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I currently own and use an Innova 3160 scan tool. I purchased this early model of the 3160 series back in 2010. It functions fine, but is very limited in what it can do. Of course it isn't used regularly.

Anyway, I'm now retired and have time to play around more with the autos and would like to have a scan tool that has much more capability. The prices in these scanners nowadays has come down quite a bit.

Can anyone here shed some light on the Zurich ZR-Pro that Harbor Freight has for sale? It has received some very impressive reviews from various folks such as hotrod.com. The ZR-Pro list for $1K, which is definitely a little high, but yet it can do so much more than the standard everyday OBD2 code readers.

Of course, there may be some here on this forum who could suggest another model that would be as good or better than the ZR-Pro and cost less. I definitely would not want to spend anymore than $1K for a scan tool.

Anyway, I'm just trying to decide if I really want (or need) a tool such as this and can somehow justify the cost. The bi-directional capability will certainly be a plus in troubleshooting an issue. Thoughts or suggestions will be appreciated!
 
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Autel is the typical answer...the 906 or 908 models can probably fit into your budget somehow.
 
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I may be wrong, but I'm "hearing" Autel likely makes the Zurich ZR-Pro for Harbor Freight. For whatever reason, the ZR-Pro is getting exceptional reviews and possibly that is because "under the hood" is an Autel unit.

Therefore, I'm looking to learn which unit has the edge and offers the most bang for the buck!
 

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What are you planning on working on? I have a Foxwell NT510, which have fairly good bi-directional controls, but you're limited to enhanced functions on only 4 makes. Most of what I work on is GM and Toyota, so it does very well for me in a VERY affordable tool (less than $200).
 
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Ford and Chrysler products for sure. But, I may also help friend in need occasionally and who knows what they might be driving.
 

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I may be wrong, but I'm "hearing" Autel likely makes the Zurich ZR-Pro for Harbor Freight. For whatever reason, the ZR-Pro is getting exceptional reviews and possibly that is because "under the hood" is an Autel unit.

Always consider the source with reviews. The one you mentioned was a freaking magazine:wtf: Probably published right next to a full page HF ad. Have you seen any unbia$$$$ed reviews for the unit?

And whilst the HF unit might be made by Autel it isn't going to be supported by them. It'll only get whatever updates and support HF feel like paying for.
 

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Tough one, I know guys who have top of the line scan tools who pull DTCs then throw parts at it and say the tool is absolute garbage

Then I know guys who have secondhand stuff, that can work miracles

Unless your working on very late model cars it's not worth getting into all the subscriptions etc

For Euro stuff Autel/Bosch and VCDS are good

If was just doing USA stuff DIY I might go used Snap On

FORscan for Fords is popular
 

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This looks like it might be worth investigating if you can find a similar deal Stateside????

I dont think it does bi-directional tests or any programming but it can do a lot of special functions
 
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Thanks everyone for all of the replies! MattT stated some very good thoughts in thread # 7.

So, I have one other question. I've done a fair amount of research on the Zurich ZR-Pro and based on the specs, it appears it will accomplish what I feel is important to me (so, I don't need to spend additional cash on anything more "powerful"). There appears to be several models of the Autel unit and it appears I will need to do more research to determine which one closely resembles the ZR-Pro. In the meantime, is there anyone on this site that can confirm which Autel model has basically the same features as the ZR-Pro?

I really don't want to spend more money than I need to and the Autel model which is nearest the ZR-Pro in specs is all that I would require.
 
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Tough one, I know guys who have top of the line scan tools who pull DTCs then throw parts at it and say the tool is absolute garbage

Then I know guys who have secondhand stuff, that can work miracles

Unless your working on very late model cars it's not worth getting into all the subscriptions etc

For Euro stuff Autel/Bosch and VCDS are good

If was just doing USA stuff DIY I might go used Snap On

FORscan for Fords is popular

Bosch are garbage I bought from my Mac Truck and my old Snap On with personality keys does way more and the Bosch unit was £2000+ so don't buy Bosch or the Mac one as its just bosch as well.
 

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Bosch are garbage I bought from my Mac Truck and my old Snap On with personality keys does way more and the Bosch unit was £2000+ so don't buy Bosch or the Mac one as its just bosch as well.

Bosch make a lot of different scan tools, they also make a lot of engine/chassis/body control systems.

I'm guessing the MAC is a KTS200??

Eric O from "south main auto" seems happy with his ADS625 (admittedly a $5000 tool)

We had a KTS650 and it was good on anything European
 

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Thanks everyone for all of the replies! MattT stated some very good thoughts in thread # 7.

So, I have one other question. I've done a fair amount of research on the Zurich ZR-Pro and based on the specs, it appears it will accomplish what I feel is important to me (so, I don't need to spend additional cash on anything more "powerful"). There appears to be several models of the Autel unit and it appears I will need to do more research to determine which one closely resembles the ZR-Pro. In the meantime, is there anyone on this site that can confirm which Autel model has basically the same features as the ZR-Pro?

I really don't want to spend more money than I need to and the Autel model which is nearest the ZR-Pro in specs is all that I would require.

I forgot to post the link sorry :lol_hitti

https://www.dealerleveldiagnosticto...0MAm5id0geHzWV7SBzptiFOTrxm9wDizwgdJ7sk_55MOI
 

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Bosch make a lot of different scan tools, they also make a lot of engine/chassis/body control systems.

I'm guessing the MAC is a KTS200??

Eric O from "south main auto" seems happy with his ADS625 (admittedly a $5000 tool)

We had a KTS650 and it was good on anything European

It was red the one I got came in a black case plus all the accessories, I wonder if its a regional market thing, I haven't seen the newer green ones.
 

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If you have a Ford vehicle, you can buy a bluetooth OBD2 transmitter (or a wired version) and download Forscan for free. Google "Forscan" and enjoy the reviews from message boards everywhere.

I run it on my laptop and record live data PIDs to view at a later time.

Nothing comes close....and it is FREE.

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Buy one and let us know! I have played with the Snap On unit and the Zurich one at HF sure seems similar.

I have a Pittsburgh code reader from HF and it's the same as the units Autel was selling at the time. I'm guessing the HF unit is made by Autel. I also have an Autel inspection camera and it appears to be the same unit as the HF models.
 

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As some have mentioned, what is a great scan tool for one car can be an expensive waste of money on another. I have an Autel DS808, which is the cheapest tool I found that would do the Electric Parking Brake on my car, needed to service the rear brakes. Of course it does lots of other things too.
 

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Something to watch with Autel's, they require you to purchase yearly maintenance/updates or the scanner will stop working. For my 906, it is ~$300/yr.

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Something to watch with Autel's, they require you to purchase yearly maintenance/updates or the scanner will stop working. For my 906, it is ~$300/yr.

DaveW

It was my understanding that for a scan tool that offered periodic updates, you did NOT have to continue with the updates if you desired not to do so. It was also my understanding the scan tool would not simply quit working when one chose not to continue with the updates and the tool would continue to function with whatever software was last installed. Of course, without the periodic updates, one would lose the ability to fix any "bugs" that were present or enhance what you currently have.

This was MY understanding! Is it true the Autel units cease to function if one chooses not to continue with the periodic paid updates?
 
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Something to watch with Autel's, they require you to purchase yearly maintenance/updates or the scanner will stop working. For my 906, it is ~$300/yr.

DaveW

That's not true. I went over a year with no updates on my 906, then bought an update package and updated to 2019. That was after my initial 1 year of updates ran out. It works just fine, obviously without coverage for cars newer than your update.
 

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Sorry for my incorrect info. I purchased mine in 2017 and the when it expired last year, I was going to try to let it go for a while due to slow winter cash flow and the messages it was giving me led me to believe it would stop working. I ended up finding the update for $300 instead of the list of $495 so I just updated and didn't risk it.

Apologies again for the bad info.

I like the tool. It does have a crazy amount of updates but if you weren't using it commercially, you probably wouldn't miss them.

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^oh, it will ***** at you, I normally tell it to "display message only once per week". I figure I buy an update every-other year or so, until it's obsolete.
 

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My autel 'free 2 yr updates' just ran out.

To be honest I'm not to concerned... the last couple updates have really jacked this thing up. I tried to hook up to a 99 tacoma the other day, the only models it offered we're non-US models. Fortunately the 'auto-decode' vin was able to find a tacoma.
 

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I have the Foxwell NT 520 and it locks up.Trying to deal with China to get it fixed or replaced has been impossible. Language is a problem and time zone is a problem and their desire to not anything is the worst. I have been dealing with them by email trying to get it fixed for several months. They keep saying to try reloading, from a very confused web site, then when that doesn't work they say try it again; over and over again. Each email takes a week to a month to be responded to assuming they don't go on holiday (really!).

One thing I should have done is buy it on amazon where I might have had a chance to get my money back.

It is under warranty but I doubt I will win this one. I regret buying it. It will probably be thrown away.
 
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I'm still looking at the Zurich ZR-Pro. It's still at $1k, but I'm hoping there may be a new years special coming up in the next dew days. I'll just have to wait and see!

In the meantime and from the best I can determine, it appears the Zurich model may be a re-branded Autel unit. If that is truly the case, I was wondering if anyone knew which of the Autel units the Zurich mimicked?

If it's the Autel MaxiSys MS906, I may just pay the extra few dollars to get the Autel unit. My reasoning is it may be easier to get warranty service through Autel ...……. that's IF I should I have a need to send it in for repairs.

Anyway, if anyone has compared the Zurich to the 906 or any other model and found the features to be very comparable, I would be very interested in your findings!
 

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I'm still looking at the Zurich ZR-Pro. It's still at $1k, but I'm hoping there may be a new years special coming up in the next dew days. I'll just have to wait and see!

In the meantime and from the best I can determine, it appears the Zurich model may be a re-branded Autel unit. If that is truly the case, I was wondering if anyone knew which of the Autel units the Zurich mimicked?

If it's the Autel MaxiSys MS906, I may just pay the extra few dollars to get the Autel unit. My reasoning is it may be easier to get warranty service through Autel ...……. that's IF I should I have a need to send it in for repairs.

Anyway, if anyone has compared the Zurich to the 906 or any other model and found the features to be very comparable, I would be very interested in your findings!

You can look up the features and functions of the autel scanners rather easily. Almost all of them do what the zurich states it will do (key fobs, bi direction, etc) and the Zurich ZR pro lists next to nothing on HFs site, so info and comparisons will be limited. Why are you set on that one, and what makes you think it's similar to the 906s?
 

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Not to hijack, but any recommendations on some for a Subaru? Just bought a 2013 Outback and having some problems.
 

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I have a 520 Pro myself that has been doing the exact same thing. It happens more on a certain vehicle, so just figured it was the truck.

***** having to start over as its also pretty slow.

I have the Foxwell NT 520 and it locks up.Trying to deal with China to get it fixed or replaced has been impossible. Language is a problem and time zone is a problem and their desire to not anything is the worst. I have been dealing with them by email trying to get it fixed for several months. They keep saying to try reloading, from a very confused web site, then when that doesn't work they say try it again; over and over again. Each email takes a week to a month to be responded to assuming they don't go on holiday (really!).

One thing I should have done is buy it on amazon where I might have had a chance to get my money back.

It is under warranty but I doubt I will win this one. I regret buying it. It will probably be thrown away.
 
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UPDATE:

After much research, I've decided to rule out the Zurich ZR-Pro I was leaning towards. I'm doing this because it will likely be difficult to get warranty service should I need it. I am basing that decision on many reviews regarding Harbor Freights warranty service on other similar devices. (that is unless one purchases HF's own extended warranty)

I now have my sights set on the Autel 906 or 908. I'm fairly certain I will be getting the Autel 906 as the 908 is probably more feature packed than I will ever need. But I do have a couple of questions for anyone that might know the answer:

I do plan to keep the unit updated. Will I do it every year OR just here and there remains to be seen. However, let's fast forward about 7 years from now. At that time let's say I'm driving a 2024 Expedition. Based on what folks have experienced in the past, if I had installed the latest update from Autel in 2026, will the 906 continue to support the 2024 Expedition with the same features that shipped with my hardware device in 2020?

And this is probable a dumb question, but do updates sometime provide additional features for a specific scan tool that weren't available to that tool previously? In other words, because of the latest update, Autel gives the 906 a feature that was previously only found on the 908 model OR the latest update might include new bi-directional capability.

Thanks!!!!
 
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Yes, sometimes new features are added. Often they are bug fixes and additional bi-directional controls. I noticed after my update auto-vin seemed to ID faster. Updates are for one year from activation, so if you activate the update today, you get 365 days worth of access to all available updates. It's not a one and done thing.


They only thing I have heard of them removing, is copyrighted logos. IIRC they got sued at one point because the logo for say, ford, was the official ford logo. Displaying the logo meant paying a royalty or something, so now it's just generic font on a colored background for each brand.

As far as I can tell, the 908 only adds programing capability (still need a subscription to the OE websites), and a bigger screen. They should all contain the same functional software and tests, just like snap-on scanners do. Below is where I got the specs.

https://www.aeswave.com/images/products/19640.jpg
 
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Thanks Scott!

Do you have any experience with the Autel 906 unit? Your various post have led me to value much of what you have to say! I was just wondering what you thought of the 906. This particular unit seems to have everything I will ever need.

Lastly, can you suggest another comparable unit from another manufacturer that is priced a little lower?

I have been searching to see if I can locate a refurbished 906. Refurbs are sometimes a good deal!
 

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Thanks Scott!

Do you have any experience with the Autel 906 unit? Your various post have led me to value much of what you have to say! I was just wondering what you thought of the 906. This particular unit seems to have everything I will ever need.

Lastly, can you suggest another comparable unit from another manufacturer that is priced a little lower?

I have been searching to see if I can locate a refurbished 906. Refurbs are sometimes a good deal!


For a vender, you may consider AESwave. They are more expensive, and you would likely have to call to order a 906 as it's not on their website. Mine was $1250 or so. They are an official US distributor with good customer service. I chose them over saving $250+ via amazon because I wanted support if I had issues. They answered lots of my questions about my 906, and helped me troubleshoot a no-communication issue with the tool on a old dodge van when I first got it. Long story short, ABS module in that van **** the bed mid test-drive. :spit: So not a issue with the tool.


According to a thread I made when I was in the market, I got the tool mid-june of 2017, so I've had it about 2.5 years. It's my main use scanner, my secondary scanner is a generation 1 snap-on Modis, it's only updated to 2009 though. The autel came with a year of free updates, and I bought another year worth in November? Anyways I'm current on software. I will attempt to keep this somewhat organized, but expect rambling. I do all the diagnostic work at my shop, and used to help out my buddies used car dealer on the side with diagnostics. So I have an idea of what I want/need in a tool.




Very quick boot up. From holding the power button to the home screen is 5 seconds? Auto VIN works very well, and when it fails it usually does so instantly and then you just hit it again and it works. Pre-2005 is slow to ID, the cars are just slow in general. I prefer to just enter the info myself. A downside is brands like hyundai/kia, which first ask car generation, then year. If I don't know the difference between an XD and GD elantra chassis, I have to click on that model, which then displays the years, and click back if it's wrong. Doesn't take long, just annoying.

Euro coverage is great. Way better than any snap-on tool I've used. Lots of Euros build their service info into the tool, which means for some codes they have fault descriptions and trouble trees in the tool under "service manual" on the codes screen. Euros seem to auto-ID very quickly, almost like the tool looks for them first. Nissan takes the longest to auto-ID. Battery lasts a long time, I charge mine monthly. The cord is only 6 foot or so, so buy an OBDII extension cable. I got another 6 foot and a 25 foot. Saves wear and tear on your cable too.

It talks to everything, and I mean everything. 70 modules in a car, all of them. The only exception is the newer Chrysler stuff with the secure gateway module. All tools but snap-on are blocked right now from full bi-directional, I'm sure autel is trying to secure the same deal snap-on has. There are work-arounds, but they're mildly involved. I'm pretty sure 100% of Mode $6 is decoded. I can't remember a time I remember it not doing so. Obviously it does all the battery resets, steering angle resets, relearns, electric parking brake, oil/service lights, etc. Can reset adaptation memory when replacing components.

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Downsides:

The pre-2000 mazdas sometimes have missing models, run them as an equivalent ford instead. Mazda Milennia=ford probe for instance. I haven't seen one in so long I haven't got to see if they fixed the bug. Millenia was the only one I can remember being fully missing.


Data lists do not save. Accidentally hit "back" from the live data screen? The data lines you selected are now gone, you have to re-select them from the full list. Annoying when ford has seemingly 250 data pids for the engine alone.

Data pid names are sometimes too long to read fully. Hitting the (I) button on live data lists the whole name though. IMO they should let you adjust the width of the columns.

Autel does nothing to pre-1996 stuff obviously. Although some of the 95 OBDII compliant stuff would probably work if manually entered as a 96 model. Some of the manufactures were ahead of schedule and just sent 95s out as OBDII compliant.




Pre-2005 the modis is competitive. It's clunkier but I prefer it for some things. The Modis seems to load quicker while the autel takes longer on the old stuff, but delivers the same information. Modis boot-up time is probably double the autel though. Modis also asks me more questions about trim packages which annoys me. It's also a lab-scope, so sometimes I'll grab that if I need to scan and get a quick wave form. The early OBDII coverage ***** on all tools, because early OBDII stuff has crappy data available. The OEMs just didn't have that much info pre-2003 or so.


Any specific issues or questions I'll try to answer if you have them. This is just off the top of my head. I'm very happy with my purchase.


EDIT: Only thing similar which might be cheaper is the Launch X431? model I believe. I read the customer support was not as good, and it was a bit less user friendly. I got to play with one once and I liked it. But I know how to use a scan tool, so maybe it's relative.
 
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Thanks again Scott! You've pretty much answered my concerns. As a matter of fact, I didn't realize you were actually using the 906 model in a shop environment. That being the case, I'm 100% positive the 906 will be more than just acceptable for me ……………… and I may likely never experience its full capability.

I'm looking at the MaxiSys MS906, not the MaxiSys MS906BT. As you're well aware, the BT model does offer a few additional options, but I'm thinking it's likely a waste of money in my case ……………. and actually the stripped down 906 is more than I probably need, but one never knows. Anyway, you may be using the BT model??

Again, thanks so very much for your time!

EDIT: I just checked the AESwave website and they do not list the MaxiSys MS906. I'm wondering if that model is being discontinued? They do list the yearly update for the 906 and it's $399. The yearly update for the 906BT is $599. I do like the pricing on the 906 updates much better!
 
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I asked AES about discontinuing the 906 before I got my update, they said they knew nothing of the sort at that time. I'd just give them a call about your needs and if they carry just the regular 906. They're an authorized dealer so I'd imagine they would. The 906 update was missing from their website at one time, mistake perhaps, thus I asked them.

I considered the BT model, but didn't like the price. I do just fine with the cord. IIRC correctly it's got a bigger battery too.


Glad I can be of help. :beer:
 

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However, let's fast forward about 7 years from now. At that time let's say I'm driving a 2024 Expedition. Based on what folks have experienced in the past, if I had installed the latest update from Autel in 2026, will the 906 continue to support the 2024 Expedition with the same features that shipped with my hardware device in 2020?

Generally speaking the scan tool manufacturer will try to keep their software updated. Whether or not they're able to do that depends on the OEM. The OEMs are only legally required to make the limited OBD-II portion accessible. All the OE level functionallity they can restrict if they wish using software and/or hardware.

The chrysler secure gateway **** Scott mentioned is one example of an OEM change which has locked out most of the aftermarket tools. So there's really no way of knowing whether any scan tool you buy today will be compatible with 2024 vehicles. Or the other potential wildcard is we might be on OBD-III by 2024..........................
 

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Anyone have feedback on the Autel AP200? I like the idea of buying car specific modules if I need them. Also like using a phone/tablet instead of proprietary tablets.
 

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It was my understanding that for a scan tool that offered periodic updates, you did NOT have to continue with the updates if you desired not to do so. It was also my understanding the scan tool would not simply quit working when one chose not to continue with the updates and the tool would continue to function with whatever software was last installed. Of course, without the periodic updates, one would lose the ability to fix any "bugs" that were present or enhance what you currently have.

This was MY understanding! Is it true the Autel units cease to function if one chooses not to continue with the periodic paid updates?

I had a autel ds708 and a 906ts both were out of warranty for over a year and still worked fine for what years it was up dated too now some matco maxme and maxgo and max flex you have to pay sub fees monthly or it turns into a code reader with generic obd2
 

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Anyone have feedback on the Autel AP200? I like the idea of buying car specific modules if I need them. Also like using a phone/tablet instead of proprietary tablets.



So Walmart started selling a version of this as the Hypertough HT200 for $50. I picked one up and am very impressed. I also have a couple of generic scanners, generic Bluetooth scanners, Rosstech, iCarsoft and an Autel MD802.

I haven’t compared line by line but seems amazingly impressive for the price. Biggest con is the mobile software, it’s really clunky and I had to download the main app and a Mercedes specific app. And it takes a ton of space on my phone.

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