Above 1200 Sq/FT Bailey's Barn Build
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Wokspaces above 1200 squarefeet.
richtersrodz
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I'm digging it!! Love the look of your new barn.
Thanks for comments from those watching, including Shoottx, Kuliwobby, and Richtersrodz. . . . I "lurk" a lot more than I comment, but I like getting ideas for my "barn" workshop from GJ!
As promised, siding was going up at Bailey's Barn today. The "interior" walls are 1X10" shiplap; finished on one side and rough on the other. The crew was really happy to be nailing something instead of bolting and screwing. These walls will get a covering of solid foam insulation, Typar wrap, and then boards and battens. It's a ways from being finished so for those interested, I'll include occasional progress pictures. Here are a couple from today:
As promised, siding was going up at Bailey's Barn today. The "interior" walls are 1X10" shiplap; finished on one side and rough on the other. The crew was really happy to be nailing something instead of bolting and screwing. These walls will get a covering of solid foam insulation, Typar wrap, and then boards and battens. It's a ways from being finished so for those interested, I'll include occasional progress pictures. Here are a couple from today:
clcartwr
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Looking really nice! I've been looking really long and hard at some of the barn kits also. Just don't know if I can justify the cost to the wife over the price of just a regular pole barn....
Coyote Red
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I'm watching too. Those last two pics are really nice. You're a lucky dog Bailey!
"We" knocked off early today -- Friday, payday, and all that. But, a few more 1X10's made it to the walls. A few more girts were required on this end, as well. They framed in for a future door to a deck, we hope. . . .
Hey Coyote, clcartwr, I've been sorta poor-mouthing the workshop with my wife -- and telling her she does NOT want to visit GJ, so she wouldn't find out anything different. Don't let on to her how well things are going!
Hey Coyote, clcartwr, I've been sorta poor-mouthing the workshop with my wife -- and telling her she does NOT want to visit GJ, so she wouldn't find out anything different. Don't let on to her how well things are going!
1LOMARO
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Beautiful building you have going on there... Always nice to see a somewhat local guy building a beautiful place.
That thing looks so cool on the inside, I'd hate to cover it up with insulation.
Well, actually, NUTTSGT, the insulation will be on the OUTside of the 1X10's that are being put up and that will be followed by board and batten on the exterior walls. The inside will look pretty much like it does from the inside, now. I agree, it looks pretty nice.
The crew got the siding on the second gable end and one side wall of the top floor completed today -- save a little trim work here and there:
I was amused by the location of the tool belts when the crew chief said, "Time for lunch." My photo doesn't do it justice, but five belts were dropped right where they stood. Two of them that I thought I had captured, but didn't, are under the saw horses; the fifth must be upstairs.
The crew got the siding on the second gable end and one side wall of the top floor completed today -- save a little trim work here and there:
I was amused by the location of the tool belts when the crew chief said, "Time for lunch." My photo doesn't do it justice, but five belts were dropped right where they stood. Two of them that I thought I had captured, but didn't, are under the saw horses; the fifth must be upstairs.
hunter1151
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Thanks for comments from those watching, including Shoottx, Kuliwobby, and Richtersrodz. . . . I "lurk" a lot more than I comment, but I like getting ideas for my "barn" workshop from GJ!
As promised, siding was going up at Bailey's Barn today. The "interior" walls are 1X10" shiplap; finished on one side and rough on the other. The crew was really happy to be nailing something instead of bolting and screwing. These walls will get a covering of solid foam insulation, Typar wrap, and then boards and battens. It's a ways from being finished so for those interested, I'll include occasional progress pictures. Here are a couple from today:
That inside shot is just killer...........and you say you will be able to maintain that look?? I don't see how this will be done.
Hunter et al., the wall is composed of multiple layers. From inside to outside, first are the posts (mostly 6X6), then the horizontal girts (2X6), then the 1X10 shiplap is nailed to the girts, then a layer of Typar, then a 4-inch thick solid foam insulation board with OSB toward the outside, then 1X10 boards (rough cut), followed by 1X3 rough cut battens. So, you'll see the posts, girts and finished side of the shiplap from the inside. From the outside, you'll see the boards and battens. That seems like a lot of lumber and labor, but I feel that the finished product will be more than satisfactory.
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NASMAN
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Happy to see that I am not the only one willing to go to the extra effort to have the framework show . We are not insulating ours but otherwise the process is very similar.
Keep the details and the pictures coming. Really looking great.
Keep the details and the pictures coming. Really looking great.
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Dang, 4" insulation, OSB, 2x10 that is 6" thickness, the building will be more like a thermos than a building. It should be really comfortable on the inside.
Well, Shoottx, it doesn't get very cold in SC, but it does get HOT. I hope the insulation will help out some. . . .
I left the crew working this morning and when I got back this evening they had just about finished the "siding" on half of the roof area! I think I might have offset alternate pieces of siding to make the full length, but there really won't be much need for structural strength at the top of the roof that isn't already taken care of by the rafters and purlins -- I hope!?!
An inside view shows the "finished" ceiling and walls. Note the extended shiplap for the loft in the upper left corner of picture. The barn plans don't call for that, but the loft is to be an "isolated" room with kitchenette, bath, etc.
I left the crew working this morning and when I got back this evening they had just about finished the "siding" on half of the roof area! I think I might have offset alternate pieces of siding to make the full length, but there really won't be much need for structural strength at the top of the roof that isn't already taken care of by the rafters and purlins -- I hope!?!
An inside view shows the "finished" ceiling and walls. Note the extended shiplap for the loft in the upper left corner of picture. The barn plans don't call for that, but the loft is to be an "isolated" room with kitchenette, bath, etc.
By the way, Nasman, I've been perusing your posts on this forum. I'd say I'm building something like a barn whereas you are doing some pretty nice cabinetry! I like your idea of including shelves on the girts. I've tried to figure how to take advantage of those heavy pieces of lumber. I'm looking at fold-up/down workbenches within each "bay" -- nothing heavy duty, just somewhere to leave parts and tools while working on a car or project. I'll continue to review your site for ideas. Thanks!
Coyote Red
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Do you plan to sheetrock the vertical surfaces between posts?
Thanks hpw, that's correct: I don't intend to put drywall on the surface between the posts. There IS one likely exception: we'll use drywall on the bathroom and stairway for the loft and possibly for the interior loft wall that would be in the middle of the barn (if we run out of shiplap)!
Oh, and I need to make a correction -- the exterior board and batten has 1X10 rough cut boards, not 2X10. I'll fix that in the earlier post.
Oh, and I need to make a correction -- the exterior board and batten has 1X10 rough cut boards, not 2X10. I'll fix that in the earlier post.
Finished up the "left" side of the roof sheathing and started on the longer, right side today. Hope to see them finish this work tomorrow and maybe start on insulation. There are still a few loose ends, but the crew chief says they would be good to work on should a passing shower come our way!
Coyote Red
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So does power get sandwiched with the insulation or get run on the surface or something else?
Jwestercamp
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Looks great!
Thanks J.
Coyote, I wish you hadn't asked that question because it is one that I've been pondering for some time. Many similar barns used conduit to run the electrical -- usually very clean, straight lines; parallel or 90 degree; smooth cuvres where needed; etc. However, the wife was opposed to seeing wires, ducting, pipes, etc., at the beginnig. She may be softening a bit having seen some well-done conduit. For the moment, I'm thinking run as much of the utilities under the loft as possible -- the loft bathroom and kitchenette will be near the section of the garage that I plan as a mechanical room downstairs (electrical box, water heater, etc.), so that should help. If the bottom of the loft is insulated and covered, the wiring, piping, and such would be hidden.
Maybe I should have mentioned this earlier. I'm trying to come up with a means of keeping wiring out of sight as much as possible. One idea I had was to run a 1X6 horizontally somewhat above workbench height all the way around the walls, nailed to the posts; maybe even at the height of one of the girts. Then the electrical cable could be attached to the backside of the 1X6, outlets (maybe even switches) could be turned horizontally and easily fit into the 1X6 footprint, and everything would be out of sight unless you almost stuck your head against the wall.
But, I'm open to suggestions. We intend to walk through the barn soon with the electrician to get some ideas from him and make sure we stay within code. What do you suggest?!
Coyote, I wish you hadn't asked that question because it is one that I've been pondering for some time. Many similar barns used conduit to run the electrical -- usually very clean, straight lines; parallel or 90 degree; smooth cuvres where needed; etc. However, the wife was opposed to seeing wires, ducting, pipes, etc., at the beginnig. She may be softening a bit having seen some well-done conduit. For the moment, I'm thinking run as much of the utilities under the loft as possible -- the loft bathroom and kitchenette will be near the section of the garage that I plan as a mechanical room downstairs (electrical box, water heater, etc.), so that should help. If the bottom of the loft is insulated and covered, the wiring, piping, and such would be hidden.
Maybe I should have mentioned this earlier. I'm trying to come up with a means of keeping wiring out of sight as much as possible. One idea I had was to run a 1X6 horizontally somewhat above workbench height all the way around the walls, nailed to the posts; maybe even at the height of one of the girts. Then the electrical cable could be attached to the backside of the 1X6, outlets (maybe even switches) could be turned horizontally and easily fit into the 1X6 footprint, and everything would be out of sight unless you almost stuck your head against the wall.
But, I'm open to suggestions. We intend to walk through the barn soon with the electrician to get some ideas from him and make sure we stay within code. What do you suggest?!
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Coyote Red
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The wife doesn't like the conduit look? Hmmm. Do you?
NASMAN
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Interesting. I have been planning to use conduit, neatly installed and exposed, in mine. But might change my mind if you come up with a better idea. I also think it depends on the style of lighting and fixtures that you intent to use. I hope to have old fashion barn type lighting, hanging shades etc.
Began the insulation process on roofs today with reflective layers sandwiching thin foam. Also started work on stairway. . . .
With the two windows cut and a couple of long boards, it looks like the barn is "snaggle-toothed". They did a little dental work today, too.
NASMAN, Haven't figured the approach to hiding wiring, but saw other sites on Internet suggesting a V-groove cut with thin saw blade set at 45 degrees. The triangular piece cut out has the point removed then it is replaced over the wire running in the groove! May be a possibility. Of course, a number of suggestions for routing a run for the wire prior to construction -- oops, that's too late for me. Still figuring what to do.
With the two windows cut and a couple of long boards, it looks like the barn is "snaggle-toothed". They did a little dental work today, too.
NASMAN, Haven't figured the approach to hiding wiring, but saw other sites on Internet suggesting a V-groove cut with thin saw blade set at 45 degrees. The triangular piece cut out has the point removed then it is replaced over the wire running in the groove! May be a possibility. Of course, a number of suggestions for routing a run for the wire prior to construction -- oops, that's too late for me. Still figuring what to do.
Coyote Red
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At this point I think you're best bet is to go surface mount. If it were my place I would use rigid galv steel for everything but I wouldn't leave it natural I'd choose an attractive color and paint everything. Maybe the same color as the plate covers you choose? But whatever. And if you nick some paint during install - no big deal - just touch it up.
Wow, the inside of the workshop is taking shape, now! Got the stairs roughed in. That wasn't easy. My story is that you build a house around stairways and bathrooms. Everything else is easy. Come to find out, the bathroom just may conflict with the stairs! We chose the far right corner for the water and septic connections; guess where the stairway is!? I had wanted all that in one "stall" to keep from using up floorspace elsewhere. I just didn't think about the utilities coming into the barn right where the landing support needed to be. . . .
With easy access to the loft, here is a picture from there:
Notice that a "future" door is already framed for exit to a "future" deck. We tried to "center" it between the stairway and post, so it's off center on the whole wall.
The wall at the other end is being designed to house a rather large window. That should give a good view of any cars below as well as the hammer truss.
I'm still working on wiring, Coyote. I think the wife is coming around to using conduit NEATLY installed. Now, I'm not sure that I'm there.
With easy access to the loft, here is a picture from there:
Notice that a "future" door is already framed for exit to a "future" deck. We tried to "center" it between the stairway and post, so it's off center on the whole wall.
The wall at the other end is being designed to house a rather large window. That should give a good view of any cars below as well as the hammer truss.
I'm still working on wiring, Coyote. I think the wife is coming around to using conduit NEATLY installed. Now, I'm not sure that I'm there.
Coyote Red
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Can't say I have any experience actually installing it, but I've seen pictures of really attractive systems. Seems to me it's something a DIYer could tackle too. Whatever the case this building is going to be very cool with all the gleaming wood.
I was watching HGTV last night
, but did learn that plastic cover plates shouldn't be used on exposed steel electrical boxes. So FIY if you do end up going that route.
I was watching HGTV last night
, but did learn that plastic cover plates shouldn't be used on exposed steel electrical boxes. So FIY if you do end up going that route.Started putting on the styrofoam insulation -- snow in August!?
These are a little like SIP panels (well, since "SIP" means structural insulated panels, "SIP panels" is a bit redundant, but. . . ). However, they are missing the OSB on one side. Six inches of foam on roof, four inches on walls. Cutting the panels creates quite a storm of "snow". Since each panel is 32 sq ft, progress is pretty rapid.
Oops, still have that snaggle tooth look. Maybe we'll pull some teeth tomorrow.
These are a little like SIP panels (well, since "SIP" means structural insulated panels, "SIP panels" is a bit redundant, but. . . ). However, they are missing the OSB on one side. Six inches of foam on roof, four inches on walls. Cutting the panels creates quite a storm of "snow". Since each panel is 32 sq ft, progress is pretty rapid.
Oops, still have that snaggle tooth look. Maybe we'll pull some teeth tomorrow.
We made some progress last week, but we seemed to run into a couple of issues. Got most of the insulation panels on the walls and roof:
Even started some of the Typar/housewrap.
Problem was, we ran out of roof panels and furring strips. Seems there were TWO sets of "final" drawings -- one sent AFTER we started work, so the builder had the earlier one. That drawing showed roof insulation panels on the open lean-to. While that seemed a bit of a waste, maybe it would help keep the same roofline, or help with shingle life, or make it easy to enclose the lean-to in the future (if desired). Supplier has been responsive to the problem and has PO out for a few more panels. Naturally, the later drawings showed the panels stopping at the lean-to, BUT there was no reference to that in the revision history -- oh well.
We also had the electrician followed by local lighting salesman look at the barn. You guys have been saying you can't have too much light or too many outlets. Apparently, the lighting salesman has bought into that; he has recommended 2 or 3 times as many lights as the electrician. I'm thinking we might compromise and put the wiring in for all the lights, but purchase the fixtures in stages!?!?!
The crew hopes to finish the workshop exterior plus loft decking/flooring by the end of next week -- IF the insulation panels arrive. . . . Maybe we'll cook up some 'burgers for the guys!
Even started some of the Typar/housewrap.
Problem was, we ran out of roof panels and furring strips. Seems there were TWO sets of "final" drawings -- one sent AFTER we started work, so the builder had the earlier one. That drawing showed roof insulation panels on the open lean-to. While that seemed a bit of a waste, maybe it would help keep the same roofline, or help with shingle life, or make it easy to enclose the lean-to in the future (if desired). Supplier has been responsive to the problem and has PO out for a few more panels. Naturally, the later drawings showed the panels stopping at the lean-to, BUT there was no reference to that in the revision history -- oh well.
We also had the electrician followed by local lighting salesman look at the barn. You guys have been saying you can't have too much light or too many outlets. Apparently, the lighting salesman has bought into that; he has recommended 2 or 3 times as many lights as the electrician. I'm thinking we might compromise and put the wiring in for all the lights, but purchase the fixtures in stages!?!?!
The crew hopes to finish the workshop exterior plus loft decking/flooring by the end of next week -- IF the insulation panels arrive. . . . Maybe we'll cook up some 'burgers for the guys!
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I've missed your build in the last few weeks. It's looking great. What did you decide on the conduit ?
Didn't get good water until 380' -- that's about 180' more than the 200' quote; that hurts the hip pocket! But the driller said I'd even have enough water to irrigate. . . .
No progress today; builder's truck broke down. But they just about finished both side wall board and batten on Tuesday. Installed the "man door"; not to Sand Creek plans, but we liked it better. Plans had the door essentially flush with the exterior wall. We inset the door; now we have the roof overhang and the inset to hide under while we look for the key in the rain! Also, the plans had hardware on outside and the door was unadorned on inside. This way we have the "Z" bracing outside and the strap hinges inside. "The Wife" says the trim needs to be larger around the door. I don't know how the builder will take that, but he understand who we need to make happy!?
By the way, NUTTSGT, the Super came up with a method he thinks will work to hide the wires behind wood strips. Nothing installed, yet; we got the estimate from the lighting company and we're only three times the fixture allotment. . . . We're on hold while we figure this out.
No progress today; builder's truck broke down. But they just about finished both side wall board and batten on Tuesday. Installed the "man door"; not to Sand Creek plans, but we liked it better. Plans had the door essentially flush with the exterior wall. We inset the door; now we have the roof overhang and the inset to hide under while we look for the key in the rain! Also, the plans had hardware on outside and the door was unadorned on inside. This way we have the "Z" bracing outside and the strap hinges inside. "The Wife" says the trim needs to be larger around the door. I don't know how the builder will take that, but he understand who we need to make happy!?
By the way, NUTTSGT, the Super came up with a method he thinks will work to hide the wires behind wood strips. Nothing installed, yet; we got the estimate from the lighting company and we're only three times the fixture allotment. . . . We're on hold while we figure this out.
Sounds like you solved the wiring problem then. . . . hopefully nobody puts a nail through a wire then.
Running wire and starting boards on gable ends!
Had the plumber, electrician, superintendent, and builder all on site with the building crew today. Lots of discussion about where wires and plumbing would run, where plumbing fixtures would be, where drywall would go, etc. Feels like we're making REAL progress now. . . .
Had the plumber, electrician, superintendent, and builder all on site with the building crew today. Lots of discussion about where wires and plumbing would run, where plumbing fixtures would be, where drywall would go, etc. Feels like we're making REAL progress now. . . .
The roofers were here today. They completed the roof in just over 3 1/2 hours! I was impressed even if the crew consisted of eight guys! The building crew is working on exterior boards as well as constructing the "mechanical room" that will house water heater, compressor, electrical panel, etc., AND stairway. Here are views of new shingles that will match the house (yep, we've had a few afternoon thundershowers and there are a few puddles here and there), completed boards on one gable end, the walls on the mechanical room half completed, and the start of a shelf in that room.
So, here are a couple of questions:
1. The shelf is intended for hot water heater and compressor. Any thoughts on putting a compressor (~30 gallon, currently) on a shelf? I wonder about vibrations and getting "sympathetic" vibrations from the wall acting like a drum head or guitar sound board! [Oh, there are a couple more 4X4" support posts for the shelf that also will be part of the stair railings -- they were not installed at the time of the photo.]
2. Any suggestions for tool/storage layout? I was asked that question today and realized that I didn't have an answer. . . . Envision a 38X48 floor plan. The "natural" areas are four "stalls" of 9X12' on each side of a 48X20' center ailse. The far corner 9X12 is the mechanical room, more or less. The door leading to that room and to the stairs to loft opens from the adjacent 9X12' stall. On the other side of the center ailse are the other four 9X12 stalls with the farthest one having a man door/entrance. Sliding doors that open to about 12' are on each end of the 20X48 ailse. At one end of the ailse will likely be a two-post lift. Check Post #1 for a schematic if this doesn't make sense!?! So, with at least four cars to take care of (maybe more), a few medium-sized tools (sand blast cabinet, 110V welder, pedestal grinder, pedestal polisher, small parts washer, ~10-drawer tool cabinet, motor stand, cherry picker, etc.), many car parts, and a few other miscellaneous tools (maybe a bench or pedestal drill press for birthday later this month!), what would be a functional arrangement. Any and all suggestions would be appreciated.
So, here are a couple of questions:
1. The shelf is intended for hot water heater and compressor. Any thoughts on putting a compressor (~30 gallon, currently) on a shelf? I wonder about vibrations and getting "sympathetic" vibrations from the wall acting like a drum head or guitar sound board! [Oh, there are a couple more 4X4" support posts for the shelf that also will be part of the stair railings -- they were not installed at the time of the photo.]
2. Any suggestions for tool/storage layout? I was asked that question today and realized that I didn't have an answer. . . . Envision a 38X48 floor plan. The "natural" areas are four "stalls" of 9X12' on each side of a 48X20' center ailse. The far corner 9X12 is the mechanical room, more or less. The door leading to that room and to the stairs to loft opens from the adjacent 9X12' stall. On the other side of the center ailse are the other four 9X12 stalls with the farthest one having a man door/entrance. Sliding doors that open to about 12' are on each end of the 20X48 ailse. At one end of the ailse will likely be a two-post lift. Check Post #1 for a schematic if this doesn't make sense!?! So, with at least four cars to take care of (maybe more), a few medium-sized tools (sand blast cabinet, 110V welder, pedestal grinder, pedestal polisher, small parts washer, ~10-drawer tool cabinet, motor stand, cherry picker, etc.), many car parts, and a few other miscellaneous tools (maybe a bench or pedestal drill press for birthday later this month!), what would be a functional arrangement. Any and all suggestions would be appreciated.
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Work continues on workshop, but it's less apparent -- some finishing touches, although the crew seems to take forever to finish! Putting up fascia, board and batten, barn doors, etc.
Enough lumber remaining that I've decided to make the interior doors -- one to mechanical room, one for stairway, and one for bath. Finished one and had help from the wife this evening to get another well on its way!
Still looking for advice on organizing the garage -- see post from 9/5/12!
Enough lumber remaining that I've decided to make the interior doors -- one to mechanical room, one for stairway, and one for bath. Finished one and had help from the wife this evening to get another well on its way!
Still looking for advice on organizing the garage -- see post from 9/5/12!
Looks like the outside of the workshop/barn is just about complete except the last few rows of shingles. We were short a few panels of insulation for the roof, so shingles could not be applied all the way to the top at first! Got the panels installed later.
The roofers were there to finish up this morning, but with about 2" of rain falling they decided to avoid climbing on the 12/10 pitch roof. Instead, Carlos, Justino, and Luna helped me to decide where to put the clock I got from my daughter for my birthday. If you can't tell, it's a 1960's era Oldsmobile wheel cover!
The roofers were there to finish up this morning, but with about 2" of rain falling they decided to avoid climbing on the 12/10 pitch roof. Instead, Carlos, Justino, and Luna helped me to decide where to put the clock I got from my daughter for my birthday. If you can't tell, it's a 1960's era Oldsmobile wheel cover!
Do you have anymore pictures of those doors you built ?