Above 1200 Sq/FT Barn Workshop build
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Wokspaces above 1200 squarefeet.
Saturday, Oct 21: Progress! At least, it feels that way.
Finished one ridgecap cover end:
And fully installed the ridge cap pieces.
Installed the lower transition pieces on one side:
And most of the pieces for the next transition.
Goal is to have all the transitions done tomorrow, and start on the pans next week after a few days of rain pass through.
Finished one ridgecap cover end:
And fully installed the ridge cap pieces.
Installed the lower transition pieces on one side:
And most of the pieces for the next transition.
Goal is to have all the transitions done tomorrow, and start on the pans next week after a few days of rain pass through.
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Blackhawks63
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Best of luck to you. God I hope you get that finished before the ice and snow fly. Your are insanely meticulous on everything. Both a strength and a curse by the looks of it. The Egyptians took less time building the pyramids. Seriously, be safe and just git r' done! We are all rooting for you. Roof will be great when finished and make you proud.Saturday, Oct 21: Progress! At least, it feels that way.
Finished one ridgecap cover end:
And fully installed the ridge cap pieces.
Installed the lower transition pieces on one side:
And most of the pieces for the next transition.
Goal is to have all the transitions done tomorrow, and start on the pans next week after a few days of rain pass through.
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matt_i
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Looking good! I am excited to see some large metal sheets up there. But I think you are wise to get all of the details correct in bending the metal, etc. Done right, done once 
I was trying to take advantage of the nice weekend to get "winter prepped" on several things...
I was trying to take advantage of the nice weekend to get "winter prepped" on several things...
And how things have turned! Rainy all day, and now no rain but wind. However, I think the bad weather will give me some time to hem all (or most) of the panels.Looking good! I am excited to see some large metal sheets up there. But I think you are wise to get all of the details correct in bending the metal, etc. Done right, done once
I was trying to take advantage of the nice weekend to get "winter prepped" on several things...
Monday, Oct 23: Horrible horrible day, rainy and cold. But, I am starting to hem my pans.
This is basically the "finished" pan. I also have a tool that will cut slotted holes if the flange doesn't align up with my 2x4 material. I have yet to make story sticks for my roof 2x4's, but will do everything on the ground to optimize/save time. I only made two pans tonight, but plan to crank them out all week. Storing them is going to be dicey, as I'm trying to keep things from getting scratched.
This is basically the "finished" pan. I also have a tool that will cut slotted holes if the flange doesn't align up with my 2x4 material. I have yet to make story sticks for my roof 2x4's, but will do everything on the ground to optimize/save time. I only made two pans tonight, but plan to crank them out all week. Storing them is going to be dicey, as I'm trying to keep things from getting scratched.
Saturday, Oct 28: Made a few pans and started the edges:
I needed to get a sense of how the process worked, and wanted to verify I cut the pans correctly. It's a good thing I did this trial run - I found out I needed to cut 1/8" off the flange as otherwise it interfered with the folded edge.
I also started hemming pans.
I needed to get a sense of how the process worked, and wanted to verify I cut the pans correctly. It's a good thing I did this trial run - I found out I needed to cut 1/8" off the flange as otherwise it interfered with the folded edge.
I also started hemming pans.
Sunday, Oct 29: Hemmed the 'A' pans:
As you can see... I am standing them vertically and am using newspaper to keep them from scratching one another. Blue painters tape indicates where I'll need to touch up the paint. The guy who made the pans did a terrible job on storage/delivery and the pans have numerous places I'll need to touch up. I'm a little upset about this, but I don't know if that's how the metal roof industry works, so I'll live with it. I bought a mfg color matched paint pen.
I'm averaging 5 minutes per pan - this includes:
Hemming
Closing up edge
Punching any extra slotted holes
As you can see... I am standing them vertically and am using newspaper to keep them from scratching one another. Blue painters tape indicates where I'll need to touch up the paint. The guy who made the pans did a terrible job on storage/delivery and the pans have numerous places I'll need to touch up. I'm a little upset about this, but I don't know if that's how the metal roof industry works, so I'll live with it. I bought a mfg color matched paint pen.
I'm averaging 5 minutes per pan - this includes:
Hemming
Closing up edge
Punching any extra slotted holes
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Friday, Nov 3: I have 1/4 of a roof! Took a day off of work... it's been raining like crazy for the past week and a half.
Built a lift of sorts to get pans up to the roof. It is a bit heavy, but gets the job done. I basically lift one pan up to the roof, lift catches on the ladder and stays in place. I then climb a ladder up carrying a pan. This way, I only have to make 1/2 of the trips up and down the ladder. I might have some help loading the lift on Saturday.
Built a lift of sorts to get pans up to the roof. It is a bit heavy, but gets the job done. I basically lift one pan up to the roof, lift catches on the ladder and stays in place. I then climb a ladder up carrying a pan. This way, I only have to make 1/2 of the trips up and down the ladder. I might have some help loading the lift on Saturday.
FTWingRiders
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Looking good! Must feel great to have one section DONE. As was said, we are all rooting for you to beat winter!
smschriefer
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Looking good! With help, you might even finish the roof this weekend. I know you can't wait until you can put ladders away. I know I prefer working on terra firma to being up high.
Saturday, Nov 4: There was threat of rain - I only got through half of the next section:
For whatever reason, the "A" section had a lot of scratching and I had to stop and touch up each pan. I'm trying to see if I can get the 12 scratched pans replaced... I also couldn't snap one pan down, it just wouldn't snap in.
I didn't have help - but that's OK. I got 20' of panel on in just a few hours before it started raining.
Finished hemming the "C" pans while it rained. Going to hem the "D"s tomorrow. My plan right now is to take off every afternoon next week and install, supposed to be clear and in the 40's (which are warmer than the 30's and snow!).
For whatever reason, the "A" section had a lot of scratching and I had to stop and touch up each pan. I'm trying to see if I can get the 12 scratched pans replaced... I also couldn't snap one pan down, it just wouldn't snap in.
I didn't have help - but that's OK. I got 20' of panel on in just a few hours before it started raining.
Finished hemming the "C" pans while it rained. Going to hem the "D"s tomorrow. My plan right now is to take off every afternoon next week and install, supposed to be clear and in the 40's (which are warmer than the 30's and snow!).
Blackhawks63
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Screw fixing the scratches on a roof! Get the dang roof done before the ice and snow flies. You don't have time to be a perfectionist at this stage. Go baby go!!!
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I have 5 hours left of work to install pans (takes 5 minutes/pan, including lifting pans). The roof is clear of leaves - but that's all I really had to do.
However, I started another thread on this board because 40-some pans have scratches of one sort or another. The more prevalent scratch is one that runs the full length of the pan. I'm working with my metal guy to come to a resolution - he has enough material on hand to replace 10 pans.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/68046081@N00/albums/72157688249219741
Long-term, will these long scratches pose a problem? Specifically, this type of scratch is present on the majority:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/68046081@N00/38294824091/in/album-72157688249219741/
If I hold the pan at the right angle I can see a glint of metal (bare steel? Galvalume?), and my fingernail can be stopped by it.
I'm concerned about rust forming in the scratches, it spreading, and looking like carp in 10, 15, 20 years. At that point the color won't be in stock and to really repair it I'd have to have the whole roof replaced.
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Update:
He was able to run all new pans for me. As he was running the material, he discovered the coil stock was damaged - it wasn't his machine. Evidently he must have run some of my pans on stock he had on hand, as he wasn't sure which metal supplier they came from. I don't really care - I'm just happy he was able to make new pans for me. I'm picking them up tomorrow.
He was able to run all new pans for me. As he was running the material, he discovered the coil stock was damaged - it wasn't his machine. Evidently he must have run some of my pans on stock he had on hand, as he wasn't sure which metal supplier they came from. I don't really care - I'm just happy he was able to make new pans for me. I'm picking them up tomorrow.
smschriefer
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How are things going on the barn?
lieutenant
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Keep on keeping on. I'm following along admiring your attention to detail. Glad you got the scratched material replaced.
Update 2: Sorry for the delay - between Thanksgiving, and some other delays...
The replacement pans would not snap into the clips - I was able to install 4 long pans, and 5 short pans. I talked with my sheet metal guy once again. He ended up having to order coil stock for the replacement replacement material. It is a special color, with a minimum order to avoid a setup fee for a shorter roll. He had to talk with the mfg of his machine to find out how to adjust. The problem is, the rib that locks over the flange wasn't being rolled right - it wasn't engaging the lock.
He's remaking those pans. If all goes well, I'll be able to pick them up tomorrow afternoon.
He told me what the material was costing him - so based on the raw material cost, and I need 136 linear feet, it'll be about $272.00 in material. He bought enough to avoid a setup charge - 500 ft - since it has been a popular color for him - and prices are going up in Dec.
He hasn't asked for any additional payment, but I feel bad for him, sort of. When I do web work on the side, I would never charge my client if I screwed up (hasn't happened, ever), but I work in 1's and 0's, which only cost my time and not material. So, ugh. I'm not really rolling in cash, but what would someone in the industry do?
The replacement pans would not snap into the clips - I was able to install 4 long pans, and 5 short pans. I talked with my sheet metal guy once again. He ended up having to order coil stock for the replacement replacement material. It is a special color, with a minimum order to avoid a setup fee for a shorter roll. He had to talk with the mfg of his machine to find out how to adjust. The problem is, the rib that locks over the flange wasn't being rolled right - it wasn't engaging the lock.
He's remaking those pans. If all goes well, I'll be able to pick them up tomorrow afternoon.
He told me what the material was costing him - so based on the raw material cost, and I need 136 linear feet, it'll be about $272.00 in material. He bought enough to avoid a setup charge - 500 ft - since it has been a popular color for him - and prices are going up in Dec.
He hasn't asked for any additional payment, but I feel bad for him, sort of. When I do web work on the side, I would never charge my client if I screwed up (hasn't happened, ever), but I work in 1's and 0's, which only cost my time and not material. So, ugh. I'm not really rolling in cash, but what would someone in the industry do?
vwtom
Member
Kind of a bad situation - because the original material was flawed (that is not your fault) and the second material was not correct as it wouldn't fit right (again, not your fault).
That is a tough one, you hope he makes it right with you. I assume you'll keep doing business with him if he does. Also - if he doesn't charge you - post his business name and contact here. We can all help out by promoting the guy on social media. You don't find people who do it right everyday.
matt_i
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When I worked as a job-shop machining, if my parts were "wrong" I ate them.
Its different in industry as there could be the possibility of future business.
I would pay the guy what he asks/bills plus I would give him a tip at the end. Your call on how much. It sounds like he is being honorable and sticking with you and not simply walking away to pursue other "new business". Imo that's a good behavior and should be rewarded in some way. Also you can help promote his business to friends and coworkers.
Its different in industry as there could be the possibility of future business.
I would pay the guy what he asks/bills plus I would give him a tip at the end. Your call on how much. It sounds like he is being honorable and sticking with you and not simply walking away to pursue other "new business". Imo that's a good behavior and should be rewarded in some way. Also you can help promote his business to friends and coworkers.
dfiler2
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I would wait until the end of the project and if he has done right by you, give him a tip.
rpenterics
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making any progress with the weather we've been having?
I'm still waiting for my panels. Supposedly he is getting replacement rollers this week - going to call him tomorrow.
It's been too cold to work on the siding, temps around here have been frigid - on some of our coldest days (-5 F) the barn got down to 19 degrees F, usually is about 10 degrees warmer than outside. The past few days have been warm, but the icebox also likes to take a long time to warm up. However, warmer days are headed my way.
My hope is I can get my panels before next weekend - I'll find out tomorrow what the deal is with his machine.
Blackhawks63
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Hope that unfinished roof and exterior can withstand the elements longer than they already have. You can't scrutinize and painstakingly think about every detail. Too much hard work on your end to see an **** retentive approach to everything ruin the completed product. Less tinking, more doing my friend. [emoji3]
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OK, machine was finally fixed last Saturday. He ran off some panels today, and will finish tomorrow. Hopefully I'm not jinxing them by posting
I'm quite bummed though, we had a number of beautiful days in the past few weeks, but whatever. Worst-case scenario, with how cold it is supposed to be over the next few weeks, I'll install two panels a day after I get home.
I'm quite bummed though, we had a number of beautiful days in the past few weeks, but whatever. Worst-case scenario, with how cold it is supposed to be over the next few weeks, I'll install two panels a day after I get home.
smschriefer
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Glad to hear that you'll be back at it. On a good note, you are back to progressing on the roof and it won't be too much longer before it is done.
Deezler
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Yeah bummer that you missed last weekend, it was gorgeous out. I split some firewood outside in a t-shirt on Sunday afternoon. oh well, spring temps aren't too far away now.
You don't ever plan to move, right?
You don't ever plan to move, right?
Blackhawks63
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Just finish the exterior already. I cry looking at all your hard work rotting away in the elements like that for so long. Speed baby. No more **** retentiveness on every ****** detail. You need to get that roof and exterior buttoned up !
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