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They are nice, we just call it home or a house but when somebody asks me what type of house we have we tell them we have a polebarn house.
 

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For a long while the 'Man Cave' was the thing, now it's this, and soon the terms will be a negative connotation of where someone lives. Terms come and go as do fashions. Is Mc Mansion still a thing or a tiny house?

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I can see the practicality in these, but the complete disregard for architectural sensibilities is a bit of a shame. I also wonder what the resale market is for these (for those that care)? Based on a sample size of Garage Journal they would sell like hot cakes, but I am not sure about how well they would do with the general population.
 

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I can see the practicality in these, but the complete disregard for architectural sensibilities is a bit of a shame. I also wonder what the resale market is for these (for those that care)? Based on a sample size of Garage Journal they would sell like hot cakes, but I am not sure about how well they would do with the general population.
My brother sold his in 2 days. There are all kinds of them around me, some have been there for 30 years or so.

This one is for sale for $1.3 million, the garage is 50X100 with another unattached 50X100 outbuilding.

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This one below was built by a World Of Outlaws Sprint car racer, now a Snocross racer lives there. The driveway’s on both of those is concrete, lots of concrete, the Snocross racer’s driveway is big enough that a 53’ tractor trailer with a featherlite race trailer can drive up the driveway and turn and back into the garage
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Mine is smaller, our garage is 40X48 and our house is about 1550sqft.
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I’d be happy with one but my wife would divorce me.
 

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Michelle has vetoed any barndiniums for us. I do agree, I like having my shop space away from the living accommodations.

a 40x48 with mancave with beer fridge and 55” TV upstairs with all glass walls overlooking my toy box, 3 piece bathroom and mechanical room with compressor and boiler to infloor heat under the work area would be my dream.
 

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I’d be happy with one but my wife would divorce me.
Why? My wife wishes we had a bigger garage. I’m glad she likes cars and tools and going to car shows and races with me.
 
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I would love to have one but the garage has to have a lift, RV parking and a separate museum car parking in a glass enclosed front room so we can sit around shiny car collection.....as soon as I ever win the lottery!!!
 

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Why? My wife wishes we had a bigger garage. I’m glad she likes cars and tools and going to car shows and races with me.
My wife likes our big house. We did renovate the garage within the limits of our house lot in a small city, but if I asked her to move into a small house connected to a large garage or to move out of town just so I could have a huge garage, she would not be happy. Her life does not revolve around cars, though she likes nice cars and has mostly owned BMWs and now has a Porsche. On the other hand, I would happily trade half of our 5000 SF house for 2500 SF more garage.
 

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I can see the practicality in these, but the complete disregard for architectural sensibilities is a bit of a shame.
Yea it's usually a big box with one corner turned into living space. And usually there's no view, which is a requirement for me. I spend a lot of time looking out the window.


I also wonder what the resale market is for these (for those that care)? Based on a sample size of Garage Journal they would sell like hot cakes, but I am not sure about how well they would do with the general population.

About as well as pickup trucks with manual transmissions and window cranks. ;)

Snark aside there's been some pics of really nice barndos on this site. But I think when they get that nice, the total cost gets closer to that of a separate house and shop. When the buildings are separate you can build the house nice and the shop cheaper but still nice enough for a shop. If they're one building the quality of the house part tends to drag the shop quality and likely the expense upwards.
 

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Yea it's usually a big box with one corner turned into living space. And usually there's no view, which is a requirement for me. I spend a lot of time looking out the window.




About as well as pickup trucks with manual transmissions and window cranks. ;)

Snark aside there's been some pics of really nice barndos on this site. But I think when they get that nice, the total cost gets closer to that of a separate house and shop. When the buildings are separate you can build the house nice and the shop cheaper but still nice enough for a shop. If they're one building the quality of the house part tends to drag the shop quality and likely the expense upwards.
In Minnesota I like having our shop attached to the house, our garage tomorrow on Christmas is just another huge living room, with 25 people here it is nice having another big room.
 

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Here's one on the market near me. I think they are all so unique one from another it's hard to characterize them. study don't even have to be post frame. Can be timber frame or stick or stone.
 

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I can see the practicality in these, but the complete disregard for architectural sensibilities is a bit of a shame. I also wonder what the resale market is for these (for those that care)? Based on a sample size of Garage Journal they would sell like hot cakes, but I am not sure about how well they would do with the general population.
You can make them look like whatever you want. Fake rock exterior, real rock, and windows and doors however you want. The one building of ours with finished living quarters is as nice inside as any stick building we have lived in. Cheaper to heat and air condition, and plumbing and electrics are much more easily accessed than in most homes.

If we were moving to the country now we would have more land and be living in one of these.
 

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You can make them look like whatever you want.
They tend to be rectilinear boxes with generally low slope gable roofs. Harder to add ins and outs, mor interesting roof lines, turrets, etc. Even two stories and a basement are challenges for post frame. I appreciate those features may not appeal to you or are even negatives, but lots of people like those things. Hard to imagine a two story prairie style barndominium. I think that is what "architectural sensibilities" refers to. Luckily we have choices. Some value the appearance of a building. Others value what they can do in it. I appreciate you can probably buy more square footage in a barndominium than many other houses. And of course a renovated 100 year old barn is entirely different, yet may be called a barndominium.
 

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There absolutely are well designed barndomininiums out there, and if you do an image search of barndominiums, these examples are front and center. However, if you go drive around and see what is being built, they generally don't look like these examples.

I am not really thinking about finishes and features like stone and turrets, but more the fundamental principles of good design - things like proportion, balance, human scale, harmony with the surroundings etc. They tend to be big boxes with awkwardly pitched rooflines, a porch grafted on one corner, windows randomly sprinkled around and the front elevation dominated by enormous garage doors. I am guessing many are designed by a draftsman at a steel building fabricator who mostly designs industrial buildings.

I totally understand function over form, beauty being in the eye of the beholder, and that we should build what we like, and what brings joy. But I do wonder in a few years when these are no longer so trendy, what people will look back and think?

Anyway, each unto their own.
 

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I know it’s not for everyone, but I think the front of mine looks good. Not just a big rectangle box like one of the builders estimates I had when we built it wanted to do.


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Even this one about 5 miles from me that just sold, but not closed yet. It doesn’t look bad from the front.

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I need to get a better (lower) drone pic, but here is our 1952 home with steel buildings built in 2004 and 2015. Traditional ranch home construction was one story. Rock and metal roof are considered high end around here. Steel building to the left is climate controlled with living quarters inside.
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I know it’s not for everyone, but I think the front of mine looks good. Not just a big rectangle box like one of the builders estimates I had when we built it wanted to do.


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Even this one about 5 miles from me that just sold, but not closed yet. It doesn’t look bad from the front.

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You did a nice job on yours! The most and really only important thing is that you like it and are happy with it. It really doesn't matter what anyone else thinks, particularly some random dude on the internet ;) .
 
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Our Barndo started out to be just a weekend guest house and wood shop but after being here now for awhile we decided not to build a regular house and use this for our retirement home. My wife was originally dead set against living full time in a Barndominium but she came around! :)
 

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Up here they're growing so fast that the cities are starting to notice and will probably be regulated much more soon. People want a huge garage for their cabin stuff and these go up cheap and fast.

Unfortunately they are all pretty homely...... Yea some cool cosmetics would be costly but as far as buildings, these aren't any better looking then the cheap metal sheds that used to be everywhere.
 

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Perfect place for us for the past 23 years. Paid someone to put up building shell, I did all interior walls, electric, plumbing, etc. which saved $$$. 10,000 sq. ft. under roof, 2,800 sq. ft. 3 bedroom 3 bathroom house.1735150458360.jpeg

Very nice. A buddy of mine has one kinda like yours but he has a folding hanger door for his airplane and a runway in his pasture.


I need to get a better (lower) drone pic, but here is our 1952 home with steel buildings built in 2004 and 2015. Traditional ranch home construction was one story. Rock and metal roof are considered high end around here. Steel building to the left is climate controlled with living quarters inside.
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Very nice also, looks a lot bigger than I would want but very nice.
 

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I can see the practicality in these, but the complete disregard for architectural sensibilities is a bit of a shame. I also wonder what the resale market is for these (for those that care)? Based on a sample size of Garage Journal they would sell like hot cakes, but I am not sure about how well they would do with the general population.
Mine sold pretty quickly for a lot more than I had in it.
 

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We built ours 11 years ago. Since then 3 more like our has been built because of seeing and visiting ours.

Super safe, quiet, and clean up is easy. We opted for stained concrete through out.

As we age, no issues with stairs.
 

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My brother sold his in 2 days. There are all kinds of them around me, some have been there for 30 years or so.

This one is for sale for $1.3 million, the garage is 50X100 with another unattached 50X100 outbuilding.

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This one below was built by a World Of Outlaws Sprint car racer, now a Snocross racer lives there. The driveway’s on both of those is concrete, lots of concrete, the Snocross racer’s driveway is big enough that a 53’ tractor trailer with a featherlite race trailer can drive up the driveway and turn and back into the garage

Mine is smaller, our garage is 40X48 and our house is about 1550sqft.
Place I bought had been on the market going on 4 months, when regular places sold in days. I sold my old house, a standard 3 bed, 2 bath, 2 car garage before it was listed for over asking and they paid all fees, closing, etc.

I paid $50k less than they were originally asking plus they paid all fees and closing costs.
Most folks aren't interested in living in a shed, and neither am I. It's just temporary till I save enough to build a house.

Definitely detached too. An attached shop means smells and dust getting in the house, plus if a fire would happen, very likely you'd lose everything.
 
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I need to get a better (lower) drone pic, but here is our 1952 home with steel buildings built in 2004 and 2015. Traditional ranch home construction was one story. Rock and metal roof are considered high end around here. Steel building to the left is climate controlled with living quarters inside.
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I'd go broke just from all that concrete! Just for a 900 sq ft apron I was quoted $14,000. With me doing the dirt work.
 

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Since I built my new garage and shop building a few years ago, which was stick framed but on a slab with pole barn steel siding and roofing, with spray foam insulation, my wife has been talking about "If we ever build another new house, we should build it like the shop/garage since it is so easy to heat and cool." So I think that a barndominium would be a good possibility--if I ever built again (I'm 76 and not considering it a very likely prospect, but you never know).
We would do it because of reasonable construction cost, good energy efficiency, and low maintenance exterior.
 

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I'd go broke just from all that concrete! Just for a 900 sq ft apron I was quoted $14,000. With me doing the dirt work.
You can’t see it in that pic but the driveway goes out 100 yards past that apron. All done in 2004. It was big $$$ then - can’t imagine it now. The last few years we were working we did the metal roof, new windows, and the concrete. Shooting for stuff we would never have to re-do.
 

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I can see that - they are quite trendy at the moment (as is evident by the NYT article). I guess my question was more hypothetical, what happens in 10 years when they aren't so trendy? You do seem to see this ebb and flow - for example the 'modern farmhouse' that was all the rage in the 10's is now a bit past it's prime: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/07/realestate/modern-farmhouse-suburbs.html
I always find this argument irrelevant, at least to us. Our home is for living in. Resale value or desirability isn’t a factor for us. We moved into our current home planning to stay until the end (28 years and so far, so good). I realize that not everyone can do that, but I also suspect it’s not uncommon. The drivers of making decisions are completely different than if you are always looking ahead to the sale.
 

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Wife and I are looking at land right now. We would like a Shouse. I talked to a GC friend about building us a big pole barn 900-1200 sq ft living quarter garage in the middle and shop on the other end. we want to downsize and simplify our life. We are going to talk to a realtor very soon.
 
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Here are some interior pictures of the apartment we have in one of our red iron buildings. Other than the suspended ceiling, you can’t tell that it’s not traditional stick construction. Because the entire building is insulated, it’s very inexpensive to heat and cool. Also one floor so we can move out here if stairs and mobility become an issue.IMG_1021.jpegIMG_1024.jpeg
 

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I always find this argument irrelevant, at least to us. Our home is for living in. Resale value or desirability isn’t a factor for us. We moved into our current home planning to stay until the end (28 years and so far, so good). I realize that not everyone can do that, but I also suspect it’s not uncommon. The drivers of making decisions are completely different than if you are always looking ahead to the sale.
That was our thought as well when we built ours, my brother said it is going to be very hard to sell a 2 bedroom house that we should make it three bedrooms and bigger footprint, I told him I don’t care, we are staying here until the end.

Then I asked the builder what he thought about resale on our house, if we were nuts just having 2 bedrooms, he said do you know how many single guys would love a small house worth a huge garage.

We also did handicap width doors and we have no steps at all, just a threshold from garage into the house.
 

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Many years ago I had a basement shop for woodworking in a house that I rented. I remember dust control being an issue that made its way into the main house upstairs both via foot traffic carry up the steps and via the HVAC system.

I much prefer having my shop detached from the house for that as well as noise and smell reasons.

I also wonder how the square footage is addressed on taxes I’m sure some of you that have had these can tell us about that.
 

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Here are some interior pictures of the apartment we have in one of our red iron buildings. Other than the suspended ceiling, you can’t tell that it’s not traditional stick construction. Because the entire building is insulated, it’s very inexpensive to heat and cool. Also one floor so we can move out here if stairs and mobility become an issue.IMG_1021.jpegIMG_1024.jpeg
That's what I did in mine, 1140sf two bedroom apartment, conventional 2x4 framing with 2x6 ceiling joists, sheetrock everywhere. inside a red iron building. I did acid stained concrete for the floors, but if I had stayed, I was looking at vinyl plank or engineered hardwood. Double insulated as the frame was insulated when erected, and the 2x4 walls were insulated when I built the apartment. Very quiet and very economical. I had no problem recouping my out-of-pocket costs plus labor when I sold. 30x80x10 building, a little more shop than apartment.
 

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I also wonder how the square footage is addressed on taxes I’m sure some of you that have had these can tell us about that.
If you look at the picture of our buildings the two red steel ones are taxed identically. One has electric and water (no septic) and is a work shop. The other is climate controlled and fully finished inside with its own septic system. Here the tax man can’t come onto the property without permission so they make their best guess. YMMV.

We had a whole thread about tax appraisals recently. I’ll see if I can find it.

Here it is: https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/threads/1000sqft-retirement-tax-accessor.540939/
 
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