My inclination after a quick review of the Wera Multi ratchets is to buy the Wera Ratcheting Screwdriver (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001HSNHM2/?tag=atomicindus08-20), and buy a separate 3/8" used Snap-on Ratchet. However, I'm open to more thoughts/opinions.
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My inclination after a quick review of the Wera Multi ratchets is to buy the Wera Ratcheting Screwdriver (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001HSNHM2/?tag=atomicindus08-20), and buy a separate 3/8" used Snap-on Ratchet. However, I'm open to more thoughts/opinions.
shoturtle
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bondus are nice, but the wiha are more finely machined. I use torx and hex bits allot. The bondus are good, but the wiha are better. But unless you are doing very fine work, you will not need the more exacting tooling of the bits. Bondus are as good as the wera imho, just a bit behind the wiha.
shoturtle
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There are allot of options out there. I just find the zykop has replace my need for some angle ratchet I uses to own.
But I would still get the screw driver, ratcheting or the bit hold one. They are lighter and smaller when you need to get into tighter areas.
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shoturtle
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Love the ball end, they make tight angle work allot easier. To me the ball end is worth the extra money. Just use the solid end to break the screw, and spin it off with the ball end. They even have ball end torx 
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Love the ball end, they make tight angle work allot easier. To me the ball end is worth the extra money. Just use the solid end to break the screw, and spin it off with the ball end. They even have ball end torx
Does the Bondus set have the ball ends? I can't tell from the Amazon website.
shoturtle
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Bondus only have regular head on their T handle, with a long shaft. You can actually break the ball off. That is why the Wiha T handle has the short nub with a solid hex, and the ball end on the long shaft.
I know that a motorcycle tool company has a T with the ball on the long end and a solid on the short, but it does not have a comfort handle.
I know that a motorcycle tool company has a T with the ball on the long end and a solid on the short, but it does not have a comfort handle.
shoturtle
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This is the set form the motorcycle tool company motion pro. It is limiting with only 4 metric for 46 dollars.
http://www.primotonyc.com/collectio...products/motion-pro-ball-end-hex-t-handle-set
http://www.primotonyc.com/collectio...products/motion-pro-ball-end-hex-t-handle-set
I'm trying to narrow it down. My revised list:
1) Fastcap PMMR-TRUE32 PMMR True32 5m, Metric/Metric Reverse measuring tape: $8.53, http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000GFHABG/?tag=atomicindus08-20
2) Wiha 33496 8-Piece Soft Grip T-Handle Ball End Hex Metric, $36.18, http://www.amazon.com/dp/B002S0O9MK/?tag=atomicindus08-20
3) Wera KK 25 7-In-1 Bitholding Screwdriver with Removable Bayonet Blade (SL/PH), $34.25, http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001HSNHM2/?tag=atomicindus08-20
4) J.H. Williams CDI Pro Torq Bicycle Tool, $25.05, http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004XG5YIA/?tag=atomicindus08-20
5) Two NWS cutters/pliers from http://www.german-hand-tools.com/index.html, 138-69-200 and 1406-69-200
6) Used Snap-On 3/8” ratchet. Prefer the one with a grip, unsure about flex-head.
7) Misc. Wera or Wiha tips and sockets as needed.
8) 48” Level (Empire?) from Home Depot.
1) Fastcap PMMR-TRUE32 PMMR True32 5m, Metric/Metric Reverse measuring tape: $8.53, http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000GFHABG/?tag=atomicindus08-20
2) Wiha 33496 8-Piece Soft Grip T-Handle Ball End Hex Metric, $36.18, http://www.amazon.com/dp/B002S0O9MK/?tag=atomicindus08-20
3) Wera KK 25 7-In-1 Bitholding Screwdriver with Removable Bayonet Blade (SL/PH), $34.25, http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001HSNHM2/?tag=atomicindus08-20
4) J.H. Williams CDI Pro Torq Bicycle Tool, $25.05, http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004XG5YIA/?tag=atomicindus08-20
5) Two NWS cutters/pliers from http://www.german-hand-tools.com/index.html, 138-69-200 and 1406-69-200
6) Used Snap-On 3/8” ratchet. Prefer the one with a grip, unsure about flex-head.
7) Misc. Wera or Wiha tips and sockets as needed.
8) 48” Level (Empire?) from Home Depot.
shoturtle
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on the nws, if you need to work on electric or electric, the eds or vde version would be a saver bet. EDS will not shock a circuit board, the vde will not zap you. If you do not work on anything like computers or electric, the regular one would be really nice to have.
OMG! I just went through my took chest. OMG! I had no idea what I had in there. I guess more important than needing tools is way to store and organize my tools. Now I really need help with tool storage and organization. Suggestions please.
Here is what I have:
6 & 8" Crescents
Klein Needle-nose pliers
Curved needle-nose pliers
Klein wire stripper
Sears emperial open end wrench set: 1/4 - 3/4"
Sears Combo metric wrenches: 7, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14
Klein 7/16" socket screwdriver
1/4" socket screwdriver
3/64" screwdriver
Assorted phillips and flathead screwdrivers
3/8" ratchet - unknown brand
3/8" ratchet extention
3/8 to 1/4" socket adapter
Feeler gauges
Emperial allen wrenches
My metric allen wrench set is very sparse - probably all over the house
See photos:
Here is what I have:
6 & 8" Crescents
Klein Needle-nose pliers
Curved needle-nose pliers
Klein wire stripper
Sears emperial open end wrench set: 1/4 - 3/4"
Sears Combo metric wrenches: 7, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14
Klein 7/16" socket screwdriver
1/4" socket screwdriver
3/64" screwdriver
Assorted phillips and flathead screwdrivers
3/8" ratchet - unknown brand
3/8" ratchet extention
3/8 to 1/4" socket adapter
Feeler gauges
Emperial allen wrenches
My metric allen wrench set is very sparse - probably all over the house
See photos:
e30bradley
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you need bike specific cable / housing cutting. You can't use normal wire cutters. Get these:http://www.amazon.com/dp/B002QJMFLK/?tag=atomicindus08-20
amazon has em for about 15 bucks cheaper than in stores and other places online. I love all my park tools.
amazon has em for about 15 bucks cheaper than in stores and other places online. I love all my park tools.
Given the above, maybe I don't need the Snap-on ratchet - at least for now. Nor do I need needle-nose pliers.
So, new list:
1) Fastcap PMMR-TRUE32 PMMR True32 5m, Metric/Metric Reverse measuring tape: $8.53, http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000GFHABG/?tag=atomicindus08-20
2) Wiha 33496 8-Piece Soft Grip T-Handle Ball End Hex Metric, $36.18, http://www.amazon.com/dp/B002S0O9MK/?tag=atomicindus08-20
3) Wera KK 25 7-In-1 Bitholding Screwdriver with Removable Bayonet Blade (SL/PH), $34.25, http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001HSNHM2/?tag=atomicindus08-20
4) J.H. Williams CDI Pro Torq Bicycle Tool, $25.05, http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004XG5YIA/?tag=atomicindus08-20
5) Two NWS cutters/pliers from http://www.german-hand-tools.com/index.html, 138-69-200 and 1406-69-200. With my currently needle-nose pliers, are the 1406 ones redundant?
6) Misc. Wera or Wiha tips and sockets as needed to fill in the gaps in my collection.
7) A holder for sockets/and labels big enough to read (my near eyesight isn’t too good). Suggestions?
8) A good tool chest that fits on a somewhat narrow garage shelf (limited space).
9) 48” Level (Empire?) from Home Depot.
So, new list:
1) Fastcap PMMR-TRUE32 PMMR True32 5m, Metric/Metric Reverse measuring tape: $8.53, http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000GFHABG/?tag=atomicindus08-20
2) Wiha 33496 8-Piece Soft Grip T-Handle Ball End Hex Metric, $36.18, http://www.amazon.com/dp/B002S0O9MK/?tag=atomicindus08-20
3) Wera KK 25 7-In-1 Bitholding Screwdriver with Removable Bayonet Blade (SL/PH), $34.25, http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001HSNHM2/?tag=atomicindus08-20
4) J.H. Williams CDI Pro Torq Bicycle Tool, $25.05, http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004XG5YIA/?tag=atomicindus08-20
5) Two NWS cutters/pliers from http://www.german-hand-tools.com/index.html, 138-69-200 and 1406-69-200. With my currently needle-nose pliers, are the 1406 ones redundant?
6) Misc. Wera or Wiha tips and sockets as needed to fill in the gaps in my collection.
7) A holder for sockets/and labels big enough to read (my near eyesight isn’t too good). Suggestions?
8) A good tool chest that fits on a somewhat narrow garage shelf (limited space).
9) 48” Level (Empire?) from Home Depot.
Would these also work?
http://chadstoolbox.com/nws-138-69-200-heavy-duty-lever-side-cutter-180-mm.aspx
Eh.. would it cut it? Sure. But not exactly the way you want it to. I'd also recommend those Park cutters. They're specifically for things like Bowden cables. Knipex also makes a similar unit, if you're looking at that company as well.
http://www.knipex.com/index.php?id=1216&L=1&page=group_detail&parentID=1371&groupID=1437
Interesting. Would I be able to use these cutters for other applications as well? Could I use them in lieu of the KWS Fantasico Cutters (http://chadstoolbox.com/nws-138-69-200-heavy-duty-lever-side-cutter-180-mm.aspx)?
Opinions on this Kobalt tool chest: http://www.lowes.com/ProductDisplay...gId=10051&cmRelshp=req&rel=nofollow&cId=PDIO1
Non-owner opinion: It's a decent box. I've messed around with one in the store (or a similar model), and it seems okay for a home-user. Pretty light gauge IIRC, but if you're just looking for a little box for home, it should work fine. I get around with a few craftsman bb units, one roller and a 5 drawer top. I don't think I'll ever need more than that.
You can read the reviews on the website you linked to as well for a better idea (since they've actually used it!) Seems like they took away the liners in the picture, so you might have to buy them seperately (30-50$?)
Here's my take: If you're cutting Bowden Cables or other linear cables with coverings similar to that, you'll practically need the specialized tool to get the job done properly, every time. It's like trying to cut thicker cables with dykes alone, you really need the specific shears to cut them. What are you going to be doing with the cutters? If you only need to use them a few times, you might be better off trying to go to a local bike shop and asking to use theirs. You might be able to get away with that. If you'll need to use them all the time (forgive me, I haven't read into the thread much), then you'll want to own a pair. Those fantastico cutters are great, but only for general cutting duties, not cables. I'd buy a pair myself if I didn't have a similar version from Knipex. As far as using them for different purposes, they look like they're made specifically to cut those darn cables, and that's about it. Same thing with very small cutting pliers made specifically for electronics, you'll probably mess the edges up if you wanna cut something out of the designed use.
shoturtle
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It is a nice case for the house. Having draws really help keep tools organized. With what you want and have. It is more then large enough for your needs.
shoturtle
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Beside kipnex, NWS makes one also. Could not open your link, but this is from chad's
http://chadstoolbox.com/nws-387-190-wire-rope-cutter-190-mm.aspx
http://chadstoolbox.com/nws-387-190-wire-rope-cutter-190-mm.aspx
Thanks. While I work on my bike, for bike overhauls and other "big" work I let the bike shop do the work. So, I probably don't need bike cable cutters. However, I do need basic cutters. Thus, I'll probably buy the Fantastico ones.
After searching the forum for tool chests, I think I'll scour Craigslist for a couple of weeks for one before I succumb to buying new. A six-drawer style, or thereabouts will fit my needs, including space for my bike tools and parts. I can use my current tool chest as a portable chest for carrying needed tools to bike races.
shoturtle
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I would look at the husky and craftsmen boxes also. They come in different color, and different size. I would measure area where you are planning to keep the box and find on that will fit.
kippieland
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Sears is coming out with some new boxes that are made from International out of Canada. They are WAY better then the old Waterloo boxes. That being said, the Waterloo box at HD is fairly nice but I think they are discontinuing it. Since you still don't have a lot of tools, Sears sells a three drawer carrying tool box that I have for my track box. It would be perfect for your size set up. Either way, I would look at Sears, HD, Lowes, and Costco for low-cost nice boxes.
Funny the treasures we have when we don't know what we are looking for. Your Ratchet looks very similar to an SK. If it works, thats really all thats important.
Funny the treasures we have when we don't know what we are looking for. Your Ratchet looks very similar to an SK. If it works, thats really all thats important.
Thanks. The ratchet does work. Since my use for it now is to remove cassettes from my bicycle wheels, I don't need another one.
A three drawer carrying tool box may actually be too small. I have several bicycle tools and supplies that I'd like to store and organize in a tool chest. I think a 6-drawer would be ideal. If I can't find used, I'll look new. How much much should I expect to spend for a descent one?
shoturtle
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Kip is correct, with your tool list, something that large might be over kill. You might be able to get away with something like this for what you have and still have it nicely organized.
http://www.homedepot.com/Tools-Hard...splay?catalogId=10053&langId=-1&storeId=10051
http://www.homedepot.com/Tools-Hard...splay?catalogId=10053&langId=-1&storeId=10051
shoturtle
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Since you think you need the larger size, for about 110 dollars, this sears one is pretty good.
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00961805000P?prdNo=18&blockNo=18&blockType=G18
I can go 41" -ish wide and 17" high (15" depth), that is without opening a lid; the next shelf is 17" above the shelf I need to place the tool chest. However, I could build a new shelf in the garage (still 15" depth - single car garage used to park my wife's car) without a height requirement so a lip can be opened and closed.
shoturtle
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Now if you were going to make room in the garage. I would not build a shelf. I would get a small tool cart. If you add more stuff you can just add to top chest.
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00959779000P?prdNo=3&blockNo=3&blockType=G3
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00959779000P?prdNo=3&blockNo=3&blockType=G3
kippieland
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I would go with this one from Sears since you don't have that many tools and they aren't that heavy. I used this same box for over 10 years with NO problem....it has steel slides instead of ball-bearing, but would work perfect for your application. I still have mine for a house box that has about as many tools as you have.
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00959778000P?prdNo=6&blockNo=31&blockType=G31
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00959778000P?prdNo=6&blockNo=31&blockType=G31
shoturtle
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I don't think the heavy duty requires the top to be open. I need to check with my cuz. He has the heavy duty for his tool cart.
shoturtle
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Think that might be to high for his storage area. Almost 18 inch. But the 5 draw basic is other option vs the heavy duty. Which is a tad high for the space already.
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shoturtle
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The top 2 draws are not that low, and they are deeper then the top case. So you will be able to keep more of the tools you use most in them. And it make for a good work area for light stuff without the top case.
brimorga
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You know that Wera screwdriver is not ratcheting, right?
kippieland
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I would buy the little beginner set...it has the bottom cart that Shoturtle mentioned and the top is the one a smaller version of the one I showed you. The bottom cart would be great for Bike parts.
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_009CO47327801B?prdNo=2&blockNo=2&blockType=G2
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_009CO47327801B?prdNo=2&blockNo=2&blockType=G2
shoturtle
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If you want the ratcheting, these are the wera
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004VMWYCU/?tag=atomicindus08-20
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004VMWZV0/?tag=atomicindus08-20
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004VMWYCU/?tag=atomicindus08-20
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004VMWZV0/?tag=atomicindus08-20