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Bench Oscilloscope recommendation

cheechi

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I'm going to start out by admitting I don't actually need an oscilloscope. I have always wanted one. I will probably never end up with a fully outfitted electronics bench but a scope is one of those things that I will get. My end goal is to have in addition to my pc/tablet/phone repair bench a complete enough setup to call a 'small electronics lab' minus the cleanroom. I don't intend to have all the various signal and standard generators and all the rest. I do want enough to to more than what you can do with a mid-high end multimeter.

Someday I really want to get a nice vintage analog as well as a modern digital, but that's not what this is about.

So. Let's say I want to buy a bench unit oscilloscope. A pawn shop near me has a Beckman 9020 though I didn't look at whether it's the 'Industrial' or 'Circuitmate'. They also have a Leader LBO-310 Ham. I haven't seen either one turned on and working, no info about calibration, etc etc. They told me they plugged an electric guitar in with an adapter and saw the waveforms it made, so each one functions. I don't think they have a 'full' probe set for either one.

In comparison this portable at 10kHz and one input, might do everything I 'need' or not. I have had the Rigol DS1054z on my wish list for a while. At 50MHz and 4 channels it's nicer than all the rest, but more costly and probably more than I will ever really need or utilize.

Aside from the Rigol, the Beckman is the nicest with dual inputs & 20MHz bandwidth, but I honestly don't know if I 'need' any more than the 10k bandwidth the others can do. Can someone tell me other than size and portability would you buy the portable one over the Beckman assuming it's working properly? My intended uses is testing simple components, building guitar & bass electronics, perhaps locating faults in circuits for tube & solid state amps if I can, and whatever general consumer electronics repairs I might otherwise have to pay for if it comes along. Right now if something goes wrong with a tablet for instance, I replace a board instead of being able to pinpoint a component failure. That may never change but to give you an idea of what I'm aiming for here.

Finally if I buy either one from the pawn shop what kind of things can I bring there to test it out? I have only a few components, several values of capacitors for my basses and a huge variety of resistors, but no chips of any kind. The main thing is I don't have any standards, traceable or otherwise, or a bench power supply, or anything really like that. I figure if I plug it into the mains and see the 60Hz sine wave, that's something. I could bring my car battery charger from the garage and watch the volts go up and down in a trickle charge mode.

I have used scopes in the past but only for very limited uses like finding matching resistors, comparing outputs from effects pedals with a 2 channel, mostly stuff I have been shown how to do in the past. Much of which I have also learned to do with a multimeter since. I don't have a specific job coming up that needs one but seeing they had two in there got me thinking at least I have two to choose from if I go through the effort to test one out.
 
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If you can get away with the Rigol you mentioned, I don't think you are going to do much better for the price unless you come across a great local deal. Siglent also makes some decent scopes from the money. You can get 100Mhz and 2 channels for the $450 ballpark.
 

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I think Keysight have some that are in competitive price mark of Rigol...
 
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I totally agree the Rigol or another in its price range would be a solution. I was hoping not to have to spend that kind of price range when there has to be so many scopes out there that are decades old and still fine pieces of electronics. I was further hoping I may have found a gem with either one of these.

So there is no redeeming value in any of the 3 at a lesser price than the Rigol?
 

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There are a few analog scopes out there that are still worth owning - those two scopes are not them. Unless you were getting them for like $25, I wouldn't bother. That $70 "digital scope" is a glorified multimeter, and will just frustrate you trying to do anything with it. That 10KHz bandwidth is a severe limitation and wouldn't even make it useful for looking at audio circuits, which can typically go up to 20KHz.

As I've said before in other threads - the Rigol 1054z is the gold standard entry level scope. It's unbeatable for the cost, and the 4 channels can really come in handy. There are a few other companies starting to release scopes competitive to the 1054z, but I don't believe any of them are quite as polished, or well supported by the community.
 

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I'd recommend seeing if you can pick up an old Tektronix analog scope for cheap. I got a Tek 100 Hz 4-channel model for free from a lab clean-out that way.
 

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All scopes have a test point on the scope to check the probe. That should be roughly enough to test a scope. For vintage audio, 20MHz is plenty. Old analog scopes are just fine for what you want to do...that being said, the Rigol is a nifty piece of equipment and I think that model can be hacked to 100MHz. It's also nice to be able to print or save a waveform, auto is also nice to save time.

The best feature to the Rigol is the size, analog scopes are deep and heavy. It costs valuable bench space.

You need a tone generator for audio equipment but here's a shocker, your phone can do it. Download an audio generator from the app store, I've tested my iphone and it's dead on up to 20Mhz before it starts to distort. 10kHz is more than enough for audio equipment.
 

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All scopes have a test point on the scope to check the probe. That should be roughly enough to test a scope. For vintage audio, 20MHz is plenty. Old analog scopes are just fine for what you want to do...that being said, the Rigol is a nifty piece of equipment and I think that model can be hacked to 100MHz. It's also nice to be able to print or save a waveform, auto is also nice to save time.

The best feature to the Rigol is the size, analog scopes are deep and heavy. It costs valuable bench space.

You need a tone generator for audio equipment but here's a shocker, your phone can do it. Download an audio generator from the app store, I've tested my iphone and it's dead on up to 20Mhz before it starts to distort. 10kHz is more than enough for audio equipment.
I have an old 100mhz Tek. What I miss is the data holding ability of the digitals. What about those front ends they sell to use a laptop for a scope?

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I have an old 100mhz Tek. What I miss is the data holding ability of the digitals. What about those front ends they sell to use a laptop for a scope?

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I have one too that I never use because I have a Rigol DS1102E and a Tek THS720A Scopemeter.

My analog Tek is a TDS 420 which has autoset but and limited storage. The last of the analog scopes did have limited digital features but you're also probably going to pay as much as the Rigol and they're twice the depth and at least three times the weight!
 
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I wish you were closer, I bought 3 Tektronix 7000 series analog mainframe scopes last fall for basically pennies, been looking for good homes for two of them, a 7904a and a 7834. I only really wanted the 7104 but the guy was going to scrap them and I couldn't let that happen.
 

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+2 for a used TEK scope. They have the best syncs. Mine is about 25 years old and still works perfectly. I use it for making and repairing guitar amps. Make sure you get a scope with probes---if you try to buy them later you will quickly see how expensive they can be, especially good ones like TEK.
 

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I'm going to start out by admitting I don't actually need an oscilloscope. I have always wanted one. I will probably never end up with a fully outfitted electronics bench but a scope is one of those things that I will get. My end goal is to have in addition to my pc/tablet/phone repair bench a complete enough setup to call a 'small electronics lab' minus the cleanroom. I don't intend to have all the various signal and standard generators and all the rest. I do want enough to to more than what you can do with a mid-high end multimeter.

Just thought I might add a pic of my simple electrical bench. Just generator, scope, and a couple of power supplies. I wish my generator had a freq counter, but some multimeters now have them.
 

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Just thought I might add a pic of my simple electrical bench. Just generator, scope, and a couple of power supplies. I wish my generator had a freq counter, but some multimeters now have them.

Very nice. What do you do on your electronics bench?
 

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Very nice. What do you do on your electronics bench?

I used to build my own power amplifiers for my audio hobby, but lately I repair the guitar amps for the local musicians. I specialize in tube amps (I'm pretty old), but can handle old school transistor stuff as long as it's not digital. Just yesterday I built an eq circuit for my home subwoofer.
 
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Chromdome35

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I used to build my own power amplifiers for my audio hobby, but lately I repair the guitar amps for the local musicians. I specialize in tube amps (I'm pretty old), but can handle old school transistor stuff as long as it's not digital. Just yesterday I built an eq circuit for my home subwoofer.

That is great, I hope its as fun/relaxing as it sounds.
 
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