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If it were a better investment to buy single power tools from different brands, and have chargers and batteries for each - then more people would that.

No, people fall for marketing tricks all the time.


I'm not sure that people feel they've got "sucked" into one platform. It's a better investment to have 4 batteries that can run 10 tools then it would be to have 5 different brands, 5 different chargers, and 5 different pair of batteries. If I were a mechanic, I MIGHT have chosen to go with something like IR over Milwaukee, or maybe even both - but I've never felt like I've been short changed with the Milwaukee stuff for home or work. Also, being able to run 3 different impacts with the same batteries does have its advantages, esp when it comes to the space savings of not having to make sure 4 different chargers are always plugged in, and making sure another battery is always charged and at the ready for each. If one charger takes a dump, then you stand the chance or having those tools rendered useless. Having multiple impacts also helps save the tools, since one doesn't have to bear the brunt of all the work - and that same tool doesn't always have to struggle with doing things at the upper end of its capability. Having the big Milwaukee (or something similar) just to do lugs on a big truck is probably enough to justify its purchase.


So tell me this.


How many chargers have you had fail? How many batteries do you ACTUALLY have? I'll bet my next paycheck that it's way more than four batteries, and no failed chargers.

Kits are cheaper than bare tools + separate batteries, thus people who are deep into cordless tools end up with way too many batteries than necessary. So for the 20 or something tools that you have, how many hands do you have to operate them all at once? If you have more than three batteries of a specific brand/voltage, you can't reasonably use all three continuously as a single person.


Your hypothetical situations on what "could" happen is driving your paranoia, and is leading you to form weird needs for super extra hyper redundant systems, that really gets you nothing.

You get to badger everyone w/ your Milwaukee pride though I guess, which, like any deep loyalty to any specific brand, reduces your credibility down to very little. Try something new for once, variety is the spice of life, and then you can talk more intelligently and make objective comparisons having actually tried something new.:thumbup:
 
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OP - something that might actually be helpful - Torque testing results

IR - Dewalt - Milwaukee

Makita -

I'll save you the watching - results are as follows for the 1/2"

IR W7150 (brushed I think) 869 ftlbs (1 year warranty) protective boot available
Dewalt Brushless 1,014 ftlbs (3 year warranty)
Milwaukee Fuel 1,012 ftlbs. (5 year warranty). Protective boot available
Makita Brushless XWT08Z 988 ftlbs (3 year warranty)
Ryobi p261 (not tested), rated at 300 (3 year warranty)
Ridgid brushed - (not tested) rated at 325 (lifetime w/registration)
Koblat 24v brushless (not tested) rated at 650 ftlbs ( break away which is generous) 5yr warranty

What's nice about Milwaukee and Dewalt, is their chargers also do their 12v batteries as well. However the Milwaukee has 1 slot for each, so their 18v chargers can do one of each for both their 18v and 12v.. Dewalt holds only one battery at a time, but it will do either since they are both a slide pack.

I don't have the IR or Makita - so I dont know if their chargers do both.

So I have watched that review before and I am curious where you got 988 ft/lbs for the Makita? Watching the review I could have swore the hightest reverse torque setting said it had 1055 ft/lbs of torque....
 

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No, people fall for marketing tricks all the time.





So tell me this.


How many chargers have you had fail? How many batteries do you ACTUALLY have? I'll bet my next paycheck that it's way more than four batteries, and no failed chargers.

Kits are cheaper than bare tools + separate batteries, thus people who are deep into cordless tools end up with way too many batteries than necessary. So for the 20 or something tools that you have, how many hands do you have to operate them all at once? If you have more than three batteries of a specific brand/voltage, you can't reasonably use all three continuously as a single person.


Your hypothetical situations on what "could" happen is driving your paranoia, and is leading you to form weird needs for super extra hyper redundant systems, that really gets you nothing.

You get to badger everyone w/ your Milwaukee pride though I guess, which, like any deep loyalty to any specific brand, reduces your credibility down to very little. Try something new for once, variety is the spice of life, and then you can talk more intelligently and make objective comparisons having actually tried something new.:thumbup:


the vast majority of people on this forum will all agree that when it comes to cordless tools, investing in a good line is a better option then investing in seperate platforms for just 1 or 2 tools and ending up with a drawer filled with seperate batteries and chargers. It would be nice if you could get your point across without passing insults in every thread you appear in.

I can think of 4 dead chargers I have off the top of my head. 2 18v Bosch, (I have 3, only one works now and I had to buy the other 2 off eBay) a paslode, and a Dewalt just at home. I know I replaced at least 6 or 8 Dewalt 18v batteries before I sold off or gave away most of those tools. At work dead Dewalt chargers can be found all over the place. (Not cause Dewalt is bad, it's just what they order using conventional methods and we have a lot of employees) some guys in here swear they can't get more than 2 years off Milwaukee battereis - probably cause they juggle the same couple over and over, and use the tools heavily. Batteries, chargers and tools all break.

I have / had a multitude of cordless stuff. What I have on hand between work and home now - Dewalt 18v, 12v, 20v. Bosch 18v, craftsman Nextec 12v, black and decker 7v (I think it is, they are old but lithium) , Milwaukee m18, m12 both brushed and brushless, paslode, a few hilti tools laying around somewhere. Maybe 50 or so cordless tools between 2 work trucks and home. Maybe even more, I don't even wanna know. Not including all this other cordless stuff that just takes wall chargers like some lights I have.

I finally got tired or juggling chargers, batteries - and with the advent of lithium and brushless tools I spent DAYS online reading and comparing before I started buying Milwukee stuff. It was hard to switch from Dewalt. I still own and buy competing tools from both brands. I have one truck outfitted with Dewalt and another with Milwaukee. It just worked out that way from different things I got from different places. My brushed Milwaukee impact driver is stronger than my brushless 20v Dewalt. My brushed m18 sawzall cuts better and feels better than my 20v dewalt, esp with the rubber fore grip. My $89 Dewalt 20v spot light is a clunky toy compared to my new M18 search light that is a spot/flood/hybrid light, and IP65 rated. I never intended to amass the amount of Milwukee stuff that I have - but every purchase has exceeded expectations and Ive been very happy with them, which is a common trend on here and why the Milwaukee addiction thread is one of the most popular threads on here. Everything else sits quietly in a bag except for my Milwaukee stuff at home. There just no reason to grab anything else, and the M18 & M12 combo charger is big help. I can keep the batteries for my tools and my heated jackets on the same charger. Having multiple chargers for the same platform is a big help too, cause I can charge my personal stuff at work too when I bring in heated gear instead of having to lug a charger to every different truck I might be working out of. If I know I'm walking into a bad situation, like storm damage, I can grab extra batteries from home to keep cordless lights going all night. When Milwaukee releases their new cordless cable cutter, I can have the vendor just order the bare tool, and save some $$ instead of trying to get a greenlee that would need its own charger and batteries. At some point people DONT need extra batteries and chargers, and you just buy all the bare tools you want at a lower cost.

The fact is though - Milwaukee started the whole race for a competitive brushless cordless 1/2" impact in the general consumer market. Theirs is the oldest, and still one of the best. Not because of what I think, but becuase of its track record and huge following from eveyone else that owns it. Every other big tool company copied and followed Milwaukees's model. NOBODY came close to their torque specs when it was new, and it's been years now and still nobody has released anything that really exceeds it by a wide margin. The top 3 contenders are all very close. The mere fact that Snap On demos against the Milwaukee in their events says something. I persoanlly own the Milwaukee fuel 7/16 hex drive impact wrench, their fuel 1/2" impact, their fuel 3/8" impact, their fuel 1/4" impact driver, among many more. I cant imagine juggling different batteries and chargers for every one. It just doesn't make sense "to chase torque specs" as someone put it... Esp when Milwaukee is in the top tier for all those models.

As far as 1/2" impacts go (which is what the OP asked about) - There are other choices now - and info is posted on most of the considered brands in one of my above posts so he can make his own choice.
 
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So I have watched that review before and I am curious where you got 988 ft/lbs for the Makita? Watching the review I could have swore the hightest reverse torque setting said it had 1055 ft/lbs of torque....

I fixed it - it was because the Makita video is the only one where he tests BOTH forward and reverse torque specs. I posted the forward spec by accident. Thanks.
 

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So I have watched that review before and I am curious where you got 988 ft/lbs for the Makita? Watching the review I could have swore the hightest reverse torque setting said it had 1055 ft/lbs of torque....

:lol: So predictable. :lol::pimpflash
 

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I have the Bosch because I have Bosch carpentry tools. I love it. It does everything I ask from it, but I work on passenger cars. Not sure I'd recommend it, because I think there are harder hitting impacts. But know this:

1) big hard hitting guns can be clumsy to use.
2) As soon as you add an extension, the gun becomes effectively weaker (which is a reason to choose a strong gun)
3) calculating breakaway torque on a battery gun is "junk science" . It has no industry standard method. I wouldn't make your decision based on manufacturers claims.

I'd pick a gun that you think will fit where you need it to. If space isn't an issue, buy the biggest heaviest gun, since that may well be the strongest.
 

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I fixed it - it was because the Makita video is the only one where he tests BOTH forward and reverse torque specs. I posted the forward spec by accident. Thanks.

No problem, got to make sure the boys in blue get their recognition. In seriousness though, I knew it was close because it was one of the deciding factors when I went Makita vs switching to Milwaukee. That and the Makita is smaller.

:lol: So predictable. :lol::pimpflash

Hey, I have to defend the blue vs the red juggernaut that is taking over garage journal lol
 

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No problem, got to make sure the boys in blue get their recognition. In seriousness though, I knew it was close because it was one of the deciding factors when I went Makita vs switching to Milwaukee. That and the Makita is smaller.

Yea between the big 3 the differences are minimal when you approach those numbers. It's not really enough to make it worth investing in another battery platform if you're already invested in one of those..

Even with a lower number, I'd still like the IR stuff if I were a mechanic, cause you can get a 20v ratchet and the right angle impact. Their newer 3/8 gun is making some game changing numbers. Hopefully it's enough to disrupt the market a bit and make the other big 3 compete. If they made a saw (don't think they do) I bet that would sway a few more buyers in their direction and take a few sales from Makita, Milwaukee and Dewalt.

As fun as the videos are to watch, saving a few seconds to remove bolts with a different impact isn't really relevant in the real world. You're never gonna completely replace the need for a standard ratchet or breaker bar no matter how small and powerful you make these things. Besides, if you need a really small impact, it still makes sense to have one of those compact pneumatics. It's hard to compete with those when it comes to size.
 
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i am probably gonna buy the ridgid .it has 325ftlbs torque which will be fine for me.i have a full line of ridgid tools which makes my choice easy.
 

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I personally use IR. It's used daily in a heavy equipment environment. (Railroad). I have been more than happy with my 7150 which easily competes with a lot of the old timers 3/4" drives. I just picked up their 3/8" high torque and so far am impressed. I would recommend IR in a heartbeat though Milwaukee's assortment of tools is certainly tempting.
 

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I have the Milwaukee 2763, it's an amazing tool, I haven't found a bolt it won't take off yet working on quite a bit of 30yr old rusty junk. I think the "newer" 1/2" impacts from Dewalt and IR are good as well, but they don't have the lineup and overall performance of platform/battery as Milwaukee.

If the 2763 is too big/bulky, I strongly recommend the 3/8" 2564 Milwaukee. Just amazing little impact, it easily takes lugs off 1/2 tons. I just tore down a 1973 Land Rover, rusted to hell. I took it to a buddy's house with two bars on the battery, of four, just to get started and figured I'd bring the charger over when it died. The truck is now a bare chassis and the 2564 still has one bar showing on the battery, it was used for five nights with two guy running it taking apart hundreds of rusty fine thread bolts (admittedly not large) on half a charge. Milwaukee batteries are amazing.
 

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I have to say I was surprised watching that Milwaukee hammer off those lug nuts in comparison to the Snapon.

And I also believe that buying into a certain tool platform such as Milwaukee or Makita or maybe even Ryobi :D for some is the most logical option for many semi/professional end users as there are just so many cross trade applications within a certain line. Milwaukee just for instance has plenty of general auto mechanics tools. Pistol style impact wrenches in multiple configurations (one of my fav's is their tiny 1/4 impact Fuel wrench ) and 1/4 hex drivers, drills in both standard chucks and 1/4 hex drive, ratchets drives and other right angle tools. There are grease guns, and tools for both heat and close visual inspection and then there are all general carpentry, metal working tools , plus plumbing and electrical. Never mind all the accessory stuff bits, blades and their lights, fans, radios, vacs, clothing lines, yadayadayada.


Has the OP come back with any more useful info? Obviously the High Torque models will get the toughest jobs done where compact wrenches wouldn't stand a chance but are definitely overkill for other duties. Logically there really is no best one...but just the best one for the job at hand right. ;)

Here are some more choices and it seems you never much hear of them mentioned in most impact wrench discussions. Not offered in brushless vesion as far as I know so that's a step behind most of the others at this point, but AC Delco has both a High Torque and compact models with multiple electronic clutch power settings along with ratchets, drill, drivers and other cordless tools in several different power platforms. Just thought I toss them in the mix here.

Surprisingly their compact ARI2064B 3.3 lb 1/2 drive advertises some interesting numbers compared to many other tools in that size class

http://www.acdelco-tools.com/index.php?route=product/category&path=60_69


On a personal note I am still using two different manufacturers tools on my job so that means I have to carry multiple types of batteries and different chargers. It gets old after a while and it's becoming a pita to me. It maybe ok for the workbench or in the garage but as soon as I can I will make the complete changeover and use only one brand.
 

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Here is another test and his Snap On dealer was not too happy with his choice.Lost a sale and his dealer did see this video as well,
 

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M18 Fuel.

I have experience with the M18, IR, and Dewalt. The IR is a good performer, but the M18 is a much better value. A M18 kit with two 5.0 a/hr batteries and charger is $429 and can routinely be found on sale for $329. The equivalent IR kit is around $550.

Milwaukee customer service is excellent as well. I recently crushed my impact and inquired about having the housing replaced and internal components repaired. Instead of repairing Milwaukee offered a new replacement for $119.

Finally, he assortment of tools available for the platform are a great advantage over the IR.
 

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I invested in the M18 line and then in M12 line. I love all of the tools that I have purchased up to this point.

1/2 High Torque fuel
3/8 Impact fuel
3/8 ratchet
1/4 impact driver m18 and m12 both fuel
hammer drill fuel
high speed rotary tool m12
flash light m12

All work exceptionally well and I will continue to purchase.
 

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I tried a Milwaukee 2763 my friend bought and it just seemed more powerful (or hit differently?) than my other impacts. I stuck an extension on them and the milwaukee was obviously doing something different than the rest.Ignore the weld on the nut, the nut is just welded to the washer. They are all so powerful though you can't really go wrong with any of them

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I have the older Makita lxt rated at about 350 ftlbs. Works OK but there have been some truck/suv lugs it can't take off....not happy. Looking at a new gun, definitely a 700 ftlb rated gun.

I have a few battery systems, including Metabo. I love the look and size of the 400 gun, but at 295 ft lbs, not going down that road. I want something that takes everything off, unless you really need a 3/4" or 1" gun. For me the choice would between DeWalt, Milwaukee, and Makita. (The IR's are probably great also, if you are fine in being limited to impacts for tool choice).

To the OP, my opinion would be to go with one of the 3 I mentioned, with the price/deal you can get being one of the major factors. Also, not that it is bad, but the Milwaukee is an older design and is a bit bulkier than the Dewalt or Makita.

Myself, I have M18 & M12. Makita 18v, Metabo, so the Dewalt is out, I don't want another system. I will probably go with the Makita, but a hot deal on a 2763 would work also. For a smaller, better handling (less powerful gun) gun, plenty to choose from later on.
 

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Milwaukee 2763-22 M18 Impact Wrench
Best impact wrench for the buck!
So far it's easily tackled everything I've thrown at it and the battery lasts forever!
At first I had doubts regarding this tool. However, it proved me wrong by removing all the nuts/bolts it encountered.
 
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Actually, none of the above. The new Milwaukee Mid-Torque is the answer to all of the questions being posed. 450 ft-lb and quite small and light. I agree with the comments that the big Milwaukee is too big and heavy. This Mid-Torque model will do 95% of what the monster Milwaukee will do and do it without killing your arm. For the weird >450 ft-lb job whip out the Aircat 1250K.
 

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Actually, none of the above. The new Milwaukee Mid-Torque is the answer to all of the questions being posed. 450 ft-lb and quite small and light. I agree with the comments that the big Milwaukee is too big and heavy. This Mid-Torque model will do 95% of what the monster Milwaukee will do and do it without killing your arm. For the weird >450 ft-lb job whip out the Aircat 1250K.

Pretty much this.

Well except the last part... you'll want to whip out the 2235 instead :evil:
 
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The thing about cordless as compared to air tools is that the electric guns tend to be bigger.

All of these high torque guns, for example, are 10+" long, severely limiting their use. I have a corded impact like this, which works fine, but I need a smaller unit.

Anyone know who makes Kobalt units?

https://m.lowes.com/pd/Kobalt-24-Volt-1-2-in-Drive-Cordless-Impact-Wrench/1000180491

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For mid-torque, short cordless impacts, that is price competitive with Harbor Freight and more powerful than anything but the Milwaukee 2861, which is 3 times the price and almost 1" longer..
 

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I have the 1/2 and 3/8 snap on lithium ion ,They are used daily as I turn wrenches for a living . I love the 3/8 and not so much the 1/2 gun I ould guess I use the 3/8 cordless 75% of the time over 3/8 air . But the 1/2 cordless sit more than its used the reasons are that its just plain heavy , and it comes up short on power way too often . my mg725 just seems to get the job don most of the time and I actually regret buying the 1/2 cordless
 

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I tried a Milwaukee 2763 my friend bought and it just seemed more powerful (or hit differently?) than my other impacts. I stuck an extension on them and the milwaukee was obviously doing something different than the rest.Ignore the weld on the nut, the nut is just welded to the washer. They are all so powerful though you can't really go wrong with any of them

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Wow, those are really nice welds.
 

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For mid-torque, short cordless impacts, that is price competitive with Harbor Freight and more powerful than anything but the Milwaukee 2861, which is 3 times the price and almost 1" longer..

Incorrect!

but buy it, try it and let us know how you like it.
 

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I got the mid torque milwaukee and wish they would have got it out sooner, 450lbs I believe is under rated! my old snap on 18v claimed 400 ft-lbs and is nowhere near as powerful. I have the big milwaukee too but the size and weight of the mid gun is better.
 

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I may, but why is it incorrect? Is there another < 7" long cordless impact that makes more than 200 ft-lb of torque?

My old Gen 1 Milwaukee 1/2" 2655B compact was 210 ft. lbs. when it was released and also the newer Gen 2 3/8" 2754 compact impact is rated for that now.

And the current 2755/55B 1/2" version is rated @ 220 ft. lbs. I believe.


Though not an everyday price I did pay only $99 +SH for my bare tool 2754.


If your already into the Kobalt line I'm sure it'll be a good tool.
 

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I may, but why is it incorrect? Is there another < 7" long cordless impact that makes more than 200 ft-lb of torque?

Yes, I have Ingersoll-Rand W5132 3/8" impact wrench, 365 ft-lb max torque, 550 ftlb nut busting torque. 6.5" long.
 

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How do you like the IR W5132 ?

I've used it about 5 times to take off lug nuts and suspension bolts. It seems ok. The 4 tightening settings are really nice feature to have. I like it. The workmanship seems slightly better than similar powered offerings from Milwaukee and DeWalt.

The front light ring makes the front flat, sometimes it affects access in tight places. With the 5Ah battery, it's quite heavy. For DIY, the power is not as enough as I thought. When I was replacing a lower control arm, a 19mm through bolt was super tight, beating on it back and forth for 5min, the bolt just wouldn't budge. My W7150 was able to remove it after another 5min back/forth with plenty of penetrating oil.

The W5132 is probably enough for most 17mm and smaller bolts on a car, but there will be larger bolts that it cannot take off.

Now I have Ingersoll Rand W1120 (1/4") W5132 (3/8") W7150 (1/2") impact guns, a little too much for an occasional DIYer like myself. If I do it again, I'd just buy only one high powered 1/2" gun for super tight bolts.
 
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I've got the Milwaukee Fuel Mid-Torque and I love it. Great compromise between size, weight, and power. 450 fastening torque, 600 breakaway. Works great for home use and light to medium mechanic work.

Compact model would probably be fine for just lug nuts on smaller vehicles.

I'd love to try their new high-torque impact this fall, 1400 ft/lbs breakaway. I just don't have a need for that much for what I do. Or the arm to hold it up all day!
 

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Milwaukee's mid torque just may be the best compromise as late and I cant much disagree with that If someone wanted just one all around tool for wheel lugs and other general disassembly work.

I have tried most of them except for the Mid Torque

The M18 high torque is a beast but making it fit many places or controlling the forward assembly power can be tough. Also have the M18 compact in both 1/2" and 3/8" and really like my 1/2 inch B the best, mode selection is better IMO than the 3/8 and still haven't warmed up to the 3/8" version all that much since I have had it. But that's just me :D

Also have M12 3/8" impacts both brushed and brushless. I like both of them too also and I am nostalgic for those brushed versions of M12 tools from Milwaukee including the current 1/4" hex driver but obviously the Fuels really are impressive and worth the price point especially in the 3/8" drive wrench and I actually prefer it over the M18 3/8 drive model. Plus the pod style compact battery design with increased battery performance these days makes battery longevity on an impact tool is almost a moot point .


For High Torque any of the big three contractor brand names are in the ballpark with each other and the later offerings have a few more refinements like multiple mode selection and vibration dampening.


For mechanical disassembly and reassembly there simply isn't a one size fit tool all so saying which one is best just subjective and totally depends on the application, but seriously I have wiggled my compact into places where no other battery tool would fit except for an RA impact which I also have but do also understand the current limitations of such a tool.


To quote one of my working compadres when OFTEN asked his opinion on certain matters he so aptly says..."hard saying not knowing" :D
 

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The M18 high torque is a beast but making it fit many places or controlling the forward assembly power can be tough. Also have the M18 compact in both 1/2" and 3/8" and really like my 1/2 inch B the best, mode selection is better IMO than the 3/8 and still haven't warmed up to the 3/8" version all that much since I have had it. But that's just me :D

This is my concern; I have a high torque corded impact, but it's 11" long.

I need a compact impact for ball joint nuts and such, with controllable forward speed/torque.

I would actually rather have it in 3/8", since I have a pretty much complete 3/8" impact set.
 

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Milwaukee has a mid torque that does 450+ ft-lbs

Yep, already listed that one.

So far, there are 2 Milwaukees, a 3/8" and a 1/2", and an Ingersoll-Rand that beat it.

None of them can be had for anything like the ~$150 the Kobalt would cost, though.

On the other hand, my Kobalt air compressor died today, after about a year. Granted, I use it fairly often, but still!

Honestly, I'm seriously considering the DeWalt old-style 18V; only 125 ft-lb, but I'm not taking lugnuts off with it, and that might be better for putting stuff together.

Plus I already have the batteries and a couple of chargers, so $100.
 

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The Milwaukee mid torque is really the best compromise between size and power so I suggest starting with it. If you run into something it won't take off then buy the high torque. If you run into somewhere it won't fit then get one of the compacts but they are weak so I am hoping for a 3/8 mid torque that is about the same size as the compact 1/2 but more powerful.

Some have mentioned difficulty fastening too fast. Both the high torque and mid torque have a 1 setting which is slower and far less power. The different settings are useful and can be us similar to a clutch on a drill/driver.
 

thatguysb

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What are your guys thoughts on the one key model? mainly the Milwaukee 2758-20
 

skippydoo

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I was told by a milwaukee rep , they are going to release a more powerful 1/2 cordless impact with 1100 or 1200 pounds of torque. this was last week at a big farm show in NY .
 
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