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You are kidding right? It's either coil or hard nylon line. I kept brake line and a selection of push connectors in my wrecker because it was a constant, everyday thing for that nylon hose to burst on local trucks. It's not made to flex any distance. Using that stuff is just asking to get hurt.

Your thinking of Glad hand hoses not air brake hose.Actually glad hand hoses will stretch pretty far.I've seen a guy drop his trailer when he was mad,forget to unhook the hoses and pull away.The hoses stretched about 20ft before the glad hands came undone and shot through the back window of the cab.:lol_hittiUsually they break on the road because they get pinched and cut from the twisting and turning of the truck/trailer pivot.They make great hoses for overhead at the work bench.just a heavier version of a normal coiled air hose.

I was recommending air brake hose used under the truck.It's made of heavy duty rubber,extremely abrasion resistant and designed to compensate for the suspension movement of the truck so it's very resistant to cracking.I know many heavy truck shops that use it as their daily use air hose.
 
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The orange goodyear Pliovic hoses that are sold are HF and other stores are good. Easy to wipe the hose clean after use.

http://www.harborfreight.com/media/...ab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/i/m/image_2141.jpg

this is the best air hose IMO. I had the black rubber goodyear hose, which was lasting me forever, but it gets sticky/soft as it breaks down- then dirt sticks to it which makes a mess. I changed out all my hoses to this style a few yrs ago and love it. You can wipe this style down with no issues; it does not get sticky. It is a little smaller in OD than the black rubber hose but also a little less flexible- but not an issue.
 

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Re: black rubber goodyear hose, which was lasting me forever, but it gets sticky/soft as it breaks down- then dirt sticks to it which makes a mess. I found this to be the case also; I was quite disappointed that a Goodyear hose would do that. I wrapped it up and put it away because it was so messy.
 

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I currently have 2 sets of the black good year hoses. Is it really worth upgrading to these orange pliovic ones??
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If you are happy with the black ones stick (ha) with them. But, eventually they will break down and every piece of sand and dirt they touch will stick to them. Then you will probably decide to upgrade. If you keep your hoses lying on the floor you may not notice. But if you store on a hose reel and roll up you will eventually care because your hands will be black/dirty from guiding it on the hose reel.
 

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The orange goodyear Pliovic hoses (they come in other colors) are very flexible, roll easily. They have clear coating that is easy to clean. I have a couple of the rubber goodyear hoses the black and red ones, they attract dirt.

You should try the Pliovic hose, it will be your favorite .
 

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I bought the orange 50 foot rolls at Home Depot last year 3 for $18 i think. Piece of garbage. The first hose i hooked up to the compressor bulged like a water balloon and then burst at about 70 PSI at about 2 minutes of use. I had not even opened the other two. I took that **** right back and returned them. They did say "Made in China" all over the hoses.
Then i got the pink Goodyear in 1/2 inch ID. Real quality hoses. I wanted to retire the blue poly one i had been using. in the cold, it is just too much trouble to roll and unroll it.
 

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I've put several of these in 25' to 50' lengths to the test, and they've been the best I could find, though I haven't tried the flexzilla. This post is from a previous thread I started.

Parker air hose, made in USA, 3/8 ID and 11/16 OD:

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1/4" NPT end w/ferrule - stainless steel.

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CEJN 310 series couplers, high-flow, regular and safety. Made in Sweden.

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CEJN 430 v. 310 ******, both industrial interchange:

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So are you guys installing these hoses into reels? If yes what reel? I have not seen any that did not come with hose already in them...
 

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I've put several of these in 25' to 50' lengths to the test, and they've been the best I could find, though I haven't tried the flexzilla. This post is from a previous thread I started.

Parker air hose, made in USA, 3/8 ID and 11/16 OD:



Parker air hose is excellent quality stuff, IMO. I have experience with hundreds of hoses made from it. Very durable, coils well, made in USA. Pushing the fittings in isn't easy when making a new hose, but they stay there!

FYI:
http://www.controlandpower.com/catalog/PDFs/Parker/Parker Hose Products/Parker HPD 4281-0203.pdf

At home I went through several really cheap Central Pneumatic hoses until I switched to the black Goodyear hose from HF. It's good so far (2+ years).
 

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I use to see blue rubber Goodyear hose aat Northern Tool. I haven't seen it in their inventory in quite a while. Anyone seen it around anymore? If I remember correctly, I think it had white lettering on it too.
 
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and here is a coupon for HF to get the hose. It is even good online.
 

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Man this thread couldnt have come at a better time. I have a Kobalt hose (lowes is close by and easy) that works fine, except it is a real PITA to coil. I have been using it a lot this week and I feel like Im trying to wind up re-bar!
 

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I've put several of these in 25' to 50' lengths to the test, and they've been the best I could find, though I haven't tried the flexzilla. This post is from a previous thread I started.

Parker air hose, made in USA, 3/8 ID and 11/16 OD:

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THIS HOSE IS AWESOME!! Does not attract grease, does not break down, stays pliable, very good stuff.

There is a hose/lube supply company that serviced my old dealership and every hose in the shop was this type. Never ever, ever did it need to be replaced. Now, at our new shop, all out hoses were ****.
I snuck back over to old shop one day, read the hose to figure out where it came from, then went online and bought a 500 ft roll to replace every hose in the shop.

Also bought a crimping tool and ferrules.
 

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all the manufacturers have different grades of material, you get what you pay for..

I have the yellow Goodyear Gorilla, for about 15 years now, with no problems. however it was expensive, and it doesn't have any sort of strain relief on the ends.

prior to that I had the black Goodyear wing-foot, which separated, and the cover got 'rubbery' from oil/grease, with a few years time.

I have a home depot Red rubber hose, that was cheap, which is getting 'sticky or tacky to the touch and picks up all sorts of dirt and debris...I think that will be going in the trash shortly.

I also have a PVC hose, which stays hard as a rock and is so in-flexible...but I didn't pay for it, and it seldom gets used.

I think the main problem with rubber or synthetic rubber air hoses is the use, and materials/chemicals it will encounter in it's lifetime. most general purpose air hoses are RMA class 'C', which don't do well when oils or petroleum products get on them, they tend to decompose or separate rather rapidly, but are rather cheap. on the other hand RMA Class 'A' hoses take abuse and are extremely oil resistant, but are more costly.
 
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i had a bunch of vinyl hoses they werent too bad, last year i bought 2 50' orange pvc hose, it was ok in the dead of summer, winter forget it. i might as well have used pvc pipe. i wound up stepping on it and it cracked right in half. i went to home cheepo and picked up 2 50' red rubber hoses. they werent cheap they arent light but they sure are nice.amflo or something like that. i have one yellow rubber goodyear hose maybe from a swap mee tor something what a piece of junk. it kinks easier than anything and the rubber is peeling off.
 

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Hi. I'd joined my family business of manufacturing and exporting air, water and welding hoses from India a few months back and have been involved in quality control and r&d.
I stumbled upon this thread and it seems like a very good source. I mean, ultimately, you all are going to judge the product. We do sell to many stores in the US and until recently the quality was average, but now we are improving and trying to give the best value products. (I know they compete with 'made in US' products, but we gotta eat too ;)

There is little trend of diy here in India, and you guys seem pretty serious about all this, so if you could help me make a better product that'd be kind. In return, maybe, I can send some free samples to get some beta testing results ;).

I know the question's too vague but what exactly do each of you look for in an air hose?
For example, if the use is static under sun, we'd make it in EPDM and it would last really long.
If it is dynamic (includes run over by a car;) under sun, we'd use a blend of neoprene and natural rubber with sufficient ozone resistance and great strength.
If it is dynamic/ static inside, we'd go for natural rubber only.
If it involves slight contact with oils, then EPDM. Substantial contact, NBR. Then again, it depends - which oils?

I'd be glad to send free samples. We have a warehouse in the US too. Any help will do.

- just another kid trying to learn good, fair business.
 

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I'll take free samples :) Oh and welcome to the thread, Try tossing up a new thread introducing yourself and putting some of this information in there. Better to start up a new thread then to piggy back off someone else's thread. Also will get you a better response since this one is over a year old.
 

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Hi. I'd joined my family business of manufacturing and exporting air, water and welding hoses from India a few months back and have been involved in quality control and r&d.
I stumbled upon this thread and it seems like a very good source. I mean, ultimately, you all are going to judge the product. We do sell to many stores in the US and until recently the quality was average, but now we are improving and trying to give the best value products. (I know they compete with 'made in US' products, but we gotta eat too ;)

There is little trend of diy here in India, and you guys seem pretty serious about all this, so if you could help me make a better product that'd be kind. In return, maybe, I can send some free samples to get some beta testing results ;).

I know the question's too vague but what exactly do each of you look for in an air hose?
For example, if the use is static under sun, we'd make it in EPDM and it would last really long.
If it is dynamic (includes run over by a car;) under sun, we'd use a blend of neoprene and natural rubber with sufficient ozone resistance and great strength.
If it is dynamic/ static inside, we'd go for natural rubber only.
If it involves slight contact with oils, then EPDM. Substantial contact, NBR. Then again, it depends - which oils?

I'd be glad to send free samples. We have a warehouse in the US too. Any help will do.

- just another kid trying to learn good, fair business.

What we won't is a hose that will last years in oil, sun, cold and be as flexible and in similar condition as new after clean-up. Good year orange hose dues that for me.
 

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I'm in for a free sample too...

As previously stated, a hose that does everything would be perfect, but since we don't live in a perfect world, each person's application will differ.

Personally, I have a shop where I mix uses between Automotive, painting, metal working, and woodworking, both indoors and outdoors. I need a hose that stays flexible, has good abrasion resistance, better chemical and oil resistance, has good kink and stress resistance, and is light weight.

I have tried all types of hoses, PVC, rubber, vinyl, EPDM, and combinations. there doesn't seem to be one good hose for all occasions. I have been using the EPDM, and Rubber combinations, they stay soft and flexible, have somewhat good oil and chemical resistance, but are heavy in comparison to the PVC and Vinyl.
 

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I'm in for a free sample too...

As previously stated, a hose that does everything would be perfect, but since we don't live in a perfect world, each person's application will differ.

Personally, I have a shop where I mix uses between Automotive, painting, metal working, and woodworking, both indoors and outdoors. I need a hose that stays flexible, has good abrasion resistance, better chemical and oil resistance, has good kink and stress resistance, and is light weight.

I have tried all types of hoses, PVC, rubber, vinyl, EPDM, and combinations. there doesn't seem to be one good hose for all occasions. I have been using the EPDM, and Rubber combinations, they stay soft and flexible, have somewhat good oil and chemical resistance, but are heavy in comparison to the PVC and Vinyl.

You can almost never get a rubber hose as light as PVC or Vinyl ones. And if you want a hose suitable for all the occasions, I'd suggest going for one made with Neoprene. It will be a bit more expensive, but that will be oil, ozone, abrasion resistant. It may even be lighter than the usual rubber hoses. If abrasion is not that big a concern, then EPDM will be fine too.
 

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And yeah, I'll start a new thread. Those interested in enrolling for free samples can join there ;) I can't guarantee anything, but I will try my best. We can ship some to our warehouse in NJ with the next LCL shipment.
On the new thread, please specify your use and requirement, and I'll try you get what you want. Thanks.
 

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I tried swivels something like that, but so that I can get tools into smaller spaces. Not sure if they help very much.

I agree with the other folks about hose. Also I have one old black rubber Sears hose that was for either air or paint, is easy to coil up, and looks almost new 20 years later. I have a lot of the orange plastic hose because it was given to me. It seems to hold up and is fine for occasional use when I need a long hose, but it's a real nuisance to roll or unroll.
 

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Welcome to the GJ rishavrastogi !!!! Glad you joined in.

Goodyear's never made china hoses that I ever seen and Ive been looking at GY hoses for several days now...Just to elaborate.
All of them say Made In USA on them & GY site, even the cheapest 150-200psi Working Pressure is USA.
My black HF {GY Lowest grade} is over 7yrs old, its shell just started bulging so its time, but Im ruff on it using Impacts,ratchets,always kept it expanded full air,no lead/whip ect..My fault abused!
HF no longer carries Goodyears they have cheap China Central Pneumatic now and are garbage according to HF own site reviews. Hope they read them.

Tiawans Flexzilla or Goodyear is the better choice's reading reviews and articles.

American Goodyear PE "Yellow" 10yr Guarentee for me! Just make sure it has the "diamond icon" stamped on it or its the low grade version. Shares the same colors and I saw both ebay/Amazon sellers slipping them in on people so verify "diamond icon" before checkout.

CAUTION: "Theres no pressure numbers marked on the lower grade GY hoses now". Not sure about other companies?? Maybe rishavrastogi can answer this?

With even small newer compressors reaching 175psi make sure you know the hoses WP ratings. I think guys ignore this, then call a hose junk. 175lb air dont go into 150lb hose very good but it sure will come out really fast for you. lol

The GY Gorilla hose 500lb working pressure thats top line! They stiff Dougb442?? Never saw one? A video youtube shows GY stating "Double your money back if a Gorilla hose fails"! Thats their best brute hose but they do cost bit.
The GY F5 is their hybrid witch compares to Flexzilla but unlike the Flexzilla, F5 is made in USA and we need those jobs.

As guys here stated there's no such thing as a one size fits all app hose. It wont ever be either, because corps. cant survive selling us one hose. So we'll just buy one hose for every app.
Heres how: Tell momma that last hose you got was junk and you need another,and another, till you get them. Damn China hoses! lol
Hope I helped someone. Buyer beware on cheap hoses???...Look for WP ratings stamped on the hose. I never bought one without its pressure numbers on it & wont. Some have a ratings number like 4.1 or 3.1...Thats fine with me too at least its ratings that can be seen.
 

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I looked at "Parker" hose, its made by Goodyear scbird94. GST II is 200WP with rating 4.1= 800 burst. It should say on it according to there site. GoodYear dont have pressure rating numbers stamped on the low rated hose and 200psi is low so it may be gone now. I think they should have to stamp it on them for saftey. I ran 150psi in my HF GoodYear 250psi for yrs without issues. Like I said it was good hose and went through alot.
 

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Just noticed this thread was updated a few months ago since I contributed to it in 2010/2011. Just an update on the Parker Hose, the stainless fittings (I think made by Dixon - and I used the “screw type” rather than the type you clamp on - though a few I had were clamp type and I used Oetiker for that - and those Knipex pliers made short work of the job) and the CEJN couplers and *******.

Parker hose has been great for several stations. Replaced one length because it was always being twisted. It was more abuse than use, I guess you could argue. All fittings have been great. Blew out 2 CEJN safety couplers (I don’t know if they make two different types for industrial -- but I believe the photo will still load of the two different types I use. I actually prefer the single click rather than double click - or slide rather.

I switched to Prevost on later work stations. Too many guys had problems with the particular CEJN coupler I had installed and they’d jack it up. The Prevost is easier, at least , in our experience! (Though I kinda still like the CEJN). But I understand that Prevost is discontinuing the one I like (black with lighting or medium blue dot).

Anyway, I became obsessive about air lines and all that from reading all the threads on here and did the overhaul in 2009-2010 and this board was a great resource for that. So thanks.
 

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Great info in this thread! I'll try to add to that. I use both the Flexzilla and Goodyear hoses. When I got into it, the Red Wingfoot was popular. The 1/2" was double braided back then. I believe you can still get Wingfoot, but it's scarce. Eventually went with the Goodyear Yellow 1/2" 300 psi w.p. Which is one step down from the Gorilla that specs @ 500 psi. The 1/2" 300 psi GY Yellow has great flexibility, it's also a tough HD hose. Nothing bad to say about it!
Legacy's Flexzilla, - That color green belongs in the test tube; as it's probably radio active. Never the less,- 2008 Speedaire contracted Legacy to make their Flexzilla hose with the Speedaire color green, vs Legacys apocalyptic green. Legacy complied and being that the Speedaire green was much easier on the eyes, I decided to check it out. I use the Goodyear Yellow hoses as well. The GY hose is larger and heavier of course, but that really doesn't get in the way in IMO. They have quite a bit of flexibility and rubber encasing the liner making them more versatile. Durability, -It's just as good outside as it is in the shop or garage.
Flexzilla hoses are lighter, easier to drag around. They're flexible, but tighten up as soon as you fill them w/90lbs of pressure or better. Chances of catching a splinter or working a hole in one out in the field are better vs the Goodyear. Personally, I haven't had a problem with either hoses; I use them in the garage for the most part.

I've been searching for a merchant/store that carries the Goodyear F5 hose in 1/2", - as it is believed to be the Flexzilla hose competitor as far as weight, flex and durability. So, I decided to check it out. It was during this search I came upon this thread. After a few days of absolutely no luck, I finally tracked it down here @ IBT, -

http://primemover.ibtinc.com/goodyear-f5-air-hose-1/

So if your looking for it, they have it there^^. I ordered 50' of,-
"F5 1/2" (12.7mm) ID 300 PSI WP (2.1 MPa) MADE IN USA Goodyear"

@ $1 per ft. The hose is Blue in color/White lettering. That's what it costs shipped.

Just the hose, no fittings or whatnot came with. Took 3 days to get here from Kansas - MI. I haven't crimped any fittings on yet. Since it's new, I'll use it at the paint station. It's set up for high flow/volume, -3/4-1/2 direct at the wheel, no bottlenecks.
On the coupler side, using a old Milton 1726 crimper and a 7333 brass ferrule, I'll install Astro Pneumatics 2640 coupler (currently the best 1/4" coupler on the market). That coupler flows 89cfm vs the average 1/4" coupler which is around 40cfm. It almost flows as much as Milton 1/2" coupler which is @ 99cfm.


Ha! -I'm probably a little obsessive about air lines as well...Just a little.

Thanks for all the Great info in this thread fellas!

I hope my post will help others some day.
 

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BTW- I guess they are still selling that Speedaire/Legacy hose on both ebay and amazon. Here's the link, -

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-SPEEDAI...036?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2ecccf633c


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After the link no longer works, this is their description, -

This item is brand new sealed in the original packing as seen in the pictures. Quality made to last a lifetime. Not a cheap home-store (Menards or others) product.
This air hose was manufactured for SPEEDAIRE by Legacy Mfg and is the industrial line of air / pneumatic hose and is similar to their Flexzilla air hose but better, more enduring in my opinion and the SPEEDAIRE is green in color. This hose has superior all weather flexibility even in freezing temperatures.


Specs, -

Fitting Size (In.):
1/4 (M)NPT
Model:
2VDF6
Safety Factor:
3:1
MPN:
HFZ3850GR2-SPD
Reinforcement:
Polyester Yarn
Item:
Air Hose
Tube Material:
Engineered Polymer
Hose Inside Dia. (In.):
3/8
Coupling Material:
Brass
Meets:
RMA Class A
Cover Material:
Engineered Polymer
Temp. Range (F):
-40 to 150
UNSPSC:
40142002
Hose Length (Ft.):
50

Yea, that ^^^ didn't turn out so well, but you should be able to make it out well enough.
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In their description above, they mention that the Speedaire hose is similar to the Legacy and that it is more enduring. I don't recall that when it first came out. The only difference was the color. So, -I don't know what they mean by "more enduring". They may have changed the makeup. To be sure, you can compare the specs to the same legacy product.

I can't believe they're still selling that stuff, - it's been a long time.
 
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