Best grinder to remove TLPPC

[zio]

Well I installed TLPPC and something went wrong. I'm waiting to hear from Justin but i need to grind it off. At this point I would just like to go back to bare concrete because I am completely out of money for this garage build. Can I just sand it off so the concrete is smooth? If I don't don't finishe this garage build soon my wife is going to kill me.

 

[HunterDan]

Any input on what you did, and what happened? I am about to put mine down tommorrow and want to make sure I'm not over looking something.


My guess would be a diamabrush attachment, but when I bought mine Justin did tell me that you had to pretty much break up the concrete to get it out

 

[LegacyIndustrial]

Well I installed TLPPC and something went wrong. I'm waiting to hear from Justine but i need to grind it off. At this point I would just like to go back to bare concrete because I am completely out of money for this garage build. Can I just sand it off so the concrete is smooth? If I don't don't finishe this garage build soon my wife is going to kill me.

Talk to Justin....

However using any type of diamond will quickly abrade the concrete. See if a stripper will take it off before using any type of sanding equipment.


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[naturalgas]

Well I installed TLPPC and something went wrong. I'm waiting to hear from Justine but i need to grind it off. At this point I would just like to go back to bare concrete because I am completely out of money for this garage build. Can I just sand it off so the concrete is smooth? If I don't don't finishe this garage build soon my wife is going to kill me.

Any pics of what went wrong?


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[zio]

To be honest I have no idea what happened. The floor looks great and seemed to be holding up well until I parked my cars on it. After them being parked and moved for the first time the coating bubble and peeled up under the tires. Here is the steps I took.

Scrubbed/washed with simple green
Acid etched
Neutralized twice
Power washed with simple green
Rented floor scrubber because I left lines on the concrete and had a feeling that not all the residue left over from the etch was gone.
Scrubbed two more times with simple green
The heat was set at 75 for around 2 weeks before etch and two weeks after. I also had a 3ft industrial fan running for a week after the clean and etch.
Performed a moisture test and it past.

I applied 3 coats using a garden sprayer waiting approx an hour inbetween coats. Any less and it was to wet to walk on.
The floor came out great and has been holding up great.
A week or a little more after applying the coating I put my two cars in the garage. I pulled one out for the first time yesterday after sitting for a week. I found the coating bubbled/peeled/and stuck to the tire. A couple drops of oil also stained the coating.

I'm waiting to here back from Justine because I was so excited about finishing my dream garage but this is a major set back.

 

[zio]

Sorry I don't know how to post multiple pics from my phone.

 

[zio]

Another one

 

[zio]

This is the stain from the little bit of oil that leaked.

 

[CombatNinja]

Weird. It almost looks like it didn't cure all the way...

How much product did you put down? As in, how many gallons on what size slab?

 

[zio]

I used 6 1/2 gallons on a 36x24 slab. Justine recommended 7.

 

[CombatNinja]

I used a gallon per about every 120 square feet. You are at a gallon per every 132 square feet give or take. Your prep was certainly more extensive than mine. I am at a loss at what could have gone wrong here. How is the floor in other areas?

 

[CombatNinja]

I want to say that the floor wasn't cured before you put a car on it but you waited a whole week before parking on it so that makes no sense.

 

[indebt]

I've also had some peeling where I think I didn't have enough coverage. Justin said to just rough up area with minimum 110 sandpaper and then just reapply. Also try Simple Green to clean stains. It didn't remove mine but helped diminish them a little. Hope this helps as its just a minor setback and not total disaster.

 

[zio]

I parked the car back in the garage and moved it again today. It left the green looking marks again. It didn't peel up seeing at it only say fora little over a day. My big issue is I have been paying for a storage unit and paying someone to store my cars for months until I could get the floor done. I don't have money to redo the floor or keep everything in storage. The floor looks great except where the tires sir. Every time I move the cars in and out it will get worse.

 

[Cozeep]

Wow, I am really close to purchasing this product and have some concerns as well. What in the earth could be causing that "lift" like that? I'm guessing we will be hearing from Justin come Tuesday. hopefully the two of you can come up with a solution that makes you happy. Does anyone here want to try and take a guess as to what is causing this? Sounds like the OP prepped well, heck some folks are sweeping/mopping and just applying after.

 

[Garage Flooring]

Well I installed TLPPC and something went wrong. I'm waiting to hear from Justine but i need to grind it off. At this point I would just like to go back to bare concrete because I am completely out of money for this garage build. Can I just sand it off so the concrete is smooth? If I don't don't finish this garage build soon my wife is going to kill me.

Good Morning, Just replied to your email too with some additional questions. First and foremost to answer the question that was asked. The diamabrush coatings removal tool or and diamond grinder would remove the TLPPC. The product is very chemical resistant and we have not had luck with strippers.

If that is the route you decide to go, please let me know as it will not make a whole lot of sense to Troubleshoot something you are going to remove.

Tire tracks are something that can happen with any coating and PVC solid surface flooring.

• Causes of Tire Tracks
• Cleaning Tire Tracks

The product coming off the floor has a couple of possible causes. I have sent you an email with some questions so we can try and figure out what the issue is and resolve it. The crux of the issue is going to be (1) did the sealer penetrate (2) did it all come off or did the layers separate and (3) what possible causes of either the coats delaminating or the sealer not penetrating.

 

[tbryant]

My tlppc floor has tire tracks staining also. They won't come up. Justin was nice enough to send me a motorcycle mat but when you're parking 6-8 bikes at a time i'm still getting stains.

 

[naturalgas]

Well that has changed my mind on what to use on my slab. I figured nice and easy, but oh well. I'll have to look at other products.


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[zio]

I will have to say Justin is trying to figure what went wrong and to come up with a solution. That being said this floor is stained very easily. A small spot of oil left for a day appears to be leaving a permanent stain. If we can not figure out a solution it will look terrible after a short time from tire marks and oil stains.

 

[lewis26]

I have to say it: His name is Justin, not Justine.

 

[zio]

You are correct. My phone keeps auto correcting his name.

 

[Garage Flooring]

My tlppc floor has tire tracks staining also. They won't come up. Justin was nice enough to send me a motorcycle mat but when you're parking 6-8 bikes at a time i'm still getting stains.

I will have to say Justine is trying to figure what went wrong and to come up with a solution. That being said this floor is stained very easily. A small spot of oil left for a day appears to be leaving a permanent stain. If we can not figure out a solution it will look terrible after a short time from tire marks and oil stains.

Hey now what is up with changing my name . I landed pretty hard on my mountain bike the other day but I did not think it made my voice that high

I mentioned the other day that tire tracks is not an issue that is unique to any one coating product but is an issue that has frustrated coatings manufacturers across the country. http://www.garageflooringllc.com/2015/03/05/coatings-and-tire-tracking/ was pulled directly from a letter of a major manufacturer of coatings and urethane.

@tbryant was a legitimate issue of tire staining. It has not been something we see a lot of as a company, but it is something you do see on certain tires. Usually soft, high performance ones. I have a track record of taking care of people and it seemed like the coolest way to take care of this project was with another product and we did so at no cost to the customer.

@zio project is a different story. We have seen one other case that was similar, but in that case another sealer had been used prior to application. On this project, the information that we have is that no sealer has been used. We've not had issues with the batch, so we go back and figure out what happened. The manufacturer is on the way here

 

[strutbuster]

Well that has changed my mind on what to use on my slab. I figured nice and easy, but oh well. I'll have to look at other products.


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I have 4 gallons that I was going to put on once I have time to clean and apply but after reading this I'm having second thoughts. The bad thing is I have already bought it.

 

[Garage Flooring]

So holiday weekends, back and forths on a forum, and a systems crash has put me at a bit of a disadvantage when it comes to replying to this post. The manufacturer drove out from CA last night and we got together this morning to look at this issue as well as some new product launches.

I will also say this. The reputation of some manufacturers and distributors in the coatings side of the business makes it so when you ask a lot of questions people think you are looking for ways out of helping them. We fight for our customers tooth and nail, every time. Regardless of fault we always do anything we can to help.

Tire marking is absolutely an issue with coatings. It is NOT something we see a lot of and most of the case there is an alternate explanation. Here the oil stain I was forwarded confirms that. In almost all cases there is an environmental, application, or instructional issue. Fault does not matter. What matters is fixing it!

For this specific application, we know for a fact that the product did not penetrate -- or appears not to have penetrated. The manufacturer noticed something on this picture that I had not seen. Honestly I should have seen it. Working off a tablet right now.



So here is what we need to do. We need to get some of the pulled off material. Don't clean it or do anything with it. Let me know when it is ready and I will have FedEx come get it and bring it to the lab. We also need you to put some duct tape down in the affected area. Press it in, let it sit for a couple of hours and pull it up. If it takes the product with it, we need that too.

Lastly, how does the concrete 'feel' in this area. is it easily scored or scratched?

@tbryant We have something we would like to try with yours as well, give me a call.

 

[zio]

Justin thank you for the very quick work in looking into my problem. Sent you an email with some questions.

 

[Radix2]

It is great you are looking deep into this case.

In reading Zio's posts, it seems that he has been quite diligent in trying to follow the instructions to the the letter, so for those of us looking for this type of product, finding what else to look out for when preparing or applying is essential.

In addition to my main areas, I have some small areas of the same concrete where I can experiment with coatings - is it possible to get pint or quart quantities to try out before committing to the full floors ?

 

[Cozeep]

I agree, thank you for standing by your customers Justin! On that note, I was one of those like Zio who was trying to do everything right in order to ensure that this product worked before applying it, the small area that I tested seemed to "accept" the product, though it was only one coat and I have not driven a vehicle onto it yet. Will be watching this closely prior to making a decision.

 

[Garage Flooring]

It is great you are looking deep into this case.

In reading Zio's posts, it seems that he has been quite diligent in trying to follow the instructions to the the letter, so for those of us looking for this type of product, finding what else to look out for when preparing or applying is essential.

In addition to my main areas, I have some small areas of the same concrete where I can experiment with coatings - is it possible to get pint or quart quantities to try out before committing to the full floors ?

I agree, thank you for standing by your customers Justin! On that note, I was one of those like Zio who was trying to do everything right in order to ensure that this product worked before applying it, the small area that I tested seemed to "accept" the product, though it was only one coat and I have not driven a vehicle onto it yet. Will be watching this closely prior to making a decision.

One coat may or may not seal depending on the concrete. Two coats is good for a test. I am sure we can find a way to do a sample for those who need it.

 

[strutbuster]

Any update to the cause of the problem?

 

[zio]

I sent a sample of the coating from my floor to Justin. I guess they are going to analyze it to see if they can figure out what caused my issue.

 

[vroach1951]

I had the same thing happen today. I had noticed the staining from the tires and had a yellow spot from an oil drip. Today when I took out my car, patches of sealer came off. I've also noticed the floor has yellowed a bit in the 2 months since application. I'm waiting to hear back from Justin too. What product did you receive?

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[Garage Flooring]

Hey guys I am out of the country but we are actively looking at this. The samples were received at the plant and are being looked at. I've got about a 9 hour time difference here and I don't always have access to the net but we have the right people looking at it

 

[Cozeep]

I have 9 gallons standing by waiting to be applied to my 8 month old slab, holding off until we get some news.

 

[HunterDan]

Well put me in line I guess. I sent Justin A pm this morning about my problem, but I might as well share it here as well.

I haven't seen a tire track issue as its only been done about a week and a half and nothing is in there yet. I used it for the first time yesterday to change wheel bearings on my truck.

First, the prep of the floor.

The slab is 6 months old, power trowled. So I power washed and scrubbed with simple green. Rented a Clarke buffer and went over the whole floor with a 80 grit screen. I then power washed and scrubbed again, rinsed well. Let it dry for 5 days. I then proceeded to follow the directions for application, I did 3 coats. Let it sit for 9 days, and that brings us to yesterday.

I had 2 wheel bearings to change, had the truck on jack stands, with 2x8 pieces under them. I wiped the wheels of my jack clean, but they still left marks while lifting the truck, that I cannot get up. I dropped a socket extension, and where it Hit, a small piece flaked off, almost looked like when clear coat peels off a car. I then had a drop or two of loc tite drip Onto the floor. I wiped it off within 15 seconds or so, but the same thing happened, a "layer" peeled off while I wiped it, came off super easy.


So at this point, I think I'm either screwed and will deal with the floor degrading as I use it, or I will have to bite the bullet, and just do epoxy. Which *****, because this product sounded exactly like what I wanted, and at half the price of epoxy.

 

[kemosabe]

Oh-boy! I have 12 gallons scheduled for delivery on Tuesday, and now I am reluctant to proceed with the install. This looked like a great product for my needs, but now I'm not so sure. I would hate the thought of installing the TLPPC only to have to grind it off and replace it. Decisions...decisions.

 

[HunterDan]

Oh-boy! I have 12 gallons scheduled for delivery on Tuesday, and now I am reluctant to proceed with the install. This looked like a great product for my needs, but now I'm not so sure. I would hate the thought of installing the TLPPC only to have to grind it off and replace it. Decisions...decisions.

Yup, wish I would have waited...guess I'll have to see what Justin figures out

 

[strutbuster]

I have 4 gallons waiting to put down, not sure that is going to happen after reading this. Too bad I have wasted my money on it already. Any chance at taking it back Justin?

 

[Cozeep]

For those who are experiencing issues with this product, I have a feeling Justin will have answers sometime in the next few weeks. For those of us who have purchased already, I am willing to bet that some type of resolution will be forthcoming as well. So far my experience with there customer service has been excellent, for all of us on the fence or just waiting/debating to apply TLPPC I have little doubt this company will make it right.

 

[HunterDan]

For those who are experiencing issues with this product, I have a feeling Justin will have answers sometime in the next few weeks. For those of us who have purchased already, I am willing to bet that some type of resolution will be forthcoming as well. So far my experience with there customer service has been excellent, for all of us on the fence or just waiting/debating to apply TLPPC I have little doubt this company will make it right.

I'm sure your right. Justin has been great with me up to this point. Great guy to deal with!

 

[zio]

I agree that Justin has been great working with me on this issue. I just hope the company comes up with a good solution. While it is a more budget friendly product it was still $600. I also have very limited free time and grinding the TLPPC and installing epoxy is going to be difficult to fit into my schedule so I am hoping for a good solution.