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1/4 and pliers. Wobble extensions on the left, standard on the right. M12 long neck and hex driver. Basically anything 1/4 I could need. 5 ratchets in there.

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3/8 and half. Half deep, shallow, tool truck swivels and then lower profile imported swivels. 3/8 swivels, and astro and snap on low profile. I'm thinking of ditching the snap on low profile and imported swivels to the box. The shallow and semi deep are lined up by size. All the 14mm in a straight line back. The deeps alternate impact and chrome, 15mm on the right half, everything above on the left. 4 ratchets, astro stubby, 1/2 accessories. 2 sets of torx, 1 of metric hex, pry bars and such on the side organizers.
 
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Picture time, socket drawers last because I'm a tease.

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Hammers on the side, 3/8 semi deep FDX sockets are mostly for exhaust work.

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Bottom drawer is brake stuff mostly. Caliper depressor tools, air nozzles, etc. I have the astro 6" extended swivels in here, I'm just not really using them. They will likely move to the box.

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Catch all. 4 different test lamps, sticker scraper for inspections, retrieval tools, torch glasses, etc.

I think maybe a reorganisation and a look into the "First Order Retrievabilty" thread might be in order before you spend any serious $$$$, I can see a lot of untapped space in just those few drawers 🙂
 

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Agreed. I thought you said it was getting full. Most of those drawers aren't half full. And I'd bet there are a lot of tools in there that go unused for weeks if not months.
 
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Agreed. I thought you said it was getting full. Most of those drawers aren't half full. And I'd bet there are a lot of tools in there that go unused for weeks if not months.

It's most the the top and 1/4 drawer. The others I work out of smoothly. Removing the big hammer moved thor down into the lowest drawer and filled up a lot of space in there.

The top and 1/4 drawer just feel cluttered and too tight together.
 
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You are the first person I've heard say the mid torque is weak. Perhaps a dud you got...

My buddy has one here too, they're just weak. An astro stubby running 120psi static through a crappy air system is competitive with it.

They're cool for the occasional use, I'm not allergic to air lines like some people. So it really doesn't bother me to just plug in an air impact and have all the power I need.

A mid torque is like a basic 3/8 impact. It -can- do the job. But IMO it really isn't cut out for it if it's hammering for one one thousand two one thousand on every single lug nut.
 
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I think maybe a reorganisation and a look into the "First Order Retrievabilty" thread might be in order before you spend any serious $$$$, I can see a lot of untapped space in just those few drawers 🙂

Densify..... that may just be what I'm looking at in reality.

I was looking at some wrench organizer options last night to attempt to stuff another 10-19mm set in that drawer.
 

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I think densify is the word. Other than then the top I see opportunity in every drawer to gain space.

Personally I pull tools from my main box for each job, I just don't care to be dragging around that many tools all day.
Part of me has always felt safer with my tools in a box than in an open cart not to mention theft of a cart is much easier.
 

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With some better organization you could probably fit all your sockets and extensions in the top till, wrenches and pliers in the first drawer, and go from there.

Organizers can be spendy but useful.
 

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So before I spent a bunch of money upgrading to a bigger box, I would do like many others here have said and do some reorganizing of your current box. Looks like there is a lot of space left in there. I bet you could get all your sockets in the top and even end up with an empty drawer.

I would want that grease out of the top till for sure if that was my box though.
 

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Crowd that **** in there 2ndGear! 😁
 

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I think maybe a reorganisation and a look into the "First Order Retrievabilty" thread might be in order before you spend any serious $$$$, I can see a lot of untapped space in just those few drawers 🙂

Yeah, I was shocked when I saw how much empty space there was there.
 

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Well, I take back what I said earlier about the OP going to partial socket sets to save space as there's lots of open space. OP, you need to reorganize. Look to redwrench's layout for guidance :D You're probably not even using 75% of your available space. The bottom drawer just screams empty, especially since there's ~nothing in there that's appears to be more than half the drawer height.
 
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So before I spent a bunch of money upgrading to a bigger box, I would do like many others here have said and do some reorganizing of your current box. Looks like there is a lot of space left in there. I bet you could get all your sockets in the top and even end up with an empty drawer.

I would want that grease out of the top till for sure if that was my box though.

I gotta have the grease my man. Brakes, fasteners, wheel hubs. Nice and accessible.

Well, I take back what I said earlier about the OP going to partial socket sets to save space as there's lots of open space. OP, you need to reorganize. Look to redwrench's layout for guidance :D You're probably not even using 75% of your available space. The bottom drawer just screams empty, especially since there's ~nothing in there that's appears to be more than half the drawer height.

That's part of my issue. Really nothing I need can be added to that drawer. I've been looking for wrench organizers and moving things around.
 
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I gotta have the grease my man. Brakes, fasteners, wheel hubs. Nice and accessible.



That's part of my issue. Really nothing I need can be added to that drawer. I've been looking for wrench organizers and moving things around.

Your other drawers have optimization opportunities, lots of open space, but the bottom drawer screams empty. When you get the others filled up, and if you need more space, can you buy two shallow drawers and replace it for the one deep lower? Granted, since it's SO, it'll probably be $1200 for two shallow drawers and two rails :ROFLMAO: but when you get to that point you can consider that.
 
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Your other drawers have optimization opportunities, lots of open space, but the bottom drawer screams empty. When you get the others filled up, and if you need more space, can you buy two shallow drawers and replace it for the one deep lower? Granted, since it's SO, it'll probably be $1200 for two shallow drawers and two rails :ROFLMAO: but when you get to that point you can consider that.

The bottom is a 6 inch, the other drawers are 4. Not a lot to be had with swapping drawers in that situation. I'm not sure I could even use a 2" drawer, which is really like 1.75" interior depth.

I have a tray idea for number 4, as well as an idea for the straight die grinders.
 

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The bottom is a 6 inch, the other drawers are 4. Not a lot to be had with swapping drawers in that situation. I'm not sure I could even use a 2" drawer, which is really like 1.75" interior depth.

I have a tray idea for number 4, as well as an idea for the straight die grinders.

most of those drawers look to have 1", or more, of wasted vertical space. You could store a ton more stuff with a few more 2-3" deep drawers. But you are not even to that point yet.

I have a bunch of 2" drawers: screwdrivers, extensions, ratchets, most used pliers lying flat, ratcheting wrenches (to 19mm).....

2" and 3" deep are my favorite.
 

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I gotta have the grease my man. Brakes, fasteners, wheel hubs. Nice and accessible.
Not saying don't have it, just don't have it inside with the tools. I've got a couple magnetic trays that stick on the outside of my box that I keep that kind of stuff in. I use a lot of grease to stick o-rings and other various bits while building pumps, and that stuff does not go in my toolbox. Antisieze and Loctite outside too. I don't want to spill a tube or tub of goop inside my toolbox and have it all over my tools for the next forever.
 
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most of those drawers look to have 1", or more, of wasted vertical space. You could store a ton more stuff with a few more 2-3" deep drawers. But you are not even to that point yet.

I have a bunch of 2" drawers: screwdrivers, extensions, ratchets, most used pliers lying flat, ratcheting wrenches (to 19mm).....

2" and 3" deep are my favorite.

I'm not really chasing vertical space, perhaps I should have made my goals more clear.


Additional density without clearly visible and intuitive boundaries and "homes" for things are chaos for me. The 1/4 drive drawer is a great example of this. Additional density leads to a critical problem in that drawer, in which I return either the hex driver or the cordless ratchet, they catch on something, and prevent a drawer closing. To me this is both a time loss and a "RESET" button in my brain where my direct path between items has been stopped and now I need to "think" to react and correct this.

I grab a tool, use it, toss in drawer, next tool, drop it, next tool, drop it, back to tool #1, drop it. I don't like to have tools sitting out on a work surface unless they're being used repetitively enough to warrant it. For instance in the previous example, 10mm swivel on M12 ratchet pulls all the bolts accessible, they're separated and returned, now the pry the valve cover off. I don't typically leave the M12 with the swivel attached waiting for the next action, the two are split and returned. So when I need the 10mm swivel again for a different tool or the same tool, I KNOW where it is and don't play the "is it on the 2ft extension, or the ratchet, or whatever" game. This also means I clean my tools up as I go, so there's never a pile of tools needing to go home. They're just automatically returning home.

That's why I like the 4" drawers. Air hammer can get thumped in the drawer, doesn't matter if the bit got laid down on top of the impacting ratchet, drawer still closes. I usually don't see the drawers close, I'm typically pulling one open while knocking the other shut so drawers getting stuck open make my eye twitch. I know, I'm a whiner.


Not saying don't have it, just don't have it inside with the tools. I've got a couple magnetic trays that stick on the outside of my box that I keep that kind of stuff in. I use a lot of grease to stick o-rings and other various bits while building pumps, and that stuff does not go in my toolbox. Antisieze and Loctite outside too. I don't want to spill a tube or tub of goop inside my toolbox and have it all over my tools for the next forever.

I'll look through the slots/dots catalog for another holder. Just the space, 3x6", is worth while. Perhaps they could be hung off the hammer holder I made.
 

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Understand, but this wasted vertical drawer space is leading to a huge loss of storage in the same size box with a few more shallower drawers.

But again, you're still nowhere close to optimizing your square inches of what you have now. You need to organize.

Look at how much **** Redwrech has stored in his shallow drawers :ROFLMAO: . He's your role model for your quest!
 

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Interesting. Glad I asked for pics. I’m a little surprised by what I see.

From your initial post I was curious about what a pro might have and need day to day such that he can’t make it all fit in one of the biggest carts on the market. I was excited to see tools I didn’t have.

What I see instead is the opposite. Warning: No criticism, no tool shaming. So much respect for @2ndGearRubber. This is just a fan boy, wanna be, amateur‘s reaction to a legit pro’s box:
  • Pretty poor use of space.
  • The basic layout of the box doesn’t make sense to me. I always felt SO did an outstanding job of sizing drawers to fit their tools in a sensible way. Not getting that from this box.
  • I see an awful lot of what looks like redundant hex sockets, and very few specials. Where are the swivels, the stubby torx, swivel torx. Where are the goofy huge allens for German car drains?
  • I see an ungloatable pile of similarly sized ratchets. That makes no sense. Surprised I don’t see more diversity.
  • Would have guessed we’d see more dedicated 1/4” ratchets with 8 and 10mm sockets, more custom and special stuff, hose clamp pliers, brake tools, stuff you ground down. Stuff you use to go faster. I really just see basics, kinda poorly stored.
Not a criticism. My advice is to get some storage ideas from the threads here or YouTube. I agree with your goals. I think you just need help with your vision. Don’t buy a new box! I fear you’d regret it. I’d almost consider new drawers. If it were me, I’d make ‘em different colors to speed up access.

Some old pics of my stuff:
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I’m with you on blank spaces. This is NOT an efficient use of space. Only 1/2” drive is top left and a few misc bit sockets. And there are some sockets missing like O2 sensor sockets etc. But the variety here is what I have found essential, and what I’d expect to see (have seen) in pros boxes.


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Top of my cart just has junk in it. Total waste of space, but I had my reasons at the time. I’ve seen these with all the sockets above crammed into this space, magneted on to the sides, wrenches under the lid, a ”one stop shop” for most tools.

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Socket and ratchet drawer in my roll cart. (I keep my impacts with my guns). This is just the basics, a high speed kit. I can easily lift the end of this little cart to get over air hoses, or curbs.
 
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Interesting. Glad I asked for pics. I’m a little surprised by what I see.

From your initial post I was curious about what a pro might have and need day to day such that he can’t make it all fit in one of the biggest carts on the market. I was excited to see tools I didn’t have.

What I see instead is the opposite. Warning: No criticism, no tool shaming. Just a fan boy, wanna be, amateur‘s reaction to a legit pro’s box:
  • Pretty poor use of space.
  • The basic layout of the box doesn’t make sense to me. I always felt SO did an outstanding job of sizing drawers to fit their tools in a sensible way. Not getting that from this box.
  • I see an awful lot of what looks like redundant hex sockets, and very few specials. Where are the swivels, the stubby torx, swivel torx. Where are the goofy huge Allen’s for German car drains?
  • I see an ungloatable pile of similarly sized ratchets. That makes no sense.
  • Surprised I don’t see more diversity. Like dedicated 1/4” ratchets with 8 and 10mm sockets, more custom and special stuff, hose clamp pliers, brake tools, stuff you ground down. I really just see basics poorly stored.
Not a criticism. My advice is to get some storage ideas from the threads here or YouTube. Don’t buy a new box. From what I see, I think you could go smaller and lighter. I sort of like the traditional roll cars with the exposed tray under them for funnels, grease guns rags etc.

Some old pics of my stuff:
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I’m with you on blank spaces. This is NOT an efficient use of space. Only 1/2” drive is top left and a few misc bit sockets. And there are some sockets missing like O2 sensor sockets etc. But the variety here is what I have found essential and what I’d expect to see (have seen) in pros boxes.
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Top of my cart just has junk in it. Total waste of space, but I had my reasons at the time.

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Socket and ratchet drawer. I keep my impacts with my guns. This is just the basics, a high speed kit. I can easily lift the end of this little cart to get over air hoses, or curbs.


Very much so, poorly organized I agree. I just bought some wrench organizers.


All the specialty stuff lives in the box. I don't need swivel torx, torx plus, triple square, hose pliers, etc in a cart. It simply isn't common for me and I can grab an extra rail or an XZN12 specifically if I need one. Swivel impact in 1/2 I have two sets of, one in 3/8. I don't typically need chrome outside of 1/4 which I do keep a few sizes of. If I need to remove a hose for instance, I'm either vacuum filing or using a funnel afterwards. Thus applicable hose tools are gathered and brought with the filling tools, along with buckets/drip pans.

Today I needed the "real" tool box for: 3 different torque wrenches, 24" extension, Power steering pulley puller, 15mm 3/8 chrome universal, 2 different 16mm wrenches, and O2 sensor socket, oil pressure socket, and 2 scan tools. This was a high use day for the "real" tool boxes.

Most everything can be produced with the stuff in that cart. I consider the tools within it just basics for A-B remove and replace. Anything more complicated comes from the box. I don't like keeping custom tools in the cart as they're typically very specialized. Same deal for something like universal torx sockets. I can usually use the low profile torx on a wobble extension, thus I rarely need them.


Theoretically one should be able to pull most any engine with what's in that cart, minus a special tool or engine cradle/crane.
 

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Looking at your box I agree you have space that can be improved. One area that sticks out is your extensions, I do the same thing that you do, a big pile. I think that if you put the 3” and smaller ones on a rail, and got an organizer of your choice for the longer ones you could be just as efficient with grab and go, but also free up some space to repurpose as your cart evolves.
 

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BTW I appreciate all the opinions and thoughts on this from everyone. This is very valuable to have fresh eyes on things.

How secure is your shop?

Could you move less valuable but high use tools and equipment to organizers mounted on the outside of the box.

I get why toolboxes with drawers are popular, but I think If I were to build another tool cart it would be a mostly open cart with lots of vertical storage and mag-rails so I could just grab each tool from a "holster" as required.

For security I would just wheel it into a home made "docker-locker" at the end of the day (I think Snap-On actually sold such a set up at one time).
 
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How secure is your shop?

Could you move less valuable but high use tools and equipment to organizers mounted on the outside of the box.

I get why toolboxes with drawers are popular, but I think If I were to build another tool cart it would be a mostly open cart with lots of vertical storage and mag-rails so I could just grab each tool from a "holster" as required.

For security I would just wheel it into a home made "docker-locker" at the end of the day (I think Snap-On actually sold such a set up at one time).

I'm not sure they make the docker-locker anymore. I remember looking into one, but the supplied cart that fits inside was kind of small.
 

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I'm not sure they make the docker-locker anymore. I remember looking into one, but the supplied cart that fits inside was kind of small.

Yep, the Snap On version was like a 2/3rds size roll cart, but I would just make one to fit a bigger roll cart and make it double up as a workbench for good measure, it was a great idea spoiled by the dimensions of the tool boxes it had to integrate with.
 

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I bought a Macsimizer cart, bigger then the snap on and much better built too 1000005289.jpg
 

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How is it much better built?
I think the Mac uses a thicker gauge steel on the drawers, comes with 2 power bars, the side rails to add accessories as well. It helps it's 40x24... Perfect size. The new ones also have the heavy duty spring casters like you get on the big boxes. Don't see that on many roll carts if any
 

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I think the Mac uses a thicker gauge steel on the drawers, comes with 2 power bars, the side rails to add accessories as well. It helps it's 40x24... Perfect size. The new ones also have the heavy duty spring casters like you get on the big boxes. Don't see that on many roll carts if any
That is the biggest thing missing from roll carts IMO. For something thats supposed to roll around ALL THE TIME to not have springloaded casters when basically stationary big tool boxes usually do... seems to miss the point of the roll cart.
 
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