Big work push for Memorial day weekend-Water Lines.

[930dreamer]

I have an excavator reserved over the Memorial day weekend to run some more water lines to the shop and house. I'm guessing a poly type 1" line is the correct line to use, what do you recommend? I'm thinking the run will be less than 250'.

 

[Renegade1LI]

I would use at least 1 1/4" or 1 1/2", that's a long run, it's always better to go a little bigger to reduce pressure loss.

Charts for Determining Water Pipe & Meter Sizes

www.plumbingsupply.com

 

[reader2580]

Poly is what is used for the water line from my well to the pressure tank in my basement. I am pretty sure it has been in use for 40 plus years.

It seems pretty last minute to not have selected the type and size of pipe less than a week before the work is to be done. What if you couldn't get the pipe right now due to supply issues in your area?

 

[dcg9381]

I have an excavator reserved over the Memorial day weekend to run some more water lines to the shop and house. I'm guessing a poly type 1" line is the correct line to use, what do you recommend? I'm thinking the run will be less than 250'.

I ran 250' to the house. I used 2" PVC. Based on charts, minimal pressure drop. Check what type of lines you need for that length.

 

[Daniel Dudley]

You should bury that pipe in sand or else sleeve it. I bought 300 feet of 1" pipe, and put it in 4" drain pipe down below the frost line. I found 1" to be plenty and ran out at least 200 feet. We have a lot of clay and small rock here, so I was happy to sleeve it. Never thought of it again until this moment. Would have been happy putting the line in sand, It's one or the other.

I don't do this very often, or know a lot about it, but around here you sleeve it or put it in something soft. FWIW, I have dug up solid copper pipe that a rock had worn a hole right through, so it happens. It is a major pain to have to find and fix a leak or have to run a new pipe.

 

[Hghgrad]

I ran 3/4” pex 200’ to my barn and it’s plenty sufficient for the farm duties. I’m sure the requirement for a house is substantially more.

 

[930dreamer]

It's 245' from the begin of my shut off to the outside water box to the house. 500' of Pex A 1" is $522.

 

[MattN03]

I ran 3/4” pex 200’ to my barn and it’s plenty sufficient for the farm duties. I’m sure the requirement for a house is substantially more.

I did the same to my shop for a wash sink and an outdoor faucet. It's worked fine and I have good water pressure. I hooked up my 2400 PSI pressure washer last night at the shop and ran it without an issue as well.

I did put the 3/4" PEX inside 1.5" conduit to protect it from rocks on our property (solid limestone shelf in places).

 

[nh_yota]

Don't bother with PEX - just use black poly irrigation pipe.

 

[pcmeiners]

Pressure loss calculator.....

Calculator: Pressure Loss through Piping for Water | TLV - A Steam Specialist Company (North America)

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I am for 1 1/4" to 1 1/2" pipe size.

 

[Copymutt]

Don't bother with PEX - just use black poly irrigation pipe.

Just don’t use it for potable.

 

[Renegade1LI]

This is what you should use if you want to do it correctly, it should always say for potable water.

https://www.menards.com/main/plumbing/pipe-fittings/polypipe-fittings/1-1-4-sdr-9-250-psi-blue-ultra-potable-water-poly-pipe/59330/p-1444431563166.htm

 

[NUTTSGT]

Don't bother with PEX - just use black poly irrigation pipe.

Just don’t use it for potable.

As long as it's NSF 14/61 compliant, it shouldn't be a problem.

I do like the idea of running it in a tile for a sleeve in rocky ground.

 

[sjvicker]

I just ran about 1000' of this stuff in 1" and 1.25" 160PSI for my water system https://www.homedepot.com/b/Plumbin...yethylene-Pipe/100-ft/N-5yc1vZ1z18i3sZ1z112x3

I didn't run it in a sleeve or sand but my ground is mostly rock free clay.

250' with an excavator and a 1ish' frost line should be a fast dig if you're not on rock.

 

[930dreamer]

I picked up 1" Pex because the other line I ran is 1". The 20" main water line is on my property and will make a garden hose whip in the air.

 

[930dreamer]

High 90's this weekend, perfect time for outdoor labor.

 

[930dreamer]

I dug 240' today and placed the Pex into the ditch, just can't get the Pex clamp to clamp

 

[930dreamer]

How should I protect water line shutoffs? I'm at the tail end of installing a new water line to my vacation home ha ha. I'd need it accessible and freeze proof? Would this work?

 

[Yankee2bbq]

Yes. That will work

 

[mike93lx]

That box will give you access and keep the valve clean. Not sure how cold it gets in your area though, and it may be just enough protection. It definitely isn't enough around me though. Irrigation lines and valves need to be blown out

 

[930dreamer]

I'm told 18" is the frost line and I'm digging to 36", this will be the main water line to the house. There's several other shutoff's but this will next to the house. We've seen -10 temps this last Winter..

 

[mike93lx]

I'm told 18" is the frost line and I'm digging to 36", this will be the main water line to the house. There's several other shutoff's but this will next to the house. We've seen -10 temps this last Winter..

But that cover is used at the surface, so the depth of the line doesn't matter.

If you get away with stuff at the surface, then this should be fine.

I'm used to shutoffs being way below the surface if they are left in service year round

 

[930dreamer]

Yes I'd bury this meter box at valve depth 36". Old line to house at top new one below.

 

[mike93lx]

Yes I'd bury this meter box at valve depth 36". Old line to house at top new one below.

So no riser?

 

[930dreamer]

So no riser?

No, teeing off this line with a ball valve to house and on the other end it's going to a hydrant.

 

[mike93lx]

No, teeing off this line with a ball valve to house and on the other end it's going to a hydrant.

If no riser, I don't think I would bother with a $50 irrigation control box. Their whole point is to give easy,clean access to a valve that needs it. Maybe I am missing something.

If it is 36" below grade, the enclosure won't matter for freeze protection

 

[930dreamer]

If no riser, I don't think I would bother with a $50 irrigation control box. Their whole point is to give easy,clean access to a valve that needs it. Maybe I am missing something.

If it is 36" below grade, the enclosure won't matter for freeze protection

Box is more for finding the valve if need be!

 

[mike93lx]

Box is more for finding the valve if need be!

Hey, if it is what you want to run, send it. It's just a non-standard application. I'd want access to a shut off valve, so I'd run a riser, though.

 

[930dreamer]

I understand, trying to crimp Pex in the ditch doesn't work with a 12" bucket cut. Falling back and regrouping. Wonder what this pipe went to? Riser details if you can please. The Pex memory on this cut off is killing me. Meter box won't work for this application. Rental excavator trailer has a flat tire......

 

[mike93lx]

Haven't done a lot of looking, but septic risers are one option, although they cost hundreds.

For water service, a municipal agency would install a valve that can be operated with a long tool and the valve would be in a casing of maybe 8" diameter. A little hard to use a ball valve like that though.

Maybe a piece of 2-3' diameter plastic culvert?

 

[930dreamer]

Super and thank you!

 

[mike93lx]

I'm not jealous...digging *****, regardless of how much equipment you have. Good luck with it

 

[930dreamer]

I called the game, limped home with a slow leak on the trailer. I'm tired and my sweet wife smoked three racks of ribs, poppers are in the oven, potatoe salad and cream corn awaits all 12 of us for dinner.

A huge part on the water run is finished, just need to finish the line to the house and the hydrant at the end of that line. Will have to be sorted by October.

 

[Renegade1LI]

We usually use 12" drainage pipe, cut out over pipe & place a cover on top like the one in the link.

12" Cover for Corrugated Pipe

Our 12" heavy duty cover is designed to fit all pipe sizes with a 12" diameter. This cover is manufactured in the United States using structural foam.

drainagedirect.com

 

[930dreamer]

It had a 4' diameter galvanized drain pipe type barrel in the ground but I needed it gone to dig out that area plus it didn't survive to excavator removal.