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OCR - you snagged the Elusive first gen design! and for definite USUCK price! WELL DONE!

Did you get all 4 blue bench dogs?

Looks like you need some feet...

I got mine last year with 4 blues!

Thanks Outlaw, The type E came with 5 dogs....but only two were blue. Also it is missing two screw adjust rubber feet. I'm pretty sure I can come up with functional feet replacements but am not expecting to find originals...it would take a real expert on workmates to notice the difference. I'm surprised it is in as good a shape as it is as the PO did not appear to appreciate what he had....The type E was living in his front yard on a busy street for who knows how long and he had to fish the other one out of the back yard. Ed.
 
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Oregon -- the type E is definitely my favorite. The two best features? As you said, it weighs less so it's much nicer to move around. Also, the front feet pivot out entirely to the sides so I don't trip on them as often as I do with the other models!

The worst thing about the type E? Cleaning the rust out of the steel liners in the dog holes! I see from the photos that you have some work to do there.

And then there's the difficulty of finding proper feet. I had to buy two type Es in order to get one complete set of feet.
 

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Also it is missing two screw adjust rubber feet. I'm pretty sure I can come up with functional feet replacements but am not expecting to find originals...it would take a real expert on workmates to notice the difference.

It looks as though it's missing six of the original feet. It would have had eight, four for each of the two height setting, and I can only spot two in the photos. The four front feet (two for each level) were non-adjustable, press-in feet that often fell out and got lost. The four rear feet (two for each level) were threaded adjustable ones.
 

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It looks as though it's missing six of the original feet. It would have had eight, four for each of the two height setting, and I can only spot two in the photos. The four front feet (two for each level) were non-adjustable, press-in feet that often fell out and got lost. The four rear feet (two for each level) were threaded adjustable ones.

You're right wolf, I am missing all of the lower height feet as well as two of the adjustable. The holes for mounting the lower height feet are not on the legs like a type 1 and I didn't spot them at first. I doubt I have enough luck to find another one for parts though like you did so I'll come up with some meerly functional feet for the time being. Ed.
 

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The holes for mounting the lower height feet are not on the legs like a type 1 and I didn't spot them at first.

The holes for the lower height feet are in pretty much the same location for types E, 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5. They're in the four corners of the base of the unit, not on the legs. The base of the type E has different construction than those other types, but the feet for the lower height are basically in the same place.

The type 6 and 7 have the feet for the lower height on the legs themselves, not on the base.

And, by the way, the second one you got this week looks like a type 4. Is it marked under the jaws?
 

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I guess you're right on the location of the lower height feet wolf. All I really had to go on was the one I picked up with the box last week which I'm pretty sure is a type 1 and those feet are on the legs. On that 2nd one the bottom of the jaws shows more weather damage than the top and I couldn't find the stamping under those jaws. Thanks for the info though and it probably is type 4. No aluminum on it at all but somehow there is not much rust on it either. Ed.
 

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I guess you're right on the location of the lower height feet wolf. All I really had to go on was the one I picked up with the box last week which I'm pretty sure is a type 1 and those feet are on the legs.

Okay, I see the cause of the confusion.

The one you have the box for is a different model, the 79-004, not the 79-001. So yes it is a type 1, but it's a 79-004 type 1 which is very different than a model 79-001 type 1.

And -- how's this for crazy -- the closest match in overall design and components to the 79-004 type 1 in the 79-001 lineup is the type 4!

The main distinguishing feature of the 79-004 (and apparently the reason Black & Decker gave it a different model number) is the power outlet. None of the 79-001s had the power outlet.

Yeah, it's hard to keep all of this straight
 

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Thanks Wolf, now that makes sense....I think. You're right how confusing it can be keeping track of only a few models. Must be really tough trying to decipher 40+ years of all the different models and features. I sure do appreciate you're expertise on the workmates and am grateful for your comments and insight. Ed.
 

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the closest match in overall design and components to the 79-004 type 1 in the 79-001 lineup is the type 4!

After checking some more, I see now that this is not the whole story. The 79-004 type 1 shares more features with the 79-001 type 6 than with the type 4. These would include the one you mentioned -- the rubber bumpers that mount on the surface of the leg and act as feet for the lower height setting. It would also include plastic latches to release the top and fold it down, as well as the style of feet used for the taller height.

The 79-004 type 1 is not as common as the various 79-001 Workmates, although it's not really rare either. I would guess it was probably priced higher, because of the electrical outlet, so perhaps it didn't sell very well. I've seen a number of 79-004s and every one of them was a type 1. That might go along with it not selling very well, so perhaps they discontinued it before it had a chance to evolve into a type 2, 3, etc. as the 79-001 did.

If anyone has a 79-004 with a higher type number, I'd love to see pictures.
 
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Wolf,

The risers look exactly the same to me. Cast aluminum held on by one bolt to the aluminum adjuster screw housing and two bolts to the top. Really appreciate your insight into the history of these tools.

Well, I'm out of ideas about the difference between these two of yours. I'm especially puzzled by the difference in weight. If the one is only 27 pounds, it's almost as light as the all-aluminum spider-leg original model.
 

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Well, I'm out of ideas about the difference between these two of yours. I'm especially puzzled by the difference in weight. If the one is only 27 pounds, it's almost as light as the all-aluminum spider-leg original model.

I really think that the gauge of the steel is what is different. I’ll try measuring that again.
 

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After checking some more, I see now that this is not the whole story. The 79-004 type 1 shares more features with the 79-001 type 5 and 6 than with the type 4. These would include the one you mentioned -- the rubber bumpers that mount on the surface of the leg and act as feet for the lower height setting. It would also include plastic latches to release the top and fold it down, as well as the style of feet used for the taller height.

The 79-004 type 1 is not as common as the various 79-001 Workmates, although it's not really rare either. I would guess it was probably priced higher, because of the electrical outlet, so perhaps it didn't sell very well. I've seen a number of 79-004s and every one of them was a type 1. That might go along with it not selling very well, so perhaps they discontinued it before it had a chance to evolve into a type 2, 3, etc. as the 79-001 did.

If anyone has a 79-004 with a higher type number, I'd love to see pictures.

Great info on the 79-004 details wolf. I kind of doubt the electrical outlet on them influenced many buyers if that was the main difference either but it is kind of neat that B&D floated the idea in a "new" model. I'm learning quite a bit more about the various workmates and this site is about a good as it gets for a classroom. There is the type study spreadsheet out there and I've looked it over but it leave some gaps. Thanks again. Ed.
 

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Yes, having the type study information (spreadsheet and photos) available was a huge help. I probably wouldn't have started on this in such depth without that. However, there are some errors in it where they were making some assumptions and guesses.

The other huge help is the parts diagrams from Black & Decker.You have to study them for quite a while, and you have to know what to look for, but there's a tremendous amount to be found there as well.

And finally, just having the Web in general, with sites like eBay and Craigslist where you can look at photos of lots of different models.
 

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Two different B&D well used. One basic and one more elaborate but both work fine.
 

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Picked up a couple more of the WM bench clamps yesterday. missing the plastic inserts for the holes in the jaws though. unlike the bench dogs, these are flattish on top with a rectangular hole for the clamp bar.

If anyone has or see any loose, I'm interested... Had no luck at all on Ereplacement parts...


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Picked up a couple more of the WM bench clamps yesterday. missing the plastic inserts for the holes in the jaws though. unlike the bench dogs, these are flattish on top with a rectangular hole for the clamp bar.

If anyone has or see any loose, I'm interested... Had no luck at all on Ereplacement parts...


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I passed on quite a few of those clamps because they didn't have the inserts before I finally found a complete set at an estate sale. AndyL should start making them...

Tommy
 

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After a dry spell it's been raining work mates around here.


This one looks pretty nice but the seller wants $50 and "says" the top is MDF?

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Going to look at these tomorrow, seller wants $20 each. Guessing I could bundle if I found two that were nice.

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Jon S - the first one looks like a 79-001 type 4, and since it has the aluminum H-brace then it would probably have the particle-board/MDF top, as the seller says.

In the second photo it's much harder to tell the types.

The one in front appears to be a 79-001 Type 7. This is based on the combination of single-layer jaws, steel latch levers, and the bumper type of lower-height feet.

The middle Workmate there could be a pretty rare 79-001 type 1. The main distinguishing feature of the type 1 is that no part of the steel frame is painted. Instead it has bright plating on those parts, possibly cadmium. On the one in the middle, the legs and lower frame look like they could be bare metal, making the type 1 likely. The plated parts of the type 1 were also more prone to rust than the painted parts on the other types, so the rust visible on the middle one could also indicate a type 1.
 
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I passed on quite a few of those clamps because they didn't have the inserts before I finally found a complete set at an estate sale. AndyL should start making them...

Tommy

What does a "complete set" look like? Any pics of what's missing from Outlaws set?

Thanks!
 

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Here is a boxed "set"

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Not sure if the dog/sockets came in other colors, but if they do, probably in black...

IMO you really want more of those than the clamps for ease of use...
 

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wolfcj; thanks for the info. I like the condition of the first one but the price of the other three! Because I have not yet found a good way to store them or hang them on the wall, I am hesitant to buy more.
 

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I suggest 3D printing...

That is a great idea. I took one from my "boxed set":

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And made a sketch in caveman CAD. It's in metric because Workmates are metric beasts which made measuring easier:

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Hopefully someone with a 3D printer will give it a go. There is some serious draft in the rectangular hole to be aware of. The metal post on my gripmate is almost exactly 5/16" x 1/2" (.312 x .500).

Some pictures of the adaptor:

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Thanks for making me feel like I HAD to have one of these! At least I got it for free! unfortunately I still feel like I NEED and aluminum one!
 

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After casually looking for a WM for a couple years, I stumbled on this one at the flea market today for $15. Seems to be in very good shape aside from missing the push in grips. I can finally use the NOS Grip Mates I picked up a couple years ago.
 

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I recently came across a Mitremate 79-012 Mitre & Saw Guide at an estate sale and thought some here might like a brief look at how to set it up. Unfortunately, the one at the sale did not come with a manual. However, I owned a Mitremate with my original Workmate in 1977, and still remember the basics. See the attached photos, with a genuine period-correct B&D circular saw for demonstration purposes.

There are two main pieces - a sled that holds your circular saw, and the track that is clamped into the Workmate and which the sled runs in. There are also six small pieces of hardware used to mount the saw to the sled - two saw-alignment tabs and four saw-clamping clips. (Those are my names for them; B&D probably calls them something else.) There are multiple slots in the sled so you can position the hardware where needed for your saw.

The clips are shaped sort of like a "P" and have a type of wingnut. The tabs are flatter with just a small lip and use a standard nut. The reason for the difference is that for a given saw you only attach the tabs once and then never need to move them. The wingnuts on the clips let you remove the saw easily for other uses. When you reinstall it on the sled, the alignment tabs make sure you get it back in the right position.

One clip attaches to one of the lengthwise slots at the front of the sled and one at the back. The other two clips and the two tabs go in the crosswise slots along the left side of the sled.

The initial saw installation is a little tricky, and I don't remember if the manual gave a specific technique that makes it easier.

You start with the tabs. Place the saw on the sled with the blade safely overhanging and parallel to the right side of the sled. Slide the tabs against the left side of the saw baseplate and tighten them down to establish the sideways position of the saw. At this point, the saw is not actually attached to the sled.

Then you attach the four clips in whichever slots work best and slide them into position, tightening them to clamp the saw baseplate. The position of the saw along the length of the sled isn't particularly critical; it has much more leeway than the sideways position.

Now it is mounted, but you have to check the alignment of the blade with the edge of the sled again. I always find it out of alignment. So I have to loosen the clips, loosen at least one of the tabs, move it as needed, and tighten everything up again. Check the alignment again and repeat until it's right. If you don't get the blade parallel to the direction of travel, the cut will be rough and could even kick back.

To use it, set the mitre arm on the track to the angle you need. Open the jaws of the Workmate about 4" to fit the brackets on the track, place the track between them as shown, but don't clamp it yet. Take the board you want to cut, lift the track up and slide the board underneath it, so the track balances on it. Now tighten the jaws firmly to clamp the track. (It actually works best if there is an additional 1/32" or so clearance for the track above the workpiece, which you can achieve by using a piece of cardboard or something similar as a spacer.)

As long as you're working with the same thickness of stock, you don't have to change anything. If you switch thickness, you should reset the track in the jaws to just clear the new thickness
 

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A little to add for miter pics from past posts:

I hoped I had a PDF of the instruction manual but, no...

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I've been looking for a work table. I have one of the smaller WMs, $5 at a yard sale. It's ok. Saw a new workmate type table at Lowes, but it was $99 and I just didn't see the quality - maybe i was wrong. Reading a bit of this thread, and about the WMs inventor had me curious.

I haven't been going to my local thrift for some time, prices are too high and I'm not cheap. Stopped in today and grabbed this 29" 79-001 Type 8. Appears to be in VG to excellent shape. $35. Condition is important to me and the picture is just as I bought it. I haven't even taken the previous owners sawdust off it!. I didn't steal it, but am happy if it serves my purpose. I took the 4 pushers from my smaller WM and put them on there now.

Thanks for a great thread and info
 

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Thanks. Honestly, I'm not sure what to do, as it's a little bigger, with regards to being stored, then my area can handle. I just don't have much room to work with.
 

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Up on a wall perhaps?

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Man. If the wife will share her wall that could work. The ceiling is only 7.5’, and she has the animated Halloween monsters on her side already. What we need is a shed! I bought this house long before I had the sense to look for flat ground. So many nice features with the house and it was what we could afford, but if I could go back I’d look for a different setup.
 
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