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Here's another non-OEM thought:

I'd like to make this Workmate a rolling tool stand. I've seen people make a wooden tray on locking casters to accomplish this. But those are usually the more modern Workmates with the non-adjustable feet.

If I could find rugged locking casters with the correct threaded posts, why couldn't I just bolt those directly onto this Workmate's legs without building the wooden tray?

Something like this:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07H91NHHT/?tag=atomicindus08-20


Well, I decided to order the casters from Amazon linked above so that I can try bolting them directly on my WM625's feet.

The design of this guy's plywood cart is nice in that it allows you to step up to the Workmate without having the cart get in the way of your feet and legs:

https://www.lumberjocks.com/projects/271882

That's a great solution for people with Workmates that don't have adjustable feet. But since the WM625 does have threads for adjustable feet, I'm thinking that bolting the casters directly to the feet will be an elegant solution.

I'll let everyone know how it works next week. :thumbup:
 
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The 1975 advertisement that I posted on 12/30, message #1329, shows a Type 1. The most readily visible characteristic feature is the five dog holes (rather than four) along the edges of the jaws where they meet. You can also see the solid rectangular cast aluminum blocks that connect the wooden jaws to the upper frame. A little harder to see is the cone-shaped rubber feet. None of those would be found on a Type 2.

Mine does not have the solid blocks .. must have been very short lived once they started to make in numbers.

Mine: Part plastic handle -- 4 holes along the top jaw area -- galvanized upper parts -- not painted. Cast AL "H" frame. Gray painted base

Must have been summer of 75 when we tried to get the all AL .. it took a couple of months for them to come back in stock.
 

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Well, I decided to order the casters from Amazon linked above so that I can try bolting them directly on my WM625's feet.

Depending on your height and what you use the Workmate for, the increase in the height of the work surface provided by the casters might also be a benefit.
 
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Mine does not have the solid blocks .. must have been very short lived once they started to make in numbers.

Mine: Part plastic handle -- 4 holes along the top jaw area -- galvanized upper parts -- not painted. Cast AL "H" frame. Gray painted base

Yes, all of that is perfect for a Type 2.

To me the upper parts on these seem to be plated, not galvanized; I've seen it suggested that it's cadmium. This seems right to me because of how shiny the parts in question look on a Workmate that has been well preserved. It looks almost like a silvery paint but doesn't scratch off. I don't think galvanizing ever looks that shiny.

The Type 1 has this treatment on all of the steel parts of the frame (upper, lower, and legs), while the Type 2 has it only for the upper two vise brackets and the side stays.
 

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Be careful! If this goes much further, it could become a collection...
Too late...

In addition to the 79-001 Type 2 for $20, I picked up an older steel version for $10 (that I gave to my son-in-law), and a 400 Type 4 for $10.

It's strange that two of the three I bought were discounted because they wouldn't fold. More precisely, the owner's didn't know how to fold them. :headscrat

I'm looking for a matching 79-001 Type 2 and then I'll put both on lockable casters for ease of movement around the shop.
 

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I sold 4 a couple of years ago (3 200's and a 400) including 2 I bought new. The one I have that is newer was a freebee after I sold the 4, and only picked up for the extra large work surface.

I collect enough stuff - I'm not collecting these..
 

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Flipping through TV channels, stopped on Magnum P.I. from 1982. Watched for a few minutes and came upon a scene where a character was using a Workmate! It was the TV-tray type, possibly a 79-003 or maybe a 125. He had a board clamped between dogs and was sawing through it with what was apparently a pretty dull hand saw. They came back to the same construction site a little later with the Workmate visible again. The episode was called Heal Thyself.
 
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sgoldste01

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Well, I decided to order the casters from Amazon linked above so that I can try bolting them directly on my WM625's feet.

The design of this guy's plywood cart is nice in that it allows you to step up to the Workmate without having the cart get in the way of your feet and legs:

https://www.lumberjocks.com/projects/271882

That's a great solution for people with Workmates that don't have adjustable feet. But since the WM625 does have threads for adjustable feet, I'm thinking that bolting the casters directly to the feet will be an elegant solution.

I'll let everyone know how it works next week. :thumbup:

Just installed the casters, and I think they'll work well.

Height from the floor to the top of the WM's work surface is 33.5", which I think will be nice as a rolling tool cart for my surface planer. I suppose if that's too high, then the casters can be screwed into the lower leg positions too.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07H91NHHT..._mAYhEbCTJQDA6
 

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Just installed the casters, and I think they'll work well.

Height from the floor to the top of the WM's work surface is 33.5", which I think will be nice as a rolling tool cart for my surface planer. I suppose if that's too high, then the casters can be screwed into the lower leg positions too.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07H91NHHT..._mAYhEbCTJQDA6

Thank you. I was about to pull the trigger and order a set to try on mine, but I held off waiting for you to test first.
 

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First of all, B&D's Type numbers use Arabic numerals, not Roman numerals. I suspect that perhaps when they assembled the spreadsheet they had not seen enough different examples at that point to realize that, so they used their own terminology.
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Apologies, this thread slipped off my radar, as I typically only read the Tools -General and Vintage Threads. Subscribed now.

Anyway, to clarify Wolfs comment, we were well aware of the numbering system, as noted in the Model line of the spreadsheet The Roman numerals came out to differentiate the confusion around the Type 4, as we had both a Cast H and a Stamped steel H, both with Type 4 stamped under the top. The switch was to clarify our noting the difference between the Types.

As Wolf has noted elsewhere, there are models which have features of multiple types, looking at the discontinued dates at the top, you can see that a few are only months apart, so unused inventory being used for the next type is not too surprising.

Finally, I just noticed on my newest find, undocumented on the uploaded version, that it has a different hold pattern than most others. More later.

Will try to catch up to other missing questions over the next few days.
 

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Just installed the casters, and I think they'll work well.

Height from the floor to the top of the WM's work surface is 33.5", which I think will be nice as a rolling tool cart for my surface planer. I suppose if that's too high, then the casters can be screwed into the lower leg positions too.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07H91NHHT..._mAYhEbCTJQDA6

Nice job, I hope it works well for you. It does seem to me however it would make the whole WORKMATE slippery and defeat the purpose of having the stability of the WORKMATE base. BUT, i'll be glad to watch and learn.
 

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Nice job, I hope it works well for you. It does seem to me however it would make the whole WORKMATE slippery and defeat the purpose of having the stability of the WORKMATE base. BUT, i'll be glad to watch and learn.

That's why I selected locking casters. Works great!
 

sgoldste01

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Just installed the casters, and I think they'll work well.

Height from the floor to the top of the WM's work surface is 33.5", which I think will be nice as a rolling tool cart for my surface planer. I suppose if that's too high, then the casters can be screwed into the lower leg positions too.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07H91NHHT..._mAYhEbCTJQDA6

And here it is with the tools installed, ready to do some work!
 

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2020 has been a good year for WorkMates so far. I finally scored a cast model to go with the two WM400 I have. And then a Bench Top WM a week later.

I have to snap some decent pics of the rest...
 

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Here's a question about a little-known, short-lived, feature of the early Workmates.

How many of your Workmates have little plastic "frame protectors" (my name for them) as shown in these photos? They are found on the lower edge of the two upper frame pieces on each side that hold the vise screw assembly. They are about 1-1/2" long, made of a soft gray plastic and just slip on, held only by the springiness of the plastic. On the Workmates that have these, I have seen as many as four installed (two on each side), down to as few as one. They come off pretty easily, so I think that four was probably standard and that lots of them have since fallen off and been lost.

If your Workmate does have them, what model and type is it? I have only ever seen them on the 79-001 Type 2, so I have a theory about them. The Type 2 was the first North American Workmate to have a painted frame. When folded for storage, the upper and lower frames contact each other slightly. My theory is that the company was worried about wear to the paint from this contact, so added these for protection. After using them on the Type 2, they decided they were unnecessary and eliminated them. So I'm wondering if anyone has them on an earlier or later Type.

I considered that maybe they were only intended for protection during shipping, so the customer's new Workmate didn't arrive with chipped paint. I've never seen them mentioned one way or another in the instruction manual, or depicted as "for shipping only" or some such thing, so I'm not so sure about that.

The first photo is with the Workmate opened up, looking at the outer side of the upper frame piece. The second is with the Workmate collapsed, now looking at the inside view, showing how the "protector" keeps the frame pieces from touching. The third photo is of a different Workmate, showing how each side was fitted with two of these protectors.
 

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If you're on Facebook, and able to drive to LaGrange, Indiana, there's a huge bargain on a Workmate 79-001 Type E!
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/543826252870622/

It looks covered in dust, but could be in great shape underneath. It has all the dogs, and nothing looks obviously broken. It looks as though half of the feet are missing, but that's pretty normal for the Type E.

And $15!!!!!!

The seller confirmed that it's still available, and says it's all working.
 

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So I am not sure how to post pics but got one of the old style units for 25 bucks. I also saw a slightly used 550 for 60 bucks. I was missing some of the plug clamps for the top so I saw a link in this post(thanks) and ordered replacements. Already in and there you go....
 

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Here you go JP:

Posting pics 101:

Start from the "Go Advanced" posting menus, or the "Post Reply" button near the bottom of any page, (Or hit the "paperclip" button to get to the upload popup); and at step 5 copy it into the URL field after hitting the "postcard" button: (Step 4/5 is optional; you will still have thumbnails)

attachment.php
 

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Found this in the garage last week.* Mitremate No 79-012 type 1. I've never used it and I don't think the previous owner did either. Maybe I'll set it up and make one cut to see how well it works.

I bought this in the late 90's or early 2000's at a yard sale. The seller was offering it for free if someone could tell him exactly what it was. Most of the guys knew it was to cut miters with a circular saw, but no-one made the Workmate connection. I picked it up for a few bucks just for the metal/parts and then moved it around the country until finally burying it in the garage for a decade.

*[The Mitremate had fallen off a shelf and was behind some lumber stacks. The garage is multi-purpose (wood shop, auto shop, metal shop, gym and house overflow) and had deteriorated into a jumbled mess of tools, materials and household items. I am cleaning out and organizing the garage so I can actually work on projects inside again. I should start a thread on the garage redo to keep me on track.]
 

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wolfcj

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You can find instructions for using the Mitremate at my new web site dedicated to the Workmate 79-001.

The Mitremate page is at:
https://h-frame.weebly.com/mitremate-79-012.html

I've called the site "H-frame", and the main page is here:
https://h-frame.weebly.com

The site isn't quite complete, and I wasn't going to announce it for a week or so, but since it answers this most recent request about the Mitremate, it seems like a good time.

You'll see there are pages that cover various subjects regarding the early Workmates, but the heart of it is the Type Study page, along with the Type Identification flow chart. They are at:
https://h-frame.weebly.com/workmate-79-001-type-study.html
and
https://h-frame.weebly.com/type-id-flowchart.html

Of course I'm looking for feedback on the site, and contributions of photos, scans, etc. that might fill in some missing areas. Thanks!
 

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It was one of the first gifts my parents gave me after I had my own place. It doesn't get used very often, usually lives folded up next to my bench, but when I need that extra space, or a workbench upstairs or in the yard or driveway, there it is!
 

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Amazing that there is so much love for the simple workmate here.
European here so my models / type's may differ.


Here is a picture of my collection thus far:
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=978914&stc=1&d=1582053997
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=978915&stc=1&d=1582053997
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=978916&stc=1&d=1582053997


The left one, which i have inherited, was gifted to my grandfather by my mother, and is used and abused mainly by myself.
I want to restore that one completely, its an WM625 type E 03 made in Ireland.

The other one, i thought it was a decent type 5, but it seems to be a cheaper mix between a type 4 and 5.
When i find a decent replacement i'll probably going to sell it.

Currently looking at a WM625 type E 04, does anybody know the difference between the 03 and 04?

Chris
(From the Netherlands)
 

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The WM625 Type E03 is very similar to the E02 that was sold in the U.S. as the 79-001 Type 3. However, the feet on yours are nothing I've ever seen before; someone must have replaced them.

The one on the right is not the same as any U.S. model. It has the early aluminum H-frame, but all eight feet appear to be non-adjustable.

We never had the Type E04 here, but I've seen photos of them on the web, and they look just like the Type E03 to me.
 
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Hey Chris, since you are a bit closer to the source than I am, can you see how this guy is doing?

https://rndproductietechniek.wordpress.com/

I emailed him a while back (2018), and have not heard anything since. He said drawings were finished, and hoping to go into production. I was hoping to score a bunch for family and friends, but nothing so far.
 

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That's funny, I left him a comment just a couple of hours ago! I saw your old request there as well. If he actually has parts available, I was going to add a link for him to my site.
 

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The WM625 Type E03 was sold in the U.S. as the 79-001 Type 3. However, the feet on yours are nothing I've ever seen before; someone must have replaced them.
Haha yes forgot about that, i'm a tall guy so i replaced the standard feet with swiveling feet with a bit more thread to raise the Workmate.
The old feet are worn out just like his:
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8293533&postcount=1364
The one on the right is not the same as any U.S. model. It has the early aluminum H-frame, but all eight feet appear to be non-adjustable.
Yea, because it had the alu H-Frame i thought it was a homerun, but indeed the feet are non-adjustable, plastic handles and plastic holding clips for the feet, and sheetmetal jaw mountingblocks.

We never had the Type E04 here, but I've seen photos of them on the web, and they look just like the Type E03 to me.
That's what i thought as well, thanks
 

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Hey Chris, since you are a bit closer to the source than I am, can you see how this guy is doing?

https://rndproductietechniek.wordpress.com/

I emailed him a while back (2018), and have not heard anything since. He said drawings were finished, and hoping to go into production. I was hoping to score a bunch for family and friends, but nothing so far.

Hmm, so far as i can see, it looks like that the company is out of business unfortunately
 

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Great thread! Been perusing it for a few weeks but I haven't seen (or maybe missed) the Single Height Workmates I have in my shop. All from Northern California garage sales over the last decade and half or so. I have two of the single height versions. one of the plastic crank handles was replaced with an aluminum window crank handle and works a treat.

The third one has 4 folding legs that take it from Low table height to Saw horse height. I've never seen these anywhere else (and I'm a little surprised I've accumulated 3 of them!)
 

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Nick those are commonly known as the "TV Tray" style. Personally I'm not a fan but the stuff and way I work would have those dumping over right and left.

Unusual that you found so many in the WM brand for sure.

The sole advantages are they are Lighter, and smaller foot print.

The main disadvantage is that smaller foot print. It is just not as stable as the bigger stance and higher weight of the more common WMs.

That said in the right use case, probably fine. I had a knock off someone gave to me - I passed it on...
 

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The one with folding legs looks to be a 79-009 model from the early 1980's. If you go to the Documents page of my unofficial Workmate web site, http://h-frame.weebly.com, check out the "1982 Black & Decker catalog excerpt" to see the 79-009 along with its siblings. The site is devoted to the 79-001 Workmate, because it is the iconic, and best-selling, original U.S. model, but I'm trying to include a little about related models.
 
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TV Tray style! I love it! Haven't found them to be tippy the way I use them, often as assembly tables and tool stands. I almost walked away from the second one at $20, then considered I might never see another one.

Thanks for the link to the catalog insert, Never saw any reference to this style. I love them, the light weight and convenient (for me) height.
 
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