Blast Cabinet dust Vacuum

[alan camby]

Guy's I have a Cyclone brand 28x36" blast cabinet.
I have always used my craftsman shop vac with it but I am always cleaning the filter.

I see that TP tools has blast cabinet vacuums for $269. What is the difference between a Craftsman/Shop Vac (brand) and a cabinet vacuum.

If you click on the link and look at the second picture, It looks like a Craftsman/Shop Vac filter to me. Am I missing something. Point is will it work any better than a $100 shop vac?
http://www.tptools.com/VAC-40-High-Efficiency-Vacuum,3283.html?b=d*8035

I have a fancy non-stick filter in my vac and dust and abrasive still sticks to the filter. TP claims their filter is non stick?

I have looked at the 5 gallon buckets of water conversion that some do. Maybe I will do something like that too???
I want to make my Craftsman a dedicated shop vac and get something that is a dedicated blast cabinet vac.

So do I spend big bucks for a fancy cabinet vacuum, or is the shop vac just as good?

I am not interested in the $1000 + dust collection systems that TP has on their site. If I need that for my health, I will just wear a respirator. Cabinet is just for hobby use. If I was doing it full time, I would order their best dust collection system.

 

[FFRKing]

I have a 24x48 Cyclone pressure pot blast cabinet and use their DC1500 dust collector. It has a large canvas bag in it that acts as a filter and I can go for many hours of blasting before I have to clean it.
I bought it used 4 years ago and don't know if the TP system is better or not.

http://www.cycloneblasters.com/dustcollectors.html

Chris

 

[22george]

If you are interested in building one, look at "Thein dust collectors" here and on youtube. I made one and it works great. I also put a HEPA filter on my shop vac.

 

[txvwnut]

I use my shop vac with a Vortex cyclonic type separator between it and the cabinet. The filter still gets dirty but nothing like it did without the vortex.

 

[Pathfinder]

This is what I would do. Cheap and effective.







John Minton

 

[PCO6]

Here's my cabinet with the vacuum system underneath...
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This is lid that I installed on the plastic pail ...
http://www.busybeetools.com/products/dust-collection-cyclone-cover-small.html

The pail has about 3 inches of water in it. The dust enters the pail and being heavier than air it falls into the water and stays there.

 

[Matt M PA]

I've had the TP Vac 40 for probably 20 years. Updated it 7 years ago with the better filter upgrade, etc. Still working great.

I can't comment on the other set-ups shown here...but the TP vac has been very good for me with no issues. Plus, with TP parts are available.

 

[G19Tony]

I've had the TP Vac 40 for probably 20 years. Updated it 7 years ago with the better filter upgrade, etc. Still working great.

I can't comment on the other set-ups shown here...but the TP vac has been very good for me with no issues. Plus, with TP parts are available.

That's good to hear. I have a TP cab and vac on the way.

 

[Falcon67]

The vac is a $20 item from Target. When it get's trashed I'll toss it over the back fence and go buy another. Pulls hard enough to yank the gloves off the stubs.

 

[12ozd]

Don't know how much blasting you guys do, the TP vac-40 that I had lasted about 1 year.
Complete POS for the money. I was very disappointed in it.
I have since gone w/ "dust bucket" set up and a cheap shop vac.
Probably not the best set up, but works for now.
Hope you have better luck w/ the vac -40 than I did.

 

[OccupantRJ]

I built my own dust extractor.

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=121914

 

[rancherbill]

Alan that looks like a built-in vacuum. The link that FFRKing has two models, one of which is a built-in vacuum.

One of the cyclonic devices might give you the run time you need.

 

[alan camby]

Alan that looks like a built-in vacuum. The link that FFRKing has two models, one of which is a built-in vacuum.

One of the cyclonic devices might give you the run time you need.

I am thinking of going with a second shop vac and the Dust Deputy. The DD is kind of expensive for what it is but if it works, it will be worth it.
I read some of the reviews and questions on amazon. I hope it will hold up to abrasives spinning inside of it? If I do the DD, I will get the $49 unit and use my own bucket, $50 extra for a bucket and some casters seems crazy.

I like the water bucket ideas but not the maintenance that comes with it. My cabinet is in the barn and I would have to dump it at night or use antifreeze.

 

[Rickster55]

That's good to hear. I have a TP cab and vac on the way.

You won't be sorry! I love mine!



To the OP: I have that same vac and have had no problems.

 

[lasthope05]

I never thought about using a bucket of water as a prefilter. I've always connected it straight to the shop vac. I must try this.

 

[6768rogues]

I use a shop vac and dump the stuff into a barrel. Then I screen it and use it one more time outdoors in the large pressure blaster for stuff too big for the cabinet.

 

[Slackerzinc]

I have one of these dust deputy's on my blast cabinet/central vac set up, absolutely no dust gets by it. I have been checking the vacuum container and no dust/dirt gets to its. I am pretty impressed with it.

Alan that looks like a built-in vacuum. The link that FFRKing has two models, one of which is a built-in vacuum.

One of the cyclonic devices might give you the run time you need.

 

[ngonerogwu]

I just switched over a couple weeks ago from a modded HF cab using a water trap bucket system to a Skat 960 and vac40.

I used a bucket head style vac for the water trap. It was loud. Like.. really, really loud. The vac40 is WAY, WAY quieter.

My water trap would do an excellent job of not allowing dirty exhaust in the shop. The vac40...ehh. Not so much. Its not bad, but it needs a filter on it's outlet, or really plumbed outside.

Cleaning is just absurdly easier on the tp tools vacuum. The water trap setup was a pain, had to hose out and wipe wet media out of one bucket, the other one just hose out. The water would freeze occasionally too.

And do your original question, whats the difference? The TP setup is meant to do this, and it does it well, with not a whole lot of intervention on your part. The constant maintenance of my water trap got real old.

 

[Heavymetalmechanic]

A lot of heavy trucks and equipment use cyclone pre-separators. If you have a heavy wrecker near you it's worth grabbing one cheap. I'm waiting for a chance to snag one to toss on the cabinet at work to prefilter before the barrel canister.

 

[torqueman2002]

I have one of these dust deputy's on my blast cabinet/central vac set up, absolutely no dust gets by it. I have been checking the vacuum container and no dust/dirt gets to its. I am pretty impressed with it.

Another vote for this model DD and TP DYI blast cabinet.

They are the right combination for my home shop, at a reasonable price.

 

[Camper]

I use the Dust Deputy also....works great

 

[bigsteve2011]

My cabinet is in the barn and I would have to dump it at night or use antifreeze.

I built one of the water filter buckets and use windshield washer fluid in it.

I also have a cheap air line cooler as well that is just about 10' of copper tubing wrapped inside a bucket with quick disconnects attached. I'll fill it with water, (or could use washer fluid) and ice during summertime to help cool of the air coming into the blaster. The only problem with adding ice to the cooler bucket is that it will dilute the washer fluid and raise the freezing point.

 

[NUTTSGT]

I'm just a small Cman shop vac, like Chris, when it dies, I'll just buy another one. I have mine vented to the outside through a roof vent.

 

[the spyder]

Alan that looks like a built-in vacuum. The link that FFRKing has two models, one of which is a built-in vacuum.

One of the cyclonic devices might give you the run time you need.

I did this and love the results. No dirt/dust exscapes my ~30 year old Snap-On blast cabinet. I intially made the mistake of thinking I would need a large vacume, so I connected up our 5hp 16 gallon craftsman. Sucked the lid down hard enough you can't open it with the vac on. Ooops.

 

[PCO6]

I just switched over a couple weeks ago from a modded HF cab using a water trap bucket system to a Skat 960 and vac40.

I used a bucket head style vac for the water trap. It was loud. Like.. really, really loud. The vac40 is WAY, WAY quieter.

My water trap would do an excellent job of not allowing dirty exhaust in the shop. The vac40...ehh. Not so much. Its not bad, but it needs a filter on it's outlet, or really plumbed outside.

Cleaning is just absurdly easier on the tp tools vacuum. The water trap setup was a pain, had to hose out and wipe wet media out of one bucket, the other one just hose out. The water would freeze occasionally too.

And do your original question, whats the difference? The TP setup is meant to do this, and it does it well, with not a whole lot of intervention on your part. The constant maintenance of my water trap got real old.

This surprises me. By "bucket head" do you mean like the one I use (post #6)? Mine's not loud at all and I've never had a cleaning problem.

The cabinet is clear and very little dust and no water makes its way to the shop vac. With mine the intake tube to the cabinet doesn't go below the surface of the water like some do. Mine is virtually maintenace free. I dump and replace the water occassionally but that's about it.

Just curious.

 

[Burl]

This surprises me. By "bucket head" do you mean like the one I use (post #6)? Mine's not loud at all and I've never had a cleaning problem.

The cabinet is clear and very little dust and no water makes its way to the shop vac. With mine the intake tube to the cabinet doesn't go below the surface of the water like some do. Mine is virtually maintenace free. I dump and replace the water occassionally but that's about it.

Just curious.

Got a drawing of how this works? Thanks.

 

[PCO6]

Got a drawing of how this works? Thanks.

Burl - I don't have a drawing or any photos but if you look at post #14 by DekeT in the thread below it is very similar to mine. The semi straight pipe under the lid (mine is straight) goes to the blast cabinet and the 90* fitting goes to the to the vacuum. The straight pipe sits a few inches above the water.

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=159702&highlight=sandblast+cabinet+vacuum

 

[Anarius]

I have this: http://www.harborfreight.com/blast-cabinet-reclaimer-kit-60739.html

It works fairly well. Has held up to (light) daily use for about two years. I just pull the filter out every now and then and smack it around until its clean.

 

[alan camby]

Here is the new setup, a used vacuum and a Dust Deputy. The DD is the $49 kit where I supply my own bucket.

This is inside of the DD bucket after 20 minutes of using the cabinet to strip paint from a piece of angle steel.
The vacuum canister was cleaned with a damp rag beforehand. I saw no dust in the vacuum canister.
The Filter was brand new. It was no longer bright white like it was when I started, so some is getting through.
https://scontent-dfw.**.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11045436_658942257571036_6860520100255375462_n.jpg?oh=4a6ab4881dc6b6f022ea3c2a31b51877&oe=55B663B3

 

[Jvvmusme]

Guy's I have a Cyclone brand 28x36" blast cabinet.
I have always used my craftsman shop vac with it but I am always cleaning the filter.

I see that TP tools has blast cabinet vacuums for $269. What is the difference between a Craftsman/Shop Vac (brand) and a cabinet vacuum.

If you click on the link and look at the second picture, It looks like a Craftsman/Shop Vac filter to me. Am I missing something. Point is will it work any better than a $100 shop vac?
http://www.tptools.com/VAC-40-High-Efficiency-Vacuum,3283.html?b=d*8035

I have a fancy non-stick filter in my vac and dust and abrasive still sticks to the filter. TP claims their filter is non stick?

I have looked at the 5 gallon buckets of water conversion that some do. Maybe I will do something like that too???
I want to make my Craftsman a dedicated shop vac and get something that is a dedicated blast cabinet vac.

So do I spend big bucks for a fancy cabinet vacuum, or is the shop vac just as good?

I am not interested in the $1000 + dust collection systems that TP has on their site. If I need that for my health, I will just wear a respirator. Cabinet is just for hobby use. If I was doing it full time, I would order their best dust collection system.

http://toolguyd.com/shop-tip-5-gallon-bucket-diy-fine-dust-collection-trap/