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Bleeding brakes: Which tool will bleed all the air out?

I have tried 2 man brake bleeding and the Grioto's Garage Multi-Fluid Extractor which ***** the brake fluid out but the pedal is still not firm.

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Which Motive Power Bleeder works on 2000 and up Hondas? Is it kit 0119?

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D-I-Y video on how to bleed brakes using the Mityvac MV6840 Pressure Bleeder:

 
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I have found that 2 man bleeding is the best ! Some cars have to be running for vacuum to the booster.

I am going to try the "original" one man bleeder (hose from bleeder screw into the bottom of a bottle, BELOW the brake fluid level in the bottle).
 

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What kind of car? I use the vacuum bleeder all the time with little issue. Pressure bleeder takes time to get out.

Sometimes you need 2 man bleeding
 

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And I'd you installed new calipers/wheel cylinders make sure they aren't upside down
 

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If you are replacing calipers, hoses, lines, etc. , get a pedal depressor and press your brake pedal about 1 to 1 1/2 inches before beginning. Less fluid loss. Do job, gravity bleed in very short time, most of the time.
 
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I use the bleeder attachment from my mityvac vacuum pump with a tube going into a jar. The rare occurrence that doesn't work I find that nothing else will work but two man bleeding.
If two man bleeding isn't working for you than I would say you're either doing it wrong or you're missing something causing the air to get in. You might check the seals at the back of the master cylinder. I've seen them go bad and then the brake fluid leaked directly into the brake booster. There was a TSB and Warranty Recall on mid 2000s nissan cars for that.
 

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I have a pressure bleeder and love it but I have used a vac bleeder with same results. The vac bleeder has more uses such as small engine oil changes and works great of read diffs fluid removal. For the $50 the pressure bleeder goes for it can't hurt to have both.
 

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I've done pretty much all the ways. They all work one to different degrees. Honestly if it's my own vehicle, I like installing the one way bleeder screws. You crack them loose and pump the brake. Fluid blows out of those things.

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ive bled brakes and done complete flushes easily with it. i **** all the old fluid out of the reservoir with a baster or something first. then use 5 or 6 pumps at each wheel, you get all new fluid and no air, quality system. takes maybe 10 minutes of actual fluid work to flush brakes completely (then add in time for cleanup, tires, etc.) i've had lots of issues with brake bleeders that pull vacuum pulling lots of air in through the threads on the fittings, so you never know if it completely empty of air or not, with this, it's pretty easy to do it even without watching for bubbles, you can see what you're putting into the system, no bubbles in = no bubbles out
 

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2 man method works damn near all the time unless you get air int he abs system of some vehicles. Keep on bleeding, either your doing it wrong or there is still air trapped in the system.
 

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Bleeding brakes: Which tool will bleed all the air out?

I have tried 2 man brake bleeding and the Grioto's Garage Multi-Fluid Extractor which ***** the brake fluid out but the pedal is still not firm.

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Do you have a rear load equalizer, in the brake line or something in the ABS, that has a bleeder?

If these still have air, the system will never pump up.
 
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I have a track car and bleed brakes a LOT. motive power bleeder works great.
 

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A scanner. Some vehicles require a scanner activated air bleed from the abs pump. Not sure what you are working on...

I prefer 2 man. If I am alone, hose in the bottom of a bottle, or my mittvac hand pump. Jut put a tiny amount of grease on the outside edge of the bleeder screw threads. Reduces vacuum leaks. Don't contaminate the fluid with it though ;)


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The best method I've found is the 2 man deal with someone pumping the brakes. I've tried many other tools, but never found one that worked as well as this.

That said, I also have a Mityvac and it works decently well. It does pull air past the threads as mentioned which makes it hard to tell when they are fully bled, but it does seem to get most of the air out. If you don't have air in the system this tool works great for flushes and is way faster than doing it the 2 man way.

What I generally do when bleeding them is use the Mityvac until I feel like it may have most of the air off. Then I go behind and check them the old fashioned 2 person way.
 

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What kind of car? I use the vacuum bleeder all the time with little issue. Pressure bleeder takes time to get out.

Sometimes you need 2 man bleeding


^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^

I've never had a problem using my Mityvac vacuum bleeder, including on ABS brakes. Fast and easy and you don't need any one to help.
 

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I've done pretty much all the ways. They all work one to different degrees. Honestly if it's my own vehicle, I like installing the one way bleeder screws. You crack them loose and pump the brake. Fluid blows out of those things.

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I've installed SpeedBleeders on all my cars and my trucks. They work great and a guy can easily bleed the brakes with no assistant.

http://www.speedbleeder.com/

I have used a homemade pressure bleeder which works well but I am now a believer in speedbleeders. Nothing to hook up other than a hose on the bleeder ****** (after installing the bleeders), crack the bleeder and pump the brake pedal yourself.

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I am using the 2 man brake bleeding method on a Honda Element. I can get the air out then the pedal is real firm but after I start the car, the pedal is no longer firm and brake pedal is spongy.
 
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I have gone back and bleed again 3 times to the point where the pedal is rock solid. But after I start the car, the pedal is no longer firm and brake pedal is spongy.
 

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Occassionaly we will get a vehicle in that has hydraulic brakes or air over hydraulics. I perfer the two man method hands down. However if doing work on your own, i would swing for a pressure bleeder over vaccume.
 

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I have the motive pressure bleeder. The pressure bleeder was able to force out a trapped air pocket in the rear brake lines on my brothers Nova. We converted the Nova over to 4 wheel disc brakes and could not get a firm pedal. We bench bleed the master numerous times. We started using the two man method, but the pedal just did not get firm. I went home and came back with my Motive bleeder. I attached the pressure bleeder, pumped it up to 15psi, and a couple seconds after I opened the bleeder valve on the right rear caliper the trapped air came out. I think they are worth the cost.
 

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A scanner. Some vehicles require a scanner activated air bleed from the abs pump. Not sure what you are working on...

I prefer 2 man. If I am alone, hose in the bottom of a bottle, or my mittvac hand pump. Jut put a tiny amount of grease on the outside edge of the bleeder screw threads. Reduces vacuum leaks. Don't contaminate the fluid with it though ;)



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Scanner, lol. Sliding on gravel will do that for you too.
 

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Well, this is going to piss-off a lot of people.

1. Vacuum bleeding *****. I've done it using a Mity-Vac, but not for twenty years. I gave up on it. You need to seal the bleeder screw to the wheel cylinder or you'll never know when you're done. The vacuum ***** air around the threads of the bleeder screw, or past the wheel cylinder cups, so there's ALWAYS air coming through the hose. Remember that wheel cylinder cups are designed to seal the fluid IN, they're not designed to seal air OUT. In normal use, they never see a vacuum.

2. Reverse-injection bleeding *****. It ***** twice as hard when you buy some expensive tool to do it. All you need is to PUSH THE CALIPER PISTON(s) BACK INTO THE CALIPER. Of course, drum brakes are going to require some sort of special tool. The problem with reverse-injection bleeding is that it can only be done on a clean system or you're pushing contaminated fluid back through the ABS valving and the master cylinder. The fluid at the wheel cylinder (including caliper) is probably the most-contaminated fluid in the vehicle. So first you're bleeding in the regular direction, to get clean fluid into the caliper, so that then you can push it backwards? Friggin' crazy. The only time this makes sense is when the system is totally empty and clean. And THEN, you still have to bleed in the normal direction to finish the process, because the bleeder screw is always higher than the hose leading back to the master cylinder, and so you'll leave a bubble in the wheel cylinder unless you final-bleed out the bleeder screw. Does "Phoenix" tell you this?

3. Motive Products and other "pressure bleeders" that are some variation of a garden-sprayer don't have a diaphragm to separate the fluid from the air. As a result, the humidity in the air pumped into the "pressure bleeder" will immediately contaminate the brake fluid. Garden-sprayer bleeders are a poor solution--and it's not like they're inexpensive.

4. "Two-man" bleeding is a waste of labor. There's no reason on Earth that automotive brake bleeding should take two people, unless one of them is a Victoria's Secret model, and the other just likes to look up her skirt from under the car when she pumps the pedal. Overall, not a bad plan. It always ends with lots of pumping, but then you have to go back and work on the brakes.

5. I have no experience with "Speed Bleeders", I don't have any problems with the following two methods. "Speed Bleeders" just seem like an additional, un-needed expense.

6. Gravity bleeding takes no special tools, requires little set-up and take-down time. Does not waste fluid. Takes a long time to actually do the bleeding, so I reserve this method for when I'm doing minor work at/near the wheel cylinder.

7. Pressure bleeding with a diaphragm-style bleeder requires an investment in equipment, considerable set-up and take-down time, but the actual bleeding goes like lightning. I reserve this method for fluid flushes, extensive work, or work at/near the master cylinder.

For the record, I have NEVER had to "push the pin" on a metering/holdoff/combination valve to get fluid flow to the front wheels. Yes, the service manual says you have to do this. No, I've never actually needed to, and I've pressure-bled a bazillion cars over the years.

8. If you've bled the system once, thoroughly, you probably have an air pocket at the master cylinder, because the master cylinder is tipped "up" in front. You can bleed until the end of time and never pop that bubble out of the angled master cylinder. This is common as dirt. Raise the back of the vehicle to drop the front of the master cylinder, or remove the cylinder from it's mount WITHOUT removing the brake tubing. Push the front of the master so it's angled "down" just a little--and tickle the master primary piston while watching the "geyser" in the compensating port(s). As soon as the master is tipped "down" in front, the bubble should release into the reservoir provided there's a little fluid movement back and forth.
 
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2 person or pressure bleeder (Motive and DIY garden sprayer) has always worked for me... 1 man when doing my motorcycles ;)
 
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