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Bob, I do think your chain saw does need some TLC, that said isn't it nice to do it on a clean work surface.
Well done.
Well done.
Between 485 & 705 SQ/FT Bob Heine's Auto Emporium
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Steve, apologies for my delay replying. I repaired the chainsaw without making a huge mess and was on the way out to finish the trimming when my wife told me to leave it as it was. She plans to put a plant in the "romantic" hollow branch.Bob, I do think your chain saw does need some TLC, that said isn't it nice to do it on a clean work surface.
Well done.
oldironfarmer
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The chain saw gear teeth were just worn on one side, can't you TIG weld them up?
The vaporization of the task requirements reminds me of one of my truths: It is best to volunteer and not be needed.
That bench looks eerie.
The vaporization of the task requirements reminds me of one of my truths: It is best to volunteer and not be needed.
That bench looks eerie.
The more I shuffled things around in the shop, the more frustrated I got. One of the annoying bits in the shop is the 12-inch compound miter saw on the stand. The saw fits under the bench OK but the stand blocks the corner, making it hard to reach the cabinets, use the Craftsman vise and takes up way too much valuable space. The challenge is to open up space under the bench somewhere else. I chose to move two file cabinets from under the bench next to the doorway to free up that less than useful corner. First thought was to move it to the space where the saw is but that kills the space in the corner under the bench. That space is accessible if the things stored there can be rolled out easily.
Well lookie here, there's a sheet metal stand under my radial arm saw that makes little sense and has been difficult to level with the benches on either side of the saw table (the benches are at exactly the same height).
After measuring a few dozen times I determined a 2x4 structure would hold up the saw and the file cabinets would fit perfectly underneath.
I have a very poor lumber storage solution. I don't keep many long pieces of construction lumber and those are stored under the bench on the far left up against the back wall. After moving the generator, old gasoline pressure washer and a whole stack of short pieces of two-by lumber, I found the pieces long enough for this project. The lumber pile on the floor wasn't a problem because I moved the generator, pressure washer, sand blast wagon, air tank and a few other items out of the shop. Before I finished for the day it started raining and I had to move it all back in (with the piles of wood still spread out on the floor). It made me quite ill to work in there. It rained the next three days so I made very little progress.
Disassembling the sheet metal RAS stand freed up space so I could use the 10-inch miter saw to cut up and throw away a bunch of wood scraps (have to bag them and put them in the trash can). I re-stacked the lumber under the bench, put the generator and pressure washer back and slid the file cabinets into their new location. It's a giant leap backward because the stuff stored under the RAS has had to find new homes. I also discovered a bin full of "stuff" that I hid in the corner under the bench and forgot about. I won't be needing to buy wire or boxes for quite a while but it took almost a week to sort and store all the "stuff." None of that work shows. The bench tops are cluttered once again but it shouldn't take as long to clear them off as it did the first time.
With the 12-inch miter saw and stand out of the way it is starting to make sense. The space it used to occupy has two carts that used to be parked in front of the stationary side of the doorway (it opens but there's always stuff stacked up in front of it). The flimsy cart that was under that corner got moved to the space formerly occupied by the file cabinets.
I put some casters on my new strut spring compressor and it parks in front of the cart full of scrap buckets (steel bucket, copper and aluminum bucket, PVC bucket and hardwood bucket). Those buckets also used to reside in front of the door and were not mobile (handy to get to but always in the way). The long stuff that wouldn't fit under the bench is still against the door but that will eventually change as well.
Behind me when I took that last picture there's a lot of stuff that needs attention. I found a spot under the bench on the right where I could hang the electric chainsaw (right next to the 10-inch miter saw's new location). Still have to find a spot for the gasoline chainsaw....
The upright vacuum cleaner may look out of place but it makes vacuuming the floor a whole lot easier than my shop vac. I want to get a small shop vacuum for the sandblast cabinet so the 5-gallon one can be put to better use. Actually it's such a poor excuse for a vacuum I should replace it with one that can do double duty as part of a dust collection system.
I have created a new problem. I used to know where everything was (OK, everything but that bin full of "stuff). Now I'm going to have to pull up a chair and assume Rodin's Thinker pose. It doesn't always work but I try to remember where I was and what I was doing the last time I used that tool....
Well lookie here, there's a sheet metal stand under my radial arm saw that makes little sense and has been difficult to level with the benches on either side of the saw table (the benches are at exactly the same height).
After measuring a few dozen times I determined a 2x4 structure would hold up the saw and the file cabinets would fit perfectly underneath.
I have a very poor lumber storage solution. I don't keep many long pieces of construction lumber and those are stored under the bench on the far left up against the back wall. After moving the generator, old gasoline pressure washer and a whole stack of short pieces of two-by lumber, I found the pieces long enough for this project. The lumber pile on the floor wasn't a problem because I moved the generator, pressure washer, sand blast wagon, air tank and a few other items out of the shop. Before I finished for the day it started raining and I had to move it all back in (with the piles of wood still spread out on the floor). It made me quite ill to work in there. It rained the next three days so I made very little progress.
Disassembling the sheet metal RAS stand freed up space so I could use the 10-inch miter saw to cut up and throw away a bunch of wood scraps (have to bag them and put them in the trash can). I re-stacked the lumber under the bench, put the generator and pressure washer back and slid the file cabinets into their new location. It's a giant leap backward because the stuff stored under the RAS has had to find new homes. I also discovered a bin full of "stuff" that I hid in the corner under the bench and forgot about. I won't be needing to buy wire or boxes for quite a while but it took almost a week to sort and store all the "stuff." None of that work shows. The bench tops are cluttered once again but it shouldn't take as long to clear them off as it did the first time.
With the 12-inch miter saw and stand out of the way it is starting to make sense. The space it used to occupy has two carts that used to be parked in front of the stationary side of the doorway (it opens but there's always stuff stacked up in front of it). The flimsy cart that was under that corner got moved to the space formerly occupied by the file cabinets.
I put some casters on my new strut spring compressor and it parks in front of the cart full of scrap buckets (steel bucket, copper and aluminum bucket, PVC bucket and hardwood bucket). Those buckets also used to reside in front of the door and were not mobile (handy to get to but always in the way). The long stuff that wouldn't fit under the bench is still against the door but that will eventually change as well.
Behind me when I took that last picture there's a lot of stuff that needs attention. I found a spot under the bench on the right where I could hang the electric chainsaw (right next to the 10-inch miter saw's new location). Still have to find a spot for the gasoline chainsaw....
The upright vacuum cleaner may look out of place but it makes vacuuming the floor a whole lot easier than my shop vac. I want to get a small shop vacuum for the sandblast cabinet so the 5-gallon one can be put to better use. Actually it's such a poor excuse for a vacuum I should replace it with one that can do double duty as part of a dust collection system.
I have created a new problem. I used to know where everything was (OK, everything but that bin full of "stuff). Now I'm going to have to pull up a chair and assume Rodin's Thinker pose. It doesn't always work but I try to remember where I was and what I was doing the last time I used that tool....
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Grumblebum
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Bob I don't know that we've seen this perspective of your shop area before ?
Can you put a shelf above the window near the getto blaster and maybe get some tote storage up there ? Looks like maybe 8 or 9 feet before the cabinet gets in the way in the corner.
A good bit of shop tetris though
GB
Can you put a shelf above the window near the getto blaster and maybe get some tote storage up there ? Looks like maybe 8 or 9 feet before the cabinet gets in the way in the corner.
A good bit of shop tetris though
GB
Toolfool
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Time for a shed addition. Have a shed-building party. Looks like there are enough GJ members in your area to get it done in a day.
Bob I feel your frustration on shed disorganization. I think my shed is the same size as yours. I am working diligently to get all the bodywork done on the 64' so they can get bolted on the truck and clear much needed space in the shed. Once that is done I am going to completely reorganize the setup.
Yours is looking good by the way. Except you can't find anything now.
Bret
Yours is looking good by the way. Except you can't find anything now.
Bret
oldironfarmer
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Wow! Bench looks great!
Great job on the RAS. They are space hogs.
Keep looking for flat surfaces.
Great job on the RAS. They are space hogs.
Keep looking for flat surfaces.
bolensboneyard
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Bob good to see you back in the shop mindset. Great job.
shortykorte
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Bob, if you take pictures of the four walls, post them on Florida Chapter, you'll get a layout. Stop gerarding yourself without expert help.
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don long
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Bob
I haven't dared to show my woodshop for quite a while because it is so cluttered with stuff I need to find a place for and you moving the R.A.saw off the stand gives me hope to doing the same. Thanks for the example.
Don
I haven't dared to show my woodshop for quite a while because it is so cluttered with stuff I need to find a place for and you moving the R.A.saw off the stand gives me hope to doing the same. Thanks for the example.
Don
Rod, I tried to take pictures of that side of the shop but there was so much stuff piled up in front of the door that you couldn't see the file cabinets and I had to do musical carts to get to them.Bob I don't know that we've seen this perspective of your shop area before ?
Can you put a shelf above the window near the getto blaster and maybe get some tote storage up there ? Looks like maybe 8 or 9 feet before the cabinet gets in the way in the corner.
A good bit of shop tetris though
GB
That wall of tongue and groove boards and the workbench was the only thing in the shed when I bought the house in 1996. He used 8-penny nails in the faces of the boards and every time I tried to work on it I couldn't budge them. I insulated the other three walls and ceiling with R-19 bats so it is pretty efficient (an 8,000 btu A/C unit keeps it 20-degrees cooler than the outside with no problem, cycling on and off).
There is an up-side to my procrastination because I need to replace the siding on the shed. The previous (first) owner of this house built the shed and used T1-11 siding that has begun to disintegrate after 21 years. I'll be replacing it with Hardie vertical siding. My son is going to help so while that wall is exposed from the outside, I'll finish the insulation and wiring on that wall (it has two thru-slab PVC conduits that need to be connected to a breaker panel.
Like my chainsaw clutch, I'd say the siding has passed its useful life expectancy.
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John, there are lots of places in the yard where I could put up another shed for the stuff that just needs to be dry. I'm thinking one of those Florida kite buildings (sheet metal shed) but my wife thinks I already have too much stuff and too many messes. I really hate when she's right (and I'm not).
Bret, you're right on the size. If I had any sense I'd concentrate on my '72 Corvette and make it easier to work on. Every time I want to make progress I have to move the '87 Corvette and Cadillac out of the garage and then pull all the parts that are sitting under the car (suspension pieces, exhaust, steering column, etc. etc. etc. Work on the car for two hours and then put everything back under the car and move the cars back into the garage. A couple of shelves on that wall in the shop (and get rid of the boom box) and most of the stuff under the Vette could be out of the way.
Thanks Andy. I often think I should get rid of the RAS but I do use it a lot (because it is set up).Wow! Bench looks great!
Great job on the RAS. They are space hogs.
Keep looking for flat surfaces.
The biggest new flat surface is the floor. I can actually move around in there now. I have been fixing fences (and gates) this week and having stuff on wheels has been great.
Bobby, progress is slow but I am going into the shop almost every day. Sometimes it's just sorting a bucket of hardware and getting it off the bench and other times it's throwing stuff away. I am putting wheels on pieces of plywood so I can put stuff away and pull it out when needed. Baby steps are still steps.
Don, I know where you are coming from. For some reason I have an easier time keeping the garage reasonably organized but the wood shop seems to have a built-in mess-generator. Of course I don't have cool excuses for my messes like Rocket Ships and Ice Cream Parlors.
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taumac
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Hey Bob I got a idea. Have you ever thought of using lift tables for your power equipment? Something similar to this.
My idea would be you can lower it and put equipment under a bench and then pull it out and raise it to a good working height. I’m considering something to that effect with my FIL old Dewalt radial arm saw.
My idea would be you can lower it and put equipment under a bench and then pull it out and raise it to a good working height. I’m considering something to that effect with my FIL old Dewalt radial arm saw.
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Gerard, I love the idea of a lift table and my back gets excited about it too. I mentioned it to my wife and she said "Where are you going to put it?" I wasn't prepared with a good answer so it didn't happen. I think a wall of lift tables would be a great start to a workshop. One for the RAS, one for the table saw (it's on another sheet metal stand), one for the 10-inch miter saw, one for the 12-inch miter saw and another for the router table. The sixth one would be reserved for lifting stuff. Remove the handle loops and line them up next to each other for a 28-inch deep, 9-foot long adjustable steel-topped workbench for $1,000 or so.
shortykorte
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Sounds like a good plan. We know what Santa is bringing Bob next month.
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oldironfarmer
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I keep reading the bold words and shudder. It escapes me how someone could have too much stuff. I just can't get my arms around it. A 20 by 30 steel building with a two post Corvette lift would seem to reduce the mess factor.
sawduststeve
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WooHoo, I'm in, ^^^ just say the word.
Great work with the clean up, Bob.
Keep the RAS, mine get plenty of use, a very versatile tool.
Steve
don long
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Coming from you Andy that's just too funny. Good one
Bob I'm in too, a shed building party is right up my alley Just say when lol
taumac
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Bob Heine not prepared with answer. I’m shocked but i can see proposing something to the wife can be tricky. Next time it get brought up just tell the wife that “ hey honey I’ve been thinking. If I get those lift tables I can get things done so much quicker and won’t be as tired. I’ll be so much more productive that we will have more quality time to spend together. Now that will be so much more important then where they are going to go now aren’t they?”
Now if that doesn’t work you can always go to plan B and sneak things in when she’s not looking. My newest technique is going months before bringing new item in and having the boys bring it over. It helps to numbers when going against her. LOL
Stewart, not to be political but I think Santa is bringing me a small bag of coal. I learned long ago not to wait for Father's Day, Birthday or Christmas for the present I want. I tell everyone I want tools (any kind, any price, any condition) and end up with an apron or bag of nuts. My response is to buy myself tools when I need/want/too good a deal to pass up.
Andy, we think alike. The building with a lift is such a logical and perfect solution. Then my wife offers to reduce the mess by giving my '72 Corvette to a needy person. We agree to disagree and I sleep without the body armor with my eyes closed.
Steve, I may be making some small additions to the shed while we're re-siding it. Covered lumber storage on the outside (maybe looking like a potting bench) might be part of the plan.WooHoo, I'm in, ^^^ just say the word.
Great work with the clean up, Bob.
Keep the RAS, mine get plenty of use, a very versatile tool.
Steve
For a long time the RAS was a bit scary to use. The blade I used was meant for a table saw and it pulled hard through the wood. Then I bought a Freud LU91R010 10-Inch 60 Tooth ATB Thin Kerf Miter Saw Blade and it's a whole different saw. Very little pull and cuts really clean.
Don, my current setup is a dream come true that I just need to tune up. On the other hand, if everyone showed up, how could my wife turn down a new shed. She actually kids me about the "Shed Clearance Sales" advertised on TV, recognizing the far-away look I get when they come on.
My wife was very complimentary about the cleaned-up shop and suggested I finish the inside (T&G boards are stacked on the upper cabinets). My plan is to put 5/8" water resistant drywall behind the benches but she doesn't know about that yet. That means removing all the benches and building new ones. I have a bad case of Stevo-bench envy.
Gerard, you forget that I'm retired and rarely leave the house. Much as I love the time we have together, I notice she spends more time feeding squirrels than feeding me. She is always happy to see me when I come in from fixing something or cleaning up my messes but I don't think she wants a whole lot more time with me looking over her shoulder (it's kinda mutual).
I managed to sneak three welders into the garage but I don't know about sneaking five or seven HF lift tables into the shed. Hey, if I'm going to sneak something in, maybe a half-dozen HF 44" rollers and a few meters of 2-by square steel tubing for a Steevo-benched shed.
My wife brought home a present yesterday. She went to pick up Miss Ellie (our Pug) from the groomer and drove right up to the parking stop. Tried her best to rip the bumper cover off but one side hung on. She bungeed the hanging side on and drove home. She gets upset when it happens but I just smile thank her for the fun job I get to do. I already showed the new bumper that's prepped and it's flat-cow-catcher brace. The fun for me is seeing if I can get the old one riveted back on.
In addition to the four nuts that hold the sides of the bumper cover to the fenders, there are two sheet metal screws with fender washers that hold the bumper to each side of the grille. The screws go through these plastic tabs.
The bumper cover on the passenger side has some extra support so the tab survived this incident. The less well supported driver side tore off the plastic mounting tab (the slot below the torn-off tab is for the bottom grille support0.
Went to the shed and quickly found a scrap of 1/8 aluminum plate (sheet?) in my clear bucket full of scrap aluminum. It's going to be the perfect size, once I cut it up on the Portaband.
A little drilling, cutting and bending (using the vise brake) and I have a tab replacement that will get a few pop rivets. I actually remembered to cut the slot for the grille -- quite surprising.
Because the tab tore off above the bend, I had to cut the plastic back enough so the bend in the aluminum tab matched the bend in the original plastic tab.
I am a big fan of pop rivets for this kind of stuff. The new tab is a pretty good match to the old one and the only modifications are to an already distressed bumper cover. You may notice the styrofoam absorber behind the bumper cover has suffered some severe scuffing - it fell down on this side and rode the road all the way home.
A few new pop rivets on the driver side and putting all the screws, nuts and clips back in place and we have a presentable repair. There was some hidden damage to the driver side -- it appears the tire caught the cable to the fog lamp and tore it loose from the housing, which gave the tire a bulb to disconnect and destroy. The aiming on the housing is buggered but I'll deal with that when the new bulbs arrive (replacing them as a pair). I saved the old fog lamp housings and I believe one of them is in good condition. It's another one of those "glad I diidn't throw that out" moments. I also ordered a new foam absorber.
In addition to the four nuts that hold the sides of the bumper cover to the fenders, there are two sheet metal screws with fender washers that hold the bumper to each side of the grille. The screws go through these plastic tabs.
The bumper cover on the passenger side has some extra support so the tab survived this incident. The less well supported driver side tore off the plastic mounting tab (the slot below the torn-off tab is for the bottom grille support0.
Went to the shed and quickly found a scrap of 1/8 aluminum plate (sheet?) in my clear bucket full of scrap aluminum. It's going to be the perfect size, once I cut it up on the Portaband.
A little drilling, cutting and bending (using the vise brake) and I have a tab replacement that will get a few pop rivets. I actually remembered to cut the slot for the grille -- quite surprising.
Because the tab tore off above the bend, I had to cut the plastic back enough so the bend in the aluminum tab matched the bend in the original plastic tab.
I am a big fan of pop rivets for this kind of stuff. The new tab is a pretty good match to the old one and the only modifications are to an already distressed bumper cover. You may notice the styrofoam absorber behind the bumper cover has suffered some severe scuffing - it fell down on this side and rode the road all the way home.
A few new pop rivets on the driver side and putting all the screws, nuts and clips back in place and we have a presentable repair. There was some hidden damage to the driver side -- it appears the tire caught the cable to the fog lamp and tore it loose from the housing, which gave the tire a bulb to disconnect and destroy. The aiming on the housing is buggered but I'll deal with that when the new bulbs arrive (replacing them as a pair). I saved the old fog lamp housings and I believe one of them is in good condition. It's another one of those "glad I diidn't throw that out" moments. I also ordered a new foam absorber.
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Bob, that is most certainly a presentable repair.
Given what you have just achieved, don't you think you have just debunked the urban myth that you have" to much stuff ". To my way of thinking I really justifies the new 20 x 30.
Its a no brainer..
Given what you have just achieved, don't you think you have just debunked the urban myth that you have" to much stuff ". To my way of thinking I really justifies the new 20 x 30.
Its a no brainer..
Grumblebum
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Lol.
Plan B is always my plan A.
Except the shed bit. Still working on that one
GB
Plan B is always my plan A.
Except the shed bit. Still working on that one
GB
jon72vega
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Bob,
Great repair!
You've got skills!
Great repair!
You've got skills!
zmotorsports
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I have the same situation Bob, nobody buys me tools. I am told it is because I am so **** and particular about my tools that no one dares take the chance.
Personally I don't know what they're talking about.I admire your demeanor Bob. I really wish I could get to that point. I don't handle the issues anywhere near the same as you no matter how hard I try. I wish I could be more lackadaisical about things and just work the problem vs. working through the problem with my head full of anger and pissed off attitude. I keep telling myself it will come with age but I'm not getting any younger nor is my temper/demeanor getting any better.
Great job on the repair by the way.
oldironfarmer
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I tell everyone I want tools (any kind, any price, any condition) and end up with an apron or bag of nuts. My response is to buy myself tools when I need/want/too good a deal to pass up.
Those are my words. I need my lawyer to check to see whether we have a copyright infringement suit here.
Andy, we think alike.
Scary, isn't it
The building with a lift is such a logical and perfect solution.
I will somehow get there for the shed raising. Keep us informed. Maybe stop at Bobby's and saw some lumber as well.
Then my wife offers to reduce the mess by giving my '72 Corvette to a needy person.
Good news here, The Salvation Army and others will come and pick up your derelict vehicle and give you a form to lie to the IRS about the value of the gift.
I may be making some small additions to the shed while we're re-siding it. Covered lumber storage on the outside (maybe looking like a potting bench) might be part of the plan.
True, a 24'x36' addition with potting bench is just a remodel.
For a long time the RAS was a bit scary to use. The blade I used was meant for a table saw and it pulled hard through the wood. Then I bought a Freud LU91R010 10-Inch 60 Tooth ATB Thin Kerf Miter Saw Blade and it's a whole different saw. Very little pull and cuts really clean.
Go with a 100 tooth next time, even less splintering. Of course that 60 tooth will last forever unless you get into foundry work and cut firebrick with it.
On the other hand, if everyone showed up, how could my wife turn down a new shed.
Sounds like the plan is coming together
Much as I love the time we have together, I notice she spends more time feeding squirrels than feeding me. She is always happy to see me when I come in from fixing something or cleaning up my messes but I don't think she wants a whole lot more time with me looking over her shoulder (it's kinda mutual).
A modest shed addition is just the thing for marital bliss and the fond memories of spending time together. You can hang beautiful photographs of her in your modest shed addition.
Want to plan something starting the last Saturday in March, 2018? We can arrive on Saturday and really get to work Sunday morning.
stillp
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Toolfool
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Want to plan something starting the last Saturday in March, 2018? We can arrive on Saturday and really get to work Sunday morning.
Book some rooms at the Motel6. Start a sign-up list. Who's drawing the plans ?
jimreed2160
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Good luck with plan B--that knife cuts both ways. Years ago, I came home during my lunch break to sneak a bandsaw into the basement. Imagine my surprise when I met The Queen at the door. She was sneaking in a few pairs of NEW SHOES!
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taumac
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Good luck with plan B--that knife cuts both ways. Years ago, I came home during my lunch break to sneak a bandsaw into the basement. Imagine my surprise when I met The Queen at the door. She was sneaking in a few pairs of NEW SHOES!
LOL, now that’s too funny. To bad nobody was there to take a picture on looks of both your faces. LOL
taumac
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Someone said that key to successful marriage is to have separate rooms. You come out eat, screw and go back to your rooms. Basically, stay away from each other. LOL.