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Between 485 & 705 SQ/FT Bob Heine's Auto Emporium

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To get the excess dry glue off the paper cone and metal frame, I used Q-Tips soaked in lacquer thinner. It seemed to work well and although I didn't get all the glue off the paper, the surface leveled out nicely and the old glue seemed to retain some level of stickiness. You'll notice some slivers of black near the speakers. Turned out you have to trim the foam rings so they lay flat around the metal flange.

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I found it was difficult to keep track of the places to trim so I marked the four mounting holes on the ring. Then I could mark the places to trim and not trim too much on one side. It worked like a charm.

I didn't take in-process photos of the paper cone to foam ring gluing. Laid out a small bead, spread it a little and set the foam ring down on the glue. Gentle pressure around the ring to make sure it is adhered all the way around. Also have to make sure the foam is not pressed in on the sides.
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After waiting a day (they suggested an hour) I attempted to glue the foam ring to the metal frame. The instructions assume you have two hands and can lift the ring away from the metal frame. I tried a steel rod but the magnet on the speaker makes that less than fun. I found a stainless rod and it worked perfectly to hold the foam ring up out of my way. At least enough out of the way so I could lay a small bead of glue on the frame.
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The rim gluing process went well and I was going to wait the recommended hour for the glue to dry. I was a little worried the foam wouldn't lay completely flat all the way around the ring so I mounted the speakers back on the speaker face plate.
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The final step was to reconnect the wires to the speakers and re-install the fiberglass batts to soften the speaker tone. Now that the speaker is sealed to the front plate, the base reflex tube should work better. We'll see.

Six screws hold the face plate to the case and the grille just snaps on.

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Mick, you're right! In a few years he'll grow into one of the family nicknames my father came up with. My brother was Big B. Heine and I was Kissme B. Heine.

Ah! I surmise from your dad's nicknames the e at the end of your name is silent. Well, drat. My pun isn't nearly as funny.

It's all right, with a last name like mine I'm used to being given nicknames. I think my favorite was the one from junior high, Hop Along Cavity.
 

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Ah! I surmise from your dad's nicknames the e at the end of your name is silent. Well, drat. My pun isn't nearly as funny.

It's all right, with a last name like mine I'm used to being given nicknames. I think my favorite was the one from junior high, Hop Along Cavity.

Although Bob pronounces his name Hein, most of us call him Heiney, and your pun was right on target.:lol_hitti:lol_hitti
 
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You audiophile guys do some amazing work.:bowdown::headscrat
John, I had to laugh out loud. I had dreams of owning a high-end system, back when Marantz was the top of the line. When I realized the system would cost nearly as much as a new car, I settled for used Lafayette stuff. To this day, my go-to speaker is a Radio Shack Minimus-7 (there are five in the garage) and none of them need the foam replaced.
Ah! I surmise from your dad's nicknames the e at the end of your name is silent. Well, drat. My pun isn't nearly as funny.

It's all right, with a last name like mine I'm used to being given nicknames. I think my favorite was the one from junior high, Hop Along Cavity.
Mick, I heard the German poet, Heinrich Heine last name pronounced 'HInuh'. Most of my teachers pronounced it "HIknee" and based on some hilarious grade school humor my name was Heiney Kaplotz. If you Google that, my thread comes up second but the third entry is far more interesting.
Although Bob pronounces his name Hein, most of us call him Heiney, and your pun was right on target.:lol_hitti:lol_hitti
Andy, you are well aware I am happy to be called anything but late to dinner.
 

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Thanks for the write up. Looks like I might not be throwing as many speakers away now. Did I miss where you got the surrounds from?
 

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Bob,
First off congrats on the newest great-grandson. Secondly, good repair on the speakers and I'm glad they both worked and were repaired. I didn't even know that was possible, and would have saved me some money in the past rather than full replacements.

JB
 

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Bob what a great write up on the speakers. Sadly I had a really nice pair of Advent cabinet speakers that suffered the same as yours. They had 13" speakers which were an odd size. I couldn't find replacements so I got rid of them. They sounded amazing before the foam deteriorated. I bought them from my friends dad he had purchased them in 1978. I had them until about 95'.

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Thanks for the write up. Looks like I might not be throwing as many speakers away now. Did I miss where you got the surrounds from?
Kirk, thank you, I wasn't sure it would be helpful -- everything is wifi or bluetooth now. I bought the kit from Amazon for the free shipping and didn't check the site they come from. Simply Speakers is the supplier and almost everything you need is included (instructions, foam rings and glue). The Q-Tips and that stainless rod were my choice. They ship speaker foam repair kits and speaker diaphragms for free so I will go directly to them next time.

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Bob,
First off congrats on the newest great-grandson. Secondly, good repair on the speakers and I'm glad they both worked and were repaired. I didn't even know that was possible, and would have saved me some money in the past rather than full replacements.

JB
Thank you JB! I only learned about the repair kits recently. I don't know how good these Advent speakers are but they are built a lot sturdier than any of the ones I've paid money for in the past. I always check ReStore and the other thrift shops' electronics section. One had a complete Bose surround sound system on the shelf but it had a SOLD tag on it. Tuns out tearing the sold tag off doesn't make it yours.
Bob what a great write up on the speakers. Sadly I had a really nice pair of Advent cabinet speakers that suffered the same as yours. They had 13" speakers which were an odd size. I couldn't find replacements so I got rid of them. They sounded amazing before the foam deteriorated. I bought them from my friends dad he had purchased them in 1978. I had them until about 95'.

Bret
Bret, now that I know it's possible to fix them, I may keep an eye out for more high-end speakers. Even if they don't work, Andy's reminder about the magnets is great. I actually paid money for oil filter magnets -- a speaker magnet would have been perfect.
 

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Kirk, thank you, I wasn't sure it would be helpful -- everything is wifi or bluetooth now. I bought the kit from Amazon for the free shipping and didn't check the site they come from. Simply Speakers is the supplier and almost everything you need is included (instructions, foam rings and glue). The Q-Tips and that stainless rod were my choice. They ship speaker foam repair kits and speaker diaphragms for free so I will go directly to them next time.

https://www.simplyspeakers.com/

Thank you JB! I only learned about the repair kits recently. I don't know how good these Advent speakers are but they are built a lot sturdier than any of the ones I've paid money for in the past. I always check ReStore and the other thrift shops' electronics section. One had a complete Bose surround sound system on the shelf but it had a SOLD tag on it. Tuns out tearing the sold tag off doesn't make it yours.

Bret, now that I know it's possible to fix them, I may keep an eye out for more high-end speakers. Even if they don't work, Andy's reminder about the magnets is great. I actually paid money for oil filter magnets -- a speaker magnet would have been perfect.

I've had an interesting experience at a thrift store while shopping. I'll add-to the post, I have to go with the wife on an Rx errand, I do the AARP mail pharmacy, but she hasn't transferred her Rx to it yet.

I once found a set of Altec Lansing Voice of the Theater speakers at a thrift shop, just like every concert you attended from the 1960's-on. They appeared to be in perfect condition, and they were set-up for shipping, in padded cabinets. I was tempted but I was trying to wean-down the wall of speakers I'd already bought, and had done the same thing, re-coning the speakers that needed it. So, I passed on them. I do have a pair of floor-standing Infinity speakers with passive radiators which match the woofers at 12". They are about 54" high. I have some receivers I may be selling, Marantz, Yamaha, H-K, dunno what else, I gotta look. One is a quad, all old, most haven't been powered in years.

I also have "a thing" for small die cast speakers, I have a pair of ADS 320 speakers which are among my favorites. Minimus in various iterations, I forget the others.

At a thrift shop I found a vintage Miami Grand Prix poster, I went to pay for it in another storefront (their system). When I came back, another customer was walking around w/it. I told the clerk, "here's my receipt, I already bought the poster she has picked-up. Please get me my poster!" The woman wasn't happy about surrendering the poster, already framed. Too-bad, I'm not sad for-you.
 
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John, I had to laugh out loud. I had dreams of owning a high-end system, back when Marantz was the top of the line. When I realized the system would cost nearly as much as a new car, I settled for used Lafayette stuff. To this day, my go-to speaker is a Radio Shack Minimus-7 (there are five in the garage) and none of them need the foam replaced.


I'm still using the Criterion 2001's I purchased from Lafayette in 1973 (?). I recently found my dream receiver (Pioneer SX 1250) and am having it restored as we speak. Couldn't afford one back then. Might have to upgrade my speakers.
 

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My wife bought two Advent speakers the summer of 1979, about 30" high. I'm thinking they need new foam rings.

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I'd better reread your posts.
 

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Happy New Year Bob. I was working with Ginny the other day and cutting up. I asked her if she thought she could handle you and I getting on the same stage with a comedy routine; as I'm sure we would end up doing whenever we do get together. Her answer. I just want to meet his wife so I can get some sympathy!
 
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Pete, that's what I said!
I've had an interesting experience at a thrift store while shopping. I'll add-to the post, I have to go with the wife on an Rx errand, I do the AARP mail pharmacy, but she hasn't transferred her Rx to it yet.

I once found a set of Altec Lansing Voice of the Theater speakers at a thrift shop, just like every concert you attended from the 1960's-on. They appeared to be in perfect condition, and they were set-up for shipping, in padded cabinets. I was tempted but I was trying to wean-down the wall of speakers I'd already bought, and had done the same thing, re-coning the speakers that needed it. So, I passed on them. I do have a pair of floor-standing Infinity speakers with passive radiators which match the woofers at 12". They are about 54" high. I have some receivers I may be selling, Marantz, Yamaha, H-K, dunno what else, I gotta look. One is a quad, all old, most haven't been powered in years.

I also have "a thing" for small die cast speakers, I have a pair of ADS 320 speakers which are among my favorites. Minimus in various iterations, I forget the others.

At a thrift shop I found a vintage Miami Grand Prix poster, I went to pay for it in another storefront (their system). When I came back, another customer was walking around w/it. I told the clerk, "here's my receipt, I already bought the poster she has picked-up. Please get me my poster!" The woman wasn't happy about surrendering the poster, already framed. Too-bad, I'm not sad for-you.
Philip, you describe all the things that forced me to abandon my audio dreams. OK, not really "all" the things. Liane does not like technology in any form, with the exception of the Television and its associated recording devices. She hates stacks of audio equipment so those have always been hidden in the basement, my office or the garage. It's why there is no TV in the Great Room (but they're in the kitchen, bedrooms, office and garage).

The "stereo" in our house in New York was installed in the basement. It shared the closet with the oil burner and seasonal stuff (snow blower in the summer; lawn mower, Mercruiser outdrive and bicycles in the winter -- yes, it was a big closet).
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To give you an idea of my audio budget, that rectangle next to the equipment is a speaker. Not just any old speaker but the "Revolutionary Lafayette "Poly-Planar"" 12-inch Deluxe speakers that could handle 40 watts RMS. With two of those in the wall (studs and blocks made a nice enclosure) we could fill the 24'x24' basement with sound. Concrete slab helped keep the needle on the phonograph in the groove. When we wanted everyone to get up and dance, Credence Clearwater Revival went on the Dual turntable. The Concord reel-to-reel had many hours of pirated music from the New York City FM Rock & Roll stations.
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That's page 75 from the 1971 Lafayette catalog. For the elderly among us, this was the Circuit City or Best Buy of our day. I think the Lafayette store in Poughkeepsie closed down the year before but that was where I went to shop. If you remember Lafayette and their catalog, here's the PDF some on was kind enough to post.
https://www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive-Catalogs/Consumer/Lafayette-1971.pdf

Your poster experience is pretty common. My biggest worry when visiting thrift stores in South Florida is buying something out from under some friendly looking elderly lady. There's a fair chance she's packing and would not think twice about busting a cap in you in the parking lot.
John, I had to laugh out loud. I had dreams of owning a high-end system, back when Marantz was the top of the line. When I realized the system would cost nearly as much as a new car, I settled for used Lafayette stuff. To this day, my go-to speaker is a Radio Shack Minimus-7 (there are five in the garage) and none of them need the foam replaced.

I'm still using the Criterion 2001's I purchased from Lafayette in 1973 (?). I recently found my dream receiver (Pioneer SX 1250) and am having it restored as we speak. Couldn't afford one back then. Might have to upgrade my speakers.
John, those speakers are way out of my league (and not introduced until the '80s I think). I still can't afford a Pioneer SX 1250. As I understand it, they are still top of the line receivers.
My wife bought two Advent speakers the summer of 1979, about 30" high. I'm thinking they need new foam rings.

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Oh dear, Andy, you must be desperate. If they got new foam rings, I bet it would make Sharon very happy. Would playing the 1979 #1 hit "My Sharona" make her happy as well?
Great speaker repair Bob. [emoji106]

I just have a pair of Radio Shacks that I've had since the late '70s or early '80s - plenty loud enough to annoy the neighbors with (something that I avoid these days).



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Mark, I appreciate the kind words. Boca Raton is a wealthy town but a lot of peasants like me live there as well. I once visited one of the many high-end home entertainment shops and didn't make it past the first display. It was back to Radio Shack for me.
Andy those are the exact speakers I had!

Bret
Bret, it's a small world. I don't know if Sharon is real attached to them but if she is, I wouldn't go stopping by Andy's place to see them -- if his grandchildren are around, it could be painful.
Happy New Year Bob. I was working with Ginny the other day and cutting up. I asked her if she thought she could handle you and I getting on the same stage with a comedy routine; as I'm sure we would end up doing whenever we do get together. Her answer. I just want to meet his wife so I can get some sympathy!
Bobby, Ginny should be careful what she wishes for. In this household I'm the straight man. At a company event, my diminutive boss came over to me and Liane said "And who are you, little man?" More recently a lecherous old man approached her and asked "What is that?" while looking at the gold Egyptian Cartouche around her neck. She said "They're called *****, Decklin."

I suspect our wives would get along real well. You and I, on the other hand, may not fare well at all.
 

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Philip, you describe all the things that forced me to abandon my audio dreams. OK, not really "all" the things. Liane does not like technology in any form, with the exception of the Television and its associated recording devices. She hates stacks of audio equipment so those have always been hidden in the basement, my office or the garage. It's why there is no TV in the Great Room (but they're in the kitchen, bedrooms, office and garage).

The "stereo" in our house in New York was installed in the basement. It shared the closet with the oil burner and seasonal stuff (snow blower in the summer; lawn mower, Mercruiser outdrive and bicycles in the winter -- yes, it was a big closet).

To give you an idea of my audio budget, that rectangle next to the equipment is a speaker. Not just any old speaker but the "Revolutionary Lafayette "Poly-Planar"" 12-inch Deluxe speakers that could handle 40 watts RMS. With two of those in the wall (studs and blocks made a nice enclosure) we could fill the 24'x24' basement with sound. Concrete slab helped keep the needle on the phonograph in the groove. When we wanted everyone to get up and dance, Credence Clearwater Revival went on the Dual turntable. The Concord reel-to-reel had many hours of pirated music from the New York City FM Rock & Roll stations.

That's page 75 from the 1971 Lafayette catalog. For the elderly among us, this was the Circuit City or Best Buy of our day. I think the Lafayette store in Poughkeepsie closed down the year before but that was where I went to shop. If you remember Lafayette and their catalog, here's the PDF some on was kind enough to post.
https://www.americanradiohistory.com...yette-1971.pdf

Your poster experience is pretty common. My biggest worry when visiting thrift stores in South Florida is buying something out from under some friendly looking elderly lady. There's a fair chance she's packing and would not think twice about busting a cap in you in the parking lot.


Yes, my wife wants things 'removed.' I feel the need to collect old stereos and associated equipment, I've pared-down my stuff greatly, but have more to-go. I really don't need five receivers. I did liquidate my reel-to-reel, a 7" Akai I bought about 1978, new, and nearly-all my speakers. I still have a Dual turntable I bought new, with the Akai reel-to-reel. I have a Thorens turntable I got at a local thrift shop, before the internet, where now everything they have for-sale is priced at the highest ebay price they can find. Since I have a large collection of LP's, (2,000-3,000) my wife got me one of those USB turntables, but I haven't been using that function yet.

I recall my father building Knight Kits and Dynaco kits, to make a 1950's 'hi-fi' system. I learned how-to solder watching him, and I still have several tools he used. He took an old TV cabinet and re-purposed it into a hi-fi cabinet doing some creative carpentry. It eventually made the trip to college with me, but I left it behind at the end of one year, stripped-of its electronics. It had a Garrard turntable, and I still have a N.O.S. cartridge head for it. It looks like some prehistoric bug, (the cartridge head) and appears to be made from bakelite, with art deco lines. I think Captain Nemo would have liked the design.

In Hollywood FL there was a Lafayette store in the 1970's, I think it closed shortly after about 1980. I liked to go in there and to rummage through all the electronic parts, and whatever-else they had. It reminded me of a Western Auto store, but for electronics. There were dusty, open-top counters, with wood-and-glass dividers, and piles of stuff sorted and labelled, to paw-through.

In the 1970's and '80's in Miami and Ft. Lauderdale, there was an electronics store called Luskin's (I spent an entire tax refund check on a Sansui 8080db receiver there about 1977) that sold a lot of good stereo equipment. Another one was Sound Advice, which was where my wife liked to shop. As an electrical engineer, she was attracted to the better-quality stuff. They had a storefront facing I-95 in Broward County that was painted like a receiver, very-distinctive.

The statistics for CCW in Florida: state population of 20 million, > 1 in 20 has a CCW permit, so a 5% chance the grandma is packin' heat, legally. Of course that doesn't begin to account for the criminals, who should "just say no" to weapons.

I had four Dynaco A-25's (speakers) that unfortunately got wet and I disposed of them.
 
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Bob: i'm sure your SPEAKER FIX will come in handy for me cause i've never thought of a repairing them in the past.

hope your 2019 is as good as the weather is today in your part of the world. keep up the great work and I (we) always love your wit and humor too.

cheers
 
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Yes, my wife wants things 'removed.' I feel the need to collect old stereos and associated equipment, I've pared-down my stuff greatly, but have more to-go. I really don't need five receivers. I did liquidate my reel-to-reel, a 7" Akai I bought about 1978, new, and nearly-all my speakers. I still have a Dual turntable I bought new, with the Akai reel-to-reel. I have a Thorens turntable I got at a local thrift shop, before the internet, where now everything they have for-sale is priced at the highest ebay price they can find. Since I have a large collection of LP's, (2,000-3,000) my wife got me one of those USB turntables, but I haven't been using that function yet.

I recall my father building Knight Kits and Dynaco kits, to make a 1950's 'hi-fi' system. I learned how-to solder watching him, and I still have several tools he used. He took an old TV cabinet and re-purposed it into a hi-fi cabinet doing some creative carpentry. It eventually made the trip to college with me, but I left it behind at the end of one year, stripped-of its electronics. It had a Garrard turntable, and I still have a N.O.S. cartridge head for it. It looks like some prehistoric bug, (the cartridge head) and appears to be made from bakelite, with art deco lines. I think Captain Nemo would have liked the design.

In Hollywood FL there was a Lafayette store in the 1970's, I think it closed shortly after about 1980. I liked to go in there and to rummage through all the electronic parts, and whatever-else they had. It reminded me of a Western Auto store, but for electronics. There were dusty, open-top counters, with wood-and-glass dividers, and piles of stuff sorted and labelled, to paw-through.

In the 1970's and '80's in Miami and Ft. Lauderdale, there was an electronics store called Luskin's (I spent an entire tax refund check on a Sansui 8080db receiver there about 1977) that sold a lot of good stereo equipment. Another one was Sound Advice, which was where my wife liked to shop. As an electrical engineer, she was attracted to the better-quality stuff. They had a storefront facing I-95 in Broward County that was painted like a receiver, very-distinctive.

The statistics for CCW in Florida: state population of 20 million, > 1 in 20 has a CCW permit, so a 5% chance the grandma is packin' heat, legally. Of course that doesn't begin to account for the criminals, who should "just say no" to weapons.

I had four Dynaco A-25's (speakers) that unfortunately got wet and I disposed of them.
Philip, I gave away all my vinyl years ago. Most of the albums were badly scratched from drunks trying to find their favorite song during a party. More recently I got rid of all the Fischer tube stuff, the last turntable and all of the VHS/DVD players but one. I still have a VHS to DVD Recorder but it is displaying an error code. I have two low-end surround sound systems for the master and guest bedroom but my wife hates the effect. She says that noise coming from the speakers behind her is disturbing.

My father didn't fix things and when he died in 1968 his home entertainment system was a Grundig Magestic Hi-Fi with turntable and rarely used AM/FM radio.
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Visiting the Sound Advice store in Boca Raton many years ago, I knew I was in the wrong place. The size speaker I wanted cost more than the whole system in my car. I am trying to move from the collecting to disbursing mode.
Bob
I don't do speakers so I'll wish. You and your family a happy and peaceful new year


Don
Don, as always you make the wise choice. I don't think I'm heading down the speaker slope -- I just wanted to see if I could fix this pair. Wishing you and Ann and the whole family a healthy and productive new year.
And those are the exact same speakers I had!
So Mick, you're another one who is out of my league in the speaker world. I thought a speaker in the package tray of my '56 Chevy was the be-all, end-all.
Happy New Year! I didnt know about the speaker fix either learned something. :thumbup: 🔊🎶🎶
Hubscrub66, Happy New Year to you as well. Happy to share my little discoveries. It's what makes the GJ so great!
Bob: i'm sure your SPEAKER FIX will come in handy for me cause i've never thought of a repairing them in the past.

hope your 2019 is as good as the weather is today in your part of the world. keep up the great work and I (we) always love your wit and humor too.

cheers
Hi Drives, be careful about diving into speaker repair. You could end up filling your wife's parking space with great deals.

I hope your 2019 sees a workshop out back and workspaces inside where you can tackle all your projects.
 

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So Mick, you're another one who is out of my league in the speaker world. I thought a speaker in the package tray of my '56 Chevy was the be-all, end-all.
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Now, Bob. It is you who is out of my league. :bowdown:

The Advent speakers, along with the Harmon Kardon system that drove them, were stolen. Replacements have come and gone, and I haven't had a decent stereo in many years.

I have identified a couple of companies that retrofit nice, powerful radios into vintage car radios, so that's on my roadmap for my car.
 
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I appears I have a kind of Tribble effect going on. Projects are multiplying. I have had a low-priority project for a couple of years. The center speaker in the garage surround sound system is sitting on the water heater pipes under the TV.
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I had intended to install a shelf in that corner but there was no real rush. Until now. The two speakers I just repaired are going in the master bedroom and I plan to snake a pair of wires into the interior wall from the garage. At the same time I wanted to set the 8-speaker switch on the back of the Audio Cabinet. The space already has an iPod dock and cable TV box and the box needs to move out of the way (the iPod dock can sit on the speaker switch).
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I bought a 2'x2' piece of oak plywood and planned to cut it in half diagonally. I neglected to purchase a piece of oak for the edge but during the workshop cleanup I found a scrap piece from a picture frame I made decades ago. I already routed a rabbet in the edge so it was just what I needed.

With the table saw so easy to pull out and set up, I marked the plywood and ran it through the table saw -- freehand. As a result, the edge where the oak was going wasn't very straight. You can see the gap:
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I started with a hand plane, switched to a sanding block and realized it was taking too long. I brought out the big gun, my Makita power plane.
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In less than 5 minutes I had the plywood edge straight enough to set the strip of oak in place. Unfortunately the rabbet was quite a bit deeper than it needed to be so I gently shaved the edge of the oak strip down with the HF hand plane. The curly fries were making me hungry.
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I checked the edge one more time and thought I should flatten it a little more. Then I remembered how many times I had messed up a piece of wood going for that last little bit.
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I ended the day spreading glue on the edge of the plywood and inside the rabbet. It's not a great clamping job but I don't know exactly how to clamp on an angle. I used two of the face clamps as anchors for the side clamps. I'll know in the morning if it worked.
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BOB: thanks for the warnings and well wishes. I think you know me too well and my wife said yesterday i'm like my mom that doesn't want to throw away anything.

speaking of not throwing away anything that is how you (and I) get some of these projects started and finished cause a scrap of wood might just be the ticket.

I love the new oak shelf you are making for your speakers. since i'm usually listening to old VCR movies that are playing on a 12 inch TV/VCR in my garage what tunes do you listen to? since you've been all over the world I'd hazard to guess maybe not so much COUNTRY, but you do live in Florida so do tell?

cheers
 
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Now, Bob. It is you who is out of my league. :bowdown:

The Advent speakers, along with the Harmon Kardon system that drove them, were stolen. Replacements have come and gone, and I haven't had a decent stereo in many years.

I have identified a couple of companies that retrofit nice, powerful radios into vintage car radios, so that's on my roadmap for my car.
Mick, most of the stuff I buy now seems to be Sony. They have a pretty wide quality and price range. I need decent volume but prefer not to have stuff falling off shelves.

When those retrofit radios came out I had already modified the dash on the '72 Corvette. The Sony system includes a cassette player, CD changer and iPod adapter. It also has two amps under the seats (probably going to need little CPU fans to cool them). Turns out the retrofit system would have been cheaper.
Bob, is the custom hold the button screw still needed ?:lol_hitti
Craig, I haven't tested it but I believe it is. I'm just hoping it hangs in until I get the speaker wires run.

BOB: thanks for the warnings and well wishes. I think you know me too well and my wife said yesterday i'm like my mom that doesn't want to throw away anything.

speaking of not throwing away anything that is how you (and I) get some of these projects started and finished cause a scrap of wood might just be the ticket.

I love the new oak shelf you are making for your speakers. since i'm usually listening to old VCR movies that are playing on a 12 inch TV/VCR in my garage what tunes do you listen to? since you've been all over the world I'd hazard to guess maybe not so much COUNTRY, but you do live in Florida so do tell?

cheers
Drives, we all have issues with throwing stuff away. I try to keep a pair of blinders handy but it's too easy to order stuff online. I don't search for vises or machinist tools but they are very tempting.

I hope my memory holds up a little longer. I have semi-organized scrap stashed in the workshop. I searched for Mini Advent speaker mounts and found nothing but expensive stuff. I decided to use a piece of aluminum drilled for two of the four screw holes on the back of the speakers. Rather than cut a piece from the 12"x12" plate, I opened my scrap jar and found two pieces that would do. The first piece was small and will require spacers under the aluminum.
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The second piece is larger but both pieces came from the same stash (there are other jars with steel and stainless steel scraps).
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I did make a little more progress on the shelf. I have not had great success miter cutting trim. Instead of setting up the power miter saw, I used the Japanese pull saw and held it tight to the plywood.
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Did a quick check for fit. I made a couple of strips to mount to the walls but didn't try to install them. That requires moving the Audio cabinet (easy because it's on wheels) and the freezer (also relatively easy but not on wheels). That will require a bit of time because every tool, screw and piece of wood has to fall behind the water heater at least six times. I need to save up some patience for all that.
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Most garage time I listen to Oldies Rock & Roll ('50s to '70s), Ray Charles, Willie Nelson, Bob & Ziggy Marley on the iPod but there's a few younger artists (U2, for example), some Zydeco and a little Country. In the car it depends. If the traffic is annoying I play Classics (Beethoven, Brahms, Tchaikovsky, the Three Tenors and Vivaldi). If it's a trip to the store, good old Rock & Roll.
 

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I decided to take it easy. Went to Home Depot to pick up more concrete squares and some food yesterday. It was late (5:00 PM) by the time I got home so the concrete stayed in the Cruiser overnight. I only get 24 squares because it keeps the rear of the car on its springs (I don't like to ride on the bump stops). It's about 250 pounds but it's also a perfect load for the Gorilla Cart.
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I actually remembered to bring a glove to Home Depot to load the concrete squares. I decided to reduce the chance I'll forget the glove next time. That cargo tie-down loop at the back of the car is the perfect place to hang one. Now I just have to remember it's in the car next time I go.
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I find digging trenches to be relaxing so I spent a little time getting the sprinkler system upgraded. I eliminated a big Rainbird oscillating sprinkler head that soaked the new patio so I needed to put some smaller heads in to just water the garden on one side and the lawn on the other. Over the years I've learned to be gentle when digging trenches in the yard. There are lots of roots to cut but there are also PVC sprinkler pipes that feel almost like a root but not quite. Managed not to cut the 1.25-inch pipe in this section of trench.
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The patio is 10-feet wide, so the pipe that crosses under it needs to be 11.5-feet long. Home Depot sells PVC pipe in 10-foot lengths so I had to scrounge up another piece. Now I need to glue in a couple of Tees and Elbows and the sprinklers will be done. Oh yeah, except for the three big oscillating heads in the lower back yard. Another day...
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Loving the speaker shelf.

I have a new system (15 years old at least as it has a tape deck too plus CD) that needs to replace the one I have had the last 8 years as it now selects whatever it wants to play, or just grey noise by going off station, as I listen only to the radio down there.

And the Gorilla Kart looks worth it’s weight in brick pavers.

I also leave a pair of Dennis Jones’ working gloves in Prozac permanently as one usually forgets them the times you can really use them.

Good job Bob.
 

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Why do you use hard PVC instead of the semi rigid black stuff for your sprinkler lines. And I so hear you one remembering the glove. For me, it's the reusable shopping bag in the trunk.
 

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Why do you use hard PVC instead of the semi rigid black stuff for your sprinkler lines. And I so hear you one remembering the glove. For me, it's the reusable shopping bag in the trunk.

Because a shovel gets pushed right through the black stuff, the PVC at least gives you a warning it's there:lol_hitti
 

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Why do you use hard PVC instead of the semi rigid black stuff for your sprinkler lines.......


Plus the wall thickness on the semi-rigid stuff is way thinner than the PVC pipe. Depending on your soil, bugs, critters and microbes like to eat the semi-rigid pipe so sooner or later, you're going to get a leak.


Been there, done that.


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Loving the speaker shelf.

I have a new system (15 years old at least as it has a tape deck too plus CD) that needs to replace the one I have had the last 8 years as it now selects whatever it wants to play, or just grey noise by going off station, as I listen only to the radio down there.

And the Gorilla Kart looks worth it’s weight in brick pavers.

I also leave a pair of Dennis Jones’ working gloves in Prozac permanently as one usually forgets them the times you can really use them.

Good job Bob.
Hi Rian, I appreciate the visit and the kind words. I bought a boom box to use in Australia (1989) that played cassettes and CDs. It lived in the garage until 1996, when we moved into this house. The cassette player quit but I never fixed it, figuring the dusty environment was not ideal for a cassette player. It found a home in the workshop and it worked fine as a radio but in recent years it wandered like yours and having to fiddle with the tuning got annoying.
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Last year I replaced it with a Bose Wave radio and an iPod dock. It takes up a lot less space and stays locked on station when I'm not listening to the music on the iPod. It even freed up room for a workshop heater.
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I used to put a strap over my neck to lift a wheelbarrow by its handles but it was an accident waiting to happen. Rubbermaid came out with a sturdy 4-wheel wagon and I snapped it up. Two years ago one of the struts rusted through so I bought the Gorilla cart (and then fixed the Rubbermaid). The Gorilla is rated for 600 pounds but I've never tested that limit.

I have several gloves in the garage and workshop, including a few decent leather work gloves. I'm going to put a glove in the Corvette and another in the Cadillac. You never know when you're going to need them.
Why do you use hard PVC instead of the semi rigid black stuff for your sprinkler lines. And I so hear you one remembering the glove. For me, it's the reusable shopping bag in the trunk.
Kirk, as I recall, black plastic pipe was the go-to stuff up north. The PVC is almost universal for residential systems in Florida.

I thought putting multiple reusable bags would help but I still forget them. Actually I do remember them but it's always when I'm in the checkout line.
Because a shovel gets pushed right through the black stuff, the PVC at least gives you a warning it's there:lol_hitti
Craig, I also used to put my shovel through the sprinkler grade PVC so now I use Schedule 40 pipe. It's a little less flow but a lot fewer patches. I'm more careful now and rush a little less (retirement gives me that luxury).
Plus the wall thickness on the semi-rigid stuff is way thinner than the PVC pipe. Depending on your soil, bugs, critters and microbes like to eat the semi-rigid pipe so sooner or later, you're going to get a leak.


Been there, done that.


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Dan, it's also a cost thing. The black poly pipe is cheaper but is rated for 60 psi, very close to the pressure from my city water line. Schedule 40 PVC is rated at 320 psi.

For a reliable connection you need clamps on the poly pipe fittings. A slip-on plain poly Tee costs about $0.80 plus three stainless worm clamps at $0.60 each for a total of $2.60 per three-way junction. For an adapter Tee (two slip-on sides and a 1/2" pipe thread for a sprinkler head is $3.20 with the clamps. In white PVC glue-up those would be $0.23 and $0.29 respectively (plus the cost of pipe cleaner and glue).
 

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Evening Bob,

Blimey mate, at this rate your "To Do" list will be done by Easter. :thumbup:

Can I make a suggestion, if, only the speaker is going on your new shelf and not much more, why not glue the supports to the wall. We have various brand names here, No More Nails and No Nails spring to mind. I've used all types, sticking skirting and architraves, and nothings fell of yet. :)

Happy new year to you and Liane.
Steve:beer:
 

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You've been as busy as a one armed paper hanger! Great work.

Go ahead and stock the speaker shelf now. That flat space is making me squirm.

Looks like you did great clamping on the angle. Other methods are

1 use pin nails to hold the trim until the glue dries,
2 nail or screw 45 degree blocks to the wall side to give you clamp spots,
3 cut a 90 degree vee in a scrap board and balance it across the 90 degree corner and
4 clamp a pair of 1x4's to each side of the shelf then clamp on a block across the two boards.

You probably did the quickest.

I'm going to take a nap now.
 

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Hi Rian, I appreciate the visit and the kind words. I bought a boom box to use in Australia (1989) that played cassettes and CDs. It lived in the garage until 1996, when we moved into this house. The cassette player quit but I never fixed it, figuring the dusty environment was not ideal for a cassette player. It found a home in the workshop and it worked fine as a radio but in recent years it wandered like yours and having to fiddle with the tuning got annoying.
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Last year I replaced it with a Bose Wave radio and an iPod dock. It takes up a lot less space and stays locked on station when I'm not listening to the music on the iPod. It even freed up room for a workshop heater.
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I used to put a strap over my neck to lift a wheelbarrow by its handles but it was an accident waiting to happen. Rubbermaid came out with a sturdy 4-wheel wagon and I snapped it up. Two years ago one of the struts rusted through so I bought the Gorilla cart (and then fixed the Rubbermaid). The Gorilla is rated for 600 pounds but I've never tested that limit.

I have several gloves in the garage and workshop, including a few decent leather work gloves. I'm going to put a glove in the Corvette and another in the Cadillac. You never know when you're going to need them.

Kirk, as I recall, black plastic pipe was the go-to stuff up north. The PVC is almost universal for residential systems in Florida.

I thought putting multiple reusable bags would help but I still forget them. Actually I do remember them but it's always when I'm in the checkout line.

Craig, I also used to put my shovel through the sprinkler grade PVC so now I use Schedule 40 pipe. It's a little less flow but a lot fewer patches. I'm more careful now and rush a little less (retirement gives me that luxury).

Dan, it's also a cost thing. The black poly pipe is cheaper but is rated for 60 psi, very close to the pressure from my city water line. Schedule 40 PVC is rated at 320 psi.

For a reliable connection you need clamps on the poly pipe fittings. A slip-on plain poly Tee costs about $0.80 plus three stainless worm clamps at $0.60 each for a total of $2.60 per three-way junction. For an adapter Tee (two slip-on sides and a 1/2" pipe thread for a sprinkler head is $3.20 with the clamps. In white PVC glue-up those would be $0.23 and $0.29 respectively (plus the cost of pipe cleaner and glue).

I still have a cassette player, not hooked-up, sometime I'll go through that stuff, and dispose of the tapes, and recycle the electronics. Last time I tried to play a cassette tape, the machine ate the tape and I paid-attention to the capstan drives on the cassette decks, cleaning them with isopropyl alcohol and a q-tip. I think the tape just age-deteriorated to the point of becoming sticky, and doing its best imitation of an 8-track tape being eaten by the machine. A sign of the times, you almost-never see discarded cassette tapes on the side of the road, their entrails blowing in the wind, after some disgusted listener ripped the defunct plastic box from their stereo, and tossed it out their open window, faster than a Las Vegas divorce. The best cassette player I had was bought probably in the late 1970's, after I bought my Sansui 8080db receiver w/dolby. It was an electronic-display Pioneer, with the electronic, not analog, db meters which gave-off a soft blue glow as they responded to the sound. All the cassette lighting was the same color, I liked to sit in the dark, and to watch the electronic illumination while listening to the chosen music.

Now every time you see a set of speakers at a yard sale or a thrift store, you will be eyeing the foam rings to determine if they're replaceable.

You operating a wheelbarrow, jeez, my hat's off to you. I think one of those two-wheeled ones might help, but a lawn wagon makes a lot more sense. I scavenged a two-wheeled wheelbarrow awhile ago. I never had one. It had a rotted frame but the tub was OK, as-were the wheels/tires. Like fixing speakers, I have developed a habit of picking-up discarded wheelbarrows, or at-least stopping to inspect them, to-see if the components I need to save are OK. I buy an 8' PT 2 x 4, and rip it into 2 x 2's, a few different-length galvanized carriage bolts, some fender washers and nuts, and cut the lumber to-size, then bolt everything together. I use a router to put a wide-radius quarter-round on the first 18" of the handlebars. Presto, another wheelbarrow!

I have a great idea, why-don't you extend a line around your garage for your air compressor, using that 320-p.s.i.-rated PVC? :spit:
 

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Bob looks great. I would build a shelf for my radio but not enough older people here in Charleston to warrant us having a station that plays our music. I do have my coat hanger ready to install though; in case any even come close.
 

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Nice work on saving the Advent bookshelf speakers Bob. That reminds me I have a pair of Boston Acoustic speakers and the foam kit to repair them sitting and waiting for me to get busy.
Advent were great speakers (and still are) when I was in college and highly desirable although I could never afford them. My first pair of "towers" were home made and then I eventually graduated to a Radio Shack speaker pair. Those little guys should do well to sooth your bride with great sounding content.
Also it's kinda crazy now how pricey some vintage audio equipment is getting. Especially good working receivers and turn tables.

Keep On Rockin!:thumbup:

Bob
 
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Evening Bob,

Blimey mate, at this rate your "To Do" list will be done by Easter. :thumbup:

Can I make a suggestion, if, only the speaker is going on your new shelf and not much more, why not glue the supports to the wall. We have various brand names here, No More Nails and No Nails spring to mind. I've used all types, sticking skirting and architraves, and nothings fell of yet. :)

Happy new year to you and Liane.
Steve:beer:
Hello Steve! My "To Do" list is pretty fluid. Any time I check something off, three new things pop up.

Your suggestion to glue the supports is excellent. In my previous homes I used that technique often. The problem with this house is the original paint. They sprayed texture goop on the walls to get an orange-peel finish and then sprayed latex over that. I don't know what they used for the texture but it doesn't penetrate or adhere to anything but the joint compound. When I paint a room in the house I take a foot-wide knife and nick the surface with a corner and then slide the knife under the wall coating. Around 90% of the coating peels off in sheets and a few small areas need attention with a smaller blade. That corner of the garage hasn't been stripped because 1) it's the garage and 2) there is a water heater that makes the job a royal pain. A couple of strategic drywall screws should work fine.

Happy New Year to you, Jen and Chloe!
You've been as busy as a one armed paper hanger! Great work.

Go ahead and stock the speaker shelf now. That flat space is making me squirm.

Looks like you did great clamping on the angle. Other methods are

1 use pin nails to hold the trim until the glue dries,
2 nail or screw 45 degree blocks to the wall side to give you clamp spots,
3 cut a 90 degree vee in a scrap board and balance it across the 90 degree corner and
4 clamp a pair of 1x4's to each side of the shelf then clamp on a block across the two boards.

You probably did the quickest.

I'm going to take a nap now.
Andy, I forgot to wear my hat and mix up a vat of paste.

The shelf has been bumped down the list but maybe I can fill the empty space with stuff that will be fun to extract from behind the water heater.

I like all those ideas and next time I'm going to try at least one or three (actually, 4 sounds real good -- no holes to fill or wood to cut).

I just got up from my second nap of the day.
I still have a cassette player, not hooked-up, sometime I'll go through that stuff, and dispose of the tapes, and recycle the electronics. Last time I tried to play a cassette tape, the machine ate the tape and I paid-attention to the capstan drives on the cassette decks, cleaning them with isopropyl alcohol and a q-tip. I think the tape just age-deteriorated to the point of becoming sticky, and doing its best imitation of an 8-track tape being eaten by the machine. A sign of the times, you almost-never see discarded cassette tapes on the side of the road, their entrails blowing in the wind, after some disgusted listener ripped the defunct plastic box from their stereo, and tossed it out their open window, faster than a Las Vegas divorce. The best cassette player I had was bought probably in the late 1970's, after I bought my Sansui 8080db receiver w/dolby. It was an electronic-display Pioneer, with the electronic, not analog, db meters which gave-off a soft blue glow as they responded to the sound. All the cassette lighting was the same color, I liked to sit in the dark, and to watch the electronic illumination while listening to the chosen music.

Now every time you see a set of speakers at a yard sale or a thrift store, you will be eyeing the foam rings to determine if they're replaceable.

You operating a wheelbarrow, jeez, my hat's off to you. I think one of those two-wheeled ones might help, but a lawn wagon makes a lot more sense. I scavenged a two-wheeled wheelbarrow awhile ago. I never had one. It had a rotted frame but the tub was OK, as-were the wheels/tires. Like fixing speakers, I have developed a habit of picking-up discarded wheelbarrows, or at-least stopping to inspect them, to-see if the components I need to save are OK. I buy an 8' PT 2 x 4, and rip it into 2 x 2's, a few different-length galvanized carriage bolts, some fender washers and nuts, and cut the lumber to-size, then bolt everything together. I use a router to put a wide-radius quarter-round on the first 18" of the handlebars. Presto, another wheelbarrow!

I have a great idea, why-don't you extend a line around your garage for your air compressor, using that 320-p.s.i.-rated PVC? :spit:
Philip, I still have a JVC dual cassette on the shelf of shame. It goes with the two VCR/DVD players and two DVD players that we no longer use (Blue Ray has replaced all those).
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I kept the cassettes for the day when I can go through them and throw out the ones we have on CD. Then it will be a small group that get transferred to CD on the computer. I think it's the rubber on the capstans that get sticky rather than the tapes. There is a chance you can buy new capstan tires for the more popular/better quality machines. That is not even on my "To Do" list, any more than transferring 8-track cartridges -- I still have an 8-track recorder.
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I am resisting going to thrift stores or garage sales for anything. My next door neighbors run a consignment shop in Boca so they are at almost every garage sale in Palm Beach and Broward Counties. I almost asked them to let me know when they saw tool stashes at the garage sales but bit my tongue instead. My dumbest move was to go to a pawn shop. They wanted more than retail for beat up high-end stuff.

Like most things I did when I was younger, it was very entertaining -- the reason I had a sign on my desk: "Hire the Handicapped, We're Fun To Watch." Along with my two four-wheel wagons I have two two-wheel Rubbermaid garden carts. When the plastic wheels failed I couldn't find replacements for less than the cost of a new cart. I found cheap wheels last year but with smaller axles (all-thread to the rescue). Didn't spring for two sets because I wanted to see how well the cheap ones held up. It's almost time to buy a second set.

My under-bench compressed air system in my last house had PVC pipe but that was long before I found the Garage Journal. My current air system is a combination of galvanized and copper. The galvanized resides under the shallow cabinets next to the compressor and runs 60 feet (to cool the air and condense the water). The copper runs across the garage attic to the second air hose reel (and air shower). That hose is handy for drying freshly flossed wheels and crevasses in freshly washed cars.
Bob looks great. I would build a shelf for my radio but not enough older people here in Charleston to warrant us having a station that plays our music. I do have my coat hanger ready to install though; in case any even come close.
Bobby, we have plenty of old people in South Florida but the radio stations play "Classic Rock & Roll" from the '80s and '90s. On the rare occasions when I go to the thrift stores, I look through their CD collections. I found a dozen Do-Wop CDs for $1 each and ended up getting them half off (it was Tuesday, half-off for Seniors).

I caved in and figured out how to copy CDs to an iPod and now have 5 iPods with all "our" songs residing in the cars, garage and workshop. That's part of the reason I bought the Bose Wave -- an iPod can be connected to it. You can buy an iPod on eBay for less than $50 that only needs a new battery. There are lots of YouTube videos showing how to do that.
Nice work on saving the Advent bookshelf speakers Bob. That reminds me I have a pair of Boston Acoustic speakers and the foam kit to repair them sitting and waiting for me to get busy.
Advent were great speakers (and still are) when I was in college and highly desirable although I could never afford them. My first pair of "towers" were home made and then I eventually graduated to a Radio Shack speaker pair. Those little guys should do well to sooth your bride with great sounding content.
Also it's kinda crazy now how pricey some vintage audio equipment is getting. Especially good working receivers and turn tables.

Keep On Rockin!:thumbup:

Bob
Bob, it's funny you have a foam kit ready to go. When I bought my second Sony 400-CD changer I bought the two drive belts they eventually all need. I think I have quite a few repair kits that never got installed for stuff I probably no longer own. I'm starting to think I need a project list on Excel. Or maybe a dozen notebooks with project lists in them. Wait a minute, I have a Geezer book (with fountain pen). Not sure what that thing on the right does. :headscrat
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I'm glad to hear the Advent speakers are good quality. I should know that but my audio dreams fell apart when I used one of those fancy electronic calculators to determine my income divided by expenses left enough for one or two dreams and audio equipment wasn't one of them. Liane rarely worked outside the home but her frugality allow me to own a dreamish used Corvette and us to travel.
 

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