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Primer coat on. Spraying finish coat tomorrow.

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I also met with the flooring guy today and new carpet was ordered. This is the carpet with the new wall color.

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Loaded up ready for tomorrow. Got 18tons of stone coming first thing in the a.m. for the front yard.

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Wait....18 tons for the rental? So that means tractor and trailer and part of an elaborate accounting game to have fun stuff and pay less taxes. Nice!
 
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Wait....18 tons for the rental? So that means tractor and trailer and part of an elaborate accounting game to have fun stuff and pay less taxes. Nice!

Can I rent equipment from myself if it's leaving my residence haha. At least some depreciation because I'm wearing it out faster 🤷.

I do bill my hours to the rental since it takes away from work. Kind of a lost wages balance.
 

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Can I rent equipment from myself if it's leaving my residence haha. At least some depreciation because I'm wearing it out faster 🤷.

I do bill my hours to the rental since it takes away from work. Kind of a lost wages balance.


Yes you can...seen it a couple times....the common example I've seen:

A paper entity owning the equipment exists then a separate operating entity exists. Operating company leases/rents equipment from the rental company, allowing a nice reduction in profit thanks to lease deduction....but again you're moving the money from left pocket to right pocket of the same pants. Doesn't just have to be stuff on wheels....office equipment, office furniture, machines involved in the operation/production of said operating entity. Rental entity has the depreciation against their top line, but the lease rates are always variable due to "long term lease deductions" so it's a kinda moving game of what level of "reported" income wants claimed. This works better when plan is to be in this for the longer term as this structure makes selling the business a bit harder

Then comes the fun part....when your kids old enough to "legally" work(think 7 or 8 is the court tested age) and get paid...rental entity can pay them for work performed(needs to be legit work) but washing equipment, mowing etc...all can count and up to like $13k a year per kid can be wiped off that top line of the rental entity as you're trying to deduct your way to 0 paper profit. Kids would have to file taxes, but now with documented income and a W2 they can open a Roth IRA at 8 or 10 and put 6 or 6.5k a year into a roth as a 8 or 10 year old while also earning about money...and you just helped prepare them for longer term while also reducing your own tax burden....win win!

Costs a bit for accountant time plus the intial setup fee for establishing the structure....but in the small business structures I've seen it done in they've claimed a 20 to 50% savings on tax rate vs everything under a single entity. Then helping setup the kids...that's just gravy on top

Obviously not legal or financial advice...you've got your contacts locally to flesh that out....but I know several people in different business/states operating this type of structure
 
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Ok....I'll humbly admit. I have never claimed to be the sharpest tool in the shed. I just get by and sometimes slightly ahead (lol) in life by never being afraid of hard work or getting my hand dirty. The part about the potential for the kids to start funding a retirement account at such a young age is very intriguing. 🤔🤔
 

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I think worth ethic beats brains most of the time anyway....so you'll probably be ok ;)

You already have the small business option on the table with your current setup, so you could do that part already once the kids are old enough. Key thing I've heard is the work and pay must be legit and tracked just like it as a normal employee. Sure pay can be a premium, but needs to be "inline"....so can't pay the kid $1k/an hour for washing the tractor....well I guess you could....but expect a nasty encounter with the tax man if you get audited.

Article with a bit more details from the Legal side: https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/why-its-tax-smart-hire-your-children.html

A straight forward example that may or may not be what I'm thinking hard about...but not my creation, I've learned about it from others

Garage based hobby business making/selling widgets....Etsy, Farmers Markets, Craft Fairs...the what doesn't matter, just that you're getting paid

Let's say you sell $15k in a year...great! You have your accountant or whatever do your normal taxes for the LLC/S Corp whatever it is and you probably owe the tax man money. If your business paid you an hourly rate...well that's a salary expense that comes out of your business profitability and would lower the tax due there...but as this is a side hustle for you, you already have income and that extra W2 or 1099 increases your personal tax bill. Buying more equipment or other business expenses to lower profit is an option, but there is a limit where that's not as feasible and can make you equipment rich and cash poor. Coming from an ag background where it's all "Cash based accounting" there is significant % of farm failures/bankruptcy's due to the fact that they spent too much money "buying down" their tax liability with equipment that maybe wasn't really needed and when a tough year or two emerges there is no cash in the bank because that required profits and those all got artificially lowered via capital acquisitions

But if the side hustle pays the kids instead of the parents it gets more fun....

First with the standard deduction of $12k or $13k a year, the kids won't pay any income taxes until they get over that dollar value and even then it's going to be a lower tax rate than the parents likely pay

Now that they've got taxable income(that they didn't pay any taxes on), you can do the Roth IRA and put the annual max in of about 6,500 a year, even if contributions to that stop at college time, if they can get thru college and not touch it and normal 7 to 8% market rates over long time periods hold true they should be in great shape to help out Mom & Dad in your later years. Roth's also have the ability to take withdraws for education penalty free, and unlike 529 savings plans they're not currently considered "assets" when applying for Financial Aid so it's money that could be used but in financial aid eyes it doesn't exist.

So you've now passed money from the side hustle to the "kids" without them having to pay any taxes on it while also reducing the tax liability of the side hustle....and very possibly could reduce tax liability of side hustle to nothing. In the process you've hopefully helped teach the kids about money, work ethic, saving etc all while spending time with them...win win. And this doesn't just have to be work you're currently doing that the kids could do. I know a parent who was really interested in 3D printing and lots of ideas about things that could help him out but 0 time(or desire) to learn the CAD side....so he hired his son who was interested in that anyway to learn it. Bought the software and a printer for him, the son attended many hours of Youtube State University and learned it, now Dad gives a sketch or shows what he's wanting and the kid does the computer work, gets it made and earned the money to pay for his gaming computer....while also learning several valuable skills. The kid's in middle school....

Lots of articles you can find online about small business structure and how to do it to manage/mitigate taxes the best.....if you want to talk in more detail about what might work for you look for a local lawyer who is knowledgeable and good at maximizing small business legal structures. With your existing business you've already got the ability to get them working, so if the goal is to just get kids on payroll and legally "working", all that's missing is the tasks/structure to document what they're going to do when they're old enough.
 
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All so very interesting! Never thought this deep. I've always just been so focused on growth and being able to provide a good quality of life for employees. In the small business environment some of the employees have literally become like family. They attend family birthdays, we do bbq's, we go out to dinner as whole family. Hell we've ever been on vacations together.

You've now got me thinking that I may have most of leg work done on a structure like this.

We have the "day job" company.

But I also have a Homesteading LLC and we sell eggs, turkey's, ducks, chickens, goats, as well as my wife has been really getting into homemade breads and such. This is used to offset feed and vet bills etc. So the business buys all the feed and supplies and we sell off as head numbers get to high and my wife even takes orders for birds and will hatch them for people. Eggs go out the door almost daily at this point. I just have a cash box on the porch and people message my wife on what they want so we know how many to set out for the day. There lots a kid can do around a "farm" to earn his keep 🤔🤔

Same concept, I have a carpentry LLC and sell hand made furniture / anything somebody asks for, mostly just so I can buy tools. I have been considering hiring a "Broom Technician" or a "Horizontal Surface Cleanliness Supervisor".
 
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Yup, you've already got the legal entities there and lots of work on the Homesteading LLC so do the paperwork for the kiddo of age to bring on as an employee, determine how you're going to track hours/tasks and off to the races you go! I remember when I was 10 or 11 after we moved to the farm and spent a lot of time learning where the tools go and being "horizontal surface cleanliness technician" in the shop.

'After a couple years I got promoted to "Horizontal & Vertical Surface Cleanliness and Santiation Technican-II" which meant I no longer
pushed a broom in the shop, I now powerwashed and disinfected hog houses :LOL:
 

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18 tons. Moved, street cleaned and spread. 5 hours. Had 3 buckets left over. I didn't go all the to the property line, I'm going to add some edging and then fill in the strip......I don't want to be "loosing" my rock.

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Looks good. My gf house has rock and woodchips out front... Over the years I guess the rain has washed it away. Doesn't have any edging.
 
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Looks good. My gf house has rock and woodchips out front... Over the years I guess the rain has washed it away. Doesn't have any edging.

Yea you will loose some that way. I am going to put edging along the sidewalk and on the opposite far side of the photo. When the neighbors did their rock they had a paver border put in, so that only side is good 👍

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@loganb great ideas on teaching the kids the work ethic thing along with wealth building. If you feed a Roth IRA starting early on, the Rule of 72 will eventually supercharge their savings for retirement and they will be thanking you when we are all dead and buried.

Thanks...it's kinda stuck with my that one of the things my Dad said he regrets is not teaching my brother and I more about what to do with money once you save it. Did great teaching about saving, earning, spending wisely, but not much about it after that so something I've been trying to learn more about and get more involved in over the years. I was on payroll on the farm since 12 or 13 I think and don't think I spent my earnings foolishly looking back....but I was a teenage boy...so there was some things we all think could've/should've done differently then. I did the math once on how much more I'd have in my Roth had I put 15% of my paycheck into my Roth until I got into college and not touched it...I'm not complaining about where my retirement account is right now in my upper 30's...but it'd be lot nicer had I saved a bit of that money for 50 years down the road...vs for the car fund or gas fund or girlfriend fund....not sure which of those was the better investment?


@Boostingaz the rock is looking great...future tenants should be very pleased!
 
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"Visible" progress was not made on the inside today. It was a tape/caulk/final patch/sand day. So really nothing to photo, you'd just think we were all lazy lol. Hopefully back to spraying tomorrow. When I left to rush to meet my oldest at the buss stop one guy was staying for a few more hours of prep work. 👌
 
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@gearhead1960 and @loganb

I'm enjoying the finance lessons and education. I'm not bad with money, done very well, just not "smart" with money if that makes any sense. I think I'm in the same canoe as the young @loganb , I'm great at saving it.......but then.......not so much. Scared of losses, fear of lack of investment knowledge, etc lots of excuses. We do have a Simple IRA plan for ourselves and employees, which both myself and my wife max out each year which for 2023 is I believe 15.5k per person so there is 31k in contributions plus the 3% company matching. We have squirrelled away a decent amount each through that. But as Logan says, if I would've started when I was younger, shewwwee I can only imagine.....


Each of our kids have "college" accounts but they are just standard savings/money markets when they get big enough at the local credit union. This is where we stash their Christmas/Birthday/Valentine's Day/ every holiday known to man because they get cards with $$ from (great) Mamaw and Papaw and Nana and Pops.
 

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@Boostingaz and @loganb I learned early on to take advantage of any savings vehicle your employer offered. One of my first employers offered 401K, stock purchase plan and even the option to purchase US Savings Bonds. I knew I would be spending all of my income to support myself so signed up for everyone. I figured if I didn't see it, I wouldn't miss it and would have to live (or die) by what was left. It seems to have worked out. I'm on target to retire at 65 and so is the wife. She invested just as I did, although her stock (Freddie Mac) is worthless. I have imparted the same strategy to my 20 something and 30 something kids and they seem to have taken it to heart. If anything, put it away before you see it and you will never miss it. In the end, my wife and I (including retirement accounts) are worth well into 7 figures. It would not have happened if we did not start putting money away like we did when we were 20 somethings. Lastly, it's never too late or too early to start. I will also say that even with the volatility of the stock market, a well diversified (like a S & P 500 fund) will greatly reduce the risk of investing. Keep in mind that you are in it for the long term. There will be ups and downs. You cannot look at the investments everyday. It will take care of itself in the end.
 

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Keep in mind that you are in it for the long term. There will be ups and downs. You cannot look at the investments everyday. It will take care of itself in the end.

This is great advice...you're playing the long game when you invest your money.

Find a financial adviser that you trust and that understands your risk tolerance. That will make the whole picture easier. The one I work with will only bring me opportunties that match what I'm willing to take on, he knows better than to bring me some fly by night investment "opportunity". I don't dabble in too many singles stocks, but I do own a couple from companies that I want to support or have shown a good record of growth.

One of the positive things of our current rate market is the availability of 4-5% savings vehicles for cash like CDs and Money Markets.
 
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@gearhead1960 and @OutlawDrifter

Awesome stuff here. My wife has been really pressuring me to open an official investment account. So I think that will be the next step. Right now everything we have is in real estate, retirement plans and cash savings.

It's either that or we find a "real" business to invest in and partner with. But I don't want to be involved in anything that needs a time investment. I would want to be more of a silent partner but I'm sure that has more risk than the general market ?? 🤷
 
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@gearhead1960 and @OutlawDrifter

Awesome stuff here. My wife has been really pressuring me to open an official investment account. So I think that will be the next step. Right now everything we have is in real estate, retirement plans and cash savings.

It's either that or we find a "real" business to invest in and partner with. But I don't want to be involved in anything that needs a time investment. I would want to be more of a silent partner but I'm sure that has more risk than the general market ?? 🤷

My 2 cents for the little it's worth(hint...you'll probably get change back from the 2 cents)

Your cash savings, assuming it's sitting in a saving account in a bank is likely getting sub 2% interest. You can get short term CD's, short term bonds or high yield savings accounts paying 4.5 or higher and for several of the CD's have pretty good liquidity. Find a place that'll earn you more money(assuming it's in a conventional bank savings account) while still having easy access without significant penalities. Keeping some in a savings account tied to the bank so it's "instant" while having some others in a high yield or CD that might take a couple days to get your hands on if needed is pretty common

It's probably also prudent to mention the FDIC limit of insurance of $250k per depositer per bank given there have been 4 or 5 regional banks fail in the last 2 months. Staying under that limit would probably be prudent....or having it in one of the largest banks classified as "too big to fail". Cash Sweep accounts exist as well where a bank will automatically open and manage accounts in your name in other banks to keep your deposits under the 250k per bank level while only having to go to (1) bank to withdraw it

As mentioned, lots of advisors out there and guessing you have business relationships with several financial advisors. Generally they fall into 2 buckets....fee based or commission based. Most "guru's" recommend fee based fiduciaries so they're legally obligated to provide advice in your best interest, not the best interest of their commission structure. Not saying that all commission based reps are like that, but there are distinct differences

It's easy to open an account, with one of the larger brokerages...example Fidelity, Vanguard, TD, Schwab and setup an autodeposit/auto transfer from a checking on a weekly/monthly schedule....what you do with it once it's there is likely going to be more overwhelming, but they all have ways to make it easy

Assuming an investment in the general "stock market", your options in a brokerage for most people are going to fall into 2 buckets:

Equities: These are stocks....GM, Apple, Tesla etc-Assuming you're only buying equities(as opposed to derivatives like options) you're betting that the outlook in the company is positive in your investment time frame...be it short, medium or long. Most platforms can buy/sell equities for a very low or no fee/commission, so the transaction costs are very low

Indexes/ETF's-Index's are a "Basket" of equities put together to create a "benchmark" of a particular sector/industry or the entire economy....the NASDAQ or S&P 500 are both indexes. It's rather cost prohibitive for the average retail investor to trade the actual "index", so Exchange Traded Funds(ETF's) that mimic the index allow you to buy similar "exposure"....for example SPY is the largest ETF for the S&P 500, QQQ is the stock ticker for the largest NASDAQ ETF. Lots of other ETF's exist that allow you to get exposure to particular markets....US Entire Market, Global Markets, Latin America, Heavy industrial, Commodity indexes...and you aren't just betting on them to go up...Inverse ETF's that are intended to make holders profit when the value of the companies represented go down as well...and some are 2x or 3x leveraged....it's the worlds largest casino and legal in all 50 states!

With all that said, I think most fee based advisors would agree on 2 main things

-Time IN market beats timing THE market: AKA the vast majority of people can't accurately "time the market" and the vast majority are far better off putting money in on a frequency in an investment portfolio that matches their risk tolerance and timeline...and then forgetting about it

-Fee's matter-If you're looking at an annual return of 6 or 8% over 40 or 50 years...and 1 fund has a 1.5% fee and the other has a .15% fee...that makes a far bigger difference then most people realize on the size of the pot at the end of the rainbow. Jack Bogle https://www.investopedia.com/terms/j/john_bogle.asp Is considered the "father" of index investing, or buying an index of a broad sector and leaving it the hell alone. He founded Vanguard which still today runs some of the largest ETF's with the lowest fee structure in the US. Those who advocate for this approach often refer to themselves as "bogleheads" so if you find it while google searching investing...that's what they're talking about


As for the risk of general market vs being an investor/limited partner in a business....I'd say yes, the investor in business is riskier. You could invest money in the broad market on Monday...and then let's say it crashes huge over the following weeks....it's highly unlikely you loose more than 30 or 40% of the investment assuming you're in a broad market fund...and even if it does that, you can still get your cash back(minus the losses) in a couple days depending on the platform you're on.

Your limited partnership/silent investment has a much stronger chance of going to 0, and generally has very limited liquidity or ability to get funds back. Your withdraw process is generally going to be outlined in writing, but just because you want money out, doesn't mean that they'll want or be able to do it. You're highly reliant on the competency and capability of a very small group of people(possibly just 1)...so yes it can be very lucrative....but it is riskier and has lower liquidity.

You already have significant capital ******* in real estate which is essentially "illiquid". Yes it cash flows(hopefully positive) but unless you're doing a cash out refinance of a property, it's very hard to get real cash quickly out of that property. With the littles, the birds, the business, the other hobbies.....I expect most advisors would recommend a easy, safe but liquid broad market exposure approach. They may each have a different approach and with high levels of volatility right now some may recommend more into bonds or other "safer" assets paying rather high rates right now...but easy, simple, proven track record but available when you may need it seems to be a good starting place and hard to be ETF's or other low fee(low load in industry terms) broad market exposure solutions for that.
 

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Boosted that a great idea but you might want to throttle it back for bit before jumping in. All though I’ve had a real job for the last four years out here, I spent the previous 30yrs running my own companies. I took this job to build up what was a glorified service business (locally anyhow) into a multi million dollar a year construction business with some tremendous relationships with various public agencies.

So basically I’ve done my job and now I’m starting to get bored. It’s a struggle for me, retirement age is not far away but I’ve still got a shitload of energy left in me and I want to do another business again.

But after surviving the early 90’s, late 90’s and managing not to swallow a bullet in 8,9&10. I’ve got serious reservations that right now is the time to start anything with a heavy investment.

But what those times did teach me is the darkest hour brings the best value of your dollar into play. And as far as I’m concerned, we’re in for some very dark times. Hopefully I’m wrong.

Just saying 😉
 

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Cam beat me to my next comment on the topic...the volatility and uncertainty is a significant thing to consider.

Doesn't matter what your political or economic viewpoints are....it's hard to argue the whirlwind of the US stock market over the last 6 to 9 months and nobody is agreed on where it's going...but there is very broad consensus on it being a volatile ride no matter what direct it takes. The US economic engine runs on trust...trust in the banks, trust in their business partners....trust in the direction the .gov entities are going to take on regulations or laws impacting their sector.....right now that trust is shaken or broken for many sectors/markets.

Inflation numbers, jobs struggles, foreign influence, US Debt Ceiling, more inflation...more jobs struggle...declining corporate profits...banking sector concerns....a lot of unknowns are out there right now that could have significant impact on the broad market direction in the next 3 to 24 months.

In good news, you and are I relatively young and measure our time to hopefully "need" this money in decades...so our risk tolerance is likely higher than someone who may need it sooner. Means you can "afford" though you still wouldn't like a loss of 30% in a market fund (if it would happen). However sitting on the sidelines could give you an opportunity to buy lower...or the Federal Reserve could accomplish their "soft landing" target and we don't see a crash...and sitting on the sidelines cost you money.

We won't know what the "perfect" action was for several years....but if you aren't able to invest monthly and forget about it and not check it daily/weekly/monthly....think about what may bother you more....investing now and then having it loosing 30 or 40% over a couple weeks to a couple months......or not investing now....and not seeing a "lower low" and missing out on upside?
 
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I appreciate all the detailed insight and education here. It's something that I have been meaning to spend more time on as far as research, learning, etc and of course dabbling in. But I could come up with a million excuse why it hasn't happened yet.....time, present commitments, promised commitments, self employment ups/downs, you all get it.

It was mentioned a couple posts back by Logan regarding firms to open accounts at. My biggest problem is I deal with all these firms in my "day job" daily, and they all have pissed me off in one way or another. JP Morgan, TD Ameritrade, Fidelity, Morgan S, EJ, Vanguard, C Schwab, literally all of them, and just the thought of giving them MY money.......Ughhhh 😡. It's super unfortunate that I have been kinda jaded. I struggle with the decision of basically who is the lesser of all the evils lol. That's mostly what has held me back.

My wife and I have had some serious discussions regarding just selling the "day job" business and doing something easier lol. Just to tone down the stress levels for a bit haha. Sometimes I think it would be nice to just be an employee rather than boss/employee/HR/payroll department/ etc lol. One hat that you can take off at the end of the day sounds real nice instead of five that you can't......ever.
 

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You won’t last as an employee. You got too much drive and ability. It’ll kill you just like it kills me. What I do enjoy is not being the bank any longer.
 

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When I was about 10 years into my business, a wise person told me to analyze my customer base and I would probably find that 10% of my customer base was causing 75% of my grief. I would be better to kick them to the curb and use the time saved to pick up another 20%.

Took another 10 years to figure out he was right and implement a plan.

You might be at that point in your career.
 
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When I was about 10 years into my business, a wise person told me to analyze my customer base and I would probably find that 10% of my customer base was causing 75% of my grief. I would be better to kick them to the curb and use the time saved to pick up another 20%.

Took another 10 years to figure out he was right and implement a plan.

You might be at that point in your career.

This is 110% true!!

I have told my wife that there are about 5/6 clients that literally cause probably 99% of our grief lol. If we just dropped them it would be a great relief and we would be better off. We are at the point where we can afford to drop clients. I don't need them. I don't need messy clients. Yea sometimes they pay good.......eventually. But it's such a hassle to get there.

@Sifan you couldn't have hit the nail on the head any better here! I have told my wife that at this point we need to be way for selective but she just wants to help everyone. She has a good heart, better than mine I'll be the first to admit.
 

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@Boostingaz lots of good advice going on here and I understand your frustration on dealing with the brokerage houses. I have several comments...
-keep in mind that when the market is low and the value of your investment are down, this is the time to keep investing. Remember, that $20 ETF share you bought might now be worth $10, but now you can buy twice as many shares. The value (assuming you picked a good fund) will go back up, but now you own twice as many shares and the result is a larger amount of wealth.
-Swallow your pride on the brokerage houses. I use Schwab after USAA sold out. I've always managed my own investments, so I don't have to deal with a person too much. When I have, it's been OK. I'm dealing with my mother's estate right now with ML and I'm pulling all the funds from them. Also, With the phone apps these days, you can pretty much set things up yourself with a little guidance.
-Start small, just get started.......
 

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Currently employed in the banking industry.

I can't stress enough to not worry about the recent banks having issues, they are large banks that were mismanaged and some of that blame needs to fall on the fed/state regulators. The community bank that employs me is roughly $500million in asset size, and we are heavily capitalized. It would take some serious Earth shattering end-of-days scenarios for our customers' money to not be safe...and at that point, paper cash will probably be worthless anyways.

Finding a financial advisor that is "independent" would be my suggestion. Stay away from the franchises, and work with someone who has multiple avenues to park money, not just Fidelity/Vangaurd/Edward Jones/ETC.

Same goes for banks, the convenience of a BofA, Chase, or Wells Fargo is nice, but I'll take a smaller community bank any day of the week. They are more flexible in what they are willing to do, and generally they are more active in their communities. I'll occasionally pay a random ATM fee if it means when I call into my local branch they know me not only by name, but voice.
 
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Good stuff here.

I use a small-ish bank that is convenient to the house just for a bill pay checking account that way if I need to run and add funds it's quick.

Then everything else is parked in a local Credit Union which gives pretty good sized year end member bonuses and has a little bit better interest rates. I need to look at their current offerings of CDs and see what they have.

BoA, Chase, WF.......ehhhhhh again deal with them daily and it's not fun. It's a different side of things when I say they all piss me off. It's the legal teams. We have to deal with the legal teams since we access accounts via a court order, trust paperwork, etc etc and some of the responses we get from them are just asinine. Just read the damn order and follow it. It's all laid out black and white on what needs to be allowed and or restricted. They all want to try and interpret the law instead of follow it. It's not a matter of opinion lol follow the damn court order! Ok sorry rant over 😁
 

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It may help to think about the lawyers making life difficult for you as a bonus when thinking about your personal money....

"Which one of these groups causes me the most headaches and paperwork.....they seem to make it harder for other people to get money....regardless of if courts have ordered it....my money seems safer with them"

Cause I get it....when work and personal realms overlap, it can be hard to separate the pain a group causes in work from using them personally, but if their job and your job put you on opposites sides...well picking the one that causes the most annoyance and beer consumption may be a valid strategy :)

I do agree with Marc that I wouldn't worry too much about the recent bank failures, but as a small business owner with others payroll on the line as well as potential fiduciary responsibility for others funds, being aware of the risk level of funds over 250k in a single bank is important. As of yet, the Fed Reserve hasn't issued a blanket backstop policy for bank failures and coverage over the FDIC limit, so funds over that limit in a single institution are at risk and protection is up to the whims of federal regulators that week....not something that would make me sleep easier if my bank failed. 250k is a lot for a person compared to the US median bank account balance, but for a small business with employees it's really not that much.

And nice work on the hidden pencil drawer! I've 3d printed a pull out drawer in the tablesaw fence rail that holds a tape and pencils....so far the daughter hasn't found it!
 
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It may help to think about the lawyers making life difficult for you as a bonus when thinking about your personal money....

"Which one of these groups causes me the most headaches and paperwork.....they seem to make it harder for other people to get money....regardless of if courts have ordered it....my money seems safer with them"

Cause I get it....when work and personal realms overlap, it can be hard to separate the pain a group causes in work from using them personally, but if their job and your job put you on opposites sides...well picking the one that causes the most annoyance and beer consumption may be a valid strategy :)

I do agree with Marc that I wouldn't worry too much about the recent bank failures, but as a small business owner with others payroll on the line as well as potential fiduciary responsibility for others funds, being aware of the risk level of funds over 250k in a single bank is important. As of yet, the Fed Reserve hasn't issued a blanket backstop policy for bank failures and coverage over the FDIC limit, so funds over that limit in a single institution are at risk and protection is up to the whims of federal regulators that week....not something that would make me sleep easier if my bank failed. 250k is a lot for a person compared to the US median bank account balance, but for a small business with employees it's really not that much.

And nice work on the hidden pencil drawer! I've 3d printed a pull out drawer in the tablesaw fence rail that holds a tape and pencils....so far the daughter hasn't found it!

I get what your saying and when thought about from someone else's perspective it start to makes sense. A lot of times the difficulty stems from incompetence and or lack of knowledge of process and procedure. So it's really a pain in the *** because they just don't know what they are doing or how to do it.

So here is the kicker and the real scary part.......

If we walk into a bank with court orders (from the superior court mind you, not some podunk city or civil court) they have to go through legal which is usually not done on the spot. They get sent through some internal type portal or email system to a corp center where legal can review and approve and or deny them. So it's usually a two appointment process. One to take in the orders because that have to "touch" and scan/send the court clerk certified ones and then a second visit to actually get added to the account after legal approval. With COVID actually some banks have gotten better and can do it all in one sitting or they will now sometimes accept an email copy from us to at least get approved and will just verify the real ones when we come in to do our business. Anyways court docs are scrutinized and have to be processed in a certain fashion is long story short.

Now flip side of the coin.......walk in with a standard fill in the blank POA printed off the attorney general's website. You can almost access that account within minutes. Joe Blow off the street can figure out how to print a POA and I'm sure also find a notary to throw a few bucks at. Long story short here is a POA will almost get you keys to the kingdom......where an order signed by a judge is like rocket science.

*** backwards logic. Always makes me mad. My wife will sit at the bank for hours (like 3-4 hours sometimes) while a manager is on the phone arguing with legal that they are wrong haha.

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The pencil box was kind of a bad picture sorry. I'll get a better one. It's actually a box that is suspended under the big work table and just has a removable lid. Was kind of nerve-racking cutting a big hole in the top of the table haha.
 

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I just looked my credit union savings account is sitting at 1.71% or here is the table of what my "bank" offers in the way of CDs.




Probably are others, but that's an easy way to find rates being paid for various products on a single page.....CD's with terms at short of 6 months paying 5% or so

Here is a better representation of my hidey hole 🤣

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I like it! Only comment...can you swap the solid bottom for a piece of expanded metal or wire mesh so you can reduce the amount of sawdust it catches?
 
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Probably are others, but that's an easy way to find rates being paid for various products on a single page.....CD's with terms at short of 6 months paying 5% or so



I like it! Only comment...can you swap the solid bottom for a piece of expanded metal or wire mesh so you can reduce the amount of sawdust it catches?

I surely can. But it's on the "clean" / assembly side of the shop which will be separate by a roll up door here shortly so it shouldn't catch much dust. It will also be covered up with a rubber work station mat so it really shouldn't be a dust magnet. Easy to do later if the vacuum becomes required haha.
 
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