Bosch Reaxx: Take That Sawstop

[Conductor562]

Anybody seen the new Bosch Reaxx table saw? It's got the blade stop technology similar to Sawstop, but without the expensive part replacement and ******* inventor. If you trigger it, it can be reset in 60 seconds with only a small cartridge replacement.

No idea what the cartridge cost will be, but I have to imagine it would be less than the cost of the blade.

http://professional-power-tool-guide.com/2015/03/bosch-reaxx-table-saw-in-the-flesh-gts1041a-video/

 

[LB-1911]

Bosch coming out with alternative to SawStop...
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=284749

I see Bosch posted a press release today:

Bosch GTS1041A REAXX™ Portable Jobsite Table Saw Takes User Safety to the Next Level, and Saves the Blade Too

http://www.boschtools.com/AboutBosc...+Active+Response+Technology&utm_medium=email#

and Gizmodo posted something:
http://gizmodo.com/flesh-detecting-table-saw-instantly-drops-the-blade-wit-1692223340

 

[Kirbot]

Looks like a much more sensible design than the sawstop.
I wouldn't mind having one of these at all.

 

[zkling]

Here's what jumped out to me

$1499 MSRP - ~2-3x the cost of most current jobsite saws, going to be hard to justify.
Smart phone app talks to the saw really?

I wonder if, or how Dewalt will respond.

 

[the gypsy]

Anybody seen the new Bosch Reaxx table saw? It's got the blade stop technology similar to Sawstop, but without the expensive part replacement and ******* inventor. If you trigger it, it can be reset in 60 seconds with only a small cartridge replacement.

No idea what the cartridge cost will be, but I have to imagine it would be less than the cost of the blade.

http://professional-power-tool-guide.com/2015/03/bosch-reaxx-table-saw-in-the-flesh-gts1041a-video/

I am not looking for a fight here, but if it wasn't for the Sawstop, I wonder if anybody would have thought of reinventing the wheel. Nobody ever thought of building a safer saw until Sawstop. Like any other invention out there, people take an idea and try to improve on it at the same time trying to make it less expensive or more profitable. I say good luck to both companies.

Maybe now another company will try and make a kit that we can buy for most of the present saw setups so that we don't have to throw out the old to replace with the new.

 

[the gypsy]

Ooops I did not realize how much the Reaxx is going for. WOW. I will wait for some others to build their version of the safe saw.

 

[Kracin]

can somebody please let both these companies know that we need a safe hammer also? put a rocket inside the handle so if you touch your thumb with it, it ignites and shoots away from your thumb, saving you the agony of a beat up thumb?

 

[PugetDude]

can somebody please let both these companies know that we need a safe hammer also? put a rocket inside the handle so if you touch your thumb with it, it ignites and shoots away from your thumb, saving you the agony of a beat up thumb?

Or scissors that automatically retract if you try to run with them?

 

[Todd.Brock]

Look at the cost of a sawstop saw and there is a solid premium for the technogy. I guess it just comes down to How much are your fingers worth! I agree they could flood the market with a retrofit kit. That would be worth a couple of bucks.

 

[BigNuge]

Just one trip to the ER and that system would be paid for...easily.

 

[Conductor562]

I am not looking for a fight here, but if it wasn't for the Sawstop, I wonder if anybody would have thought of reinventing the wheel. Nobody ever thought of building a safer saw until Sawstop. Like any other invention out there, people take an idea and try to improve on it at the same time trying to make it less expensive or more profitable. I say good luck to both companies.

Maybe now another company will try and make a kit that we can buy for most of the present saw setups so that we don't have to throw out the old to replace with the new.

I don't disagree with that statement at all. The Sawstop guy just rubbed me the wrong way with his campaign to have his design shoved up everyone's ***. If my DeWalt saw takes a dirt nap tomorrow I'll go pay $500 for a new one. At $1500 it becomes a much more significant purchase decision and something that might take me a couple months to pull off.

I'm all for the technology, but I'm not for some legislative body telling me I have to buy it at 3X's the cost. There's enough of that already

 

[404]

For a business that supplies the tools for employee workers, avoiding a workers comp claim and lost time injury might be worth the cost of the saw.

For the rest of us we will just have to keep paying attention to what we are doing.

I like this saw as long as we can CHOOSE to buy it or not.

 

[G_P]

Smart phone app talks to the saw

LOL Probably makes your phone open a link to a site where you can buy a new cartridge when you trip it.

 

[pcmeiners]

"LOL Probably makes your phone open a link to a site" of all hand surgeons in your area, when you take the saw off safety.

$1500 for a plastic saw, nice
15 Amps= 4 HP, if that is true I can leap tall building in a single bound. Should be able to handle a few crosscut of a 2x8 without heating up.

Smart phone app talks to the saw.. is that hands free or can we hold the phone while cutting? Will OSHA sponsor a law requiring hands free conversation with the saw? Can someone sue both the saw manufacturer and the phone producer when they cut off a hand?

Guess who owns a SawStop?

 

[the gypsy]

Hi conductor, I guess he is doing exactly what the pharmaceutical companies do when they discover a new remedy. He is running with his idea before someone else either finds a better way of creating a safe saw or worse, that they run to china with the idea and produce cheap knock offs.
Although I agree with you that the price is high, his Sawstop is expensive to demonstrate so not only is he trying to recuperate the money for the R&D he also has to add the cost of the demonstrations.
I think that Bosch should be cheaper, just because the cost of demonstration are not as high as the Sawstop.

 

[neophyte]

I am not looking for a fight here, but if it wasn't for the Sawstop, I wonder if anybody would have thought of reinventing the wheel. Nobody ever thought of building a safer saw until Sawstop. Like any other invention out there, people take an idea and try to improve on it at the same time trying to make it less expensive or more profitable. I say good luck to both companies.

Maybe now another company will try and make a kit that we can buy for most of the present saw setups so that we don't have to throw out the old to replace with the new.

There were safer tablesaw designs made in Europe for decades before the Sawstop saw was designed and produced. Inca, Felder, Hammer Knapp, and a bunch of other manufacturers whose saws were and sometimes still are sold in the USA produced them. Some of the lower priced saws weren't far off in price from some of the higher end USA made saws. If you consider high end industrial saws like Northfield, some of the European saws were actually less expensive.

It was after Sawstop entered the market with their saw that the US safety standards were changed to a better guard design.

 

[neophyte]

Just one trip to the ER and that system would be paid for...easily.

The problem with The Sawstop and Bosch systems is there are only four saws that use something like it, and there are no upgrade kits foe the wide variety of saws that are currently in use. While most of the saws cost less than the cost of an uninsured trip to the emergency room, many tablesaw accidents don't really need that sort of medical attention, and there are many people who haven't ever required medical attention from an accident using their tablesaw.

Non of the Sawstop options really replaces a number of the special European saw designs I mentioned above either.

 

[the gypsy]

I am sorry I am not familiar with the european design.

What made their design safer?

 

[PugetDude]

Should be able to handle a few crosscut of a 2x8 without heating up.

You might want to talk to someone who owns a Bosch saw before you make ridiculous claims like this for all the world wide web to see.

 

[neophyte]

I am sorry I am not familiar with the european design.

What made their design safer?

I'm a it tired of typing at the moment. This is an article that covers the differences. Not all of them actually apply to the saws that I mentioned, but the riving knife design, and ease of removing the blade guard when necessary are two main points. Many European sliding tablesaws are also different from what is available from US brands.

http://www.popularwoodworking.com/article/what_you_dont_know_about_european_saws

 

[kctyphoon]

Hi conductor, I guess he is doing exactly what the pharmaceutical companies do when they discover a new remedy. He is running with his idea before someone else either finds a better way of creating a safe saw or worse, that they run to china with the idea and produce cheap knock offs.
Although I agree with you that the price is high, his Sawstop is expensive to demonstrate so not only is he trying to recuperate the money for the R&D he also has to add the cost of the demonstrations.
I think that Bosch should be cheaper, just because the cost of demonstration are not as high as the Sawstop.

you cant honestly belive this.

 

[UncleJoe]

When I first saw the SawStop demonstrated I knew that when it came time to buy a new saw I would want one with this type of safety feature. I am pleased to see competition in the field because we all know that this will help with pricing and product improvement.

I have very safe habits when I work but I am also well aware that accidents can happen. To those that think the saw is too expensive I would simple ask how long they think the recovery time is from a serious table saw accident. One veteran professional woodworker I know had an accident and he was out of work for 27 weeks.

Can you live on disability for 27 weeks? Do you have disability? Are you self employed? What happens to your business should you have an accident.? We all think we are safe but i would bet you know at least one careful person that was involved in an accident.

I like what I see in the Bosch. My current table saw has not been used in 5 years since I moved to Festool but there are times I could use it. I will be getting a new saw soon and it will have this type of safety feature. From the little I have seen I prefer the Bosch but I will wait a little while to see how the whole thing shakes out.

Of course I could just wait a few months and I am sure Harbor Freight will have a knock off. ;-)

 

[gungatim]

I am not looking for a fight here, but if it wasn't for the Sawstop, I wonder if anybody would have thought of reinventing the wheel. Nobody ever thought of building a safer saw until Sawstop. Like any other invention out there, people take an idea and try to improve on it at the same time trying to make it less expensive or more profitable. I say good luck to both companies.

Maybe now another company will try and make a kit that we can buy for most of the present saw setups so that we don't have to throw out the old to replace with the new.

not going to fight either, been enough of that on the WW forums, but I don't think sawstop gets all the credit. There are literally thousands of ideas out there, patents, ideas, etc. people are reinventing the wheel all the time. Problem is, they are not always marketable, or even profitable.

 

[ilovevocs]

Personally I think we have become a nation wussys. Im all for cultural equality and treating people with respect but I don't need hand sanitizer dispensers within an arms reach all of the time and this technology is interesting and will lower accident rates but I wont pay a premium for it. What about my mill, lathe, angle grinder, sander, bench grinder. Good safety practices and proper tool use has been prevents accidents for years. Pick up a push stick and keep your fingers away from the saw.

Honestly we have a local GC that requires all workers on the project to wear gloves. Most of the tasks my employees perform require both a high degree of dexterity and gloves make most of the tasks more dangerous. They don't allow any of their carpenters to work with womanized wood because its a health hazard...Its just out of hand. Were quickly reaching a point as a society where we are all going to show up to work in kakis and a blue collared shirt and come home clean.

Rant over..

 

[zkling]

They had a few of the saw stops at college. They are nice table saws, and for a school setting I can understand the benefits.

I worked with a young woman whom was missing a few fingers on her right hand thanks to a shop class table saw accident. Makes me shudder every once in a while. Then again I fail to see how a table saw is any more dangerous than a bandsaw, lathe, miter saw, in the hands of a...... properly confident operator.

 

[pcmeiners]

"You might want to talk to someone who owns a Bosch saw before you make ridiculous claims like this for all the world wide web to see."

The comment was for people with intelligence, never expected anyone to take this literally, I can't help those that do.

 

[the gypsy]

Hi kctyphoon. Which part of may opinion do you disagree with?

 

[the gypsy]

Hi gungatin. When I was talking about re-inventing the wheel I wasn't referring to all the other products out there. The "wheel" I was referring to was the saw.
You are right there are many ideas, patents out there, but like you said they may not be marketable or profitable. I personally believe there is a market for a safer saw.

Accidents are called accidents because we do not plan for them.

 

[Sal Bandini]

Hi gungatin. When I was talking about re-inventing the wheel I wasn't referring to all the other products out there. The "wheel" I was referring to was the saw.
You are right there are many ideas, patents out there, but like you said they may not be marketable or profitable. I personally believe there is a market for a safer saw.

Accidents are called accidents because we do not plan for them.

To get pedantic an accident is unavoidable or happens by chance. I would argue that cutting off your fingers is avoidable.

You have to be EXTREMELY careless to cut off your fingers on a table saw.

Push sticks don't bleed. Use them.