Between 485 & 705 SQ/FT British Garage planned
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Workspaces between 485 and 705 squarefeet.
Just hit BIN on a pair of hardwood garage doors for the single car entrance in the back wall. £80 plus whatever it costs me in fuel to collect from the next county. These would cost in the region of £5-600 brand new so I'm happy. At least now the builder can build the back wall to fit the doors and windows I've got.
Good luck with getting the rest of your approvals done. I know there are good reasons for some of it, but the hoops you wind up having to go through for even simple builds seems quite ridiculous sometimes. Just finished putting a deck on my house -- there's barely a foot of clearance between the deck and the ground (and in some places almost none) but it still required engineering plans, permits, approvals, inspections, the whole lot.
Keep the faith, and great score on the doors!
Keep the faith, and great score on the doors!
MG David
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With a deck you should leave a crawl space for when you go down there after the rats that are after the dropped BBQ food. Guess how I know!
Next time I will have paving.
Next time I will have paving.
Finally got building control approval for my garage today 
and the bill from the architect .
So now I need to give the plans etc to the builder so he can come up with a costed staged build plan. I can't afford to do it all at once so it'll be a case of saving up to pay for each stage.
At a guess stages 1 will be foundations, drains, electrical link to house, dpm and slab.
Stage 2 will be build the walls incorporating my second-hand windows and doors.
Stage 3 will be the roof.
Stage 4 will be the roller shutter door and interior electrics.
Then it's down to me to insulate paint etc before building workbenches, shelving etc. Only then will the tools and cars take up residence.
If I'm really, really lucky I might get it all done by Christmas 2012 (Olympics will hopefully earn me a few quid )
and the bill from the architect .So now I need to give the plans etc to the builder so he can come up with a costed staged build plan. I can't afford to do it all at once so it'll be a case of saving up to pay for each stage.
At a guess stages 1 will be foundations, drains, electrical link to house, dpm and slab.
Stage 2 will be build the walls incorporating my second-hand windows and doors.
Stage 3 will be the roof.
Stage 4 will be the roller shutter door and interior electrics.
Then it's down to me to insulate paint etc before building workbenches, shelving etc. Only then will the tools and cars take up residence.
If I'm really, really lucky I might get it all done by Christmas 2012 (Olympics will hopefully earn me a few quid
)That describes mine almost to a T -- '59 (built November '59, titled as a '60), well built 1275, front discs. My first real classic as well. Good fun.
Grizz1963
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Good to see you continue to progress Baz.
That describes mine almost to a T -- '59 (built November '59, titled as a '60), well built 1275, front discs. My first real classic as well. Good fun.
Here's a few pics of mine: 1275 with Oselli fast road unleaded head, twin 1.25" SUs on an inlet manifold modified per Dave Vizard, K&N ram air filters, custom built Maniflow straight through LCB manifold and exhaust system, wire wheels, Frontline suspension upgrade, electric fan and uprated cooling system. Loved it!
Built it from the ground up from '94-'95 in that tiny garage. Sold it around '02. Was my daily driver for 18 months. Oh, and I'm 6'2" so if the roof was up I had to remove the seat cushion and sit on the floor!
Sounds like your Sprite was a screamer. I'm 6'1" so I know the height issues, though I do seem to fit just fine in mine. Getting in and out (especially with the top up) is a little bit ungraceful, but there you go.
Grizz1963
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I tend to crawl in there, search, curse and find what I want, use it, then put it back till next time, when I do the same again.
However, being unemployed from next week will see me with no excuse not to clean up, sort out and put up shelving etc for the stuff that currently clutters everywhere.
We are also having work done indoors, plumbing and some wall breaking down.
So I am quite busy.
Will start actively looking for a new job in January.
Mark H
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Look forward to the build starting!
I can sympathise with you regarding 'planning'.I had planned to demolish an old cottage and build a new steel portal framed workshop.First off they said I could build under permitted development but due to the size(108 sq mtr),I'd need a building warrant.Also I apparently didn't need permission to demolish as the cottage had been derelict for so long.I was well happy!
Planning officer advised me to write a brief description of what I planned and they would confirm in writing that I was o.k. to proceed.
Confirmation letter arrived.
They now wanted full planning application with architects plans,independant structural engineers report(my sons and I are all steel fabricators,my eldest son owns a company which manufactures and installs portal frames!)for the new build,full planning application and mission statement to demolish the cottage and the list goes on!
I must have pissed someone off!
It was getting overly complicated and expensive so gave the idea up as a bad joke.
I'm now rennovating the old cottage and converting that into my new garage.It's been used as a workshop in the past so no planning required!
Sorry for the rant but,I had to get it off my chest!
I can sympathise with you regarding 'planning'.I had planned to demolish an old cottage and build a new steel portal framed workshop.First off they said I could build under permitted development but due to the size(108 sq mtr),I'd need a building warrant.Also I apparently didn't need permission to demolish as the cottage had been derelict for so long.I was well happy!
Planning officer advised me to write a brief description of what I planned and they would confirm in writing that I was o.k. to proceed.
Confirmation letter arrived.
They now wanted full planning application with architects plans,independant structural engineers report(my sons and I are all steel fabricators,my eldest son owns a company which manufactures and installs portal frames!)for the new build,full planning application and mission statement to demolish the cottage and the list goes on!
I must have pissed someone off!
It was getting overly complicated and expensive so gave the idea up as a bad joke.
I'm now rennovating the old cottage and converting that into my new garage.It's been used as a workshop in the past so no planning required!
Sorry for the rant but,I had to get it off my chest!
Mark H
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Cheers Baz.Wouldn't hold your breath for up-dates though,we've just had our first snow.It's going to get pretty bad by all accounts!
Good luck with the builders.
Good luck with the builders.
51rider
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Baz,
I had an interesting conversation with buildng control last week regarding my garage & the question was asked ' is it heated?' Before I had time to answer the question, he went on & said, 'if you tell me that you are heating it, you will have to construct it in accordance with the latest part L buiding regs, which would mean 75mm of insulation in the floor and insulation over the face of any studing'.
I'm sure you can guess what I said........
I can't recall what you are doing for heating if anything but it might be worth remembering.
I had an interesting conversation with buildng control last week regarding my garage & the question was asked ' is it heated?' Before I had time to answer the question, he went on & said, 'if you tell me that you are heating it, you will have to construct it in accordance with the latest part L buiding regs, which would mean 75mm of insulation in the floor and insulation over the face of any studing'.
I'm sure you can guess what I said........
I can't recall what you are doing for heating if anything but it might be worth remembering.
Met with the builder this morning. It's not going to be cheap as such due to the size but he will do everything he can to keep my costs down.
He actually retired in December but his work is so good that previous customers (inc me) won't let him retire! He feels obliged to do the work because he considers all his customers as friends and doesn't want to let them down.
I left him with a copy of the plans plus some notes I've made regarding power supply etc. He's going to start pricing each stage up and do another site visit in the next few weeks (he has a 2 week holiday booked and a few jobs to do before then).
Time isn't a major issue for me as it gives me the opportunity to save/generate the funds for the later stages. I don't expect to have the building completed before summer 2012.
Anyway, that's another small step towards the dream.
. He actually retired in December but his work is so good that previous customers (inc me) won't let him retire! He feels obliged to do the work because he considers all his customers as friends and doesn't want to let them down.
I left him with a copy of the plans plus some notes I've made regarding power supply etc. He's going to start pricing each stage up and do another site visit in the next few weeks (he has a 2 week holiday booked and a few jobs to do before then).
Time isn't a major issue for me as it gives me the opportunity to save/generate the funds for the later stages. I don't expect to have the building completed before summer 2012.
Anyway, that's another small step towards the dream.
Builder came round on Monday to have another look re access for deliveries etc. From our discussions it looks like I'm going to have to have a major re-think as the cost of materials has gone up a hell of a lot recently. Added to that there's the cost of diggers, security and countless other things I hadn't really considered.
Initial thoughts are to go slightly smaller which will save a couple of grand in ground works and building materials but still give me the room I need for my remaining 3 cars and workbench/storage etc.
May even look at going for a timber garage as one neighbour has one filling the bottom of his garden. A timber one 20' x 30' (I was going for 22' x 35') will come in a lot cheaper than a brick-built. It should also be OK on a simple slab instead of full 1.5m footings and slab which will be much cheaper too.
Initial thoughts are to go slightly smaller which will save a couple of grand in ground works and building materials but still give me the room I need for my remaining 3 cars and workbench/storage etc.
May even look at going for a timber garage as one neighbour has one filling the bottom of his garden. A timber one 20' x 30' (I was going for 22' x 35') will come in a lot cheaper than a brick-built. It should also be OK on a simple slab instead of full 1.5m footings and slab which will be much cheaper too.
Mark H
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Hi Baz.You're not wrong about costs!I've been trying to keep my costs down as much as poss by doing whatever I can myself.Even dug the foundations myself,wth a shovel(mug!LOL).
I know they're not as widespread down your way as they are in Scotland but,have you considered getting a quote from a timber frame kit manufacturer?The beauty of timber frame construction is that once the slab is ready,it can be up and wind/watertight in days.Usual procedure then is to build an outer skin of brick or block.OR,what Im doing.Once the timber frame is up,I'm going to fit vertical battens,metal mesh and then render.Should keep costs down some.
I know they're not as widespread down your way as they are in Scotland but,have you considered getting a quote from a timber frame kit manufacturer?The beauty of timber frame construction is that once the slab is ready,it can be up and wind/watertight in days.Usual procedure then is to build an outer skin of brick or block.OR,what Im doing.Once the timber frame is up,I'm going to fit vertical battens,metal mesh and then render.Should keep costs down some.
Grizz1963
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If you look at the lifespan of a well maintained shed or timber frame home, 30 plus years should be easily achievable.
As mentioned by Mark, and I think you know it anyway, doing as much labour yourself as possible, saves a packet.
As mentioned by Mark, and I think you know it anyway, doing as much labour yourself as possible, saves a packet.
Unfortunately a dodgy back means I won't be doing any digging myself. I like the rendering idea but once the walls etc are up there won't be room to get in and render.
Current plan is to get the slab laid and electric out to it, then get a timber garage delivered and erected on the slab. I can get a 30' long x 20' wide one built to my spec's, delivered and erected for around £4k.
Things may change for me financially in the next couple of months which may dictate putting everything on hold anyway so maybe all these delays will mean I haven't wasted too much cash!
Watch this space!
Current plan is to get the slab laid and electric out to it, then get a timber garage delivered and erected on the slab. I can get a 30' long x 20' wide one built to my spec's, delivered and erected for around £4k.
Things may change for me financially in the next couple of months which may dictate putting everything on hold anyway so maybe all these delays will mean I haven't wasted too much cash!
Watch this space!
Mark H
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I suffer with back problems too so,digging digging myself was probably not the wisest idea I've had!Took me ages and I did suffer a bit for a few days.
4k for a 30x20 sounds good.I suppose that if things change and your budget increases,you could use the extra cash to kit it out.
Hope it all works out for you.
Mark.
4k for a 30x20 sounds good.I suppose that if things change and your budget increases,you could use the extra cash to kit it out.
Hope it all works out for you.
Mark.
felixgogo
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Hi Baz,
My last garage was a 20x10 timber building. It had a single engineering brick base, and a damp course membrane. I got a slightly larger roof (so the roofs were each an 8 foor sheet, so it had a larger than normal overhang.
That garage rocked! It was naturally warm and dry, no condensation, and as the car was a little Seven, plenty of room to work.
I brought it in '97 and it is still going strong now, I haven't touched it maintenance wise in that time.
Don't think that a timber garage is a compromise, my grandpa built one in the 1930's for his Model A lorries, he moved and remodelled it in the 70s, reused the railway sleeper floor and made it into a 30x15 workshop. It is still standing. As a boy I loved being in there, the smell of timber and cresote, the ticking of an old factory 'clocking-in' clock he had from his factory as his shop clock will be with me always.
So I reckon go for a timber garage. The great thing is, you can take it with you when you move! That and also the walls are a bit thinner than brick or block, so slightly more room inside.
I got mine from Warwick Garages, I liked how the framing on theirs was more chunky than others, and the whole thing is lined in 1/4" ply, and then the weatherboarding on top. They are great quality. Check out their website.
http://www.warwickgarages.co.uk/
If I have another 'overflow' garage I will have timber again. Just check the quality of a few before you buy.
My last garage was a 20x10 timber building. It had a single engineering brick base, and a damp course membrane. I got a slightly larger roof (so the roofs were each an 8 foor sheet, so it had a larger than normal overhang.
That garage rocked! It was naturally warm and dry, no condensation, and as the car was a little Seven, plenty of room to work.
I brought it in '97 and it is still going strong now, I haven't touched it maintenance wise in that time.
Don't think that a timber garage is a compromise, my grandpa built one in the 1930's for his Model A lorries, he moved and remodelled it in the 70s, reused the railway sleeper floor and made it into a 30x15 workshop. It is still standing. As a boy I loved being in there, the smell of timber and cresote, the ticking of an old factory 'clocking-in' clock he had from his factory as his shop clock will be with me always.
So I reckon go for a timber garage. The great thing is, you can take it with you when you move! That and also the walls are a bit thinner than brick or block, so slightly more room inside.
I got mine from Warwick Garages, I liked how the framing on theirs was more chunky than others, and the whole thing is lined in 1/4" ply, and then the weatherboarding on top. They are great quality. Check out their website.
http://www.warwickgarages.co.uk/
If I have another 'overflow' garage I will have timber again. Just check the quality of a few before you buy.
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I've nothing against timber garages at all. In fact insulating one is easier as the frame creates the 'cavity' rather than having to screw countless battens to the brick wall. The local 'codes' say you can't build within 1metre of the boundary unless it's with non-combustible materials. But, as a neighbour has done just that I'm going to go for it and see what happens.
This is the neighbour's garage (in green), right up to the boundary on both sides and about 5-6 feet from the boundary onto the alley:
The new garage will fill the space between the neighbouring garages seen here:
This is the neighbour's garage (in green), right up to the boundary on both sides and about 5-6 feet from the boundary onto the alley:
The new garage will fill the space between the neighbouring garages seen here:
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felixgogo
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That's the strange thing about UK planning permission, I also frequent the UK Workshop forum, and they also mention this 'has to be non combustable' if less than 1m from the boundary rule. But in very street in every town one can see sheds of all sizes that clearly don't conform.
I am a believer that if a building is discrete, and not shouting it's existance at you, then one can get away with it.
Anyway - really looking forward to the time when you can come on his forum and tell us you have 'broken ground' and started on your dream.
Cheers!
I am a believer that if a building is discrete, and not shouting it's existance at you, then one can get away with it.
Anyway - really looking forward to the time when you can come on his forum and tell us you have 'broken ground' and started on your dream.
Cheers!