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Here are some pics of my Grandfathers 1974 catalogue showing screwdrivers, and some sets that include them.

At this time, Britool was clearly part of James Neil, but they had yet to start cheapening the tools, which were still of the 'classic' pattern. Under James Neil they switched to the blue nylon handle ratchets, extensions lost their characteristic hole for a tommy bar, the beautiful crackle finish boxes disappeared, and of course the finish detiorated.
 

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Some of my Britool handtools,from the 1/2 drive ratchet,1/4 flexhead and a stud extractor.
 

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Here are some pics of my Grandfathers 1974 catalogue showing screwdrivers, and some sets that include them.

At this time, Britool was clearly part of James Neil, but they had yet to start cheapening the tools, which were still of the 'classic' pattern. Under James Neil they switched to the blue nylon handle ratchets, extensions lost their characteristic hole for a tommy bar, the beautiful crackle finish boxes disappeared, and of course the finish detiorated.

Thanks Dave
 

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I remember the Britool tool vans.

If I recall they turned into the Hallmark range later on. Some of it still turns up on eBay full polish and marked England. Very sad what happened to Britool and Record vices!

Wolverhampton always had a pretty good speedway team. Ole Olson being a star rider.
 

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Can’t find anything about this file on the enterweb. I figured maybe someone hear can show me a better example of this logo. Maybe explain it if needed.

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Thanks in advance
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Hello, I have some 3/8 deep bi-hex sockets that say Britool - England - MDMB - SIZES10-19

I cant really tell if there real Britool sockets made in England, I do believe they are the Hallmark range of tools, which has now kinda been revived and made in Taiwan.
 

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Britool H74 3/4 ratchet

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Hello, I have some 3/8 deep bi-hex sockets that say Britool - England - MDMB - SIZES10-19

I cant really tell if there real Britool sockets made in England, I do believe they are the Hallmark range of tools, which has now kinda been revived and made in Taiwan.

If they say Made in England I suspect they are made in England, with from the 90s or I believe the hallmark range will have some stuff made here
 

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Hello, I have some 3/8 deep bi-hex sockets that say Britool - England - MDMB - SIZES10-19

I cant really tell if there real Britool sockets made in England, I do believe they are the Hallmark range of tools, which has now kinda been revived and made in Taiwan.

If you have a look at post 372 there is a pic of the different sockets some 90s britool and some 90s hallmark the hallmark are quite distinct.
 

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Can’t find anything about this file on the enterweb. I figured maybe someone hear can show me a better example of this logo. Maybe explain it if needed.

FA9E762A-95CA-46E0-BC25-CE45D744E3EC.jpg

Thanks in advance
alton1911

The 200 plus years of independence has left some gaps in our cultures.
Shaw writes “ We are two countries separated by a common language.”

Best I could find.. Looks like a native American head is used as a logo..

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Here is my son's latest purchase its his first Hex drive set for his collection, he bought it as it looks to be complete and we have never seen another.
It looks to from WW2?
We also wonder what the long spanner type thing is?
 

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48 point 1/2" Drive Britool Z5447 - Anyone know what this socket is used for specifically, thanks.

It’s been stated in this thread that Britool tools with a ‘Z’ prefix to the part number are items supplied to the MOD. Could well be, but I always thought that ‘Z’ numbers were allocated to any special pattern of tool.

I’ve seen quite a few ‘Z’ tools in the civilian world, mostly in the aviation industry, and I suspect most of them have always been there.

The most common tools I’ve seen are spline tools, both spanner’s and socket spanner’s, and it sounds to me like that's what you have here!

The coarser splines are standardised, and common on a lot of U.S. manufactured aircraft instead of regular bolt heads. The finer splines tend to be used more on the larger diameters, and are very common on British manufactured aircraft or engines. What you have sounds like a fine spline, so given the make of the tool, I’d suggest it’s a special for a (probably British) aero engine.

If you ever get to look round the engineers stores at any aircraft maintenance base, you usually find racks and racks of specialist tools like these, usually grouped by engine type!

A former employer of my Fathers maintained Rolls Royce Dart’s, Tyne’s, Avon’s, Conway’s, Spey’s and RB211’s, and the stores looked something like that end scene from ‘Raiders of the Lost Ark’ (well it did when you’re about 5). Most of it was unique to a particular engine, and most of it Britool!

I have a fairly comprehensive list of Britool part numbers and the tools they relate to, but it doesn’t include ‘Z’s.

I wonder what happened to all the company records. Given the importance they should probably be in an archive, but I wonder if they’re sitting around waiting for some idiot manager to chuck ‘em out!
 
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Just picked up this king **** spanner. Not sure the specifics of the markings, but I know it's British!20180510_172053.jpeg20180510_172100.jpeg

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I ran into a huge old automotive service garage clearance lot at my flea market on Friday including a mess of universal joints and swivel sockets, from Armstrong, Cornwell, Craftsman, Plomb, Walden, and Wright, all from the 1940's.

The last thing I expected to find in the lot was this "BRITOOL" hex drive male-female universal joint! In fact, it's my honor to reveal that this is the very first and only BRITOOL piece I have ever found in the wild!

Also marked model number "2091" and "BRITISH MADE".

I would've dated it to early half of the last century based on the hex drive format alone (measuring at 7/16-inches by the way), but it's my fuzzy understanding that such a COO marking (as opposed to "MADE IN ENGLAND") might also help date it more precisely, if the model number and hex drive format doesn't help.

Would someone tell me a little more about this piece? When was it made? What set was it used in? etc
 

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Hi Lugz,

A lot of British socket wrenches were hex drive.

If I recall correctly, the oldest I ever saw (an Accles and Pollock set from the 1880’s) was hex drive. The sockets were fairly thin walled, hex inside to fit the nut, hex outside as well, so making them fit a hex drive ratchet just meant swaging them down.

All the Britool were originally hex drive (yep, 7/16 hex drive) but Britool started offering square drive too as soon as it became popular. Not sure when, but probably well before the war.

They continued making the 7/16 hex drive for decades. I have a smal square drive set with ratchet, sliding T, extensions and about a dozen sockets that my Dad bought new in the late 60’s. I also have almost the same set in hex drive that I was given a few years back. A friend bought it in error not realising it was hex drive!

I also have a 1974 catalogue in which hex drive tools and sets are not shown, but the adaptors were still available. I suspect hex drive ran from circa 20’s / 30’s till about 1970.

Best way to date a tool is try and find a military tool that looks identical as they all have dates on!

The finish in your pic looks to be a dull plating? If so I’d say you have a 50’s tool. If it’s unplated then it’s probably late 40’s / very early 50’s. Anything later had shiny chrome!

These U/J’s were sold individually, or as part of a set. Decent British tool shops had big displays with all manner of spannners, socket spanner’s and accessories on display as late as the 1980’s. No hex drive by then though!

There’s a fair amount of hex drive stuff around in the u.k. It doesn’t sell for much money!
 
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Roughly the same here across the pond, Dave. This is not plated. Natural steel finish that has been polished.

Probably 40’s to early 50’s then!

I have several wrenches from this era, and while they were unplated, the steel was first class. The wrench jaws are unmarked and they havn’t picked up rust!

Always kind of liked the unplated tools for this reason!

Picked up a set of Snap On ‘Industrial Finish’ wrenches that were on a deal only recently. If they wear half as well I’ll be delighted!
 

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That’s the sort of box I can never resist rummaging through!

Looks like a good few universal sockets there! Always worth picking up, whatever age!
 

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I think the change from British Made to Made in England occurred in around 1963, which would date your 2091 to before this date. This UJ became an E61 when offered in 1/2" drive, in the 'Engineer's' pattern.
 

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Okay, mates, not a Britool, but we don't really have a general British made tools thread that I know of, so I am sticking this here and asking for help.

As marked, a WWII (1943) SOE wrench with a Ministry of Defence Broad Arrow marking and a 9/16" Whitworth service opening.

Found this morning at my flea market.

The question is, does anyone recognize the other marking, which I am assuming is a mfgr's logo? The letters in the diamond are very hard to discern, but it appears to be an "A" over "S&S" (or possible "SES" or "SBS") over "W".

Ring any bells?
 

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The question is, does anyone recognize the other marking, which I am assuming is a mfgr's logo? The letters in the diamond are very hard to discern, but it appears to be an "A" over "S&S" (or possible "SES" or "SBS") over "W".

Ring any bells?

Hi Lugz,

I think that’s an ‘SES’ which is the part number prefix used by Thomas Meldrum and Son’s (better known as ‘Melco’) to denote a ‘Single Open Ended - Heavy Duty’ Spanner!

As that’s what it is, it’s probably a Melco! They still list SES numbered spanners - SES 19 is a 19mm for example!
 
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Dave,

A WWII collector on another forum has identified that logo as, A, S&S (not SES), and W in a diamond, and informs me it stands for Armstrong, Stevens & Sons, Whitehall. I'll let you two throw darts for the final decision! :)
 

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Well I can’t positively identify it as a Melco, all I can say is that ‘SES’ is a Melco part number prefix, and the prefix matches the type of spanner!

If someone else can positively identify it as from another manufacturer - great!

It could well be an Armstrong Stevens & Sons (though that’s Willenhall not Whitehall - nobody was making spanners in Whitehall, not even in ‘43) as they were a prolific manufacturer of spanners for government contracts - more so in the first war than the second though!
 
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Looking again, closely, I think it probably is an ‘&’ rather than an ‘E’!

I actually quite like having those older wrenches around. If you absolutely have to use an open ender (and there are many situations where you do - especially setting up old machine tools) the jaws on many of those older tools are about twice as thick as modern ones, offering engagement on the whole height of the fastener head!

Suspect most here know that though!
 

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Here's pics of a couple of pages from a James Neill Tools catalog (1981?) showing Britool Screwdrivers. (sorry about reflections, not very good with cameras :( )

AL.
 

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Thanks we find these very hard to find and the few we have found the handles have gone all funny and look to have shrunk? Must have been in contact with some solvents?
 

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i love britool, i own and use a selection of old britool sockets and ratchets along with a ratchet adapter for the breaker bar .
just wish i had one of those full sets in the tin but they always go for far more than i want to pay for them ..
 

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Okay, mates, not a Britool, but we don't really have a general British made tools thread that I know of, so I am sticking this here and asking for help.

As marked, a WWII (1943) SOE wrench with a Ministry of Defence Broad Arrow marking and a 9/16" Whitworth service opening.

Found this morning at my flea market.

The question is, does anyone recognize the other marking, which I am assuming is a mfgr's logo? The letters in the diamond are very hard to discern, but it appears to be an "A" over "S&S" (or possible "SES" or "SBS") over "W".
Ring any bells?

that stevens & sons 100%
 

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Here's a Britool item I've not seen before - an SBM-series socket wrench, this one in 24/27mm sizes. I've not found it in any of the catalogues I've got - any ideas when it dates from?

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The size marking is in the older M/M style, rather than mm:

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Quality looks a little below par:

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It looks like a metric version of the more common 'brake adjuster' tools, like the square drive 222:

View media item 88614
fanders
 
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