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John in OH

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Folks that build in flood plains not only cost themselves extra money, they also cost their communities and neighbors extra money by having to pay for common services repairs to roads, utilities, first responders, safety services, etc. A poor decision by one home owner building in a flood plain can become an unnecessary cost to others.
 
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ZRX61

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LA County.... everything inside the yellow lines is built on the river bed. I've seen that river with water from bank to bank...
 

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KEH

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This took place over a 60 year period. The town that i worked in had a small stream with a nice flat bottom land which had a 4 lane highway along one side, on the other side the banks of the stream sloped steeply away from the stream. Developers saw that flat land
and decided it would be a good place for a shopping center. As a young person I had been along the 4 lane and seen water standing in the bottom land, local older people said they had seen the bottom flood. Shopping center built. I was an adult and working in the area. It rained heavily while I was at work and the shopping center flooded, supposedly a 100 year flood. Not too many years later there was another flood. The federal government built a flood control dam upstream at taxpayer expense and flood some nice farm land, but unlike some flood control projects the flooding has been controlled in town for years. Its not like there is shortage of land not subject to flooding in the area, this is in a hilly area with plenty of gently rolling land.

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Folks that build in flood plains not only cost themselves extra money, they also cost their communities and neighbors extra money by having to pay for common services repairs to roads, utilities, first responders, safety services, etc. A poor decision by one home owner building in a flood plain can become an unnecessary cost to others.

Nearly every town partially extends into "flood plains"; regardless of definition. One way or another, some people are going to get wet if enough water ends up in the place.

Developments are planted, cities expand... One guy building a house doesn't affect much. If those lands were walled right off from construction, everything else would crank in price.

Likewise, some of the best views come from less desirable areas. I just got back from a new development that endured the second highest water in my lifetime. They're back out there finishing the houses.

Nothing was damaged beyond reasonable repair. They were elevated properly and constructed to withstand the abuse. Adjacent developments have been surviving that same stuff just fine for a century.

It floods, people leave, and people come back later without a hitch to continue on. If it weren't for that vista, they'd be living somewhere else, bringing their money and activities somewhere else.

Now, there is absolutely land out there that's not worth building on. It will cost much more than you're saving, and there's nothing nice to look at. There is also low-value land that's more susceptible to flooding than average that's a fine deal.

I'm selling a piece of property right now that was under about three feet of water during Matthew. Had FEMA check it out, re-certified the septic system (an updated wetland survey as well as soil and function tests), verified everything else of note, and even managed to get down there at the height of the flood to make sure there were places to park a car safely.

Someone will be paying about $12,000 for an acre with no bothersome neighbors, away from the college, with everything already run and a functional septic system already installed, in a development that's been around since the 1960's, and with a pile of paper and photographs backing up every single relevant note.

If they follow the rules, whatever they build out there will be perfectly fine.

It's not all black and white. Floods don't automatically equal a destroyed life. In the right places, with the right knowledge and practices, a flood can simply be a temporary inconvenience.
 

John in OH

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Nearly every town partially extends into "flood plains"; regardless of definition. One way or another, some people are going to get wet if enough water ends up in the place.

Developments are planted, cities expand... One guy building a house doesn't affect much. If those lands were walled right off from construction, everything else would crank in price.

Likewise, some of the best views come from less desirable areas. I just got back from a new development that endured the second highest water in my lifetime. They're back out there finishing the houses.

Nothing was damaged beyond reasonable repair. They were elevated properly and constructed to withstand the abuse. Adjacent developments have been surviving that same stuff just fine for a century.

It floods, people leave, and people come back later without a hitch to continue on. If it weren't for that vista, they'd be living somewhere else, bringing their money and activities somewhere else.

Now, there is absolutely land out there that's not worth building on. It will cost much more than you're saving, and there's nothing nice to look at. There is also low-value land that's more susceptible to flooding than average that's a fine deal.

I'm selling a piece of property right now that was under about three feet of water during Matthew. Had FEMA check it out, re-certified the septic system (an updated wetland survey as well as soil and function tests), verified everything else of note, and even managed to get down there at the height of the flood to make sure there were places to park a car safely.

Someone will be paying about $12,000 for an acre with no bothersome neighbors, away from the college, with everything already run and a functional septic system already installed, in a development that's been around since the 1960's, and with a pile of paper and photographs backing up every single relevant note.

If they follow the rules, whatever they build out there will be perfectly fine.

It's not all black and white. Floods don't automatically equal a destroyed life. In the right places, with the right knowledge and practices, a flood can simply be a temporary inconvenience.

I think you have taken my "one homeowner" reference a bit too literally.

I was trying to make a point that when "neighborhoods" are built in flood plains and the "common" services that serve those areas are damaged by floods (roads, utilities, sewage & water systems, plus bookoo overtime dollars spent by safety services, etc., etc.), the cost of repairs to same are borne by the entire local community ... including those that were wise enough to NOT build in the flood plain. Hence, homeowner A is forced to subsidize the costs incurred by homeowner B's bad decision.
 

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I built in a flood zone, it's not really that big a deal.

So what if a "one in 4 billion year" flood comes along? So far, so good.

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L5wolvesf

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Folks that build in flood plains not only cost themselves extra money, they also cost their communities and neighbors extra money by having to pay for common services repairs to roads, utilities, first responders, safety services, etc. A poor decision by one home owner building in a flood plain can become an unnecessary cost to others.

As I understand it there is another community cost. When a flood plain is built on (roads, sidewalks, houses, etc) the ground is no longer able to absorb the flood waters. The water then continues downstream to the next community. We have this situation near my community on a very small scale. I recall reading about the same thing around Houston IIRC when they had some recent big flooding.
 

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Find out what the base flood elevation is and build up 2' above that on concrete stem walls. document everything. Speak with your municipal or county engineering department and insurance company before starting. If you don't like that idea then there are other ways to flood proof an accessory building. Or just Call a state floodplain manager.
 
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Address of the property in question is below. Price dropped by almost a third and it is probably still overpriced. The house is condemned and not just because the creek has undermined a part of it.
32 Durham St SW, Marietta GA 30064
 

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I have an Army Corps of Engineers elevation certificate showing that the main floor of my house is above the 100 year flood zone. FEMA insurance only covers the contents of my basement. Runs about $860 a year. It would be impossible for me to get a building permit from the county for parts of my property due to the flood zone map. We had floods here last fall due to the 416 fire and FEMA allowed applications to be back dated. While I would agree with the advice to; run, don’t walk away from property in a flood zone, I enjoy sitting on the deck with an adult beverage and watching the Animas River.
 
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I went through Hurricane Sandy. My advice, move elsewhere.

Agree. I was unprepared for Sandy, I did not have a flotation device or any pool furniture, it was a bit difficult making myself comfortable in my living room with 39 inches of water.
In the process of moving to Pennsylvania, due to hydrophobia the only water I want to see comes out of a faucet.
 

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Agree. I was unprepared for Sandy, I did not have a flotation device or any pool furniture, it was a bit difficult making myself comfortable in my living room with 39 inches of water.

In the process of moving to Pennsylvania, due to hydrophobia the only water I want to see comes out of a faucet.



I’m about 100 yards from the ocean, and had about 18” water come through when Sandy landed. Where were you that you got 39”?



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I’m about 100 yards from the ocean, and had about 18” water come through when Sandy landed. Where were you that you got 39”?



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Sounds like he was above the eye where the heaviest tidal surge occurs. Back in '89 when Hugo hit Charleston, north of Charleston in McClellanville, ********* boats were washed ashore and sitting in the median of Hwy 17. That's like a mile in from the shore.
 

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Gov't quit bailing out folks who built in flood zones, its just defies logic. IMO
Dam is wide open up river but our cabin was built 100 years ago,,some years later dam was built and floor has never got wet. Builder planned well:thumbup:
We see this every year. The dock on our ramp landed here a few years back. Nobody claimed it
Another week or so it'll look more like this

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The website to access the official FEMA FIRM (flood insurance rate map) for your location of interest is the FEMA map service center.

https: //msc.fema.gov/portal/home

(Note that GJ won't let me post links due to low post count so you will have to copy/paste this link and delete a space. dumb)

Agree with the others. Do not build in a floodplain. Do not buy/build close to a floodplain because if FEMA updates the mapping, you can get added at any time. Also, don't count on current rates being what you would pay in perpetuity. Flood risk is increasing and to stay solvent, so will the insurance rates.
 
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