Buying snap-on

[Señor Paco]

Hi, First thread here I'm an equipment technician for a construction company! Started off as a parts runner. By assisting the other guys on their projects I now have a good understanding of a lot of stuff. I've rebuilt engines fixed trackless, Everyday I get faster, stronger, smarter & Advance in my job. Purpose of this thread is an inquiry and opinions of other users.

Starting off I didn't know much but every week the snap-on truck would come to the shop being your typical broke college student with big dreams I had never thought I'd work as a mechanic but it happened and I couldn't have been more happier. Back to the point I was the guy who would ask to borrow your tools I didn't have tools nor the money or time to buy tools but now I've started acquiring little by little. Found some good stuff on EBay, But I recently spent close to 2,000 with Snap-on. Toolbox for $1,000 but on eBay I saw a KLR heavy duty for the same price/color as mine. Reason I buy snap-on is because of the credit payments and I don't have 100's to spare on the spot due to lifes expenses. Here's were I feel I got ripped off after trying to get a cheaper price I got a 1/2im impact for 430... 461 W/tax. Which is outrageous but I needed it. Here's the issue it ***** seriously it can take a bolt of wood but not a lug nut it's embarrassing I used my 3/8 Ingersoll rand to take off the hood bracket off a peterbilt after my 1/2in snap-on couldn't do it. All bark and no bite and he wasn't happy when I tried to return/exchange it. I hate taking a loss especially wasting money like that, What are your thoughts on Snap-On tools in 2015? I have Milwaukee cordless and those things are my favorite tools my 1/2in battery impact is reckless I'd recommend that to everyone here. What tools from Snap-On would you & wouldn't recommend? And what's a reasonable price for the tools? eBay is where it's at but I don't always have $100's to spare.

 

[Hiball]

Didn't we just have a Buying Snap on thread a few days ago? @Op 1st and foremost I'm not picking on you, Your clearly not alone because joining GJ and and creating "What Snap on tools should I buy?" Or "Do I need Snap On?" It Is a Heavy Hitter amongst New members, probably 1 or 2 a week. I would recommend utilizing your favorite search engine, throw some keywords into the search bar and finish with garage journal. It will tell you everything you want to know, with some icing on top.

 

[Csmnlm]

1/2 impact gun? Buy an IR231. I've been a mechanic for over 20 years and have bought 2 of these guns in that time. The first one I owned still works fine I just retired it to home use after 12 years of service.

 

[---]

Welcome to GJ! I don't own any snap-on so I can't really comment. I'm sure you'll get a whole bunch of comments in no time. In the meantime here's a thread so might find of interest: http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=302724&highlight=Snap-on

 

[Señor Paco]

Didn't we just have a Buying Snap on thread a few days ago? @Op 1st and foremost I'm not picking on you, Your clearly not alone because joining GJ and and creating "What Snap on tools should I buy?" Or "Do I need Snap On?" It Is a Heavy Hitter amongst New members, probably 1 or 2 a week. I would recommend utilizing your favorite search engine, throw some keywords into the search bar and finish with garage journal. It will tell you everything you want to know, with some icing on top.

First time using GJ didn't know illiterate tool questions were common and snap-on is just like the pyramid scheme except with quality. That's why noobs go into debt w/them. Northern tool's closes at 8 I get off work and go to school so when I have free time everything is closed. Reason my only options are eBay or the truck. During the weekends i work on building my parents stuff like a tool shed or nicer fence etc. So yea my life consists of work, school, gym I study for school and work every hour I research diesel/caterpillar/hydraulics etc.

 

[ihateminimumwage]

Whether your driver is happy about it or not, he'll have to make it right if your impact isn't working properly. While not a fan of the weight and controls of the MG725s (I run an IR), my previous coworker's could nearly keep up with my 3/4" drive IR (hence why they're so big and clunky for a 1/2").

There's a LOT of crossover and re-branding that if you do the research, can same you a fortune. I don't mean to totally ***** my Tool Truck Equivalents 2.0 thread, but it's especially relevant for folks just starting out.
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=249851

 

[Señor Paco]

1/2 impact gun? Buy an IR231. I've been a mechanic for over 20 years and have bought 2 of these guns in that time. The first one I owned still works fine I just retired it to home use after 12 years of service.

Please no IR lifelong users I have a 1/2 in socket set 1/4 & 3/8 air ratchets and 3/8 impact. So I Know IR is good, But this thread does not pertain to IR only snap-on and inform on my misfortunate purchase.

 

[Señor Paco]

Whether your driver is happy about it or not, he'll have to make it right if your impact isn't working properly. While not a fan of the weight and controls of the MG725s (I run an IR), my previous coworker's could nearly keep up with my 3/4" drive IR (hence why they're so big and clunky for a 1/2").

There's a LOT of crossover and re-branding that if you do the research, can same you a fortune. I don't mean to totally ***** my Tool Truck Equivalents 2.0 thread, but it's especially relevant for folks just starting out.
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=249851

We have a 1in IR impact and that thing is small & bulky about 18 in length but man that is the best impact I've ever used. That impact has been around since the 90's gets abused constantly never broken or had issues w/it.

 

[woody 73]

Maybe I am misunderstanding some of the finer points so help me out.

Did you buy a new in the box snap air tool or a used one?
What is the model # of your snap on air tool in question?
What kind of air pressure is your tank set at?

If you could fill in the blanks that might help me out.

 

[Sanny81]

Should've returned the Snap On impact and bought two Harbor Freight Earthquakes. One for each hand.

 

[Señor Paco]

Maybe I am misunderstanding some of the finer points so help me out.

Did you buy a new in the box snap air tool or a used one?
What is the model # of your snap on air tool in question?
What kind of air pressure is your tank set at?

If you could fill in the blanks that might help me out.

Yes 95th anniversary it was 490 with some glass cups but I took it plain for 430 not even 2 weeks old, First owner. If I knew how to post a pic I would. And our air pressure we have continuous flow all throughout the shop don't know the specific air pressure we just hook up a hose and get to work.

 

[Señor Paco]

Should've returned the Snap On impact and bought two Harbor Freight Earthquakes. One for each hand.

I haven't had the chance to go to the store I really need a day off to run errands

 

[Hiball]

My Advice....


Have you taken the time to ask any of your co-workers? Look over there shoulder, take notes.. But most importantly don't think you need a toolset to match there's. Undoubtably they have spent many years filling there toolbox, if you try and hang with them, you will find yourself with a large weekly payment and probably a truckload worth of grief. If you don't want to borrow tools, step away from the truck, pick up some cheap GW/HF socket sets and get productive, keep your ear to the ground, save some $$$ and if you find yourself wanting to upgrade, strike when the deals show up.

 

[Señor Paco]

That's why i check eBay recently bought 3/8-15/16 wrench set for $80 versus 300 on the truck. And my collection is no where near their's were talking 20-50,000 investment on their part but they've been doing this for years longer than I've been alive. I wonder if me
Asking them for tools bothers them? I don't steal and put everything back and take care don't drop all that. This week I used my co-workers 1 &3/16 socket all week didn't even ask for it back and treated me no different than any other day. I would allow these guys to borrow my toolbox if they asked compared to how much they've helped me out.

 

[Csmnlm]

Please no IR lifelong users I have a 1/2 in socket set 1/4 & 3/8 air ratchets and 3/8 impact. So I Know IR is good, But this thread does not pertain to IR only snap-on and inform on my misfortunate purchase.

Sorry did not mean to confuse you. I would buy snap on wrenches and ratchets. I would not buy any of there air tools.

 

[wise]

Snap-on hand tools are of very high quality but very pricey. Wrenches and Sockets and stuff its nice to have snap-on but you don't NEED them to be a good tech.

Snap-On boxes are nice, they work great, they are smooth, and have a side benefit of broadcasting you are serious about your job. Snap-On ratchets are the ****. Wrenches are of the highest quality but $$$. Impact Swivels are a good buy in heavy equipment/truck coach. Prybars are great. Ratcheting screwdriver is a good buy. Picks, buy them they are great. Instinct screwdrivers are awesome but only buy them at a discount.

Stick to IR for air tools. Snap-On's premium air hammer is awesome though.

If you only want the best of the best for electrical tools, buy a fluke multimeter and a Powerprobe 4. (I have t say I've never used the 4, but my powerprobe 3 has made me LOTS of money and saved LOTS of time). Buy a powerprobe and learn how to use it, you will make money and get respect.

Snap-on drivers will negotiate with you. I've never paid full price for a tool from them. Treat them with respect, and acknowledge that they need to eat, but so do you. When you talk to them, say "I'm thinking about upgrading to 'so and so', and I'd like to see your option, 'so-and-so#2' has a much better priced tool and is highly rated in online reviews." Don't lie when you say that, do the research, and ask co-workers and on here, and search on google about the options. Consumer Awareness is up to you man, and much of Snap-Ons line is just re-badged overseas tools that you can get much cheaper elsewhere.

 

[Hiball]

That's why i check eBay recently bought 3/8-15/16 wrench set for $80 versus 300 on the truck. And my collection is no where near their's were talking 20-50,000 investment on their part but they've been doing this for years longer than I've been alive. I wonder if me
Asking them for tools bothers them? I don't steal and put everything back and take care don't drop all that. This week I used my co-workers 1 &3/16 socket all week didn't even ask for it back and treated me no different than any other day. I would allow these guys to borrow my toolbox if they asked compared to how much they've helped me out.

If you have a good rapport with them it probably doesn't, but being young your bound to miss judge a drive size and carnage can occur, then things can get tense. If your borrowing specific sizes/tools on a regular basis, make it a point to fill those needs first. Again.. Don't think it needs to be Off a truck.

 

[Señor Paco]

Snap-on hand tools are of very high quality but very pricey. Wrenches and Sockets and stuff its nice to have snap-on but you don't NEED them to be a good tech.

Snap-On boxes are nice, they work great, they are smooth, and have a side benefit of broadcasting you are serious about your job. Snap-On ratchets are the ****. Wrenches are of the highest quality but $$$. Impact Swivels are a good buy in heavy equipment/truck coach. Prybars are great. Ratcheting screwdriver is a good buy. Picks, buy them they are great. Instinct screwdrivers are awesome but only buy them at a discount.

Stick to IR for air tools. Snap-On's premium air hammer is awesome though.

If you only want the best of the best for electrical tools, buy a fluke multimeter and a Powerprobe 4. (I have t say I've never used the 4, but my powerprobe 3 has made me around 4000x what I paid for it, in only a few years). Buy a powerprobe and learn how to use it, you will make money and get respect.

Snap-on drivers will negotiate with you. I've never paid full price for a tool from them. Treat them with respect, and acknowledge that they need to eat, but so do you. When you talk to them, say "I'm thinking about upgrading to 'so and so', and I'd like to see your option, 'so-and-so#2' has a much better priced tool and is highly rated in online reviews." Don't lie when you say that, do the research, and ask co-workers and on here, and search on google about the options. Consumer Awareness is up to you man, and much of Snap-Ons line is just re-badged overseas tools that you can get much cheaper elsewhere.

This is what I needed, Thankyou I agree on the air tools learned the hardway we have a diagnostic scanner at work haven't learned how to use it yet. What should I say in order to either get store credit or receive my $ back for my air impact? Now, I don't think I want a snap on air impact their nice but too expensive. I don't like plastic impacts most IR's have a plastic shell. What i liked about the snap on was the weight and build. For an air impact not IR! What would you recommend if worthy would you rank the MG series as one of the top with Ir out of the picture. I use my battery impact for whatever it can do till I need more power.

 

[Caddybill]

Not nocking snap-on. Great quality and warrantee. I don't work in a shop with a regular weekly driver stop. with that said a do seek out snap on in the after market. I do my research and buy what my pocketbook can afford. Quality work can be done with lesser tools.

 

[Señor Paco]

Explain to me the power probe i know how to check the injectors with whatever we have and simple stuff. I honestly have no idea what that is. We might have it at the shop
Though. Is that the thing that can check the injectors and module stuff like that?

 

[stihlntime]

One thing you need to do is learn to listen to experience, many have told you IR is the gun to run. I've had a 3/8 and 1/2 for prolly 12 years never an issue. Just picked up a new AirCat 1150 and it has been awesome so far, we'll see if holds up long term. Personally I think there are better screwdrivers on the market for the money Wiha 400 series,Felo 500 series or PB Swiss. Allen wrenches I would look at Bondhus,Wera,Felo. Pliers Knipex or NWS. I think SO has good quality but there are just as good or better brands on the market. As far as the guys chirping were is the instant warranty, I've broke maybe three tools in thirty years. SO preys on the young under funded guys.Broaden your horizons stay on GJ look at the thread Tools from the old world. Lots of great options out there. Were SO rules is ratchets, I'll give them that. It's sad you paid that much for a 1/2" impact highway robbery to begin with add finance charges to it and holy cow you could have bought a **** load of tools. Financing tools at 20 percent or more interest just isn't the way to go. Save and buy as you can don't mortgage your soul starting out.

 

[Wamsutta]

All bark and no bite

What's the part number of that impact wrench?

 

[Hiball]

Explain to me the power probe i know how to check the injectors with whatever we have and simple stuff. I honestly have no idea what that is. We might have it at the shop
Though. Is that the thing that can check the injectors and module stuff like that?

Power probes can be very handy, but to utilize them at there full potential you better have a good understanding of of the equipment your working with, its possible to do more damage than good when powering stuff up. I have the PP3, and I swear my buddy drags it out every time he comes over, in most cases a test light would be a better option for him, he makes me nervous.. Lol

 

[wise]

This is what I needed, Thankyou I agree on the air tools learned the hardway we have a diagnostic scanner at work haven't learned how to use it yet. What should I say in order to either get store credit or receive my $ back for my air impact? Now, I don't think I want a snap on air impact their nice but too expensive. I don't like plastic impacts most IR's have a plastic shell. What i liked about the snap on was the weight and build. For an air impact not IR! What would you recommend if worthy would you rank the MG series as one of the top with Ir out of the picture. I use my battery impact for whatever it can do till I need more power.

Diagnosic Scanners are different then something like a multi-meter or a powerprobe. I'd just suggest going to trade school, and treat that schooling like your job and absorbing as much of it as you can. There is a lot to learn, but it all makes sense.

You need a 3/8 impact and a 1/2 impact... If the SO one disappoints you, get your money back. I have the means to measure the actual peak-max of both your impacts, but thats not free and you'd have to ship them. Just your disappointment in them should be enough to get your money back... but if you are serious about becoming a tech, SO credit is the same as cash.

You want a composite shell for your impact... It has plastic in it, but its not 'plastic'. Its fibre re-enforced and VERY strong. It also is much more durable then dropping a metal casting on the ground. Its lighter as well. The internals in the IR are also much more robust then the competitors. You have to change your thinking. The IR 'plastic' impact is the best 'mechanic' grade impact available, and a HUGE value for the price.

 

[ihateminimumwage]

That's why i check eBay recently bought 3/8-15/16 wrench set for $80 versus 300 on the truck. And my collection is no where near their's were talking 20-50,000 investment on their part but they've been doing this for years longer than I've been alive. I wonder if me
Asking them for tools bothers them? I don't steal and put everything back and take care don't drop all that. This week I used my co-workers 1 &3/16 socket all week didn't even ask for it back and treated me no different than any other day. I would allow these guys to borrow my toolbox if they asked compared to how much they've helped me out.

I long ago hit the point of "borrow twice, buy once". Your co-workers will usually be fine with loaning tools for a while (if returned wiped down and clean), but it will take its toll.

Look into Cripe Distributing if you're getting a lot through eBay, and want to save a damn fortune (request "actual shipping" on multiple items, it can drop from $40 to $11 that way).
http://stores.ebay.com/Cripe-Distributing

Here's two 1-3/16" USA made sockets (chrome and impact)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Napa-1-2-Dr...-NT-638-USA-/330966549866?hash=item4d0f24c56a

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Allen-35021...-1-3-16-USA-/330632365601?hash=item4cfb398621

 

[Chris_]

I've been lurking for awhile, but never post until now. I was a truck and heavy equipment mechanic for years, then took a 14 year break from doing it as a job and just worked on cars from time-to -time for extra money. And now I'm working on trucks again. I, like many others started with the IR 231. I broke it several times, either the hammer pins or the air motor. I upgraded to the 244, good wrench, but I recently sheared the end off the air motor on it as well. I just bought the big Nitrocat 1250. I like it, but it's too early to tell as I've only used it a couple times. It is pleasantly quiet on the ears. I know several who have and love the Snap On guns and never had a problem with them, but, they aren't heavy equipment mechanics.

I've used a IM31 Snap On 3/8 for years, I love the gun, but it does regularly break the little hammer pins in it, just did it last week. I also noticed the anvil is getting some serious wear on it. Again, I have friends with the MG31 and MG325 and they love them, never had any problems, but they are car mechanics.

With heavy equipment you are slinging larger sockets on usually tighter bolts. They use more Snap On chrome sockets and rarely break them, whereas I use more heavy Snap On impact sockets and break them more often. Especially sockets like the 3/4" on 3/8"drive and the 15/16" and 1 1/8" on the 1/2" drive.

If you're having problems with your impact, make your dealer make it right. I almost bought a MG725 when my IR 244 broke, but decided to take a chance on the Nitrocat. If I read the post right, you work on heavy equipment. Equipment is much harder on tools than cars. Get used to fixing your own air tools or you'll go broke sending them in to be repaired. Also, the PH3050 air hammer is the only way to go, anything less is just a noise maker.

 

[dchawk81]

I just bought that Nitrocat 1250K a few weeks ago. Personal use only so I don't have much to say about it yet either.

 

[WhiffySpark]

Sounds like a defective gun. The mg725s I had were beasts. I have ir 2135 and 2235 now

 

[CutterFarms]

I have 2 mg725's and no problems out of them mainly used on larger farm equipment and haven't broke one yet. Just a thought but if your 3/8 snap on is stronger than your 1/2 inch did you ever check your direction dial and see id it was turned all the way up or not? Kinda in the shape of a v from lesser to greater.

 

[NUTTSGT]

If your new Snappy isn't doing it's job, then your SO driver should take care of it. If you have to, physically show him how it's not doing the job but your 3/8 IR is.

If he still doesn't care of the issue, go around him and send an email to corporate.

 

[dchawk81]

Forgot I already posted.

 

[gooblunar]

I would also go for saying the gun may be defective. I have the mg725, and abuse it on construction and ag equipment . It's rare it can't do the job, if it can't do it then my 3/8 gun really wont. I've used multiple brands and I like the snap on. I also believe their are better buys if you can get the time to go shopping . The harbor frieght earthquake guns are strong and reliable. My company buys them and their never oiled or using dry air.

 

[RedneckWelder]

Financing tools at 20 percent or more interest just isn't the way to go.

It's not financing if it's on truck credit, which is usually the case for the smaller purchases. Big purchases like multi thousand dollar purchases with boxes? Yeah those are on the high interest rate credit from Snap On. One is better off getting a personal loan from a bank if they need to tool up than getting SO credit.

I don't like plastic impacts most IR's have a plastic shell.

That isn't cheap plastic, it's strong composite and the composite bodied air tools tend to be pretty durable while being lightweight. I have an Aircat 1200K, composite bodied 1/2 impact, and a 3/8 Cornwell composite impact and both are wonderful, reliable, extremely durable tools.

I'm no fan of the Snap On Impacts but the MG725 should at least run with the IR 2135s and similar guns in that class, not be weak out of the box. I'd return it and get something else for sure. For under $300 you can have your pick of other makers guns that will be top of the line, look at Proto J150WP, IR 2235, and the Aircat 1200K.

I'm a Cat dealer mechanic so if you need any advice on tooling give me a holler and I'll help you as much as I can.

 

[fordnut85]

You have a problem if the MG725 is that weak, I have one and it's just a bit stronger than my 1/2 IR. He needs to swap it out for you. If he won't swap it out for you don't bother calling SO corporate, they could care less. Find another dealer and call him and explain your situation, he MIGHT take care of it for you.

On a side note, is it just the composite housing you don't like? I use mine all day everyday including quite a few drops and they keep going strong.

 

[Lookin4'67Galaxieconv]

Senor Paco...good name for a troll.

 

[stikman56]

Hi, First thread here I'm an equipment technician for a construction company! Started off as a parts runner. By assisting the other guys on their projects I now have a good understanding of a lot of stuff. I've rebuilt engines fixed trackless, Everyday I get faster, stronger, smarter & Advance in my job. Purpose of this thread is an inquiry and opinions of other users.

Starting off I didn't know much but every week the snap-on truck would come to the shop being your typical broke college student with big dreams I had never thought I'd work as a mechanic but it happened and I couldn't have been more happier. Back to the point I was the guy who would ask to borrow your tools I didn't have tools nor the money or time to buy tools but now I've started acquiring little by little. Found some good stuff on EBay, But I recently spent close to 2,000 with Snap-on. Toolbox for $1,000 but on eBay I saw a KLR heavy duty for the same price/color as mine. Reason I buy snap-on is because of the credit payments and I don't have 100's to spare on the spot due to lifes expenses. Here's were I feel I got ripped off after trying to get a cheaper price I got a 1/2im impact for 430... 461 W/tax. Which is outrageous but I needed it. Here's the issue it ***** seriously it can take a bolt of wood but not a lug nut it's embarrassing I used my 3/8 Ingersoll rand to take off the hood bracket off a peterbilt after my 1/2in snap-on couldn't do it. All bark and no bite and he wasn't happy when I tried to return/exchange it. I hate taking a loss especially wasting money like that, What are your thoughts on Snap-On tools in 2015? I have Milwaukee cordless and those things are my favorite tools my 1/2in battery impact is reckless I'd recommend that to everyone here. What tools from Snap-On would you & wouldn't recommend? And what's a reasonable price for the tools? eBay is where it's at but I don't always have $100's to spare.

I've bought and fixed a lot of them, the MG725 is very much that way,hit or miss,prone to issues early on. Get the Blue Point AT123, it's just an IR231 .

 

[XxToolAholicxX]

Research... Research.... Google is your best freind... Research... You will find out a lot...

 

[anndel]

Hi, First thread here I'm an equipment technician for a construction company! Started off as a parts runner. By assisting the other guys on their projects I now have a good understanding of a lot of stuff. I've rebuilt engines fixed trackless, Everyday I get faster, stronger, smarter & Advance in my job. Purpose of this thread is an inquiry and opinions of other users.

Starting off I didn't know much but every week the snap-on truck would come to the shop being your typical broke college student with big dreams I had never thought I'd work as a mechanic but it happened and I couldn't have been more happier. Back to the point I was the guy who would ask to borrow your tools I didn't have tools nor the money or time to buy tools but now I've started acquiring little by little. Found some good stuff on EBay, But I recently spent close to 2,000 with Snap-on. Toolbox for $1,000 but on eBay I saw a KLR heavy duty for the same price/color as mine. Reason I buy snap-on is because of the credit payments and I don't have 100's to spare on the spot due to lifes expenses. Here's were I feel I got ripped off after trying to get a cheaper price I got a 1/2im impact for 430... 461 W/tax. Which is outrageous but I needed it. Here's the issue it ***** seriously it can take a bolt of wood but not a lug nut it's embarrassing I used my 3/8 Ingersoll rand to take off the hood bracket off a peterbilt after my 1/2in snap-on couldn't do it. All bark and no bite and he wasn't happy when I tried to return/exchange it. I hate taking a loss especially wasting money like that, What are your thoughts on Snap-On tools in 2015? I have Milwaukee cordless and those things are my favorite tools my 1/2in battery impact is reckless I'd recommend that to everyone here. What tools from Snap-On would you & wouldn't recommend? And what's a reasonable price for the tools? eBay is where it's at but I don't always have $100's to spare.

Welcome to the GJ. I have the SP MG725 and yes, it's weak and I'm disappointed. I bought it on ebay for $150 so I got what I paid for. My Aircat 1150 has more torque and looking to pickup a IR2135TiMax this year for my next car repair project. I know how you eel though about not having spare $100 to get something no on credit as I was there when I used to wrench full time in the 1980s. maybe make do with what you have and upgrade when you save up some money and sell the tool your upgrade is replacing.

 

[Mohawk Dave]

This is an old thread, and quite the frikin mess. How many subjects were covered bouncing back and forth? lol.

So, Senor Paco, what ever happened? Gun was a lemon? Sounds like it....

 

[nti06]

I haven't had the chance to go to the store I really need a day off to run errands

When it comes to specialty tool sets, many of them are rebranded for Snap-on.

Example: This 117 piece tap and die set is $530.00 https://store.snapon.com/Product-Details-TDTDM117A-P644918.aspx

This set is 117 pieces too for $273.21
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0000DD4KW/?tag=atomicindus08-20

Other than the color of the cases and the price, whats the difference? None.