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Some people buy tools, other people wake up every morning pack a bowl and post random posts on the Internet till the high wears off.

I must ask though.. How can one be so hypocritical about someone buying brand A versus B, when that person has money literally going up in smoke?

I see you are a fan, only a thread as dumb as this goes on for more than a page. But we got another thread going now with the recommendation that 450$ for a tap set for a high school student is a real deal.

Also there is a difference between cheap and junk, that's a concept hard to grasp. It wouldn't last in my shop,,, odds if it lasts in mine it will lost in yours despite the sworn testimony that a guy has broken every knuckle in his hand from a cheap wrench.
 
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Lol are t dumb threads fun though!!! But seriously sberry what do you so for a living? Seriously?
 

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I could walk to work. I could drive a really cheap car to work. Instead i drive my car to work. Why? Because i want to. I'm sure i could get something that uses less fuel, costs less to insure, costs less to maintain, etc. But i want my car, not something else.

You have cheap tools, they work for you. That's great, good for you. But other people might not want to use cheap tools or walk to work, maybe they want to drive expensive cars and use expensive tools? It's a personal preference. What works for you might not work for me, so i don't use the same tools as you.

I don't get the whole chip on the shoulder about cheap tools. Why can't people just buy what they want and use what they want without the horrendous judgement and stigma over it all?

Buying expensive tools might not give you the return in investment, my £40k in tools might not give me the return in investment, but i don't actually care. I like them, i like using them.

You make your bed, you lay in it. What's the issue?

Well said. I have an older Harley Davidson motorcycle. There are better, newer motorcycles that are less expensive. It doesn't make me a "biker" or a poser, or a fool with my money. I just like it and enjoy owning it and riding it. To each his own.
 

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I see you are a fan, only a thread as dumb as this goes on for more than a page. But we got another thread going now with the recommendation that 450$ for a tap set for a high school student is a real deal.

Also there is a difference between cheap and junk, that's a concept hard to grasp. It wouldn't last in my shop,,, odds if it lasts in mine it will lost in yours despite the sworn testimony that a guy has broken every knuckle in his hand from a cheap wrench.

Why so much embellishment? Do you want people to take you seriously? If you want to talk about tools, let's talk... $450? Hell a good Irwin set can be had for less than $200 and if you are truly going to be using a tap and die set for its intended purpose versus restoring threads, <--- which a lot of people do, No way in hell would I recommend a $25 set unless your working with plastics. Have you ever broken a tap? Ugh..

Do you lose a lot of tools? Just because a member purchases Brand A and you or someone else likes Brand B doesn't mean someone is Right or Wrong, life is full of choices.
 
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No one said you can do what you want and I didn't particularly say that the 200$ one isn't worth it. I said I am surprised how well the cheap one worked. In fact I think some of it comes off the same line as brand name labeled products. Add a better handle or handle system, same tap and die from the same machine in China.
 
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Yes I have broke a tap but its been a while and I did something dumb with it. It was probably a Sears or Ace used to be at our hwd and auto parts, which by the way has a nice set of singles, I still snag one up on occasion if facing a task.
 

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I started with cheap stuff; thinking Hf wrench roll being a big step up
Then wore them out; got newer stuff(northern); wore them out and went to grey pneumatic
Step up each time and none of it was that spendy
The cheapie a got the work done but didn't last, got me started cheap and got the paychecks rolling
It all serves a purpose, I'm much happier with snap on wrenches and bit sockets
 

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No one said you can do what you want and I didn't particularly say that the 200$ one isn't worth it. I said I am surprised how well the cheap one worked. In fact I think some of it comes off the same line as brand name labeled products. Add a better handle or handle system, same tap and die from the same machine in China.

NO Worries.. There is Very Little that I read on the Internet that I let affect my Decision making in regards to X or Y, With that Said... I do put more clout with some members in regards to reviews/suggestions versus others, Mainly because they include Pictures, Model numbers to back up there Claims of Rebranding/Quality etc. With that Said.. I try and keep a Open Mind, But my Personal experiences tell me that Not everything that looks the same is just a Rebranded version, The Chinese are Smooth at making things looking similar to other Brands in Hopes of fooling the Consumer. In Regards to the Tap and Dies Sets there are only a handful of ways to "Effectively" spin a Tap/Die (hex versus Round dies come to mind) and I probably own the majority of them that I have pieced together throughout the years.
 

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Threads like this amuse me. I like this forum because of the wide range of views of the members here. When I'm looking at buying a new tool I will post a question about it on here and let the opinions roll in. From the pros that have usually figured out what the best quality tool is for that job, to the weekend warriors that have found the cheapest tool that will get the job done, to everything in between. I will read the opinions of other members and then pick what tool will fit my needs the best. If it's something like a torx bit that I will use a lot and that is prone to breaking under stress then I buy a better quality one to start out with. If it's a tool that I'll only use once or twice I will buy a lower priced tool that will still get the job done. That is why it's great to have all the different opinions and skill levels of members on here.

The other thing I do is try to buy used. I have a collection of tools that is probably as good as half the pro wrenchers in a dealership as far as quality and amount of specialty tools. But I have bought most of my specialty tools used in order to get tool truck quality at a DIY price. This has worked good for me.
 
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I will agree that not all looks the same is rebrand but a lot of it is the same blank finished differently, that's where the value is. That and its vended differently. Hit it again with the final die, finish the chrome better, more options, same wrench blank.
My Dad bought a cheap wrench roll 15$ and you can see its not the same as a well forged tool, I think it might have been India. It worked and we really kicked it around for a while, wasn't a great loss and we still use the 15/16 he got it for at the time anyway.

I remember back in the day some stores sold a generic tool called drop forges USA, had a simple finish often sold in bargain bins. It was a good tool, I still have a few and actually bought a single for a job not all that long ago. I think the 3/4 was 4 and paid about 7 for the 15/16, both USA. There are some called lectrolite, real junk and they are American, the Olympia China ones on the left have been good and we paid a dollar, then 1.50 and after that we quit buying them in favor of MIT for about the same 1.50 or so.

Those little cheap combo really get worked hard here, we got 1000's of bolts/clamps, nozzels.
 

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I'd agree with sberry that the quality of cheaper tools has improved tremendously over the past few decades.
When I started using spanners for a living, I was given a Britool 1/2" socket set and an assortment of double-ended ring spanners and screwdrivers by my folks to get me on my way. Shortly after that, I heard the siren call of the S-O man and his big fancy truck.
For a few years I was a S-O *****, like a crack addict never far away from his dealer, not quite up to my eyeballs in debt but always had something rolling along on the S-O account book.
It was nice, using those S-O tools, but I also became aware that others coveted them too. There's nothing much lower in this world than a creature who will steal a man's tools. That was one particular shop and one or two particular people - never had the same trouble since, but time and circumstances saw various holes appear in my kit.
Fast forward a couple of/ three decades and I started to acquire tools to fill the gaps, casting around, looking for decent quality at non-S-O prices. That's when I became aware of the huge improvement in budget tool brands. Back then, cheap tools were usually pretty **** to use and they broke or wore out fast. It's not the same now - I suppose the biggest factor in the cost of production now is the low pay element of many of the Chinese or Asian factories and comparing like-with-like in hardware terms then and now, the same tool (S-O copies, many of them, since S-O patents and designs expired) is coming in a a fraction of the price.
I'm still desirous of replacing much of the S-O kit I lost, and am hunting out direct (used) replacements, an item at a time, as I recall with a start "****, I used to have one of those, who nicked or borrowed it?".
Anyway, being as I'm more-or-less retired now and not pushing tools for a living any more, I have to buy in a budget-conscious fashion and have been keeping an open mind about the cheapies, while avoiding the junk. My main spannering these days is simply maintaining my personal transport, so there's no real need for pro equipment but it's still nice to use something of reasonable quality without worrying if it's going to break.
Oddly, the Aldi and Lidl chains both have hand tool offers from time to time that turn out to be halfway decent and I've scored a few of their spanner sets - firstly to fill the gaps, but secondly to see how long they last. So far, they haven't let me down but they're not pushed too far anyway.
So, in summary; cheap tools can be ok - but if I were starting out again I'd buy good ones, and I'd have a vicious dog on a chain next to my kit. :)
 
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I will agree that not all looks the same is rebrand but a lot of it is the same blank finished differently, that's where the value is. That and its vended differently. Hit it again with the final die, finish the chrome better, more options, same wrench blank.
My Dad bought a cheap wrench roll 15$ and you can see its not the same as a well forged tool, I think it might have been India. It worked and we really kicked it around for a while, wasn't a great loss and we still use the 15/16 he got it for at the time anyway.

I remember back in the day some stores sold a generic tool called drop forges USA, had a simple finish often sold in bargain bins. It was a good tool, I still have a few and actually bought a single for a job not all that long ago.
 

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Fairly simple for me - I wrench at home on my own time. It's not how I make my living. Consequently, there is no real reason for me to shell out big money on top quality tools. While I can surely appreciate the nice stuff, it is impractical for me. I have my priorities (mostly) straight, so spending considerable money on tool brands just doesn't make sense in my life.

However, I take comfort in knowing that I am fairly well stocked when it comes to tools so that I can start most, if not all jobs, without worrying about having to purchase some tool beforehand. I can work on friends' cars of various makes and models because I have the tools to do so. The main thing I look for in a tool is if it feels and looks solid, and has a lifetime warranty. COO isn't a big deal to me. Obviously I stay away from the really cheap stuff, but my GearWrench, Kobalt, and Mastercraft have never let me down (I do have a hard time calling them "cheap tools").

I put more value in having the right tools for the job than the name on the tools.
 

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Possibly outta line/off topic here, but I have to get this off my chest...

Went to sear's today in the mall to do some looking/buying...found some good stuff, but then noticed something...a "Lisle" branded multi piece ratcheting serp belt tool for 60 dollars...which is the same damn one I bought off the Matco truck a year and a half ago for 150 dollars...and,i think that was a sales price too...

Anywords, that's why I will never step foot on the Matco truck again...i already had gears about the rebranding/jacking up price thing, but that's just stupid ...

I know snapoff may be pricy, but keep in mind,98% of what's labeled "snap on" is actually made in Kenosha and not available from any one else...and, chances are that it's the best of whatever it is
 

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You would be suprised how many tools snap on doesn't make! Look up bahco tools.i always try and source my tool truck purchases and can usually find it from original manufacturer
 

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You would be suprised how many tools snap on doesn't make! Look up bahco tools.i always try and source my tool truck purchases and can usually find it from original manufacturer

I've heard of bahco, but I always assumed that was snappy's industrial division or something...not a separate company...
 
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However, I take comfort in knowing that I am fairly well stocked when it comes to tools so that I can start most, if not all jobs, without worrying about having to purchase some tool beforehand.
Yes, with some economical tooling can afford to sit on some stuff.
 
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I've got a whole bunch of Harbor Freight stuff and have not had a single problem with none of it.....and it's all super cheap too....

14pc combo. wrench set std or metric for $25 per set
 

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Bahco makes several of snap on pliers. They don't make any of there multimeters test lights, fuse savers or any of that stuff. There not as bad as matco or mac or cornwell but with a little research you can almost get all of there tools from the original vendors and not be enslaved to a weekly truck payment
 

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I'm having a devil of a time following the gist of this thread. However, what's with the constant need for people to justify their tooling choices? Buy what you want/need, what you can afford and what you're happy with. That's all it equates to.

Might as well ask why someone buys a road car which can do three times the legal speed limit when they only ever drive it on public roads versus someone who wants economy over performance. It's their choice, whatever their reasoning, simple as.
 

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There is no point lol. I'm being argumentative and sberry is very hard to follow in his rant threasds
 

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I'm having a devil of a time following the gist of this thread. However, what's with the constant need for people to justify their tooling choices? Buy what you want/need, what you can afford and what you're happy with. That's all it equates to.

Might as well ask why someone buys a road car which can do three times the legal speed limit when they only ever drive it on public roads versus someone who wants economy over performance. It's their choice, whatever their reasoning, simple as.

I think I've nailed it down to jealousy and insecurity. Either someone is jealous of my tools and thinks I'm under qualified with over priced tools so I need to justify myself for my excess or I'm worried that I have spent too much on tools for the level of mechanic I really am. That or just a plain ego driven need for my opinion on a matter to be heard. I'm guilty of two. :evil::lol:
 

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I'm having a devil of a time following the gist of this thread. However, what's with the constant need for people to justify their tooling choices? Buy what you want/need, what you can afford and what you're happy with. That's all it equates to.

Might as well ask why someone buys a road car which can do three times the legal speed limit when they only ever drive it on public roads versus someone who wants economy over performance. It's their choice, whatever their reasoning, simple as.

Some of them over the pond don't get that! :lol:
 

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If you do this stuff for a living, than name brand or bust IMO... For the weekend gearhead, I don't think it really matters.

I'm a Snapon and MAC guy myself, though I do have some MATCO and ******** stuff... I buy cheap tools for the sole purpose of making other tools.
 

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So...my point was that most "Snap On" branded stuff is either made by Snapon, or made exclusively for Snapon...i already knew that Blue Point was rebranded...

My point is that Matco stuff (other than the boxes) are made by someone else and usually off shore...and they're trying to get snapon prices for it...

Nothing wrong with a cheap wrench or anything...but don't tell me Snapon ain't worth my living when I know that it is
 

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That's a the shity part a lot of there stuff that's rebrand isn't made exclusively for them lol. But I agree I don't mind cheap tools I love gear wrench........but refuse to pay American prices for import lol
 

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That's a the shity part a lot of there stuff that's rebrand isn't made exclusively for them lol. But I agree I don't mind cheap tools I love gear wrench........but refuse to pay American prices for import lol

Perfectly fair. I will shop around for something rebranded to get the best deal, and ultimately the best value for the tool.

Can't blame them for rebranding and charging extra, that's business and they're in it to make money. If anyone doesn't like that, buy it from the OEM instead!
 

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I personally look at quality instead of brand.

I was raised around old craftsman tools and was taught to buy decent tools. So when I got my first house I went up to sears and bought me a nice set of craftsmans to stick my box. When I got it home all looked good then I went to use the ratchet wrench and was disappointed in the play it had in the mechanism. Was told about the Pittsburg composites and checked them out in hf when I was in there one day. They seem to have a much better mechanism than the craftsmans. Might end up picking one up to try since I've read some great review of them.

Just show that well know brands have declined in quality while the cheap brands are working on improving their quality.

I can remember when Hyundai and kia where just cheap cars that always broke down and you where said to be a fool if you bought one. Now they are nice cars that have come in vogue and people seek to buy. This for one simple reason affordable quality.
 

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I think the point Sberry is trying to make is this... A tech fresh out of school does not need a $20,000 box with $75,000 worth of tools just to start out with. Buy only what you can afford and pay for in CASH buy used if it fits the use. There is a cost vrs use the more you use a certian tool then a higher quality is a better option. Do research on what has been rebranded and buy oem for cheaper..


Do you really need Snap-on 1/2 drive SAE if you normally 99% of the time only use metric?
 

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I think the point Sberry is trying to make is this... A tech fresh out of school does not need a $20,000 box with $75,000 worth of tools just to start out with. Buy only what you can afford and pay for in CASH buy used if it fits the use. There is a cost vrs use the more you use a certian tool then a higher quality is a better option. Do research on what has been rebranded and buy oem for cheaper..


Do you really need Snap-on 1/2 drive SAE if you normally 99% of the time only use metric?

I don't think anyone is trying to make a Point to the Contrary.. Of Course a New Tech doesn't need a 20K Box, Let alone 20K worth of tools right of the Bat. This Place baffles me, Its like there are only 2 tool choices in the World, HF and Snap On and its impossible to own HF without breaking tools or Snap on without being in debt up to your eyeballs. Is there NO middle ground around this Place?
 
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