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[greasemonkey44]

Those Taurus and dodge van rear spark Plugs make you a believer in high quality ratchets.
No extra removal of parts and lots of drag coming out. You want low drag and getting the job done fast, with minimal frustration the best is the only way to go

 

[signcrafter]

Ah berries,,, as competitors I have 2 majors and a couple foot draggers I wish I could eliminate. They all have super product, I work on cooling and chilling a bit and some mass advertising. I try to project the same idea Snapon does.

You say you project the same idea as snap on does. But yet have been saying snap on is way over rated and people shouldn't buy snap on. So why should I buy your berries over the stuff at the super market?

 

[sberry]

Will it last for me at work not at all.

Just curious, ever have a set of Husky sockets in service? I had some **** Sears sockets out of the box chromes, and one set of metric deeps from HF and one or 2 cases someone drove some sockets on but busted about or 4 impacts over the years, those in cases such as 3/4, 1 1/8 once I recall with hot hi power air guns on old equipment.
It works in my heavy duty shop so I am wondering what the difference is? Why is Joe as a tech more brutal with a failing tool issue when the environment are likely similar and over as long career have a few places to have a chance to put some things to the test under higher duty cycles that they might be in a single user situation.

 

[Moose-LandTran]

Wise man say "When in hole, stop digging."

 

[sberry]

You say you project the same idea as snap on does. But yet have been saying snap on is way over rated and people shouldn't buy snap on. So why should I buy your berries over the stuff at the super market?

I never said it was over rated and that you shouldn't buy it. You read that into it. I use the pricing in comparison. Buy it if you want but it aint no bargain, it isn't even an investment.
I am saying that the cash strapped need not do without something they need for fear,, based soley on the fear it might not be good enough. We got testimony in this threads says guys make a living with it is closer to the truth than its all going to fail at some big earth shattering climax they have going on in life. You know,,, lunar missions and other similar work. National security missions could be compromised should they pop a socket in 10 yrs.

 

[n8n]

Just curious, ever have a set of Husky sockets in service? I had some **** Sears sockets out of the box chromes, and one set of metric deeps from HF and one or 2 cases someone drove some sockets on but busted about or 4 impacts over the years, those in cases such as 3/4, 1 1/8 once I recall with hot hi power air guns on old equipment.
It works in my heavy duty shop so I am wondering what the difference is? Why is Joe as a tech more brutal with a failing tool issue when the environment are likely similar and over as long career have a few places to have a chance to put some things to the test under higher duty cycles that they might be in a single user situation.

I mentioned in another thread that the only socket I've ever had truly fail on me (as in it split open, not stripped from lots of torque, and I can be sure it wasn't abused because I bought it new) was an old USA Husky 17mm deep socket. Just split open on me one day when trying to change the wheels on my car, and I'd used a torque wrench the last time the lugs were off. Got them off no problem with a replacement socket.

 

[joedodge]

Yep had a husky ratchet that I ruined at work actually yeArs ago. I've had matco mac and snap on and prefer snap on. I have a bent handle gear wrench I love tho. Quality matters in most areas some can be skimped.

 

[GTA Matt]

Just curious, ever have a set of Husky sockets in service? I had some **** Sears sockets out of the box chromes, and one set of metric deeps from HF and one or 2 cases someone drove some sockets on but busted about or 4 impacts over the years, those in cases such as 3/4, 1 1/8 once I recall with hot hi power air guns on old equipment.
It works in my heavy duty shop so I am wondering what the difference is? Why is Joe as a tech more brutal with a failing tool issue when the environment are likely similar and over as long career have a few places to have a chance to put some things to the test under higher duty cycles that they might be in a single user situation.

I tossed the majority of a stanley tools set out that somebody gave me for home use. If it wouldn't cut it at home, I surely would never use it to make my living. Big wrenches were ok, the rest was garbage. Wrenches spread under light use, none of the smaller sockets were the right size, fit real sloppy on bolts. Not fit to use IMO. One thing I advise people not to skimp on is ratchets and smaller sized wrenches and sockets.

 

[brettboat]

only tech school, full time, auto mech or auto body or diesel or marine or aviation, only can be bought online because it's a snapon industrial discount called SEP


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Same with MAC and MATCO. My friend I went to school with put his graduation date on the MATCO website as like 2020... He still hasn't paid full price on anything MATCO lol...

I highly suggest any kids in school to take every penny they have and buy quality tools half price. It's an investment for life.

What I wouldn't do is buy a box on your student discount because you'll outgrow that SOB real quick. I'm about to outgrow my mac box...

 

[DodgeMech]

Thing about the tool truck that no one here has really brought up: Something breaks the tool truck guy is gonna give you a new one or a loaner at least. Local sears will replace as will HF-but you gotta go there. Same for stanley, gearwrench or similar-phone call or go to a supplier and you get a new one no issue. But if its your job day in and out its possible you will be screwed if you need to run to sears to get another tool cause it broke.

Tool truck comes to us, sure...but one a week...whereas sear's and Lowes are open 7 days a week...so, for that reason, most things that we have that are "breakable" we (or at least me, personally)have duplicates...i own like 4 dual 80 3/8 ratchets...and have countless cman rp ratchets in all three sizes...

I think some of you are VERY biased. If the tool works and is of decent quality then why do you need the $$$ version of the same thing? Bragging rights? Your own personal enjoyment (that I understand)? But why spend 100 bucks on a SO ratchet when a husky one from home cheapo does the job?

Because I can put a 3/8 dual 80 ratchet through all types of **** and not worry about it...while I know that my rp will either slip or break, and I don't own any cheaper ratchets...also, flank drive plus is something worth paying the snappy name for...even though I just today found out that Williams has the same thing on their super combo wrenches

 

[Hantke]

Same with MAC and MATCO. My friend I went to school with put his graduation date on the MATCO website as like 2020... He still hasn't paid full price on anything MATCO lol...

I highly suggest any kids in school to take every penny they have and buy quality tools half price. It's an investment for life.

What I wouldn't do is buy a box on your student discount because you'll outgrow that SOB real quick. I'm about to outgrow my mac box...

But the carts are a great deal, just go an email the other day 60% off of a cart, any but the most expensive basically, i prefer the little 1 bay toolboxes over a cart (i enjoy using the top as a portable work bench), and will probably get one from Snap-On or Matco by the time a graduate as well as possibly a bigger box (i believe i can get anything but a 6s, though i don't know, can't log back in until september, when stuff starts back up again). But since i plan on using it every day, and i also plan on paying cash for it all, i see worth in the whole "buy it once, have it for life" concept. Now at the same time, i'm not buying any tools from them until i have a good idea of what tools i will use most often. until then i have a few boxes of HF stuff.

Another issue i've found with the whole "snap on" mentality, schools now push Snap-On tools on their students like it's a requirement, we are allowed to spend up to $9,000.00 with our discounts, and the schools try and make you buy everything on the damn truck. They're worse than the Reps.

 

[joedodge]

I will say this since you guys are talking about it. I bought as much as I could from matco with my discount. Unfortunately wore most or it out and didn't have a dealer to warranty so I traded it on other brands. I still have my matco box I bought for $1500 back then. Organize well don't get a bigger box to fit all the fancy trays and **** the stuff came in. If you spend the money to organize a good two bay will last many years

 

[Fretters]

What I wouldn't do is buy a box on your student discount because you'll outgrow that SOB real quick. I'm about to outgrow my mac box...

Are you limited to what size of box you can buy with the discount or suchlike?

 

[brettboat]

Are you limited to what size of box you can buy with the discount or suchlike?

Yes, no KRL or Equip series and no 3 bay classic series.

MAC won't let you buy any of the macsimizer line and MATCO I think limits you to the 4s pre made boxes. None of the custom ones.

I'd personally run a harbor freight box or any beat up snappy box from craigslist until you can afford a nice KRL or the like.

 

[techenthusiast]

Same with MAC and MATCO. My friend I went to school with put his graduation date on the MATCO website as like 2020... He still hasn't paid full price on anything MATCO lol...



I highly suggest any kids in school to take every penny they have and buy quality tools half price. It's an investment for life.



What I wouldn't do is buy a box on your student discount because you'll outgrow that SOB real quick. I'm about to outgrow my mac box...

That seems unethical. I would think that your friend can get in trouble legally for falsifying information. And it's also not fair to everyone else paying full price.


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[brettboat]

But the carts are a great deal, just go an email the other day 60% off of a cart, any but the most expensive basically, i prefer the little 1 bay toolboxes over a cart (i enjoy using the top as a portable work bench), and will probably get one from Snap-On or Matco by the time a graduate as well as possibly a bigger box (i believe i can get anything but a 6s, though i don't know, can't log back in until september, when stuff starts back up again). But since i plan on using it every day, and i also plan on paying cash for it all, i see worth in the whole "buy it once, have it for life" concept. Now at the same time, i'm not buying any tools from them until i have a good idea of what tools i will use most often. until then i have a few boxes of HF stuff.

Another issue i've found with the whole "snap on" mentality, schools now push Snap-On tools on their students like it's a requirement, we are allowed to spend up to $9,000.00 with our discounts, and the schools try and make you buy everything on the damn truck. They're worse than the Reps.

My school wasn't bad about it. But it was also an aviation tech school in south Georgia where most of the boys there were about dirt poor. We had all of our tools provided for us by the school and we turned them back in when it was all said and done.

I'm not a fan of carts just because of my line of work, I'm always having to move my box around... I'd hate to have a second box to move around.

As for paying outright, it's not a bad idea. I buy all my handtools outright. But I did finance my box for the sole reason of building up my credit (I'm pretty young, I've only had credit for 3 years). I pay $250 a week on my box at 14% interest. At my high payment rates, I should save myself alot of that interest.

 

[joedodge]

I'll say this I've said it befor a lot of guys blow money on huge boxes for little to no tools. Very few guys need the giant boxes a well organized small box does amazing. Remember it's not a contest.......no one cares how big of a snap on you went into debt over it makes no money

 

[Moose-LandTran]

A lot of guys blow money on huge boxes for little to no tools.

This kinda thing always makes me laugh. They have a huge box, then you go inside and there's nothing in there.

I have a 40" KRA, top, bottom, side box and side locker. It's pretty full. Bit of reorganization and i'll free up a bit more space. Dealer keeps telling me i need a bigger box, yeah, like i want to spend 5 grand on a new box..

When this one's full i'll drag the KR top/middle out of my garage and start filling that up.

 

[brettboat]

I'll say this I've said it befor a lot of guys blow money on huge boxes for little to no tools. Very few guys need the giant boxes a well organized small box does amazing. Remember it's not a contest.......no one cares how big of a snap on you went into debt over it makes no money

I've seen KRL series boxes with 1 drawer full. I just own alot of hand tools and ALOT of sheet metal tools... Just a tool *****

 

[joedodge]

I like how you think moose! I've seen the pics of your box. That's what I'm talking about PAC them full it's not a contest to see how much space between tools lol that always kills me

 

[brettboat]

That seems unethical. I would think that your friend can get in trouble legally for falsifying information. And it's also not fair to everyone else paying full price.


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I never suggested it! Just saying!!!! lol

 

[Moose-LandTran]

I like how you think moose! I've seen the pics of your box. That's what I'm talking about PAC them full it's not a contest to see how much space between tools lol that always kills me

Thanks Joe.

I need to get new pics of it, been meaning to for ages. I've had a few people comment on how they couldn't work out of a box so packed. It's so overloaded that i had to replace the bottom box recently, the spot welds in the bottom started separating where the wheels attach.

Need to build a brace for the bottom of it!

 

[joedodge]

Seriously? Wow so you had to buy a new snap on box?

 

[Moose-LandTran]

Seriously? Wow so you had to buy a new snap on box?

Yep, i'll try get some pics of the old box.

It wasn't new, it was a "spare" one a friend had, traded for £200 and some work. But this one has ball bearing slides that the old one didn't have.

 

[joedodge]

Oh very cool man that's awesome!

 

[GTA Matt]

Hey now, easy with the tool box comments. I had some of that **** stacked on the floor before!

 

[Moose-LandTran]

Hey now, easy with the tool box comments. I had some of that **** stacked on the floor before!

I spent 6 months working out of two cantilever boxes in the back of my car while my toolbox was in storage.

That really sucked..

Main cantilever box:

I weighed that at 83.5lb. I also fell down the stairs carrying it once, and it landed on top of me.

 

[joedodge]

**** Matt! Your box is packed as all get out with actual tools! No polishing there!

 

[joedodge]

Oh **** moose that ***** big time

 

[sberry]

I started babbling about the big Sears set earlier. I remember when I bought it just out of auto school. I was comparing, Sears was 3 grand or so. I got on the truck and bought one small set of flanks and the guy was kind of a ***** and wasn't going to discount a nickel, I stopped pricing at 13K which looked like 35 or more and that wasn't as complete, plus another 5 large for a box. I don't think I even got started on 3/4 drive in that quote.
I probably doubled or more since, maybe triple but it was never much about it not being good enough but needing more at the time. Demand has dropped some since and not worth selling but I don't have much in to it either

 

[Fretters]

I weighed that at 83.5lb. I also fell down the stairs carrying it once, and it landed on top of me.

If you did something like that over here, unless there was bone protruding or blood spurting they'd likely just be ******* themselves with laughter, if anyone was watching. No a sympathetic bunch by nature over here.

 

[Moose-LandTran]

If you did something like that over here, unless there was bone protruding or blood spurting they'd likely just be ******* themselves with laughter, if anyone was watching. No a sympathetic bunch by nature over here.

Over here? I'm from London.

My dad came to see what the noise was, same me laying there with a toolbox on top of me and then walked off.

He determined that i was swearing sufficiently to be ok.

 

[n8n]

I spent 6 months working out of two cantilever boxes in the back of my car while my toolbox was in storage.

That really sucked..

Main cantilever box:

I weighed that at 83.5lb. I also fell down the stairs carrying it once, and it landed on top of me.

I have my primary hand tools all stuffed into one 26" top chest and one intermediate chest. I don't know how much they weigh; enough that I can barely lift the top chest by myself. Last time I moved my tools my roommate lost his grip on his end while loading it into the back of my Jeep... I was smart enough to just drop my end and get out of the way. Nice big dent in it now...

 

[Moose-LandTran]

I have my primary hand tools all stuffed into one 26" top chest and one intermediate chest. I don't know how much they weigh; enough that I can barely lift the top chest by myself. Last time I moved my tools my roommate lost his grip on his end while loading it into the back of my Jeep... I was smart enough to just drop my end and get out of the way. Nice big dent in it now...

I used to have a rammed 26" top chest as well. I remember once putting it in the car to move it. I couldn't lift it out though, had to get someone to help me.

 

[Fretters]

Over here? I'm from London.

"The brink of insanity" seems a suitable location to list then. Thought you were from over there, with the moose in your username.

My dad came to see what the noise was, same me laying there with a toolbox on top of me and then walked off.

He determined that i was swearing sufficiently to be ok.

Great, isn't it. Can never say we get molly-coddled, can we. Could literally have limbs hanging off and they'd tell us it was only a scratch.

 

[joedodge]

**** I wish I coulda moved mine in my car or truck. Last time I moved it had to have a wrecker move it for me

 

[Moose-LandTran]

"The brink of insanity" seems a suitable location to list then. Thought you were from over there, with the moose in your username.

That was more to do with me, than the location!

Moose is a name given to me a long time ago by a Canadian girl.

Great, isn't it. Can never say we get molly-coddled, can we. Could literally have limbs hanging off and they'd tell us it was only a scratch.

Yeah, never did get mollycoddled, at home, school or work!

Bit of stiff upper lip, get up and carry on!

**** I wish I coulda moved mine in my car or truck. Last time I moved it had to have a wrecker move it for me

I've always moved mine by van, Take all the drawers out, then separate the box sections and load it, reassemble at the other end.

With all the drawers out but all 4 sections bolted together it took 8 guys to get it in the van. They're surprisingly heavy when empty.

 

[joedodge]

I tried finding a way to move mine by myself and couldn't manage I wish I could have. Hopefully I won't be moving it for a while

 

[signcrafter]

Since this thread is basically over what have we gotten out of it?

I think what I got out of this thread was there is no reason to buy fresh strawberries when you can get frozen strawberries from the store that tastes like strawberries. After all a strawberry is a strawberry and any old strawberry will get the job done!

 

[sberry]

You said it in another post, sometimes its worth it to pay a little more,,, but whats a little, 20%. 50%. 20 or 30 times? Back when I was starting out might have considered double but 10 times was out of reach and I wanted to tool up today vs build a collection for years.
As I mentioned I looked at the new China Sears, actually it looks pretty good, good as it ever was.
I took the wheels off my storage box, move it with a pallet jack which is pretty rare since I am in my own shop. I have a couple cantilever, used one in the car trunk when I was a kid and on the road.