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Chrome Moly vs Chrome Van. impact , thickness?

Lelandwelds

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It combination of material grade and hardness treatment that makes or breaks the socket almost literally.

Either alloy family can yield a superior part. Chrome, moly, and vanadium can and do live quite happily in the same chunk of steel. Many, many steels out there. Care during the manufacture is the big variable.

Lots of times mfg choose cheaper controls, labor, and tolerance windows to minimize risKS and costs. Why walk right up to the edge of "too hard" for better performance if the cheaper side of middle of the road is easier? More accuracy, better QC, better materials, and better marketing all cost time, money and effort.

Why bother unless you can a premium price?
 
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It combination of material grade and hardness treatment that makes or breaks the socket almost literally lol.
example being HF pitts pro impacts that cr-mo, these don't wallow out as quickly as truck brands and other favourite cr-mo sockets mainly as molybdenum content in the alloy they use lower so it closer to impact standard cr-v . I assume better brands adhere to a current manufacture spec classification that results in almost useless soft cr-mo sockets, have asked my MAC man for more info on the curent cr-mo trend of impacts and what manufacture standards/classifications they adhere too .
Cheap design/machining, like tapered nose, short necking rather than full length, no necking drive end on larger sizes, no groove and no chamfer on drive square all link to easier manufacture, phosphate finish much same and can pretty much see a good phosphate over cheap effort in retail pics and in hand and in use the difference night and day ...
It almost a true statement that HF pitts pro impact sockets are better than snapon lol . If HF expanded this range in drives and sizes it be a big winner for the cost and availability to all .
I sticking with my cr-v and japan style as much as can, lot more to socket design and material spec than meets the eye and buying top brands or most recommended not always best way go, learn more about it and make your own informed choice to your preferences .
For me chunky sockets with tapered nose or soft as cheese cr-mo are next to useless professionally compared to design featured sets that are necked and use old school cr-v or lower content molybdenum.
Speaking of phosphate finish. I was writing a review of my HF impacts on the HF site. One complaint I made was how easily the black finish rubbed off. The robo censor blocked my review for RACIST content. Apparantly, you can't say black in your review. LMFAO!!.

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Either alloy family can yield a superior part. Chrome, moly, and vanadium can and do live quite happily in the same chunk of steel. Many, many steels out there. Care during the manufacture is the big variable.

Lots of times mfg choose cheaper controls, labor, and tolerance windows to minimize risKS and costs. Why walk right up to the edge of "too hard" for better performance if the cheaper side of middle of the road is easier? More accuracy, better QC, better materials, and better marketing all cost time, money and effort.

Why bother unless you can a premium price?
Well the premium price tends be the worst in terms of too soft .
 

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Speaking of phosphate finish. I was writing a review of my HF impacts on the HF site. One complaint I made was how easily the black finish rubbed off. The robo censor blocked my review for RACIST content. Apparantly, you can't say black in your review. LMFAO!!.

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I have the HF pitts pro ones in mobile truck box and found them pretty decent . The cheaper sets not so good and different coating .

Do HF also block certain amount negative feedback ? I never rely too much on company controlled feedback.
 
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The phosphate coating/treatment appear really different between different makes. Some have a solid coating that is really bound to the socket others have a chalky feel that wants to come off in your hands. While the biggest issues for me is the softness problem the phosphate finish can be both really good or bad.
 
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I can put calipers on metric impacts but have no SAE/Imperial.

If you have a 26mm, 27mm, or 28mm that is very close to 1 1/16" so in the same brand and type would probably be a good guide.


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These are 32mm not really apples to apples as the shallow is possibly made thinner than a deep.

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Deep China Pittsburgh cr-v
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Deep axle Taiwan cr-v
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Deep Williams usa
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Shallow cr-mo sunex
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