Circuit breaker addition
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mike93lx
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The label on the door should have a listing of allowable types. Swap out that square d while you are in there, too. Who installed that one?
mike93lx
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It isn't listed for the panel and needs to be replaced to be compliant.
Siemens QP is what you want to search for. The dual Pole 30 will be under 20 bucks
Siemens QP is what you want to search for. The dual Pole 30 will be under 20 bucks
Friend of a coworker , who is supposed to be a licensed electrician.
mike93lx
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He done messed up
mike93lx
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That Eaton needs to come out too
mike93lx
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Yes, QP is the right style if you don't need gfci or afci in the breaker.
The "branch breaker" column is what you want to look at
The "branch breaker" column is what you want to look at
Ok
To be fair this was all done post Covid when he couldn’t find hardly anything on store shelves.
mike93lx
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Yeah, things got weird.
Your shop isn't about to burn down from it. Fixing it is the right move and won't cost much.
I’ll straighten things out. Thanks for your help
sparky 1971
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Siemens® QP 30-Amp 2-Pole Standard Circuit breaker
Siemens offers a wide array of thermal-magnetic circuit breakers that are the key element for overload and short-circuit protection of your homes electrical system. Circuit breakers are intended for switching and protection of your home's wiring from high temperatures caused by excess current...
www.menards.com
Siemens® QP 20-Amp 1-Pole Standard Circuit Breaker
Siemens offers a wide array of thermal-magnetic circuit breakers that are the key element for overload and short-circuit protection of your homes electrical system. Circuit breakers are intended for switching and protection of your home's wiring from high temperatures caused by excess current...
www.menards.com
Here is the scoop about Homeline breakers in competitive panels from Square D.
Eaton BR is only listed for Eaton BR & Challenger panels, they are not UL classified for use in competitive makes of panels, Eaton CL is classified for competitive makes of panels.
Eaton BR is only listed for Eaton BR & Challenger panels, they are not UL classified for use in competitive makes of panels, Eaton CL is classified for competitive makes of panels.
wyliesdiesels
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Mike beat me to it on everything i was gonna point out.
Get that sq d and earon outta there
Get that sq d and earon outta there
It's frustrating that some panels/ breaker combinations that physically fit are not approved, no doubt due to lack of testing and certification. I get it, it's all about safety. Maybe a square D breaker does not apply the proper clamping force on a Siemens bus, who knows why some are approved and some are not, it depends on vendor testing. Maybe it's politics or business! It would be nice if there was body like NIST or IEEE that developed standards for manufactures to follow, or at least comply with. It would be a lot easier to figure out what worked where. For now we just need to read the label on the panel, and who has time to read these days! 
sparky 1971
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I don't remember what it was about but I know it wasn't breakers when I asked an inspector why I couldn't do something using a product that I thought would be better for the application. (I was looking for permission, there wasn't a failed inspection) He agreed but said because it's not listed. I asked why and the response was that the manufacturer has to pay to get a listing and then pay a fee for every listing for every product sold. Square D would have to pay for a listing to replace Siemens, then pay for at least two listings on every breaker sold. I don't think there is a darn thing different, design wise, between an Eaton BR and a CL, but they only have to pay for the extra listings on CL sales while they only pay for the BR listing with BR breakers. That whole thing might be rubbish, but it makes sense to me.It's frustrating that some panels/ breaker combinations that physically fit are not approved, no doubt due to lack of testing and certification. I get it, it's all about safety. Maybe a square D breaker does not apply the proper clamping force on a Siemens bus, who knows why some are approved and some are not, it depends on vendor testing. Maybe it's politics or business! It would be nice if there was body like NIST or IEEE that developed standards for manufactures to follow, or at least comply with. It would be a lot easier to figure out what worked where. For now we just need to read the label on the panel, and who has time to read these days!
Now I'm gonna be up all night trying to remember what I wanted to do.
SQ D /Schneider states that only SQ D breakers should be used in their panels & they would be hypocrites if they were to have breakers classified for competitive makes of panels.It's frustrating that some panels/ breaker combinations that physically fit are not approved, no doubt due to lack of testing and certification. I get it, it's all about safety. Maybe a square D breaker does not apply the proper clamping force on a Siemens bus, who knows why some are approved and some are not, it depends on vendor testing. Maybe it's politics or business! It would be nice if there was body like NIST or IEEE that developed standards for manufactures to follow, or at least comply with. It would be a lot easier to figure out what worked where. For now we just need to read the label on the panel, and who has time to read these days!