Above 1200 Sq/FT Cleaning Up My Shop

[cosmo52]

Great thread Oldironfarmer. My old farmyard has similar inventory and organization challenges. Good to see the progress you are making and including the younger members of your family.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Great thread, and progress! Thanks for sharing.

Thanks for the kind words! I'm hoping to really make some progress now, but I have committed to a week long trip starting Monday the 22nd. Oh well, all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. Hey! I'm not jack

Great thread Oldironfarmer. My old farmyard has similar inventory and organization challenges. Good to see the progress you are making and including the younger members of your family.

I don't think it is atypical of farms. Too many times you can use a part off a piece of junk. Or you grease up the junk and put it back to work while waiting on parts.

But I've got to get my shop cleaned up!

Thanks for the visit and support

 

[oldironfarmer]

Got out in the cool early and cleaned the slab of forms, pulled all the nails and started laying out walls.

The curb came out good, and look how clean my shop is! I knew building on would fix my problems

And, just for the record, here is the "prone to crack" corner. 24 hours and no cracks

 

[madoc1]

great read young man. where are you tripping to? the slab looks really nice.

jim

 

[neilc]

Nice work on the slab. I have a 40 x 60 foot building that's 40 years old poured with wire mesh. It has a couple of cracks. I'd probably suggest cutting it to direct them unless you really don't care.

What's impressive is just how quickly you went from cleaning out a space to pouring concrete. That has to be one of the fastest transformation on GJ ever!

Thanks for sharing the progress. Really good stuff!

 

[oldironfarmer]

great read young man. where are you tripping to? the slab looks really nice.

jim

Thanks for the visit! But you stumped me with your comment "where are you tripping to?" I can't decipher. Maybe someone can help me

Nice work on the slab. I have a 40 x 60 foot building that's 40 years old poured with wire mesh. It has a couple of cracks. I'd probably suggest cutting it to direct them unless you really don't care.

What's impressive is just how quickly you went from cleaning out a space to pouring concrete. That has to be one of the fastest transformation on GJ ever!

Thanks for sharing the progress. Really good stuff!

Thanks for the visit and comments! I guess I really don't care about cracks if they appear. I've seen many that were cut, then didn't follow the cut anyway. Going to find out on this one.

I'm glad you think progress is good It is painfully slow to me, but I made good progress yesterday and today I decided to add on after reading 1930's Auto Garage all the way through while trying to sort and clean up my shop. After reading a few more threads I decided to start this thread the day I started the add-on so I wouldn't pass something I wanted to take pictures of. It has been really good so far, lots of support and I'm learning lots

So, I started on 15 July, poured footings 25 July and had forms ready 2 August. Poured concrete slab on 16 August after waiting on the contractor for two weeks. Summary don't look too bad

Thanks for making me review

Now we're ready to frame

 

[oldironfarmer]

Yesterday afternoon I went to town and bought a little lumber, got back late and unloaded it.

It was hot. Fixed supper and went back out and mostly framed the north wall. Started back early this morning, nice and cool Just needed cripples added.

Took the tin off the corner and found this:

That's ugly! Water damage from a roof leak I knew about but had not fixed, apparently for several years. It will get fixed now. The good news is the 2x4 nailer is damaged only above the level of the new wall. All the wafer board can be replaced after the new wall is up so

 

[a_thiel24]

You've done a great job in such a short period of time, Andy. All while working in the heat of summer. I love how each job/process has it's own area. It is also very cool that you are in to so many different hobbies. Broom making was a new one to me but it looks pretty sweet.

 

[oldironfarmer]

You've done a great job in such a short period of time, Andy. All while working in the heat of summer. I love how each job/process has it's own area. It is also very cool that you are in to so many different hobbies. Broom making was a new one to me but it looks pretty sweet.

Thanks for the kind words! I'm trying to get it closed in for winter so I can keep working, looking pretty good now, after the concrete guys finally came!

I seem to keep picking up hobbies, but they all tie together in some way.

Upper Sandusky I've been there My DIL's grandma was a Schantz, she had Morgan horses and carriages and my DIL inherited 42 carriages from her when she died. They sold 21 at auction and we took two big rental vans to Upper Sandusky to bring the other 21 back. They were stored in my shop and container (that's why I bought the container) until my son could get a place built for them. It took about three years, but I really didn't mind, some are quite old, beginning in the mid 1700's, and included surreys, sulkys, closed cabs and sleighs.

If we lived closer I'd learn to be a wheelwright. Have most the skills, just need to learn the details, standards, and tricks.

Stop in anytime

 

[oldironfarmer]

Working alone to erect walls, used to be I'd build a little back stop so the wall wouldn't fall out, then I'd lift to saw horses, then in one push lift and steady the wall while I finished nailing into whatever support I had. A nail driven with the point just through is easy to get a lick on one handed then when you have angle braces an pull the nail and plumb it right.

No more. Lift onto some blocks

Then just pick and set, bumping into final place by hand.

Got a chain loose around the top plates so when I set it down it can't fall, may lean if the wind comes up.

Here it is just set down

Plumb, nail, angle brace, unhook and back up to admire your work

Dang! Looks like the second stud from the right is misplaced, I'll have to measure that.

I bought tapcon screws to anchor the sill, but my nail gun goes right in to the green concrete. Screws can come later.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Then I started on the side wall. The wall has another overhead door, and I hate to install the header in place, so I built until I had a good stopping place. Worked out good at 32 ft of wall.

That's a little long, so I decided to use a strong back and found an old spreader bar I built twenty years ago to lift 40 ft trusses for our church. It's 16 ft long, just right to pick up at the quarter points of a 32 ft wall. I should have cut up the spreader bar and sold it for scrap years ago. Yes, the spreader bar is bent, the operator did that at the church bouncing the long trusses. I hooked it upside down today to let it bend straight if it bent. (I flipped it over after this picture was taken)

But I didn't.

That's it laying on top of the wall.

I couldn't get straight on or I would have lifted under the bar with the forks so I chained it to one fork.

I looped the lift chain around the fork then choked it with a small chain to put tension on the chain to keep it from sliding on the fork if I get it out of level, or if the wall tries to fall when the chain is slack.

Here's a detail of the end. That's sucker rod forged into a loop (I am a blacksmith, by the way, so it was heated in a coal forge and formed around the anvil horn) and more sucker rod formed to hook into the loop and around one 2 by. The hook is drilled to safety wire with baling wire (I am a farmer, by the way, and we still use wire for square bales so I have a LOT). The hook was designed to come free when let down when the truss was in place, a 40 ft truss is high in the middle and it was better to make a longer hook and no safety so slacking the crane lets the operator unhook. Not good industrial practice, but we had no incidents. Fortunately the hooks were still with the bar.

Lifted like a dream, but it kept dragging on the end wall. When I would swing a little it would come on up. I was a little too busy to stop and take a picture until I was ready to get out and nail it in place.

I almost ran out of stick. The alternate plan was to set it on saw horses and re-hook the load. But with the boom at full height and the tilt almost full up the wall hung free. I'd rather be lucky than good!!

Plumbed the far end and nailed it to the end wall, then slacked the load to plumb and brace the free end.

Do it again: unhook, back up and admire the finished work.

60 ft building, 32 ft down, 28 ft tomorrow. May as well make it in one piece because I can back into the shed and pick up the bar with the forks.

The little pile of lumber is dwindling

 

[slimpickins]

Great progress! Framing always feels like you're making big progress!

... because you are!

Are you planning to roof the addition up to the existing roof or will there be a vertical wall under the existing roof to tie the addition to?

Looking forward to more progress!

 

[dlcwent]

Andy, I can't even imagine trying to keep up with you now, but I'm thinking Holy Sh@t, this guy is doing all this at his age what the hell was he like when he was younger. Did anyone tell you that when you retire you're supposed to slow down a little?

Everything is coming along nicely. You're making great progress.

When you get a minute, come up to Maine and we'll take a day to go fishing and relax.

 

[egnorant]

Great progress! I know how tough it can be being a one man operation. Boss is a perfectionist, workers hurry and screw things up, designer keeps changing the plans, product ordering, delivery and finance are constantly fighting. Then the owner goes online and reads someones post that starts with a wooded lot and 18 minutes later they are putting in a retractable pool table.

Having fun!

Bruce

 

[TIMI]

[/QUOTE]

I thought the only way perform Slavs.

 

[1/2 Cup]

Andy, wow.

Looking good, you have made some great progress..

Regards

 

[Rex_A_Lott]

I've missed a few days, and missed a lot of progress! I like how you knocked out the playhouse in your spare time. I would have been happy with just that.
Concrete looking good. Where you going in SC? Maybe I can get by to get a broom.

 

[madoc1]

andy, i was just being nosy about the trip you are committed to starting the 22nd. nice work on the walls! i certainly agree with the others about your energy and speed-envious.

jim

 

[bluestripe67]

Andy, you are, or should be considered too be a "Macgyver". Putting any and every available tool to use.

 

[a_thiel24]

Upper Sandusky I've been there
Stop in anytime

Wow, such a small world! Nice job raising the walls by yourself

 

[Terrick down Under]

Nice work A, I use my skidsteer like that. It does most things I like....when its going that is. The other day when we were backfilling the extension to the driveway it had a really bad metal grinding sound so I parked it and when I cooled off 2 days later I found it was the park brake disks had flogged out and were rattling. Who needs a park break...but now I just read 1/2cups latest and got to thinking....safety first.
Great build keep going, don't forget to hydrate.
T.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Great progress! Framing always feels like you're making big progress!

... because you are!

Are you planning to roof the addition up to the existing roof or will there be a vertical wall under the existing roof to tie the addition to?

Looking forward to more progress!

Thanks for the comment, and the visit

Framing is one of those jobs that can go pretty quickly. And it feels good, because you basically now have a building and all you need to do is "finish up" In construction it is sometimes called "show work". Everyone feels good and progress looks great, until you never seem to get done doing the details And sometimes you have to take it back down to correct for a missed step. Bummer.

The plan is to continue the existing roof slope down to the new wall, should be about five inches between the metal and top of the new wall, 1-3/4" of that will be taken up by the purlin (2x4 on an angle). We'll see how it works out.

Andy, I can't even imagine trying to keep up with you now, but I'm thinking Holy Sh@t, this guy is doing all this at his age what the hell was he like when he was younger. Did anyone tell you that when you retire you're supposed to slow down a little?

Everything is coming along nicely. You're making great progress.

When you get a minute, come up to Maine and we'll take a day to go fishing and relax.

Thanks for the good words. Not hard to keep up with me, I'm just an old guy plodding along. A word of caution, when you retire, you have the time to do what you want. Some choose to sit down and wait on death, and it will be along by and by. I believe in balls to the wall and hope I have lots of unfinished projects when they karaoke me. ("carry okie"="pall bearer")

I want to see Maine, especially the coast, but fishing? I've never been good at that. Maybe if it was "catching" it would be fun

I've got a tag for you if you'll PM your address.

Great progress! I know how tough it can be being a one man operation. Boss is a perfectionist, workers hurry and screw things up, designer keeps changing the plans, product ordering, delivery and finance are constantly fighting. Then the owner goes online and reads someones post that starts with a wooded lot and 18 minutes later they are putting in a retractable pool table.

Having fun!

Bruce

You got that right! The guy is a slave driver. Always asking me: "What could you be doing now" Sometimes I think he's trying to kill me, because he is the only one that knows about my lazy streak, he tries to help me control it.

I thought the only way perform Slavs. [/QUOTE]

You've never been to a small American farm. I fixed a broken baler tongue with 100 turns of baling wire one time. Worked so good I just finished the field instead of limping home.

But I know the Slavs can be pretty ingenious. I've seen the You Tube videos of using a tree in a hole in the ice as a windlass to winch a car out of a hole in the river.

People are basically the same all over, the guys who have to keep the stuff running without spare parts can figure it out, all over the world.

We have an old saying: "Necessity is a mother ****er", or, "Necessity is the mother of invention", same thing if you're the one who has to figure it out.

Thanks for the visit and the Slavic compliment

 

[oldironfarmer]

Andy, wow.

Looking good, you have made some great progress..

Regards

Thanks, Half Full!!

Always like to have you drop by and I value your comments

Progress is getting ready to stop with my trip

I've missed a few days, and missed a lot of progress! I like how you knocked out the playhouse in your spare time. I would have been happy with just that.
Concrete looking good. Where you going in SC? Maybe I can get by to get a broom.

Thanks for the comment! Unfortunately the surface grinder has taken a back burner, waiting for a rainy day. It was fun to rejuvenate the little house I built so many years ago. I should have painted it, but my attention got diverted when the concrete was finished and I got lazy and pushed it off on the SIL

I'm going to Charleston, hadn't thought about taking any brooms. But I could. If you're serious you could PM me.

andy, I was just being nosy about the trip you are committed to starting the 22nd. nice work on the walls! I certainly agree with the others about your energy and speed-envious.

jim

Oh, OK! I was just being dense, thought maybe you thought I was dropping acid or something

I be tripping to Ft. Sumpter and plan to stop by the Model A Garage to get some inspiration and maybe do a little blacksmithing

I really want to see the '31 Victoria

I did miss getting one stud on 24-inch centers. I've looked at it, and the crew installing the sheathing (me) will just have to deal with it, no gaps over 22-1/2". I can hear them moaning and whining already. What a bunch of wimps! Just trim a piece to fit and move on.

Andy, you are, or should be considered too be a "Macgyver". Putting any and every available tool to use.

Thanks for the visit! But you overestimate me. I'm just a cheap hoarder who gets a kick out of cheating the system by making instead of buying.

Had a kid working for me one summer, disking a field. He didn't use the right hitch pin and lost the disk in the field. Broke a street ell off in the hydraulic cylinder. He brought the tractor back to the house sheepishly thinking I'd be mad and he had no idea how to fix it. Since he had the broken ell on the hydraulic hose still attached to the tractor, I lit the forge and hammered out a tapered square easy out to fit. No reason to think the broken piece was frozen in the cylinder. We went back to the field with another ell, drove the easy out in, ell came right out, and had him back working all in the space of a half hour from when he broke down. He was surprised thinking we'd have to go to town to get parts and he would get a rest. HA HA HA HA

 

[oldironfarmer]

Wow, such a small world! Nice job raising the walls by yourself

It is a small world! I worked with a Ukrainian engineer in Holland who had been about every place I had been, and about the same time. Never crossed paths until we were both working for the Russians instead of other countries

Nice work A, I use my skidsteer like that. It does most things I like....when its going that is. The other day when we were backfilling the extension to the driveway it had a really bad metal grinding sound so I parked it and when I cooled off 2 days later I found it was the park brake disks had flogged out and were rattling. Who needs a park break...but now I just read 1/2cups latest and got to thinking....safety first.
Great build keep going, don't forget to hydrate.
T.

They have parking brakes? I see the pedal but never use it. It sure is good exercise climbing in and out to rig, rerig, move what you forgot to move, fasten, relieve pressure, fasten securely, and then to unhook. In and out, in and out, in and out. It's getting easier

I drink lots of water but really need to get some Gatorade. Thanks for the reminder, and the visit!!

Need to drop in on 1/2 Cup

 

[oldironfarmer]

Had a good day today!

No injuries, 1/2 Cup. That was the best thing that happened today

Added another section of wall, with a window for light. Lifted it directly with the forks like the very first section.

Got that done by 10:00.

Then made and set the last section (only 6'-9") and lifted it by hand. put a window in it too. The other sections are in the paint booth and I didn't want windows there. Plan to make the paint booth 12 ft x 24 ft. Is that big enough?

Then made the header for the 10' wide door with a walk through door and lifted that section directly with the forks. The adjacent post was not plumb so I added 1-3/8" to the top plate so the first stud would be plumb.

Too tired to make a header for the walk through door, but I need to have something to do later or I might get bored.

Ran out of lumber

Ran out of lumber

Went and bought more lumber

Went and bought more lumber

Joists, rafters, and internal wall studs

Have to unload the lumber

I've got 1,500 sq ft of ceiling to do, that takes a lot of boards. Wife doesn't know

Blowing and going in Terlton Oklahoma

 

[BBChevro]

Great progress Andy, I've got tired just reading it.

 

[Lyndon]

Great progress! I know how tough it can be being a one man operation. Boss is a perfectionist, workers hurry and screw things up, designer keeps changing the plans, product ordering, delivery and finance are constantly fighting. Then the owner goes online and reads someones post that starts with a wooded lot and 18 minutes later they are putting in a retractable pool table.

Having fun!

Bruce

Andy/Bruce

I think that captures it all in one post. Well done!

Keep up the good work. After your break, of course.

Have fun

Lyndon
On a chilly Saturday arvo down here.

P.S. - Hang on - weren't you having a break over the weekend???

 

[oldironfarmer]

Great progress Andy, I've got tired just reading it.

Boy, we must think alike! I got tired too

Andy/Bruce

I think that captures it all in one post. Well done!

Keep up the good work. After your break, of course.

Have fun

Lyndon
On a chilly Saturday arvo down here.

P.S. - Hang on - weren't you having a break over the weekend???

Got the lumber unloaded by 10:00 PM, little bit of a cool breeze, so refreshing.

P.S. They took away my weekends when I retired, new boss is a slave driver But I've got rain today, 16 hours of driving starting Monday with my grandson, two days messing around, then 16 hours back, so I have to spend today and tomorrow making sure everything is roadworthy. I'm ready for a little break. But I've got lumber

 

[Rex_A_Lott]

Thanks, Half Full!!





I'm going to Charleston, hadn't thought about taking any brooms. But I could. If you're serious you could PM me.

Oh, Ok. For some reason I thought you were going to a festival and set up to make brooms.Charleston is about as far away from us as you can get and still be in the state. Lot of history there, Fort Sumter and Charleston. I thought it was remarkable they could even hit the fort from the battery, you can barely see one from the other. Enjoy your trip.

 

[bolensboneyard]

OK so now I have to put in my two cents. My wife would probably be shocked I've kept my opinion to myself this long! I have been impressed with bcgyzan's comments since I first read them, as they have much insight and can guide another along a path that he has obviously already walked; and learned from. However, life has taught me so far that even though I should have listened to others, and many of the times I did not, had I not taken the "road less traveled" I would not have had the experiences that have made me, ME. The trick, I believe, is to pick and choose the wisdom, and the wise, to listen to, then keep moving so no one can throw dirt on you! All the advice about how long can you keep up a given lifestyle, and how much you NEED is true to a degree, but all you will have left as you grow older are memories, and memories grow from what you do, and the storage space in your mind to keep them in grows from what you teach yourself along the way. As far as a path or direction to go in? Even if you are on the right track, you'll get run over by the train if you just sit there. My brother once asked me, when I was in my early forties, why I was jumping out of airplanes and climbing mountains; why didn't I just play golf like I was supposed to at my age? He is younger than me by two years. My answer was; I could do that when I got into my seventies, but would probably not get to climb the Grand Teton then. He got insulted. I meant no harm in my answer. My point was, what you can fit into life is largely in the adaptability and planning of it. I find that building cars, which requires lots of grinding, sanding and other repetitious hand work, is something I no longer find fun; as it now costs me too much time, money and physical pain; so I am gearing toward less of that and more of other interests less demanding of those things; and there is no limit to those, as my thirst is accompanied by an empty cup. Every person I have ever admired, and remembered, that has passed on kept doing, kept learning, and above all, was willing to pass the knowledge, give the time, and focus on people; not because they were looking to rack up attendance numbers for their funeral, but because they had learned that their time was better spent if it were in order of importance. No offense meant to anyone. We all have to figure out what we want out of life. All that being said; a shop is, in my opinion, for creativity, preservation, expression, satisfaction, learning, teaching (if I'm lucky), relaxation, and fun. Order brings about all these things, as it allows you more time, and better focus. When I was younger I worked on a kitchen table with an adjustable wrench and a screwdriver (can anyone relate!) As my budget and ability grew so did my knowledge and stuff. Most of us have to let go of something in order to make room for more. Either the stuff goes to make room for more money (for more or better stuff) or the money (and labor) goes to make room for more stuff. I have come to the conclusion so far that when we reach the last stages of our lives, if we are not yet ready to check out, we can decide why we keep working, keep collecting, keep anything. Ask yourselves. Is it because I want to keep living, and as long as a project is incomplete I will have to survive in order for it to live. Is it because old things are worth cherishing and preserving; including me? Is it because many of the tired, old, machines that sit in my shop or pasture stand testament to my life; and in them are locked up many memories I choose not to forget? Or is it just because if they are not forgotten, hopefully, neither will I be? In my case, it's all of the above! NOW, I know why that old farmer, machinist and mechanic would not sell me that rusted piece of junk he was not doing anything with so many years ago; and those who gave it to me instead just because of the gleam in my eye, are my mentors still. Your on the right track Andy; order out of chaos not chaos out of order; that should be left only to the politicians. The train will get to the station no matter what we do; but I would rather be riding on it than being dragged under it when it gets there. Bobby

 

[bolensboneyard]

I read this to my wife. Her response was "And this is your 'quick reply'?" I apologize for the rant. It was early in the morning when I started and I had plenty of energy as I had done nothing yet!

 

[Craptain]

Well said. Nothing more to add.

Sent from my LG-D801 using Tapatalk

 

[BUGTHUG]

That's some good lookin wood

 

[oldironfarmer]

Well put, Bobby. Thanks for the imparted wisdom.

I've told many people "my only regret is that I can't be at my sale".

Those that reply "sure you can" don't grasp it. I might wean and winnow but will not willingly sell out. I don't plan on ever getting that old.

Reminds me of one of my favorite sayings: "A really good vacation is when you call home and say sell out, we're not coming back!".

 

[oldironfarmer]

That's some good lookin wood

Really nice lumber, straight, and the No. 2 and better has lots marked No. 1. I didn't know that really existed! And, had I not known you guys would be looking in, I might not have stacked it so neatly

You positively have a difficult task to do.

Good fortunes with your shop..!

A debt of gratitude is in order for your post.

Oh no, I have an easy task:

1. No outside interference
2. Plenty of time, no dictated schedule by my job or a lender
3. Adequate funds
4. Encouragement by fine folks like yourself
5. The dream of having my shop cleaned and an efficient place in which to work
6. Youth and energy (I do Zumba twice a week regardless of how tired I am)

Thanks for your visit, kind words, and well wishes, but I can never repay the debt of gratitude.

 

[Extremerecluse]

Your problem is the need for vertical envelopement. What I am talking about are racks and or shelving. You can buy shelving that you can put together like an erectile set or just fabricate them. You have made a massive investment in your 60 x 60 out building. Why not make another small investment? Wish I had your problem

 

[Ajustable]

Ok I'm on page 2, and I see allot of stuff. The piece of stuff I really like, is the broom machine. The Allis Chambers are darn cool to.
Grampa use to make brooms by hand using willow branches. He'd sell em at the market in spring. That was years back, prewar and I never did get to watch em or help. The thought of making brooms has facinated me ever since my Dad told me the story..

So im signed up for updates, just gotta read 16 more pages to catch up.

 

[1/2 Cup]

Andy, done well, progress and no injuries..

Bobby, beautifully articulated...

Regards

 

[TIMI]

oldironfarmer

You've never been to a small American farm.

Over time, I will correct this error..

I've been in the last photo, noticed the fashionable rubber (wheels) on the truck. It has massively prodaestsya or only for military and special equipment. And if not a secret how much it costs.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Your problem is the need for vertical envelopement. What I am talking about are racks and or shelving. You can buy shelving that you can put together like an erectile set or just fabricate them. You have made a massive investment in your 60 x 60 out building. Why not make another small investment? Wish I had your problem

I've never found a very good deal on racks, and they are quite pricey if you don't find what is surplus to someone else.

I have made 30 ft of shelving in my mezzanine and certainly plan to make more. Thanks for the comments But what is an "erectile set'?

Ok I'm on page 2, and I see allot of stuff. The piece of stuff I really like, is the broom machine. The Allis Chambers are darn cool to.
Grampa use to make brooms by hand using willow branches. He'd sell em at the market in spring. That was years back, prewar and I never did get to watch em or help. The thought of making brooms has fascinated me ever since my Dad told me the story..

So im signed up for updates, just gotta read 16 more pages to catch up.

Thanks for visit! I make brooms because I have a broom machine Neat that your Grampa made willow brooms

Andy, done well, progress and no injuries..

Bobby, beautifully articulated...

Regards

Bobby uses his hands and words with equal skill!

Over time, I will correct this error..

I've been in the last photo, noticed the fashionable rubber (wheels) on the truck. It has massively prodaestsya or only for military and special equipment. And if not a secret how much it costs.

When you make it to America I'm sure there will be many small farmers who would enjoy having a visit, me included.

If I understand you, you are looking at the tires on my skid steer. Those are solid tires (so no flats) with many holes to provide a suspension. I think they are about $500-$700 each. Mine came with the tires.