Above 1200 Sq/FT Cleaning Up My Shop

[dlcwent]

Coming together You're about done. Mark beat me to it, but I had a great laugh at your SIL's little saying. I can imagine the look on others faces when he says it. "And three of my mothers"

You're (I believe a little older than I am) making me feel like a slacker when I see all you get done. I guess I'd better step up my game.

 

[Terrick down Under]

That's not fair guys, not all nomads are in caravans, we are part time apprentice nomads, so we use our slide on ( truck camper). No rego.


We try to get away as much as possible, but it is hard to shirk responsibility, the kids catch us out.

 

[Grumblebum]

Another week Andy and you will be done, looks great. Can't wait to see the first occupant go in.

Cheers GB.

 

[Craptain]

Hey Andy. Less of the "desperate" people. I choose a mobile home for convenience, location and cost. I could have a regular home but why spend money for a place I spend so little time. My shop is a much better place to spend time than in front of a tv when I am not at sea.
Having said that I look forward to retirement and will be looking for a better (bigger) option though not the space that you have.

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[BUGTHUG]

They are also called Tornado Magnets. It seems every storm with high wind, and tornado's ALWAYS hits a trailer park. Usually all you see when the news truck is interviewing the home owner is pieces of insulation and roof metal, and washing machines. The home owner will give a brief rerun of what happened. They start off with " well I was standing in the door way and I heard this rumbling sound like a freight train" "My ears started poppin and all this stuff started flyin around" I yelled at my girlfriend " Ethyl, we gotta get down in the hidey hole". ( arms waving in the air the whole time) We came out of the hole and this is alls that left, we lost everything"
(news reporter) How does it feel to lose everything??

 

[-Brent-]

The addition is coming along well.

 

[Guster]

Andy:
You are a machine!

Last week you left us with 'pad envy' but not for long because by next week we'll already be envious of all the extra shop-space at this rate.

which is the collective name given to the herds of retiree's that move slowly (especially when they are on the road) around the country clogging up caravan parks and roads all over the country.....

Should have added how they all eventually and naturally head to Coolangatta which is also referred to as Australia's Florida and 'God's waiting room' by locals.

 

[BBChevro]

They are also called Tornado Magnets. It seems every storm with high wind, and tornado's ALWAYS hits a trailer park. Usually all you see when the news truck is interviewing the home owner is pieces of insulation and roof metal, and washing machines. The home owner will give a brief rerun of what happened. They start off with " well I was standing in the door way and I heard this rumbling sound like a freight train" "My ears started poppin and all this stuff started flyin around" I yelled at my girlfriend " Ethyl, we gotta get down in the hidey hole". ( arms waving in the air the whole time) We came out of the hole and this is alls that left, we lost everything"
(news reporter) How does it feel to lose everything??

I'm sure I've seen that exact news footage.

That's not fair guys, not all nomads are in caravans, we are part time apprentice nomads, so we use our slide on ( truck camper). No rego.


We try to get away as much as possible, but it is hard to shirk responsibility, the kids catch us out.

I liked your set-up when I first saw it (in your thread) Terrick.

I also thought that when you finish your Nomad, you could paint it grey and be the grey nomad in the grey Nomad.



I also like the idea of a motor home or a converted bus, like the one my FIL built...

(I thought that I would have had pics of it on my phone, but I had to grab a snip from the background of a video)...

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We're still hi-jacking your thread here Andy, sorry about that.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Hey Lyndon, I'm sure that you would have seen some in your travels...

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They do have wheels on them but require a wide-load permit to shift them (they are about 10' wide - a couple of feet wider than what is allowed on our roads).

They are not very common these days.

Bingo! That looks just like old time trailer houses of the States. Thanks for the addition.

Andy

Yes, Grey Nomads live in their caravans while they tour the country, doing the famous "Big Lap" (which can be for 6 months, a year or ongoing indefinitely - until they slow down so much that they need a nursing home). I have heard of many people in their late 80's and 90's that live on the road like this. We have Caravan Parks all over the country, normally next to the beach.

Most of these parks also have cabins and powered and un-powered sites so they cater to campers (in tents), caravans and families that have neither but want a nice place to stay.

And for building sites etc, we have "portable buildings", or what the Kiwis call "Dongers" . The company that I work for actually has an Engineering and Manufacturing side that makes these buildings for many companies in Sydney. http://multiquip.com.au/divisions/engineering/

And yes Mark they are normally oversize, so we either use our Tilt Tray or one of our low loaders to deliver them. They don't need permits any more, but the trucks must be marked up as "Oversize" loads, and have flags, signs and lights as per the HVNL (Heavy Vehicle National Law - NSW Schedules).

Lyndon
Hope that helps...

Very interesting account, thanks! Interesting company, by the way.

I'd forgotten about that - I don't carry any loads these days (on the odd occasion that I have to drive a truck now, it's usually bob-tail).

I heard a rumour that trucks have rubber tyres now too.

Trucks had rubber tires (watch your spelling, it makes you look like a foreigner but I'm sure you're at home.) when I started, but now at least some of them have air inside and I don't think they have the big chains anymore.

Sorry Andy, I hope that you don't mind if we talk amongst ourselves here.

Hey, your conversations are much more interesting than my feeble attempt to add on to my shed in my old age. Glad to have you blokes here. I'll tell you about my pub experience in Sydney sometime.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Looking good.

Thanks for stopping by, and thanks especially for the comment. I showed it to my wife and she said she hadn't noticed my looking good

That is such a nice addition to your shop! I also love the ramp formed into the concrete under where the door is going to be. when I asked my concrete guys to do that on a pad I was pouring several years ago, they looked at me like I was nuts!

It will soon be another dry space you'll have to spend some QST!!!

Cheers!

Thanks for stopping in. The ramps were a complete surprise to me. I planned to put in a 1" deep by 2" wide blockout to the form in the door locations. The concrete-heifer-buyer-guy said "no, we'll handle it." OK, but I was skeptical, they did nothing until the pour was done, then went about digging a little trench right in front of each door. Looked pretty sad. I was not real happy but I held my tongue for probably the first time in my life. Then they started troweling them out, a lot wider than I had wanted. Still holding my tongue, thinking "I can live with this" but when they were finished voila! (or is it viola?) where the door seal will set is just at the top of the slope and we have a great drive ramp. Don't you hate it when those you hire don't listen to you? I think it's called craftsmanship.

Coming together You're about done. Mark beat me to it, but I had a great laugh at your SIL's little saying. I can imagine the look on others faces when he says it. "And three of my mothers"

You're (I believe a little older than I am) making me feel like a slacker when I see all you get done. I guess I'd better step up my game.

OK, buster, I'm just a kid trying to act grown up. Who's calling me old After my trip to see Bobby (thanks Bobby) I've been telling everyone we had a great trip, no grownups along, so me and my little grandson ate all the junk food we wanted.

I'm just trying to keep up, and my SIL, older than me, is staying right with me, although he's having trouble with blackouts and I have to make him stay off ladders.

Today we put a header in, he's cutting and handing up to me on the scaffold, and I said we need a couple of cripples. He said "besides us?"

That's not fair guys, not all nomads are in caravans, we are part time apprentice nomads, so we use our slide on ( truck camper). No rego.


We try to get away as much as possible, but it is hard to shirk responsibility, the kids catch us out.

Part Time Apprentice Nomads

Another week Andy and you will be done, looks great. Can't wait to see the first occupant go in.

Cheers GB.

You're more optimistic than I am, but I'm ready Still have to do metal, sheetrock, trim, painting, wiring (in that order, I'm a surface wiring guy, you know). And, I've got an unexpected three day trip next week

Got to run to Zumba now, I'll post today's minimal progress later tonight

Thanks for all the visits guys!!

 

[oldironfarmer]

Hey Andy. Less of the "desperate" people. I choose a mobile home for convenience, location and cost. I could have a regular home but why spend money for a place I spend so little time. My shop is a much better place to spend time than in front of a tv when I am not at sea.
Having said that I look forward to retirement and will be looking for a better (bigger) option though not the space that you have.

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Boy oh boy, I hope I didn't offend you When I said "desperate people living in caravans" I was referring to those living in small travel trailers, the $500 variety, 7x16 or so. Around here that is often a home of last resort.

A real mobile home, double wide, or triple wide are excellent housing as you know. 2x6 walls, good insulation, etc they are far above the "trailers" with louver windows of fifty years ago. I remember when they used to come fully furnished with some of the worst furniture you could buy, and had friends who would buy a new one, with furniture, every five years. They loved getting everything new with no hassle. I would never have criticized them for that.

A modern mobile home, or manufactured home, is as you say, great value and very quick from decision to move-in. The change of description, and name from trailer, to mobile, to manufactured is marketing ploy. The improvements would have been the same regardless of what the house is called. I never minded living in a trailer house, and was somewhat proud of the trailer trash designation - for the reason I mentioned before, those who call people by names like that are the ones with the real problem. So if you call me trailer trash I assume you don't have much self confidence and are embarrassed with your accomplishments and think it will improve you by attempting to degrade me. In the same vein, I don't mind being called an engineer

They are also called Tornado Magnets. It seems every storm with high wind, and tornado's ALWAYS hits a trailer park. Usually all you see when the news truck is interviewing the home owner is pieces of insulation and roof metal, and washing machines. The home owner will give a brief rerun of what happened. They start off with " well I was standing in the door way and I heard this rumbling sound like a freight train" "My ears started poppin and all this stuff started flyin around" I yelled at my girlfriend " Ethyl, we gotta get down in the hidey hole". ( arms waving in the air the whole time) We came out of the hole and this is alls that left, we lost everything"
(news reporter) How does it feel to lose everything??

Yep, but the main reason tornadoes hit trailers is because there are so many trailers scattered all over It always amuses me when a record breaking event has occurred and the interviewee says "I've never seen anything like it" Well, my good fellow, of all the people in the world, we really thought you would have previously experienced this record breaking event

The addition is coming along well.

Thank you very much

Andy:
You are a machine!

Is that because you know I'm a mechanical engineer? We're just like people, you know, and have feelings too Just because we're engineers and have no personality and don't realize it is no reason... (where was I going with this?)

Last week you left us with 'pad envy' but not for long because by next week we'll already be envious of all the extra shop-space at this rate.

I like pad envy, it just sounds ****.

Should have added how they all eventually and naturally head to Coolangatta which is also referred to as Australia's Florida and 'God's waiting room' by locals.

That made me laugh out loud. Thanks! Not sure I want to be in the waiting room, although I guess we all have a terminal condition, life. We have a song "I want to go to Heaven, just don't want to go tonight". Heard a guy the other day say "I'm 84, the only people who want to be 84 are 83". How true!

Hey all! I love it when y'all stop by for a visit, and leaving a mark on the wall is even better! When you leave a mark on the wall, I know you stopped by! Thanks for the comments!

 

[oldironfarmer]

We're still hi-jacking your thread here Andy, sorry about that.

It is an honor to be hijacked by such high class-crooks.

It's like coming home and finding your friends having a party at your house. Who wouldn't like that?

If you guys write all over my walls and we run out of space, I'll just repaint.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Great day in the shed!

(Technically, that is English, and not Aussieism since in real English [like we speak in the US] a shed is typically a lean to addition to a barn, and my upgrade and addition are sheds off my shop)

Now that I've pissed off half my friends, it was cool this morning! Great to work in the cool but I got sidetracked. My cows were needing their fall worming (it knocks all the flies off them for a month, and the flies had gotten bad) so after turning my heifers in with the herd I had left the gates open to a little field next to the barn which has fresh grass. I knew eventually they would go in there (gate had been closed, now it's open, HA!, he made a mistake and we can sneak in) and this morning there they were, except three or four (low stress cattle handling is best, like how smart women handle their husbands, and the husbands don't even know they're being worked). So I hurried out and shut the gates, then put a little feed out and called and the remaining came running in to be fed (first time since April, but they remember). Shut them in and my SIL shows up. He's an old ranch hand, so he climbs a gate to help get them all into a small pen. It's so nice to work with someone that's better than you, no instructions are necessary, and with the cows, if you don't talk things go better anyway. Got them all wormed (Ivomec), weaned three big heifers (cows are fat so we left the steers with their mommas but don't want the heifers bred), tagged two new calves, and let the herd back out. A little cowboying on a cool morning is refreshing (and nobody got kicked). Too much flying manure and concentration on the cows to take pictures but here they are just before we started them through the barn to work them.

You can tell they're pretty excitable.

The corral and working pens are under the shed roof on the right, the left is hay storage (it holds 2,000 square bales but only about 300 in there now) and the normal domicile for my Bobcat and it's attachments.

Today, after the late start, we got the nailers up behind the OSB we put up yesterday (top right of picture), nailers in the gable area, the wall up between the foundry room and the paint booth, and the headers over the two walk through doors. (I've heard them called man doors, but women use them too).

The angle wall is for access to the foundry room without going through the paint booth. The loose boards on the floor are the bottom plate for the side of the paint booth. The paint booth is going to be 13 ft inside, which leaves two feet between the paint booth wall and the barn columns. The plan is to have benches and shelving in that area, facing the 12 ft high room on the right.

Here's a view of the doorway into the foundry room. I'm excited about having a room for foundry work and eager to start casting metal. My plan is to cast machine parts and old car parts, not belt buckles, but who knows

I pick up my metal tomorrow

Although I aspire to 1/2 Cup's level of quality, I fully expect to screw up my siding

And screw down my roofing

Blowin' and goin', I love making progress!!!

 

[slimpickins]

Nice looking herd you've got there!

I'm looking forward to see the progress on the shed too!

Cheers!

 

[Craptain]

Andy. No offense taken. I was posting from my phone that does not have access to the little emoticons that convey humor.

Great progress you are making with the addition. That is something that would take me a year or two to finish. If I ever finished. I have a bad habit of using things as sooon as they are usable and not waiting for them to be properly finished. Then once they are in use it is hard or impossible to finish.

 

[Guster]

Is that because you know I'm a mechanical engineer?

Like a machine... relentless, non-stop progress. Well not quite, but almost. Putting us young(er) fellas to shame at this rate anyway.

Anyway... what's wrong with being a mechanical engineer... electrical engineer... software engineer. Good pay for brain-sweat and a little labour on the side - we could do much worse than being able to think for ourselves along with ample can-do. Even Zumba.

 

[dlcwent]

(I've heard them called man doors, but women use them too).

That's me getting rid of some more coffee all over my laptop.

Between Bob H, Guster and you Andy, if you three were all in the same room, comedy central would have a new hit show.

You do have a nice looking herd there. Do you have other animals that you raise?

 

[neilc]

We just put up a farm shop - metal building. The crew drilled the roof and siding pieces stacked on the ground so the holes all lined up for the screws. A nice touch you might think about...

Progress is looking great!

Neil

 

[jbmatth]

Looking great, it is amazing that cattle always seem to find their way to an open gate or down fence. I too take it as a complement when someone call me an engineer, whether that is meant in a negative way or not it doesn't bother me. Better that than being called homeless or a bum. Now if I didn't have a job I could always move out to the river and live in tent.
JB

 

[wasfast]

What were your plans for intake/exhaust for the booth?

 

[Bob Heine]

Hey all! I love it when y'all stop by for a visit, and leaving a mark on the wall is even better! When you leave a mark on the wall, I know you stopped by! Thanks for the comments!

Andy, just stopping by to mark the wall...

Too much flying manure and concentration on the cows to take pictures but here they are just before we started them through the barn to work them.

Blowin' and goin', I love making progress!!!

Andy, although I didn't grow up on a farm I spent some time at the farm down the road from my grandparents in Vermont. I was only 6 or 8 years old but I clearly remember hating getting dog poop on my shoes but joyfully jumping up and down barefoot in fresh cow pies. I wore shoes at home with my parents but took them off along with my shirt when I arrived in Vermont for the summer. I think it was partly because my grandmother hand-washed everything and I hated seeing her scrubbing my dirty clothes on a washboard. I did have to dress up for church on Sunday but if I was careful the clothes would be wearable for two or three Sundays.

I'm lovin' the progress on the shed and 13 feet is a great width for a paint booth from everything I've read.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Nice looking herd you've got there!

I'm looking forward to see the progress on the shed too!

Cheers!

Thanks, my herd is down to 20 mommas from 105 a few years ago. 20 is about all my home quarter will handle. I like not having to travel to feed in bad weather. Guess I'm getting lazy

Andy. No offense taken. I was posting from my phone that does not have access to the little emoticons that convey humor.

Great progress you are making with the addition. That is something that would take me a year or two to finish. If I ever finished. I have a bad habit of using things as sooon as they are usable and not waiting for them to be properly finished. Then once they are in use it is hard or impossible to finish.

Glad to hear we are OK on the trailer thing! I also have the same habit of putting things into service as soon as possible, windows in my shop with no sills, etc. With this build and cleanup I have committed to finishing things up and hope the folks here will hold me to it

Like a machine... relentless, non-stop progress. Well not quite, but almost. Putting us young(er) fellas to shame at this rate anyway.

Anyway... what's wrong with being a mechanical engineer... electrical engineer... software engineer. Good pay for brain-sweat and a little labour on the side - we could do much worse than being able to think for ourselves along with ample can-do. Even Zumba.

Engineers typically need no ego boost, especially those with a little common sense. However, I have a lot of sympathy for the crafts who have to put up with an engineer with no practical knowledge showing up, gumming up the works, and then disappearing when the problem actually gets solved. So, I like to make fun of engineers. If they can't handle it, they need to get more realistic about what is really important in life.

Short example: my first job, walked to work at 15 to a filling station. Boss found out I could do repairs which was fine with me. One Saturday morning I was putting the carburetor back on a lawn mower. Carb was away from the door. Boss shows up at the door with the customer, boss comes over and says "let me help you". Twists off one of the bolts. Customer doesn't know. Boss says "you can finish it from here" and they both leave. I finished it. Most working people have had that kind of experience with an engineer.

Engineering is a great profession, but engineers with little common sense seem to be the majority. I spent lots of years in management and actually enjoyed dressing down "holier than thou" engineers who thought I was just dumb management without a clue. A manager with a P.E. license who can pass an x-ray welding test

OK, one more, I was running maintenance in a refinery, had an issue with a high pressure reactor vessel. Experts came from back east, meeting with the engineers and operations guys. I showed up a little late, I'm new with the company and don't know any of those guys. I wear Nomex full time like the supervisors who work for me. Me and my foreman over the area are the only guys in working clothes. They have a discussion, back and forth a little, chief engineer, 30 year man, says "what do we do, Andy?" He knows I have a background in ASME Section VIII, I tell him what I advise, the guys from Philadelphia start to tear apart my position, and the chief engineer, who called them in for their advice, says "no, if Andy wants to do that, that's what we'll do." I was late for my next meeting so I excused myself and was loving that the experts couldn't think a guy in working clothes could know enough to make a technical decision.

(I've heard them called man doors, but women use them too).

That's me getting rid of some more coffee all over my laptop.

Between Bob H, Guster and you Andy, if you three were all in the same room, comedy central would have a new hit show.

You do have a nice looking herd there. Do you have other animals that you raise?

Boy oh boy are you going to make Bob H. and Guster mad. Maybe they won't happen along until this is buried.

Cattle are about it, although we have lots of livestock we don't keep for profit: copperheads, skunks, raccoons, possums, ticks, chiggers

But, no horses. I'm scared of horses. I'm afraid they will take all my money.

Thanks for writing on the wall, guys!

I'm looking for paint. Clean up this mess...

 

[oldironfarmer]

We just put up a farm shop - metal building. The crew drilled the roof and siding pieces stacked on the ground so the holes all lined up for the screws. A nice touch you might think about...

Progress is looking great!

Neil

That's an idea, but you are mistaking me for a craftsman. I'd have holes where I put the purlins up crooked.

Actually, steel on steel predrilling makes sense. Prefabbed purlins should all be in the right place.

With my wood frame, the screws tap the metal fairly easily and then go right in to the wood. The slowest part is getting a fresh screw on the drill. And although I try to get everything lined up, it is a shed and if it will hold the metal down the actual location of each purlin is not critical. I've built several barns and the roofs sure go on quickly.

Thanks for stopping by.

Looking great, it is amazing that cattle always seem to find their way to an open gate or down fence. I too take it as a complement when someone call me an engineer, whether that is meant in a negative way or not it doesn't bother me. Better that than being called homeless or a bum. Now if I didn't have a job I could always move out to the river and live in tent.
JB

I guess when I'm called an engineer in a derogatory way I like to wait until I can demonstrate that I am competent in the name caller's field. Like showing the welders how to put in a heliarc root bead by feeding the wire from the top and walking the cup around the groove. Gained a lot of respect from the welders who didn't know you could to that. Of course, they didn't know only because they had never seen it or been taught it. None of us know everything

OK, another story. Had a very smart Chemical engineer peer. ***** (notice capital P) We were both working all night drying out a reactor with dry nitrogen. Too important for me and him to not be there to get the unit back online. He comes screaming at me at 2:00 AM "You're out of nitrogen!". I ask how he knows that, he says no ice on the piping. I calmly ask if we still have pressure on the nine-pack trailer. Yes. Then I ask whether nitrogen is one of those gasses that can exhibit a reverse Joule-Thompson coefficient. He says What? I ask whether he has an N2 Mollier Diagram. Of course. So we look at it, sure enough it has the reverse curve on the left side, I plot the pressures, and sure enough, where we were at, N2 warms on expansion. GOTCHA! Got the opportunity to tell him, while he was embarrassed that there was a corner of ChemE that I knew that he didn't, "You're a very smart guy, but you're not the only one, there are lots of us, and some are not even engineers, so respect every person you deal with, life will be easier".

 

[oldironfarmer]

What were your plans for intake/exhaust for the booth?

I'm feeling my way here and would love suggestions. I was planning on filters on the top of the doors at the back, then a false wall at the front with filters on the bottom part to try to draw mist from the lower part of the room, then a non-sparking exhaust fan through weather resistant louvers to the outside. I don't think I have any codes to comply with, but think it is in poor taste to discharge wet paint outside onto my wall. You know cows, they look, they ponder, then they murmur. a few weeks and it'd be all over the pasture.

Hadn't really thought about flow rate yet, or whether my building will be tight enough to require makeup air.

I'm just like a bowl of corn on the cob, all ears!

Andy, just stopping by to mark the wall...

Andy, although I didn't grow up on a farm I spent some time at the farm down the road from my grandparents in Vermont. I was only 6 or 8 years old but I clearly remember hating getting dog poop on my shoes but joyfully jumping up and down barefoot in fresh cow pies. I wore shoes at home with my parents but took them off along with my shirt when I arrived in Vermont for the summer. I think it was partly because my grandmother hand-washed everything and I hated seeing her scrubbing my dirty clothes on a washboard. I did have to dress up for church on Sunday but if I was careful the clothes would be wearable for two or three Sundays.

I'm lovin' the progress on the shed and 13 feet is a great width for a paint booth from everything I've read.

I appreciate your smearing joy on my canvas.

I was born on a farm, but we left when I was three, so I didn't really grow up on a farm either. Come to think of it, maybe I didn't really grow up. Hmmm... Oh well, too late now!!

Really really really fresh cow sh!t, coming right out, is as bad as human feces. But a little time on the ground it is just downright nice. If you've worked cows you've had it splashed in your mouth. It was a little muddy inside the corral, and we got our feet pretty gummed up, then went to the shop and started climbing the ladders. Oh, yeah, wipe feet.

I wormed my SIL (spray on). He thanked me. Said the ticks would stay off for a few weeks.

Thanks for the width confirmation, I nailed the wall down today. Air nailers in green concrete, who'd a thunk?

Come around anytime, I'll just leave the door open, you know where the light switch is. I keep the steaks frozen.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Andy, just stopping by to mark the wall...

HEY!! I just realized that was a one handed comment

 

[oldironfarmer]

Another day, another mistake! I called down from the ladder for my SIL to cut a 22" 2x6. He couldn't find a scrap and asked should he use an 8 ft. I said yeah. Then I realized I needed to add 1-1/2", so cut one 23-1/2". Then I nailed it on wrong and split it getting it back off (only had six nails in it). So he cut another one. I observed to him it was good he started with a full 8 footer because it looked like we would need it all. He respectfully agreed.

Got the 12 ft overhead door trimmed out today, and the last wall up for the paint booth. I'm really liking having a place to paint.

SIL's new stray came and stayed all day. He's been stealing drops and chewing on them.

He's only been around about a week. Very skittish at first. Tried to help with the cows but that wasn't working so SIL twisted an ear and told him to sit. He sat and watched until we were done (and we're old and slow).

Then he got interested in an old piece of gas line (I use it for buried conduit), must have been a mouse in it, he was trying to chew off the end.

Then I went and picked up my metal

Stopped at Lowe's on the way home and noticed they had not given me all of my order, and had given me part of another order. (and they weren't even engineers!) I could have checked better, they were embarrassed, and it wound up taking all afternoon. But it is safely home so tomorrow I expect to be putting tin down instead of putting engineers down.

I'll get back on engineers later, so much material, so little time.

 

[Bob Heine]

HEY!! I just realized that was a one handed comment

I was letting the monkey give a left-handed comment (not in my repertoire).

 

[Bob Heine]

While I'm here Andy, I think Dan might be right about you, me and Guster in the same room but I for one would turn down the offer. I am not yet incontinent but it wouldn't take an hour in a room with you two for that to change. And that's assuming a drink and keyboard-free room!

 

[Guster]

Engineers typically need no ego boost, especially those with a little common sense. However, I have a lot of sympathy for the crafts who have to put up with an engineer with no practical knowledge showing up, gumming up the works, and then disappearing when the problem actually gets solved. So, I like to make fun of engineers. If they can't handle it, they need to get more realistic about what is really important in life.

Ah right... that kind of engineer!

In that case I would never be so low as to call anyone one of those unless they are fully 'qualified'. I also had my run-ins with a few of those in various industries and know exactly what you mean. We call them management material. That they are so terrible at what they do that you hope they are promoted to managerial positions away from the works. Same concept in the military too with 'officer material' I guess.

I actually started my studies in engineering. I grew up fabricating and spent holidays working in factories for extra income. Went to a technical high school with electronics as one of my majors. Had a lot of working knowledge and aptitude so it was a good fit. Then to see lecturers promoting that steel should preferably not be machined or welded as it weakens material. We don't need to learn about rivets as they aren't used anymore etc. List was endless and where I could see it had some truth in the right context the sheer broad rejection of things on face value rather than their design specific elements was ludicrous.

They were creating an army of robots who could quote books accurately but fail to comprehend basic engineering and design principles. The drafting and design classes really highlighted this with students designing things that couldn't be built. You could not even call them a paper-and-pen engineers. Not their fault though... the sausage-factory was merely turning out mindless drones to meet demand.

A year in I could not see myself there anymore and changed to computer sciences. The industry was changing anyway and too many engineers in office jobs. My dad believed it was a grave mistake - he looked up to engineers and architects you see.

Strangely I still had access to the faculty labs and workshops even after changing major. Made some pocket money helping students build stuff. I wonder sometimes if I aided or abetted the system. Helped the poor guy who couldn't figure out a milling machine get his A or perhaps gave him some real life insight to how things work that would help him the rest of his life.

Saying that I know some great engineers. Some I learnt much from. You can usually spot them as the guys who ask more questions than give orders or make demands. They also spend more time on the factory floor than in their offices.

As for putting Andy, Bob and me in a room... a fully fitted workshop. Might be fun. I'm always up for learning from some journeymen and the conversations would be entertaining!

 

[oldironfarmer]

I was letting the monkey give a left-handed comment (not in my repertoire).

I did say "one handed comment"...

While I'm here Andy, I think Dan might be right about you, me and Guster in the same room but I for one would turn down the offer. I am not yet incontinent but it wouldn't take an hour in a room with you two for that to change. And that's assuming a drink and keyboard-free room!

LOL, LMAO, ROFLMAO!

Are you saying a meeting could be a blast? A real blowout?

OK, you said you would need a drink and no keyboard

I appreciate your visits. Sorry if I got a little long winded on your thread

Got to find that paint, my wall is getting written all over

Ah right... that kind of engineer!

In that case I would never be so low as to call anyone one of those unless they are fully 'qualified'. I also had my run-ins with a few of those in various industries and know exactly what you mean. We call them management material. That they are so terrible at what they do that you hope they are promoted to managerial positions away from the works. Same concept in the military too with 'officer material' I guess.

I actually started my studies in engineering. I grew up fabricating and spent holidays working in factories for extra income. Went to a technical high school with electronics as one of my majors. Had a lot of working knowledge and aptitude so it was a good fit. Then to see lecturers promoting that steel should preferably not be machined or welded as it weakens material. We don't need to learn about rivets as they aren't used anymore etc. List was endless and where I could see it had some truth in the right context the sheer broad rejection of things on face value rather than their design specific elements was ludicrous.

They were creating an army of robots who could quote books accurately but fail to comprehend basic engineering and design principles. The drafting and design classes really highlighted this with students designing things that couldn't be built. You could not even call them a paper-and-pen engineers. Not their fault though... the sausage-factory was merely turning out mindless drones to meet demand.

A year in I could not see myself there anymore and changed to computer sciences. The industry was changing anyway and too many engineers in office jobs. My dad believed it was a grave mistake - he looked up to engineers and architects you see.

Strangely I still had access to the faculty labs and workshops even after changing major. Made some pocket money helping students build stuff. I wonder sometimes if I aided or abetted the system. Helped the poor guy who couldn't figure out a milling machine get his A or perhaps gave him some real life insight to how things work that would help him the rest of his life.

Saying that I know some great engineers. Some I learnt much from. You can usually spot them as the guys who ask more questions than give orders or make demands. They also spend more time on the factory floor than in their offices.

As for putting Andy, Bob and me in a room... a fully fitted workshop. Might be fun. I'm always up for learning from some journeymen and the conversations would be entertaining!

I'm honored to be considered to be part of such an esteemed group

Your discussion reminds me of why Scott Adams is so rich. That's because Dilbert resonates with all organizations, governmental, industrial, educational, you name it!

So why can't I find your thread? I guess I'm incontinent (or is it incompetent?) I always have trouble with big words. I was having foot trouble so I called a pediatrician, they said I was too old so I called a *********, that didn't go well. finally asked someone and called a podiatrist. Big words, whew!

I used to think I was a good engineer, now I'm not so sure. I like farming better.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Just had a pretty good day today.

Got out early. Checked on the calves we weaned and fed them, beautiful sunrise!

and put up the first roof panel. It was oily and dew was running down onto it from the existing roof. SLICK!!

I was crawling around like a two year old on stairs.

My limited maturity set in and I put 2x6's up on the ceiling joists to walk on. SIL showed up and we got 1/3 of the roof done by the time he had to leave at 10:30.

WOW! It's great to finally get a roof!

I had to get OSB to deck the walls with (OSB under the metal gives a little insulation, helps avoid damage from impact, and makes it harder to break into the building with a screw gun. Lumber yard closes at noon, and this is a three day weekend in the US (Labor Day) so I headed to the lumber yard, pharmacy, and grocery. A guy at the lumber yard is going to hang my sheetrock (I know, I could do that, even have a panel jack, but I DON'T WANT TO, SO GET OFF MY BACK) I told him to save me a spot in early October. Now, if I can find someone to install the insulation Started again at 3:00 and SIL made it back at 4:00. We quit at 5:30 with 2/3 of the roof on. I was disappointed we didn't finish, weather was perfect and we had shade, but he had a commitment and I was beat. Way too tired to work safely alone and I have decided I want to stay healthy enough to use the shop when I get it done.

We should be able to finish up in a couple of hours Monday morning.

 

[1/2 Cup]

Andy, that's not a bad days work

I noticed how you screw fixed your sheets of iron down, out here we generally use longer screws and fix them through the ridge. Do your screws have neoprene washers under the heads??

Regards

 

[Guster]

I'm honored to be considered to be part of such an esteemed group

Your discussion reminds me of why Scott Adams is so rich. That's because Dilbert resonates with all organizations, governmental, industrial, educational, you name it!

So why can't I find your thread? I guess I'm incontinent (or is it incompetent?) I always have trouble with big words. I was having foot trouble so I called a pediatrician, they said I was too old so I called a *********, that didn't go well. finally asked someone and called a podiatrist. Big words, whew!

I used to think I was a good engineer, now I'm not so sure. I like farming better.

I think we all feel the same… probably why I’m sitting here rather than facebook.

Big words… all get like that some days. Don’t think our brains are big enough for it all despite what specialists say. Especially once you enjoy a little diversity in life. Sure a person who specialises in language might be exceptional but I want to see him clad a shed, fix a machine and remember the brand of cattle dose and volume by weight to administer it and still keep up the good banter. I used to be an extremely organised person. Knew the name for everything too. Unfortunately I’m always learning so things have to make room for new things and family takes up a good part of the mental clutter. What nobody tells you is that something has to give and we never get a choice about it. Either way I’d rather have it messy and cluttered than mindlessly chasing after Pokemon.

I always believed Scott Adams worked in my office. There was always an issue that was right on the money for the theme of the week. Bob would probably say that he was a lifelong colleague at IBM too. Like you say he has an insight that spans industries. Same reason I was such a fan of Bill Waterson. Appreciate it even more now as a parent than I did as a kid.

I have a thread? 4th offer I’ve had this week. DLC got me good over on general. I think there is a little hint at one brewing over on Lyndon’s, Bob’s. I’ll share my messes soon enough. There is plenty of it to go around.

Now back to the regular: - Great progress on the roof!

 

[Craptain]

Andy, that's not a bad days work

I noticed how you screw fixed your sheets of iron down, out here we generally use longer screws and fix them through the ridge. Do your screws have neoprene washers under the heads??

Regards

I was thinking the same thing. But I have never used that style of roofing.

Not sure if that is great minds thinking alike or a couple of dumb asses who don't know ****.

 

[Terrick down Under]

I am worn out just looking at your progress, we have had rain here for 3 days so I have only got 3 hours work done on my place. It has however given me time to read thru a lot of threads that have eluded me for a while.
Your place is coming along really nicely, I , like 1/2, was wondering about the screws holding the roof sheets on as well.
Like I have said before, everyone is different, that is what makes it so interesting.

 

[BBChevro]

Hey Andy, I hope that the earthquake wasn't too close to you.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Andy, that's not a bad days work

I noticed how you screw fixed your sheets of iron down, out here we generally use longer screws and fix them through the ridge. Do your screws have neoprene washers under the heads??

Regards

Well, thank you. I don't think we did too good, but getting the new tin under the end of the old tin was tough, that slowed us down. And my SIL kept saying, "this wasn't near this hard 14 years ago" (when we built his shop (Shed). Older is slower, dagnabit!!

Old corrugated we always nailed on the high points. Original shop metal is nailed with neoprene washers under the nail heads on the high points. Screws with neoprene washers work well on the flats, and hold the metal more securely. On the flat is the recommended for this metal design. And it is MUCH easier!

I think we all feel the same… probably why I’m sitting here rather than facebook.

Big words… all get like that some days. Don’t think our brains are big enough for it all despite what specialists say. Especially once you enjoy a little diversity in life. Sure a person who specialises in language might be exceptional but I want to see him clad a shed, fix a machine and remember the brand of cattle dose and volume by weight to administer it and still keep up the good banter. I used to be an extremely organised person. Knew the name for everything too. Unfortunately I’m always learning so things have to make room for new things and family takes up a good part of the mental clutter. What nobody tells you is that something has to give and we never get a choice about it. Either way I’d rather have it messy and cluttered than mindlessly chasing after Pokemon.

I always believed Scott Adams worked in my office. There was always an issue that was right on the money for the theme of the week. Bob would probably say that he was a lifelong colleague at IBM too. Like you say he has an insight that spans industries. Same reason I was such a fan of Bill Waterson. Appreciate it even more now as a parent than I did as a kid.

I have a thread? 4th offer I’ve had this week. DLC got me good over on general. I think there is a little hint at one brewing over on Lyndon’s, Bob’s. I’ll share my messes soon enough. There is plenty of it to go around.

Now back to the regular: - Great progress on the roof!

Finally found your thread, really have been enjoying it

I think the brain is just like a file cabinet, you keep forcing stuff in the front, it has to spill out in the back. Hmmm... maybe computer designers need to do that, just delete stuff which seems to be unnecessary and hasn't been used in a long time.

I was thinking the same thing. But I have never used that style of roofing.

Not sure if that is great minds thinking alike or a couple of dumb asses who don't know ****.

No, no, dumb asses do know sh!t.

I am worn out just looking at your progress, we have had rain here for 3 days so I have only got 3 hours work done on my place. It has however given me time to read thru a lot of threads that have eluded me for a while.
Your place is coming along really nicely, I , like 1/2, was wondering about the screws holding the roof sheets on as well.
Like I have said before, everyone is different, that is what makes it so interesting.

Steady rain is a bummer, but I'd like some more GJ time!

Hey Andy, I hope that the earthquake wasn't too close to you.

I was up early, kissed my wife on the way out... and the earth moved, under my feet. That was true love no... it was an earthquake. I like her anyway.

We were pretty close, but no damage that I know of.

Thanks so much for the visits, guys

 

[oldironfarmer]

Took Sunday off from my little project.

But I did manage to go on a date with Miss Vicky.

She's so cute!

Thanks, Bobby

Nice day for a nice trip and no car troubles, I'm even learning to downshift with no grinding. She hates it when I grind her gears.

We went to a town about 12 miles away to a friend's speed shop to look at his home made paint booth. (Maybe I didn't go, I didn't get any pictures!) I need to ask if he'll let me take pictures in his shop. Nice setup.

It was a counterproductive trip, he has a low lift in his paint booth so he can paint the lower half of a car standing up. Dang! I have to do that$$$$$$

I was concerned about using conventional T8 fixtures inside the paint booth. That is what he has had for five years, and he uses an old window fan in a window for exhaust. He does do nice paint jobs, but I think I'll get a belt driven aluminum blade exhaust fan.

Back to the roof tomorrow

 

[1/2 Cup]

Took Sunday off from my little project.

But I did manage to go on a date with Miss Vicky.

She's so cute!

Thanks, Bobby

Nice day for a nice trip and no car troubles, I'm even learning to downshift with no grinding. She hates it when I grind her gears.

We went to a town about 12 miles away to a friend's speed shop to look at his home made paint booth. (Maybe I didn't go, I didn't get any pictures!) I need to ask if he'll let me take pictures in his shop. Nice setup.

It was a counterproductive trip, he has a low lift in his paint booth so he can paint the lower half of a car standing up. Dang! I have to do that$$$$$$

I was concerned about using conventional T8 fixtures inside the paint booth. That is what he has had for five years, and he uses an old window fan in a window for exhaust. He does do nice paint jobs, but I think I'll get a belt driven aluminum blade exhaust fan.

Back to the roof tomorrow

Andy, those pictures of the Vicky are just making me so envious.

Certainly fixing on the flat would be easier and I didn't know that it is recommended

 

[dlcwent]

Looking great Andy. I'm wondering what you might buy and have sent to you so you have a surprise when it arrives.

Hopefully you'll have the rest of the tin on by the end of Labor Day. I didn't catch as to how screwed it down, on the flats or the ridges. When I did mine I did it on the flats but found out the snow doesn't slide as well with all the screws for it to grip onto.