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Is it just me, but I hear ZZ Top's Sharp Dressed Man in my head every time I see the purplish car.

Nice progress, Andy. And yes, find out what Speedway's plan is on the breather. I suppose they're going to want to sell you a new billet aluminum breather.
 
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...I did find time to finish up the engine compartment of the purplish car...

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...and a mighty fine job too Andy.

The headers and the new rocker covers really set it off. [emoji106]


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Andy nice work, but save some of that adrenaline, in case you have to battle some evil super villain attempting to corner the market on scrap!
 
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Is it just me, but I hear ZZ Top's Sharp Dressed Man in my head every time I see the purplish car.

Nice progress, Andy. And yes, find out what Speedway's plan is on the breather. I suppose they're going to want to sell you a new billet aluminum breather.

You really know how to put a guy on the spot. I don't know that I've ever heard any ZZ Top music. I have seen the beards and cool cars. Are they anything like Hank Williams Sr.?

A little overnight thinking reveals it's probably just me. I was in a hurry to get the car on the road. The new breather I bought came with a rubber grommet but it's plugged on the end. I was incorrectly thinking it was bonded to the breather however it's not a breather if it's in a plugged grommet. This morning I'm sure I can pry the grommet off, cut it's end off, get it into the hole then the breather should slip in and out. I'll still call them just to demonstrate how naïve I am.

Andy great progress:thumbup:

What's wrong under the dash that you have to sort?

Thanks, Steve!

Under the dash, a typical rat's nest of old and older and newer wires. Some disconnected. Nice Dolphin gauges but the oil pressure reads 20 psi with the key off, the voltmeter reads 7 or 8 volts but the alternator is keeping the battery hot, and when I turn on the headlights it pegs the gauges. I also get a small spark when I connect the battery. I'm no EE but I sense possibly multiple issues. I plan to first remove all disconnected wiring, then group all the stereo speaker leads and probably wrap them to reduce the clutter. Then through ignorance I plan to try to trace each wire one instrument at a time and hopefully draw a little wiring diagram. I would like to replace wires which are too short so they can all be run together. I may have set the bar too high.:lol_hitti

...and a mighty fine job too Andy.

The headers and the new rocker covers really set it off. [emoji106]


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Thanks so much! I don't know how long the header paint will last but it feels good and hard and where I stained it with oily gloves working hot the stains have burned off.:thumbup:

I really like the fabric wire loom instead of the corrugated plastic. It's hard to get on but stays put so far.

Andy nice work, but save some of that adrenaline, in case you have to battle some evil super villain attempting to corner the market on scrap!

:lol_hitti I don't battle evil super villains, JB is my scrap super hero (and Dreaming Muscle).
 

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Andy: your rubber gaskets take me back to my youth that is for certain. if we didn't keep a tube to use to float down the river that went around my uncle's farm we kept them for gasket and bike tire repairs.

nice work on the Purple car and sounds like you are not stopping. maybe you should fly Vieux to your farm from Russia to help you with the wiring while showing him how you melt some metal?

it seems like SATURDAY here and the sun is shining so I guess i'll move some of my STUFF. we just tell everyone it rains all the time up here cause we already have too many people up here in PARADISE.

enjoy your day!!
 

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Car is looking good!

Good luck with the internal wiring. Maybe fit the lazyboy instead of a cot. Pull up the coke machine and the tool cart and get comfy for a few hours.
 

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The broom I use daily in the barn gave up the ghost this morning. Dad said it was a cheap POS anyway and he'd pick up a new one. I told him I'd see if I couldn't get my hands on a genuine Andy Martin broom as that kind of handmade quality should outlast him :lol_hitti

What'd'ya think the chances of getting my hands on one of your masterpiece brooms are ?? I know you're making great progress on the purple car but it might be time for a break. After all, you'd hate to burn yourself out. Time for a coke and a broom making session I think :bounce:
 

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I have a love/hate relationship with wiring - it's quite satisfying (almost therapeutic) when you have a defined plan of attack.
But, it's also quite daunting when you look at the typical rat's nest.

I've got a couple of those rat's nests to deal with...
When my '65 Impala was converted to RHD, they just cut every wire from the instrument cluster and lengthened them - all with the same color wire!

The more pressing matter though is my (daily driver) '77 F100, which has had numerous things added to it over the years.
Every accessory seemed to get its own inline fuse - which would be fine, except that you have to take the dash out to access some of those fuses! [emoji15]

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Andy: I know you'll have something to say about flying in an expert when you are probably very capable of wiring up the old Purple car or anything for that matter. I just thought since you are such a good member to entertain European members on your farm that maybe Vieux might like a little warmer week or two this winter to stop by.

i'm with others that i'd much rather wire new than deal with another persons or companie's mess.

best of luck with that!!

how's the farm animals doing now that you are feeding them hay daily instead of them hanging out on the pasture? dogs getting along and taking turns teasing the cows?
 
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Andy: your rubber gaskets take me back to my youth that is for certain. if we didn't keep a tube to use to float down the river that went around my uncle's farm we kept them for gasket and bike tire repairs.

nice work on the Purple car and sounds like you are not stopping. maybe you should fly Vieux to your farm from Russia to help you with the wiring while showing him how you melt some metal?

it seems like SATURDAY here and the sun is shining so I guess i'll move some of my STUFF. we just tell everyone it rains all the time up here cause we already have too many people up here in PARADISE.

enjoy your day!!

I seem to generate lots of tractor tubes for other uses. I think I have three right now.

Not sure why I would stop?

It would be great to have Vladimir come to visit. I imagine I can trace wires, though:lol_hitti

I've been to Seattle when the sun was shining. But not too many times, it was usually dreary. We would fly in and drive up to the refineries in the Bellingham area. I had a good friend who moved there and we stayed in touch. He said all the gloomy weather depressed him. But not as bad as winters in Alaska, you have to be real tough to stay happy through the short days up there. He was working on Alaskan projects. He had a great house on Lake Whatcom.

Car is looking good!

Good luck with the internal wiring. Maybe fit the lazyboy instead of a cot. Pull up the coke machine and the tool cart and get comfy for a few hours.

Thank you!

Lazy Boy would be good. I worked without a cushion today, that has to change for tomorrow.

The broom I use daily in the barn gave up the ghost this morning. Dad said it was a cheap POS anyway and he'd pick up a new one. I told him I'd see if I couldn't get my hands on a genuine Andy Martin broom as that kind of handmade quality should outlast him :lol_hitti

What'd'ya think the chances of getting my hands on one of your masterpiece brooms are ?? I know you're making great progress on the purple car but it might be time for a break. After all, you'd hate to burn yourself out. Time for a coke and a broom making session I think :bounce:

I think the chance of you getting a broom is pretty good! You did help me a lot!:bowdown:

I have a love/hate relationship with wiring - it's quite satisfying (almost therapeutic) when you have a defined plan of attack.
But, it's also quite daunting when you look at the typical rat's nest.

I've got a couple of those rat's nests to deal with...
When my '65 Impala was converted to RHD, they just cut every wire from the instrument cluster and lengthened them - all with the same color wire!

The more pressing matter though is my (daily driver) '77 F100, which has had numerous things added to it over the years.
Every accessory seemed to get its own inline fuse - which would be fine, except that you have to take the dash out to access some of those fuses! [emoji15]

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Hmmm, doesn't look bad in a picture.

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Only about a third of the wires show up.

I have a similar situation in the Chevelle, though not as bad.

Andy: I know you'll have something to say about flying in an expert when you are probably very capable of wiring up the old Purple car or anything for that matter. I just thought since you are such a good member to entertain European members on your farm that maybe Vieux might like a little warmer week or two this winter to stop by.

i'm with others that i'd much rather wire new than deal with another persons or companie's mess.

best of luck with that!!

how's the farm animals doing now that you are feeding them hay daily instead of them hanging out on the pasture? dogs getting along and taking turns teasing the cows?

I love to have GJ members come to visit.

I really don't like working under the dash of a car. I took the passenger seat out and do have plenty of room to work, it's not too bad.

The cattle are getting cubes not hay. The cubes are compressed ground feed and minerals with controlled levels of nutrients. I feed 39% protein, normal around here is 20%. The high protein makes them hungry for roughage so they make better use of dead standing grass but we still have green grass. I start them on the cubes early because it helps them put on some fat for winter. They'll get hay when the grass runs out, usually around mid December but we have so much grass now it may be early January before they need hay. We'll just see. I don't want them hungry but they do have to work for their nutrition.

The dogs are learning to get along!

We've had a good acorn fall. Good food supply for the deer, squirrels, rabbits, and rats.

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Those were under this lone tree on the way to the barn.

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I drove the purple car to Mannford to buy drugs.

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It's fun.

Then took the passenger seat out and went to work. I found several wires not connected on either end, and a few not connected on one end. I did determine that the all the gauges were using the speedometer ground at the speedometer. So I added a ground and the gauges are working well.:thumbup: But the radio quit working so something I did removed power to the radio. Also saw that the ignition supply was being used to supply power to several consumers including the volt meter. I think I need to supply power separately to the distributor and the other services.

Spent a little time on the A/C and the compressor will turn so the coil and clutch are working. There are three dash switches in the system and they all seem to be pretty marginal with loose terminals, etc. It may be wise to buy new switches. I don't think the job will be as bad as I thought.

Another Saturday tomorrow!
 

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Who made this wire? I would say that for such work it is necessary to tear off hands and eggs.
 

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In the January issue of Hot Rod magazine there is an article about casting an aluminum windshield frame. The company that did the casting is Metal Dynamics in Tulsa.

I've got a 1994 Jeep Wrangler that has wiring under the dash that looks about like the picture of your car. It seems that a lot of owner installed sound systems are wired this way.

Vince
 

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That wiring looks fun Andy, I've had to deal with similar a few times, just go slow and be methodical and it'll all work out in the end...our you'll burn it down.

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Andy, I had a dear old friend who once owned a 57 thunderbird (one of many!) that had been completely rewired by a PO with yellow wire. That's correct, yellow. Every single, solitary wire on the entire car was that color.
However, we joked that in many ways it made things very easy because the answer to any problem was always "it's probably the yellow wire"
 
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Andy its good to see the Purplish car on the road again, you have done well.:thumbup:

Don't you just hate a wiring loom like that:shocking:

Thanks! It's good to drive it. Still have a few bugs to work out. It's got a miss under acceleration so I think it's getting new wires.

Everyone before has added the minimum. Lots of splices. Pick up a hot wire anywhere you can.

Who made this wire? I would say that for such work it is necessary to tear off hands and eggs.

Wow! If I could that would be fun!!

This is a great result.

Well done and well enjoyed.

Getting there! Thank you!

In the January issue of Hot Rod magazine there is an article about casting an aluminum windshield frame. The company that did the casting is Metal Dynamics in Tulsa.

I've got a 1994 Jeep Wrangler that has wiring under the dash that looks about like the picture of your car. It seems that a lot of owner installed sound systems are wired this way.

Vince

I didn't see that article. I'll have to look them up.

94 is too new for that stuff but guys like me don't know what they're doing when it comes to wires.:lol_hitti

That wiring looks fun Andy, I've had to deal with similar a few times, just go slow and be methodical and it'll all work out in the end...or you'll burn it down.

JB

I like sparklers, but not so much under the dash. One part I can be sure of, and that's going slow!:bounce:

Andy, I had a dear old friend who once owned a 57 thunderbird (one of many!) that had been completely rewired by a PO with yellow wire. That's correct, yellow. Every single, solitary wire on the entire car was that color.
However, we joked that in many ways it made things very easy because the answer to any problem was always "it's probably the yellow wire"

That's funny! Was that Bob Heine?

All my parking lights, turn signals, and brake lights are 12 gauge green. Green to go I guess.
 

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Andy, the '87 Corvette had that same wiring but with the added feature of twist and tape connections. Before I discovered what was behind the dash, a large puff of smoke came out of the dash when I turned on the radio -- I took that as a hint something might be wrong.

Am I hearing this right? You guys use different color wires? In my wiring, Yellow means I was there -- like an animal marks their territory. Makes it easy to fix problems because "it's probably the yellow wire."

EDIT: And don't eat yellow snow!
 
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Andy, the '87 Corvette had that same wiring but with the added feature of twist and tape connections. Before I discovered what was behind the dash, a large puff of smoke came out of the dash when I turned on the radio -- I took that as a hint something might be wrong.

Am I hearing this right? You guys use different color wires? In my wiring, Yellow means I was there -- like an animal marks their territory. Makes it easy to fix problems because "it's probably the yellow wire."

EDIT: And don't eat yellow snow!

You were very perceptive with the puff of smoke. I always figured if it stopped smoking everything was all right.

I only have one roll of wire, but I've taken enough off this car to give me a nice selection.:beer:

I used to use wire nuts and may go back to them. I've had to replace a few crimp connectors because after crimping they came loose. Wire nuts have always served me well, even outside on tractors.

What?
You just have to make sure that you use good quality tape, don't you? [emoji15]

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Good quality duct tape in this part of the world.

Not much to report today. I had a visitor and spent some nice time with him. He did point out the trunk I have on the 41 Chevy coupe out in the pasture would fit on the 48 Coupe in the shop. Hmmm. Back to work tomorrow!
 

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Who made this wire? I would say that for such work it is necessary to tear off hands and eggs.

Reminds me never to do wiring on a Lada! :lol:


What?
You just have to make sure that you use good quality tape, don't you? [emoji15]

As long as you french plait twist the connections first. :lol_hitti

Also make sure there are no wrinkles in the tape - nothing says unprofessional more than wrinkles in your duct/electrical tape! :lol:


You were very perceptive with the puff of smoke. I always figured if it stopped smoking everything was all right.

Might be out of smoke in which case you may have to order more. :thumbup:

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Might be out of smoke in which case you may have to order more. :thumbup:

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LOL.

I'm a bit **** retentive about my auto wiring. I like to lineman splice, solder, then heat-shrink tubing. I don't want to have to come back and fix it again. Cuz I'm lazy.
 

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LOL.

I'm a bit **** retentive about my auto wiring. I like to lineman splice, solder, then heat-shrink tubing. I don't want to have to come back and fix it again. Cuz I'm lazy.

Same here. I do try to keep the solder joint minimal to maintain flexibility and much less 'snaggy' than bullet or crimped connectors.

Also take a little extra time and effort to route the wire rather than either taking a shortcut from A to B or simply shove it under the nearest upholstery or cover to 'sweep it under the rug'.

Remember once driving a friend's car which constantly had wiring hang out the back of the dash. So much so it would catch in pedals or on shoes all the time. I register low on the OCD and perfectionist scale but that drove me nuts! :willy_nil
 

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French braid twist, um, wonder if Fannie Mae knows how to do this type of braid?
Does Amazon or Walmart carry the Replacement Smoke? I need a jar.


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LOL.

I'm a bit **** retentive about my auto wiring. I like to lineman splice, solder, then heat-shrink tubing. I don't want to have to come back and fix it again. Cuz I'm lazy.

Same here. I do try to keep the solder joint minimal to maintain flexibility and much less 'snaggy' than bullet or crimped connectors.

Anyone ever use Power Phase **** splices ?? We use them constantly on farms with great success. If it's going somewhere wet I still heat-shrink tubing the whole works but it probably wouldn't be needed ....

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Reminds me never to do wiring on a Lada! :lol:

As long as you french plait twist the connections first. :lol_hitti

Also make sure there are no wrinkles in the tape - nothing says unprofessional more than wrinkles in your duct/electrical tape! :lol:

Might be out of smoke in which case you may have to order more. :thumbup:

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I learned in college that electricity is really a thin vapor that travels through the wires. Letting the smoke out usually leaves too little for the device to work. I did not know replacement smoke was available, however. Not surprisingly it's Lucas.:lol_hitti:lol_hitti

How do you put it in? Is that the deal with mirrors?

LOL.

I'm a bit **** retentive about my auto wiring. I like to lineman splice, solder, then heat-shrink tubing. I don't want to have to come back and fix it again. Cuz I'm lazy.

I used to solder everything, including into bare crimp connectors for rings and blades (no forks, thank you). But it seems everything I come across is full of crimp connectors so I have fallen in with a bad crowd, now I'm doing it. But I try not to splice, wire is too cheap and cars are too small to splice unless you just can't pull the wire.

Same here. I do try to keep the solder joint minimal to maintain flexibility and much less 'snaggy' than bullet or crimped connectors.

Also take a little extra time and effort to route the wire rather than either taking a shortcut from A to B or simply shove it under the nearest upholstery or cover to 'sweep it under the rug'.

Remember once driving a friend's car which constantly had wiring hang out the back of the dash. So much so it would catch in pedals or on shoes all the time. I register low on the OCD and perfectionist scale but that drove me nuts! :willy_nil

Routing the wire is about my biggest pet peeve. It seems in this car all the wires are crossed and twisted. I think some of them were intentionally routed around others to hold them up. I'm going to undo as much of that as I can.

But I may not do too much as I'm homing in on completion. I've pulled out a little wire.

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Tracing down wires I did find a hidden push button to unlock the electric door locks if the remote is not working. It's corroded but seems like a good idea to replace it.

I finally gave in and started taking the A/C unit apart. I found this adjustable thermostat behind a shroud. Capillary tube goes into the unit so I presume it is a compressor cutout when the setting is satisfied.

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It has a counterclockwise detent and I thought it was not working until I turned it almost full clockwise and the contacts closed. It has lots of capillary and a nice knob on the far side so I think I'll mount it where it can be adjusted. It was crammed into the space under the fan.

Still can't get continuity through some of the switches so I pulled the switch plate out.

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Thought I'd buy some cheap replacements but what I've found so far are NOS around $100 each.:shocking: I think these will be disassembled and cleaned first.:lol_hitti

I did find an unused resistor in the ceramic holder used to drop ignition voltage to 6v so it's been here since someone converted the 6v car to 12v. That was probably with the original engine a while back. Like 50 years. The ignition was run to and from the same terminal so when they went to 12v ignition that was the easy solution. I think the entire ignition wire is going to get replaced and won't be run across the car and wrapped around the air conditioner unit before exiting through the firewall. With a splice for the gauges and a splice for an unused service, probably the first A/C supply.
 

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French braid twist, um, wonder if Fannie Mae knows how to do this type of braid?
Does Amazon or Walmart carry the Replacement Smoke? I need a jar.

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I'm pretty sure O'Reilly's will have the smoke and mirrors.

Anyone ever use Power Phase **** splices ?? We use them constantly on farms with great success. If it's going somewhere wet I still heat-shrink tubing the whole works but it probably wouldn't be needed ....

Power Phase Connector Link from Fastenal

Those look pretty cool, there are ow some on the way.

You're just wanting a broom, aren't you?

Thanks for the visits, guys. I have to make myself go work on the wires. Where's my mate Steve when I need him?
 
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Andy, you are a brave man tackling that lot.:thumbup:

That wiring is awful :shocking:


HA! Not brave just has to be done. And I'm not a wiring guy. Give me pipe to run any day.

The last picture in my previous post shows all the power to the A/C system is through the small black wire scabbed on to the red jumper. It comes off a 25 amp fuse four feet away. And most the terminals on the switches are loose.:shocking: The one on the left is the three speed fan switch and terminals are very loose.:shocking: But it works.:headscrat The blue jumper and blue wire from the right switch goes to the thermostat and clutch, it's the wire I can't get power to. I'm pulling the wires off and prying the switches open to see if I need to send them to Vladimir.:lol_hitti

Or Steve...
 

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HA! Not brave just has to be done. And I'm not a wiring guy. Give me pipe to run any day.

The last picture in my previous post shows all the power to the A/C system is through the small black wire scabbed on to the red jumper. It comes off a 25 amp fuse four feet away. And most the terminals on the switches are loose.:shocking: The one on the left is the three speed fan switch and terminals are very loose.:shocking: But it works.:headscrat The blue jumper and blue wire from the right switch goes to the thermostat and clutch, it's the wire I can't get power to. I'm pulling the wires off and prying the switches open to see if I need to send them to Vladimir.:lol_hitti

Or Steve...

Andy being an electrician I can fully understand that it just has to be done, it would do my head in otherwise:thumbup:
 

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...I'm not a wiring guy. Give me pipe to run any day.
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Pretty much the same Andy, just carrying a different product - you still have to select a wire/pipe large enough for the volume (for the distance that it has to travel) and strong enough for the pressure and make sure that there are no leaks.

Actually, it should be easier than pipe (try twisting a couple of air lines together and wrapping tape around them [emoji1]).


Seriously though, wiring does bewilder me at times - particularly when it's either doing something that it shouldn't or not doing something that it should.


Your doing a great job on the purplish car.[emoji106]



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Andy,

I have resisted responding for several days on the wiring situation as I feel you will get it straight, but if that were mine, I would rip it all out and purchase a new wiring kit from Ron Francis or Painless Wiring. They specialize in providing kits for cars just like this. In the end it will be quicker, easier and finally much safer for everyone that ends up driving this car. Save the old wiring if you must, but replacing it is the best way to go. The companies I mentioned will supply a complete kit based on what you have installed in your car, each wire being labeled as to where it is to go, and there instructions are simple to follow. You'll end up with far less stress and a much safer vehicle to drive. I've done this for several friends on cars that were in much worse shape, and it worked beautifully. For most people without electrical knowledge, a new custom harness is far superior.

Just my 2 cents......Not enough to buy a coke from your machine..

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Reading through tonite reminded me of the wiring on the corvette. I hated every minute of it.

I can understand your feelings, completely! The best part of this is that after the passenger seat came out I have a flat floor (with four pain in the back studs) straight out the door so access is pretty good.

Thanks for stopping in!

Andy being an electrician I can fully understand that it just has to be done, it would do my head in otherwise:thumbup:

Your support is greatly appreciated!

Pretty much the same Andy, just carrying a different product - you still have to select a wire/pipe large enough for the volume (for the distance that it has to travel) and strong enough for the pressure and make sure that there are no leaks.

Actually, it should be easier than pipe (try twisting a couple of air lines together and wrapping tape around them [emoji1]).

Seriously though, wiring does bewilder me at times - particularly when it's either doing something that it shouldn't or not doing something that it should.

Your doing a great job on the purplish car.[emoji106]

Sent from my SM-G950F using The Garage Journal mobile app

They are somewhat the same but wiring systems are typically vastly more complex, even in a refinery with lots of piping with a couple dozen dozen or more products to be carried.

I think it's the mysterious results that becomes the most frustrating. I've happened on a new way (for me) to track down shorts. I'm using my old battery charger with an ammeter. Put a probe on the positive lead and hook the negative to ground. I can really see what amperage is going to anything I touch and if I get areal short and hold it too long the internal circuit breaker clicks and tells me I have a short.

On this car I'm down to the A/C switches, I think, so it's on the home stretch.

Andy,

I have resisted responding for several days on the wiring situation as I feel you will get it straight, but if that were mine, I would rip it all out and purchase a new wiring kit from Ron Francis or Painless Wiring. They specialize in providing kits for cars just like this. In the end it will be quicker, easier and finally much safer for everyone that ends up driving this car. Save the old wiring if you must, but replacing it is the best way to go. The companies I mentioned will supply a complete kit based on what you have installed in your car, each wire being labeled as to where it is to go, and there instructions are simple to follow. You'll end up with far less stress and a much safer vehicle to drive. I've done this for several friends on cars that were in much worse shape, and it worked beautifully. For most people without electrical knowledge, a new custom harness is far superior.

Just my 2 cents......Not enough to buy a coke from your machine..

Gil

WOW! I had no idea such great custom wiring kits were available. I spent a lot of time looking around.

Unfortunately my knuckles were white and I couldn't ease up enough on the credit card to see the numbers. It happens every time I try to spend money...

Your 2 cents worth is plenty to buy a Coke, the dimes are on top of the machine.:bounce:

Although I'm too cheap to spend the money right now I do appreciate your educating me as I really didn't know custom harnesses were available. Not cheap but really not out of line either. In my case I don't know what I have with the A/C, steering column and keyless entry. Pretty sure the steering column is GM so the colors are probably uniform across the board for it. I don't have any affection for the old wiring. I also don't have the car stripped so it would be a pretty good effort to get a new harness to the tail lights.

Good news is I have not found any burned or cracked insulation. A couple of shorts in dead ended wiring which went away when pulled from the frame and really went away when it hit the floor.

When I do my 48 COE I may try to keep the old wiring because it looks pretty good and has not been altered but a new vintage style harness would be great for it.

Thanks for the comments and suggestions, guys. I hate getting good suggestion which I don't follow because I feel it makes me look old, cheap, and set in my ways. Hmmm, regardless I do appreciate suggestions. Sometimes the seed planted makes a big difference later on down the road. For instance, the Studekota needs a full wiring harness to go from an aftermarket gauge cluster and tilt steering column to a 95 Dakota engine and accessories. Sounds like custom harness time rather than running all yellow 12 gauge.:lol_hitti
 

gilr

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You're welcome, but I'm your age or a year or so older and I've learned over the years to spend on things like this as it ultimately saves my most precious commodity - time! Any money left over when I'm gone will go to the kids, not to my coffin, so I don't mind spending it now.

In my working past, I've dealt with automation control system racks all wired with white wire, what a nightmare to trouble-shoot, even with good documentation. Having wiring harnesses with the function printed on the wires makes it much easier to trace if a problem exists. I have run these kits on cars that were not disassembled and it isn't that difficult to run the wires to the tail lights in the rear as there aren't that many wires for them.

In any case, enough rambling, hope you get it all sorted soon. With your ability and determination, I'm sure you will get it done!

Gil
 

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Good morning, Andy,

I am glad to see you getting the wiring issues taken care of. I think you have found the answer to the question about turning the distributor and having it stop running. Please be careful with the wiring. My brother built a beautiful 70 GTO and the car started on fire while he was driving it. The investigator for the insurance company pointed to a spot on the firewall and said his fire was caused by an electrical issue there. I don't know how he knew that. My brother was very lucky to get out of the car. He was dumbfounded by how fast the fire spread.

Also, I don't know how you have the car insured, my brother had an agreed upon amount with the insurance company for 20k. When the insurance adjuster showed up, my brother asked if he thought it was totaled, the adjuster didn't hesitate a second and said absolutely. He came in at about 43k in repairs needed to get the car put back together. My brother is rebuilding the car and will have a professional appraisal and sufficient insurance.

I know this sounds like a downer of a post but I would rather say something and not have anything happen rather than to stay quiet and have something go really bad.

Lynn
 

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I think the chance of you getting a broom is pretty good! You did help me a lot!:bowdown:

Those look pretty cool, there are ow some on the way.

You're just wanting a broom, aren't you?
I'm sure glad the cell booster is working out for you !!!

I'll gladly put a good broom to use !! If you're shipping one I'd gladly pay for another as well. May as well make good use of the shipping materials. One for Mama Bear and one for me would be swell. No rush of course !!

I still have to send you a big box of brass parts and pieces !!
 
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oldironfarmer

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You're welcome, but I'm your age or a year or so older and I've learned over the years to spend on things like this as it ultimately saves my most precious commodity - time! Any money left over when I'm gone will go to the kids, not to my coffin, so I don't mind spending it now.

In my working past, I've dealt with automation control system racks all wired with white wire, what a nightmare to trouble-shoot, even with good documentation. Having wiring harnesses with the function printed on the wires makes it much easier to trace if a problem exists. I have run these kits on cars that were not disassembled and it isn't that difficult to run the wires to the tail lights in the rear as there aren't that many wires for them.

In any case, enough rambling, hope you get it all sorted soon. With your ability and determination, I'm sure you will get it done!

Gil

Thanks, Gil. I've been around a lot of control systems with the little PLC's and seems like the guys made good use of wire labels. But still, it's all white.

I'll have to try a harness. It seems like a lot of extra work from this perspective, but I'm guessing and you're speaking from experience. That counts in my book.

Good morning, Andy,

I am glad to see you getting the wiring issues taken care of. I think you have found the answer to the question about turning the distributor and having it stop running. Please be careful with the wiring. My brother built a beautiful 70 GTO and the car started on fire while he was driving it. The investigator for the insurance company pointed to a spot on the firewall and said his fire was caused by an electrical issue there. I don't know how he knew that. My brother was very lucky to get out of the car. He was dumbfounded by how fast the fire spread.

Also, I don't know how you have the car insured, my brother had an agreed upon amount with the insurance company for 20k. When the insurance adjuster showed up, my brother asked if he thought it was totaled, the adjuster didn't hesitate a second and said absolutely. He came in at about 43k in repairs needed to get the car put back together. My brother is rebuilding the car and will have a professional appraisal and sufficient insurance.

I know this sounds like a downer of a post but I would rather say something and not have anything happen rather than to stay quiet and have something go really bad.

Lynn

Not a downer, just reality. I only paid $14,000 for the car and added nothing before this go around. This has been less than $2,000 but it's really all maintenance. I don't remember the insurance but I think it's $18,000. I think the car would sell for that or a little more but it is in rough shape. Pretty good 30 ft car.

Sad about the GTO. I've never had a car fire, just shorts. Did he have a gasoline leak too? I do plan to put plastic sleeves through the firewall penetrations if I can't get grommets in them.

I'm sure glad the cell booster is working out for you !!!

I'll gladly put a good broom to use !! If you're shipping one I'd gladly pay for another as well. May as well make good use of the shipping materials. One for Mama Bear and one for me would be swell. No rush of course !!

I still have to send you a big box of brass parts and pieces !!

The cell booster lets me work in the shop and still respond when my wife needs help. I would not be in the shop without it. Thank you again.

Two brooms. Got it! You'll have to wait until I get to it. Probably next year. Or after.

Andy,
Looks like you have the parts on the way to fix your electrical but if you ever want to do the belt and suspenders thing they do make connectors that are crimped, heat shrink and soldered.

Dwight
https://www.delcity.net/store/Heat-Shrink,-Solder-&-Crimp-Step!Down-Connectors/p_806866.h_806867

Belt, suspenders, and buttons if you really want to be safe. I'm learning. But how do you solder with the plastic in the way? Does it slip off?

I had a short day but got some things done. First off my feed storage shipping container door has been getting harder and harder to get open. I'm sure part of the problem is I lubricated the rubber seal so it could pick up dust and maybe swell. Since the end is under the barn roof I decided to cut off the interior seal. The exterior seal will still keep mice out.

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This was the top of the door. The interior seal is already off. It's about 9 ft up so instead of walking to the shop and back with a ladder I built a scaffold.

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Love those square bales!:lol_hitti

By the way, the door opens like a dream now!:thumbup:
 

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