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[oldironfarmer]

Still stuck under the dash!

But made some progress. I found lots of the blades on the switches were loose so I decided to repair rather buy new less robust switches. they came apart easily, very clean inside, no burned spots just lots of grease.

I had a small punch with a peened end so I rounded that and polished it and used an aluminum bronze punch for an anvil to reset the rivets.

That worked but not too well, I couldn't get a good blow, needed a dish for the rivet head (which is also the contact) to seat in when I hit the other side with the punch. I cut the head off a 5/16" used bolt and ran a ball mill into it.

Put that just proud of the vise jaws and the rivets seated well.

Slicker than snot! Got all the rivets set and have tight blades. Switches work well.

With the switches out I could figure out their design. Off plus three positions with a common B (bulb?) terminal always on. This is how the wiring diagram looked when I got the car:

Black wire from switch one to switch two is redundant. I'm not sure what the upper damper does, if it is for a defroster there are no openings on this car so it's just blowing up under the dash. And it looks like the water valve is not adjustable and on all the time.

After a little thought I decided this is what I want, eliminate switch three and maybe eliminate the water valve control and make it a manual control by cable from a lever in switch three location.

If anyone wants to take the time to browse through these and give me their comments I would appreciate it.

I think I'll set up a vacuum pump to simulate engine vacuum and make sure everything works as it should before I put stuff back together.

Thanks for looking in!

 

[dchance]

Andy, Like the scaffold. Using what you have close.

The heat from when you heat shrink it melts the solder.

Dwight

 

[Grizz1963]

Love the logical way your head works.

I tend to spray and pray, well, not quite, but often do not think as logically as you.

Loving the use of punches and riveting process.

 

[1/2 Cup]

Well done Andy

 

[drivesitfar]

Andy: nice fix on the container door cause I bet it's not fun feeding your herd at 0 dawn thirty and it can't be very warm this time of year then either.

keep up the good work on the wiring. sounds like the engine and ****** work is about done or do you still have a little fine tuning to do?

not sure you know, but when did hay bales go from square to huge round ones?

have a great day!!

 

[gilr]

Hi Andy,

As long as the diodes you select are rated for the current that the AC clutch draws (probably at least 5 amps), your idea should work. If there is an electric condenser fan that comes on with the AC, you would also want a diode in series with the fan's positive lead to prevent the fan from becoming a "generator" when the ignition is turned off. I just fixed a Chevy truck for a friend this summer that someone added an electric fan to replace the old clutch fan and while it worked, the truck kept running after switching off the ignition switch as long as the fan was spinning. Some fan kits have an adjustable thermostat with the diode included to prevent this from happening, but if not, this can happen. It's amazing how long the engine will run while the fan spins after the vehicle's ignition is shut off.

 

[realvc]

Your switch repair is just the coolest but then again everything that happens around your place is pretty cool.

Vince

 

[oldironfarmer]

Andy, Like the scaffold. Using what you have close.

The heat from when you heat shrink it melts the solder.

Dwight

Not the first time I've climbed up on hay.

I would not have guessed that you would get the heat shrink sleeve hot enough to melt solder, that's pretty cool!! Can't be low temperature lead solder in this day and age.

Love the logical way your head works.

I tend to spray and pray, well, not quite, but often do not think as logically as you.

Loving the use of punches and riveting process.

Spray and pray.

I've tried to reset rivets many times with limited or no success. I almost took the time to make a spinner for tightening these, but the key is to have the right shape on both ends of the rivet.

Well done Andy

Thanks Steve!

Andy: nice fix on the container door cause I bet it's not fun feeding your herd at 0 dawn thirty and it can't be very warm this time of year then either.

keep up the good work on the wiring. sounds like the engine and ****** work is about done or do you still have a little fine tuning to do?

not sure you know, but when did hay bales go from square to huge round ones?

have a great day!!

I don't mind feeding, but fighting the door every time was less than ideal. Still better than keeping the feed over at my son in law's and going there to load some up. Even though it's just 1/8 mile and a couple of bags.

The engine and transmission only need some more road time. Everything is working good with an engine miss which I'm expecting new plug wires to fix.

You asked before about round and square balers.

Stationary square balers, powered by a horse, appeared in the mid-1800's. They went through lots of improvements but pickup balers came in the 1930's, where you could drive it through the field to pick up hay. The early ones were still hand tied so it took two guys riding along to push the wire through and manually tie.

The first round baler was invented in 1903 but not marketed. Allis Chalmers used that patent to produce the Roto Baler in 1949 which made small round bales. By using sisal twine the twine could be left to rot or consumed by the cattle. The little known feature of the Roto Baler concept was that you could bale a field once or twice (grass hay) and the last baling left in the field and cows turned in. They could graze the grass then eat the hay as fall wore on, avoiding the double steps of picking up the hay then refeeding it. Not sure that worked very well. My grandpa had a Roto Baler but his hay was always picked up. However the little round bales lasted pretty well in the weather. You definitely didn't have to get them picked up before the first rain.

Vermeer invented a 2,000 lb round baler in the early 1970's but the bales were too big. In 1972 their 605 was the first practical modern large round baler. I had a 605C.

In the 80's lots of manufacturers making lots of round bales and farmers no longer had to pick up square bales and stack them. You've seen my bale wagon, it picks them up and stacks them. New Holland started selling them in the late 60's.

Lots of small square bales are still used. They are very convenient for feeding horses in individual stalls and bring a premium because of the handling cost. If I wanted to I could make good money using equipment I have including the bale wagon to store and sell small square bales. I'm working on cars and melting metal (but that could change).

In the 1990's large square balers came out, designed to fit well on highway trucks, and they are the choice for large haying operations because round bales don't fit well on a semi trailer. They cost $35,000 and up. Way up.

Hi Andy,

As long as the diodes you select are rated for the current that the AC clutch draws (probably at least 5 amps), your idea should work. If there is an electric condenser fan that comes on with the AC, you would also want a diode in series with the fan's positive lead to prevent the fan from becoming a "generator" when the ignition is turned off. I just fixed a Chevy truck for a friend this summer that someone added an electric fan to replace the old clutch fan and while it worked, the truck kept running after switching off the ignition switch as long as the fan was spinning. Some fan kits have an adjustable thermostat with the diode included to prevent this from happening, but if not, this can happen. It's amazing how long the engine will run while the fan spins after the vehicle's ignition is shut off.

I hadn't thought about starting the fan when the A/C is switched on, thanks! I need to do that. It is started by grounding the control wire so I can figure that out. I've got power to the fan all the time to let it run after the engine is shut off. My son agreed to that. I just need to make sure leaving the A/C switch doesn't run the fan eternally.

I was planning on getting 40 amp diodes because a burned out diode is just not what you want and they are so cheap.

Thanks for the thoughtful advice!

Your switch repair is just the coolest but then again everything that happens around your place is pretty cool.

Vince

Kind words are always so appreciated.

Taking the calves to the sale today so I may not get any shed time.

 

[86turbodsl]

I have a small square IH #46 baler. I don't use it much although my wife prefers the small squares for the horses. Lately i've been purchasing large rounds to feed them and i like not handling. Tractors with bale forks are typical now.

Interesting history! Thanks!

 

[Slowbuilder]

I learned in college that electricity is really a thin vapor that travels through the wires. Letting the smoke out usually leaves too little for the device to work. I did not know replacement smoke was available, however. Not surprisingly it's Lucas.

How do you put it in? Is that the deal with mirrors?



I used to solder everything, including into bare crimp connectors for rings and blades (no forks, thank you). But it seems everything I come across is full of crimp connectors so I have fallen in with a bad crowd, now I'm doing it. But I try not to splice, wire is too cheap and cars are too small to splice unless you just can't pull the wire.



Routing the wire is about my biggest pet peeve. It seems in this car all the wires are crossed and twisted. I think some of them were intentionally routed around others to hold them up. I'm going to undo as much of that as I can.

But I may not do too much as I'm homing in on completion. I've pulled out a little wire.

Tracing down wires I did find a hidden push button to unlock the electric door locks if the remote is not working. It's corroded but seems like a good idea to replace it.

I finally gave in and started taking the A/C unit apart. I found this adjustable thermostat behind a shroud. Capillary tube goes into the unit so I presume it is a compressor cutout when the setting is satisfied.

It has a counterclockwise detent and I thought it was not working until I turned it almost full clockwise and the contacts closed. It has lots of capillary and a nice knob on the far side so I think I'll mount it where it can be adjusted. It was crammed into the space under the fan.

Still can't get continuity through some of the switches so I pulled the switch plate out.

Thought I'd buy some cheap replacements but what I've found so far are NOS around $100 each. I think these will be disassembled and cleaned first.

I did find an unused resistor in the ceramic holder used to drop ignition voltage to 6v so it's been here since someone converted the 6v car to 12v. That was probably with the original engine a while back. Like 50 years. The ignition was run to and from the same terminal so when they went to 12v ignition that was the easy solution. I think the entire ignition wire is going to get replaced and won't be run across the car and wrapped around the air conditioner unit before exiting through the firewall. With a splice for the gauges and a splice for an unused service, probably the first A/C supply.

If the resistor in the ceramic holder looks something like https://www.holley.com/products/ign...MIr8Tn9LXI3gIVDNRkCh3IXAdTEAQYAiABEgKBDfD_BwE, then it likely was a ballast resistor used with many points-type ignition systems to drop the "running" voltage across the points to 8 volts or so in an 12v system. The full 12 volts was only needed for start-up (thus the power lead from the solenoid to the coil); dropping it to 8v or so decreased or delayed burning the points. Many GM cars used a resistive wire (which was embedded in the wiring harness) instead of the discrete resistor, so it's not obvious that it's there.

Glenn

 

[Toothaker]

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I think I'll set up a vacuum pump to simulate engine vacuum and make sure everything works as it should before I put stuff back together.

Thanks for looking in!

Looking great, Andy. I really enjoy following along.

Can you show the vacuum pump setup? I'll need something like this in the future.

 

[Sifan]

Mid 70's-mid 80's they had machines that loose stacked the hay into cubes that were ~10'wide x 10'tall x 15'long can't remember specific name for it. labor saving for handling small bales was offset by the cost of stack mover wagon and had to be very creative with gates around the stacks otherwise livestock would pull hay down and use it for bedding rather than feed.

 

[oldironfarmer]

I have a small square IH #46 baler. I don't use it much although my wife prefers the small squares for the horses. Lately i've been purchasing large rounds to feed them and i like not handling. Tractors with bale forks are typical now.

Interesting history! Thanks!

I used an IH 430 for years but went over to the dark side and have a JD 347. I like handling one square bale a day.

If the resistor in the ceramic holder looks something like https://www.holley.com/products/ign...MIr8Tn9LXI3gIVDNRkCh3IXAdTEAQYAiABEgKBDfD_BwE, then it likely was a ballast resistor used with many points-type ignition systems to drop the "running" voltage across the points to 8 volts or so in an 12v system. The full 12 volts was only needed for start-up (thus the power lead from the solenoid to the coil); dropping it to 8v or so decreased or delayed burning the points. Many GM cars used a resistive wire (which was embedded in the wiring harness) instead of the discrete resistor, so it's not obvious that it's there.

Glenn

That's the one, the same thing we use on tractors to cut the voltage when you add a 12v battery. I've never seen that style except as an add-on. The resistor wire has confused lots of unsuspecting guys. same thing with a 6v coil marked 12v. I've never really needed the 12v kick, I started when everything was 6v + ground and it all started just fine.

Looking great, Andy. I really enjoy following along.

Can you show the vacuum pump setup? I'll need something like this in the future.

I really am glad to have you visit.

I'll gladly show the vacuum pump setup as I invent it. Vacuum pumps ****.

Mid 70's-mid 80's they had machines that loose stacked the hay into cubes that were ~10'wide x 10'tall x 15'long can't remember specific name for it. labor saving for handling small bales was offset by the cost of stack mover wagon and had to be very creative with gates around the stacks otherwise livestock would pull hay down and use it for bedding rather than feed.

I think those loose stacks are usually called modules. I've seen them in Colorado, some big equipment to retrieve them and move them. Livestock need good bedding...

Thanks for the visits and comments, guys.

About all I got done today was running around and taking calves to the sale. I loaded nine calves in the trailer, five steers in front of the gate and four heifers behind the gate.

The gate keeps them from bunching up and causing load distribution problems. But with a 14 ft trailer they're packed too tight to fall down. Takes a while to load alone if you're a novice.

You can see all five in front of the gate. first one is facing right, second is facing left, you can barely see his ear, third is facing right, he has his head down but you can see his neck, fourth one is facing left, you can see his ear and his rump in front to the fifth one's face at the right.

And tomorrow I have to make a mad dash to Missouri to load up my son in law's car and bring him and the vacationing family back. We determined it's too wide for the Bobcat trailer so I'm renting a U-Haul car trailer. Safe and easy. I'm even borrowing a car so all six of them can ride in comfort.

 

[BBChevro]

The old square bales are better for sitting on than the big round ones.

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[BBChevro]

... and they work better as scaffolding too. [emoji106]

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[oldironfarmer]

The old square bales are better for sitting on than the big round ones.

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... and they work better as scaffolding too. [emoji106]

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Wise words from a far!

we had our first real freeze of the year, some light frosts but this morning 17F (-8C), that's a frost!

 

[drivesitfar]

Andy: thanks again for going above and beyond to answer my questions cause I really had no idea why those huge hay bales wrapped in white plastic (visqueene) would sit out in the fields for.

so I'm guessing during the winter the farmer goes out and pulls off the plastic off a huge bale to let his herd chew on it til it's gone and then opens up a new one and does that all winter to feed the herd?

sounds like the wiring is coming along nicely and remember to wave at my daughter and son in law when you get to Missouri. they now have a herd of cats (4) to keep them happy while they are waiting for his next station. seriously best of luck on the trip and do you take your wife on long trips like that or does she stay home with your daughter for a few days?

sorry to hear you are sending your little ones down the road, but I know you'll use the check wisely to buy more stuff you can show us how to use.

cheers and enjoy your SATURDAY!!

 

[Hubscrub66]

Nice job on the car, I like wireing but I hate electrical problems lol.

 

[jblnut]

Andy: thanks again for going above and beyond to answer my questions cause I really had no idea why those huge hay bales wrapped in white plastic (visqueene) would sit out in the fields for.

so I'm guessing during the winter the farmer goes out and pulls off the plastic off a huge bale to let his herd chew on it til it's gone and then opens up a new one and does that all winter to feed the herd?

Most commonly the bales that are totally wrapped in plastic looking like giant marshmallows are refereed to up here as "wet bales" or "baleage". The moisture content in these bales is higher than the non plastic wrapped bales and the plastic helps the bales ferment and they turn into a very high quality feed stuff. A lot of dairy farms use them in their ration for a number of reasons. The hay can be baled wetter so you don't have to plan as much for dry weather. The feed quality is higher because the hay is wetter when it is bales so less leaves fall off.

Often the bales fed in the winter out in open lots in bale feeders are dry hay. The "wet bales" can freeze like little bricks and it can be tough for the cattle to eat them without bring processed first.

In the 1990's large square balers came out, designed to fit well on highway trucks, and they are the choice for large haying operations because round bales don't fit well on a semi trailer. They cost $35,000 and up. Way up.

We looked into a new large square baler for operation and they are north of $150,000. A new round baler that would easily suit our needs is upwards of $50,000

 

[shortykorte]

The old square bales are better for sitting on than the big round ones.

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And making straw bale houses.


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[oldironfarmer]

Andy: thanks again for going above and beyond to answer my questions cause I really had no idea why those huge hay bales wrapped in white plastic (visqueene) would sit out in the fields for.

so I'm guessing during the winter the farmer goes out and pulls off the plastic off a huge bale to let his herd chew on it til it's gone and then opens up a new one and does that all winter to feed the herd?

sounds like the wiring is coming along nicely and remember to wave at my daughter and son in law when you get to Missouri. they now have a herd of cats (4) to keep them happy while they are waiting for his next station. seriously best of luck on the trip and do you take your wife on long trips like that or does she stay home with your daughter for a few days?

sorry to hear you are sending your little ones down the road, but I know you'll use the check wisely to buy more stuff you can show us how to use.

cheers and enjoy your SATURDAY!!

Jlbnut took care of the hay question, my wife elected to stay home as it would have been a very hard day for her. Her sister volunteered to make sure everything was taken care of. Nothing seemed to be going the right way so I wound up renting a U-Haul car carrying trailer and it went fine behind the Suburban (actually a GMC Yukon).

I got the trailer returned and hit the house at 9:30 so I was gone just 13 hours.

Raising cattle is actually a business. And calves are the product, so I really don't mind taking them to town.

Nice job on the car, I like wiring but I hate electrical problems lol.

Thanks!

I don't even like wiring.

Most commonly the bales that are totally wrapped in plastic looking like giant marshmallows are refereed to up here as "wet bales" or "baleage". The moisture content in these bales is higher than the non plastic wrapped bales and the plastic helps the bales ferment and they turn into a very high quality feed stuff. A lot of dairy farms use them in their ration for a number of reasons. The hay can be baled wetter so you don't have to plan as much for dry weather. The feed quality is higher because the hay is wetter when it is bales so less leaves fall off.

Often the bales fed in the winter out in open lots in bale feeders are dry hay. The "wet bales" can freeze like little bricks and it can be tough for the cattle to eat them without bring processed first.

We looked into a new large square baler for operation and they are north of $150,000. A new round baler that would easily suit our needs is upwards of $50,000

And we call them hayledge. Regardless it's a form of silage.

I'm so glad your needs are larger than my needs.

And making straw bale houses.

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My uncles never appreciated the hay forts we'd build in the mow. When they fell through.

As I mentioned we had an 18 degree morning with everything still green. My pecan started shedding all it's leaves.

I've not seen this before.

The tree got caught with green leaves.

 

[drivesitfar]

Andy: did you take a picture of somebody else's car on your trailer or did you purple car's upgrade you did to it make it look like a car 70 years newer.

I used to do those long road trips a few times a week and lately just one takes me a day or two to recover. hope you are feeling ok and i'm guessing your son was a happy camper?

enjoy your day and it sure feels like a SATURDAY to me.

cheers

 

[Vieux]

Andy you're a cool car electrician!

 

[Guster]

As I mentioned we had an 18 degree morning with everything still green. My pecan started shedding all it's leaves.

I've not seen this before.

The tree got caught with green leaves.

Has it been dry and hot leading up to fall?

 

[Farmall450]

That's a good looking Yukon XL. Glad to see the long day went well.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Andy: did you take a picture of somebody else's car on your trailer or did you purple car's upgrade you did to it make it look like a car 70 years newer.

I used to do those long road trips a few times a week and lately just one takes me a day or two to recover. hope you are feeling ok and i'm guessing your son was a happy camper?

enjoy your day and it sure feels like a SATURDAY to me.

cheers

I did 13 hours and slept well. No after affects!

Andy you're a cool car electrician!

Thanks, Vladimir!!

Has it been dry and hot leading up to fall?

We actually had a cool wet summer. I think they were caught off guard. Dry July and August and October are our norm.

That's a good looking Yukon XL. Glad to see the long day went well.

Thanks! It was a nice car. Too fancy for me, but it made the trip. Has automatic leveling air bags when you load it. Most of the other fancy stuff is wasted on me. My daughter's car was heavier than I expected. We all had a nice visit.

Thanks for stopping by!

 

[shortykorte]

Andy, since you like red, thought you would appreciate this picture of my grandpa on his Nebraska farm.


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[oldironfarmer]

Thanks, Shorty! I do like that. Looks like a 560 or maybe a 460. Harrow looks too big for a 460. Do you remember?

Regardless, thanks for posting that!

 

[XJSuperman]

Appears to be a "4" when I zoom in on the picture Andy. Neat pic.

 

[drivesitfar]

Andy: for one thing I've never owned a car or SUV that big and comfortable like your GMC, but happy to hear you survived without any side effects cause that's a long day on the road. sorry I thought you were delivering the PURPLE CAR to your son and looks like you were delivering a newer maroon car to your daughter.

is it about time to melt a little bit of metal again or are you still working on the PURPLE CAR?

enjoy your day

 

[shortykorte]

Thanks, Shorty! I do like that. Looks like a 560 or maybe a 460. Harrow looks too big for a 460. Do you remember?



Regardless, thanks for posting that!

I don’t remember, I was probably 7-8 yrs old. Lol. Zooming in, it is a 460. Good call.


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[oldironfarmer]

Appears to be a "4" when I zoom in on the picture Andy. Neat pic.

Thanks! Those were pretty good tractors.

Andy: for one thing I've never owned a car or SUV that big and comfortable like your GMC, but happy to hear you survived without any side effects cause that's a long day on the road. sorry I thought you were delivering the PURPLE CAR to your son and looks like you were delivering a newer maroon car to your daughter.

is it about time to melt a little bit of metal again or are you still working on the PURPLE CAR?

enjoy your day

I borrowed the Yukon from a friend. My daughter and son in law were stranded 4 hours away with transmission problems. There were six of them and I needed a big car to carry all six plus their car. We got it home safely and it's now at a shop waiting for a transmission computer to fix the problem.

It's way past time to melt metal. I've stalled out on the purple car. We've had several nights in the teens and had a rent house freeze and the stock tank at the barn needed work. Looks like we're already into the busy holiday season.

I don’t remember, I was probably 7-8 yrs old. Lol. Zooming in, it is a 460. Good call.

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Thanks for posting it. My mom's dad had an H and M (I have his M) and he sold an F-14 to my dad's dad before they were married (I have it) and my dad had an M. So I had a good start on IH tractors early on.

All the tractors from the late 30's and 40's were good reliable tractors. They were designed when reliability was a major issue and companies were striving to make tractors last. In the 50's and 60's it was a horsepower race, then cheap cheap in the 70's and 80's. My newest one is 1957 450D.

Thanks for stopping in, guys.

 

[oldironfarmer]

I'm behind! Earlier I made some parts for my new muller. A muller crushes and smears green sand under a wheel to mull it (condition it). The sweeps were worn out.

So I made a new sweep (pictured) and a new wall scraper.

Here it is installed, with the sliding trap door you unload the sand through.

Here's where the wheel contacts the wall. The internals rotate.

Overall view. The motor on top drives everything through a gear box.

And lastly, set up to dump back in the heap (when the lid is off)

This should make repeat castings quicker instead of hand mulling the sand.

Thanks for stopping by!

 

[djones1a]

So... You got a machine to take my job? Lol Looks good!

 

[1/2 Cup]

Looking good Andy

 

[Farmall450]

So... You got a machine to take my job? Lol Looks good!

You're not the first person to say that!

 

[BUGTHUG]

So Andy, I was up in Wichita at one of my favorite places to buy weird cool stuff. Its called "The Yard Store" it made me think of you with all the billion pounds of aircraft aluminum scrap and new material. Have you been there? If not, it would be like Disney World for you. They get all the scrap stuff from the four or five aircraft companies, man they have everything . Will try and take a picture next time I go up there. I really need to pay you a visit soon, always seems like something comes up. Say in the next 2 or 3 weeks, when might be a good time ? send me a PM, maybe JB might want to come along?

 

[Grizz1963]

So... You got a machine to take my job? Lol Looks good!

I just had to laugh, that was exactly what went through my head here.


Modernisation, and no concern for the worker.


Dennis sifting the green sand over the pattern before compacting it in a three step process, followed by scrapping flat, turning over and removing the negative pattern carefully.
In this process grains of sand can make a difference in outcome.



Good looking machine Andy.

 

[jbmatth]

So Andy, I was up in Wichita at one of my favorite places to buy weird cool stuff. Its called "The Yard Store" it made me think of you with all the billion pounds of aircraft aluminum scrap and new material. Have you been there? If not, it would be like Disney World for you. They get all the scrap stuff from the four or five aircraft companies, man they have everything . Will try and take a picture next time I go up there. I really need to pay you a visit soon, always seems like something comes up. Say in the next 2 or 3 weeks, when might be a good time ? send me a PM, maybe JB might want to come along?

Herb,
I've never heard of that place or have forgotten about it. I have all of next week off and every Friday until Christmas so if Andy doesn't mind us inviting ourselves over any of those days work for me.

Andy nice repair and the cross member is in the mail along with some other gifts. I only have $50 worth of insurance on it which would cover the materials but I have probably $200 in labor at my going rate at work, or -$3.18 if it was overtime hours.

JB

 

[drivesitfar]

Andy: that sand machine looks like something that will make your life a bit easier so you can get more metal poured and more cool stuff made. WELL DONE!!

so the guys that stop by don't feel like you just took their jobs away maybe you can hide that machine and let them do the sand casting by hand.

enjoy your day and guessing it's already started by feeding the 4 legged ones.

cheers