Between 705 & 1200 SQ/FT Cliff Mine Rd. My new 28x30 something.

[383 240z]

I'm using this thread to document my new project. I few days ago I negotiated the purchase of a chunk of dirt with some sort of living quarters on it. I picked up about an acre in a very convenient location.

I don't have the funds to build anything like the last shop I had. If anybody is interested you can read the thread here.
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=210570

I called the zoning office, I'm allowed 1000sqft without inspections. This works out well because there are features of the property I don't wish to change. A depth of 28' allows me to use standard trusses and gives me plenty of depth. To keep under 1000 sqft I have a maximum length of 35' I don't like the length not being divisible by 4, but I want to stay as close to my max size as I can.

I'm looking at 16' side walls to allow for a lift on the left side of the shop, the plan is for a mezzanine roughly 16' wide and 10' deep in the right rear corner. 12' x 10' door on the left and a 10' x 10' to the right of that. drawings to follow, just as soon as I finish drawing them.

I've reached out to a contractor to get an estimate on the framing, I'm scheduled to close on 10/30/2020

To be continued...

 

[NUTTSGT]

Looking forward to the upcoming build and glad to see you back posting.


Not to toss it off track but I'd walk into the zoning office and see if you can go with 36' as it's "just" over the 1K sq ft limit.

 

[383 240z]

Looking forward to the upcoming build and glad to see you back posting.

Thank you sir! It’s good to be back!

The area I want to use won’t hold a length of 36’.

I just got off the phone with the contractor. Looks like we are settling with a 28’ deep and 34’ wide and 16’ walls using 28’ trusses with a 1 foot overhang. (I have my reasons that will be explained later.)

 

[NUTTSGT]

28'x34' is a reasonable size. Add in the 16' side walls, that's great. Mezzanine in part of it ?


Oops, didn't look at the attachment

 

[383 240z]

Two quotes came back today. These are both for 28'x34'x16' buildings
First up, I got a pole barn style, built with Permacolumns. No ground prep. Bid is $28K no concrete. Or $29.41 per sq ft.

The second bid returned is for an all steel building, delivered and installed on my pad. Framed for doors but no doors installed. $15716.16 or $16.51 per sq ft.

I'm still waiting for a bid from a contractor I've used before, his quote will be for pole barn style. I should hear from him by Monday

 

[sean Buick 76]

Exciting!

 

[Treasure]

Did you consider 24x40?

 

[383 240z]

Did you consider 24x40?

Property won’t allow it.


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[383 240z]

Another quote for a steel building. I like this building much better. The first one ($16.51 a sq ft) felt like a large carport. Not ideal in my mind. This building is from General Steel. It comes in at $15290.00 delivered. That's $16.06 a sqft plus labor. They quoted me about $22k all in. Roughly $23.11 per sq ft. I don't think I can do a pole building for that.

 

[383 240z]

Well imagine my surprise!! Talked to my Amish builder buddy. The pole building I want, built with 6x6 laminated, glued, screwed and finger-jointed beams, drip proof metal roof and metal sides, framed for doors and a man door, all on the eave wall will run me $20800. $21.85 per sq ft.

This doesn't include the concrete work, or the doors. Build time is estimated at a week.
Now I have to sketch the building location on a copy of the survey and take in to the borough for the permit ($25)

 

[Doug19]

Curious on you location so I can get an idea of pricing. Also I live on a Cliff Mine Rd.

 

[383 240z]

Curious on you location so I can get an idea of pricing. Also I live on a Cliff Mine Rd.

Small world!! Ill shoot you a PM.

 

[383 240z]

Another Amish builder got back to me last night. His offer came in 3 flavors.

Shell, doors and 160 sq ft. mezzanine for $24,100 (952+160 sq ft @ $21.67 per)
Shell and mezzanine (No doors) for $22,250
Shell only for $18,250 (952 sq ft @ $19.17 per)

I have a call scheduled after work to discuss this building. I want laminated posts, not solid 6x6's, trusses set 4' OC and drip proof metal for the roof and the doors to run up the wall, not to go up and turn 90* and block my overhead lights.

 

[383 240z]

After talking with the last builder I think I found my guy!! I was not understanding his quote, I thought he was calling the mezzanine a "floor". I was very happy to find out that I was very wrong!! His price included a 4" concrete floor and Wayne Dalton 9100 series insulated doors.

After our conversation on Friday. I asked him to quote the same building with laminated 6x6 posts, 6" concrete with 12" sections under the lift pads, and the vertical lift doors. I can't wait to hear the new number. He gave me the address of a few buildings he did in my area. Saturday I went and looked at a few. I was happy to say they were built right and even though the oldest was only 10 years old it still looked very nice and straight.
I just need a final price and I'm ready to sign a contract and put down a deposit.

I was on site Sunday. It looks like I will need to build a small retaining wall in once section, do a little grading to get the ground ready and I will put in a little extra drainage while I am at it.

I'm also going to add an extra 3 yards of concrete to the order. I want to form a 12x20 pad for an extra storage building. I have a 10x20 shed that I've been using for storage at my relatives place. Instead of moving it, I think I would rather build another shed and use it for either lawn equipment or a small woodworking shop.


I'd say big progress this weekend!.

 

[383 240z]

So I reached a deal. Here is the rundown and payment schedule.

A 28x34 building with 16' sidewalls with 6" 4000psi steel reinforced concrete floor (12" thick near the lift posts). Wayne Dalton 9100 series insulated doors, Tyvek wrapped pole building. Steel siding and roof. Contractor to grade and compact building site. I am to provide the building permit ($25) and gravel for the base. Total $25,500

Payment schedule is:
$3000 at contract signing.
$5000 one week before trusses arrive.
$6000 once framing is complete and trusses are set.
$4000 once roof and siding are finished.
$5000 once concrete is finished.
$2500 on completion.

It is a lot more than I would have spent if I did the bulk of the labor, but I will be built and ready for wiring, gutters, insulation and interior finishing.

While they are delivering the concrete, I am going to frame up a 12'x20' 4" pad placed as a floor for an additional storage shed.

I am going to leave my brand new 10'x20' storage shed with my relatives. I'll build the little shed to match the shop. This will be my wood shop, lawn equipment storage area.

 

[383 240z]

It's a sad day. I lost 4' off of the shop last night. The contractor came for a better site inspection. He decided that the property will not allow for a 34' building. Soil and excavation issues are the limiting factor.

I would have to build one hell of a retaining wall if I shift the building to the left. He was worried about building too close to the edge (sharp drop off) if I try to keep building out to the right. A 34' building will technically fit, it does not allow for room to build, space for ladders and men on that side to work safely. Oh well. The money saved will help cover the cost of the electrical work.
I decided to go with two 9x8 doors, I think that will make the front of the building look better. I picked the siding and trim colors to match the house.

Oh well, life goes on.

 

[383 240z]

Well my closing date had to get pushed back a week. Not a big deal there, I still have my apartment through December.
The good news is I have a delivery date for my trusses!! They should be on site Nov. 21!!

I cant wait to see poles going in the ground!

 

[NUTTSGT]

It's progress, maybe not want you wanted to hear but it's better than what some have.

 

[383 240z]

I'm very aware of that fact NUTTSGT. I am very thankful for the gifts I have in my life.

 

[383 240z]

Spent the last week working in the property. I got the entire first floor repainted, fixed a few small issues and then turned my attention to the outside.

The shed that was there is removed, same as the gazebo, and the stone patio. I’ll bring in a skid steer today and get to leveling for the shop. I’m thankful that some of my dearest friends will be over today to throw some boxes in pickup trucks at the apartment and drive them over to the house. Pics to follow!!!

 

[383 240z]

Here is what I started with

 

[383 240z]

I tore down the shed, pulled up the patio (saved the blocks for another project) and took down the trellis/swing thing.

Then I brought in a skid steer...

 

[383 240z]

Now I have a pad/build site. Then I got a truck load of parts...

 

[383 240z]

Trusses showed up, then December came. We got a few inches of snow, I decided to take advantage of this delay. I'm bringing in a mini excavator this weekend to grade the hillside some more, cut a few drainage trenches, and put in the wells for the lift pads. More pics to follow...

 

[383 240z]

Last week i brought the mini excavator over for some more digging. The left wall needed to go back some and the skid steer just couldn't do it. so here is what I ended up with after a few hours of playing Tonka trucks.

 

[racer-john]

Better fell that tree before it causes problems.

 

[383 240z]

It's on the list of things to deal with

 

[Riley]

How's it coming along? I'd imagine you have some sort of retention planed for the newly excavated side of the building, care to share?

 

[383 240z]

The retaining wall is engineered into the building. Tongue and groove 2x8's will be mounted to the outside of the posts, the dirt will be free to fall against those. It's mostly shale on the hill. It was a ***** to dig out with the skid loader and mini excavator. I am going to be working on that tree this week. I got a quote of $1400 just to get it on the ground. I'm going to pass and take care of it myself.

I have also been dealing with some contractor issues.

You can read about them here,

https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=473072

 

[383 240z]

No real progress due to weather and contractor issues.

It's supposed to be kinda decent this weekend weather wise, I'm hoping I can find a decent sized chipper/shredder and get that brush cleaned up, get the logs moved and split for firewood. I need to start getting that area back in shape and getting the site cleared.

I'm hoping to order the posts and get some holes in the ground by late April. Looks like I'm doing this one myself. Just once I'd like to be able to write a check and have things go as planned. I really should have done more legwork to vet this guy. Damn shop should have been done by now.

 

[383 240z]

I spent last night and part of today cleaning and clearing. I rented a big chipper/shredder to take care of all the smaller stuff. I also chipped up the fence posts. There was a large garden area when I moved in, most of that has been pulled down and dealt with.

I need to build a small retaining wall then I can level that area, while I have the skid steer on site, I will put holes in the ground, set the posts, add my headers, and put up the trusses. Then put the metal roof up.

That will at least get my rafters under cover, and get this project back on a forward path. After that, order up a skid of 2x4's and start setting purlins.

 

[383 240z]

Everybody likes pics!

 

[383 240z]

Lumber quotes came back this morning and I'm pleasantly surprised. Higher than I hoped but not as bad as I feared. Skid steer with an auger is ready to head to the site. Looks like I'll be putting in survey flags for the posts, placing the lumber order as soon as I can get the money moved into to checking account.

I'm going with the laminated posts in gravel filled holes over setting the posts on concrete piers.

 

[383 240z]

My lumber should be delivered on Friday!!!

 

[383 240z]

Damn scope creep!! I decided to do the patio area while I have the skid steer on the property again. So that means a small retaining wall from block needs to be built, a new pad for the hot tub (and the girl wants a pergola over the tub) and a little ground leveling.

That was easy, just a few 8" concrete block, some #10 (1-1/4") rebar pinning it to the ground that were filed with Sackrete. I'll put some cobble stone on top of it to dress it up some, and fill the void with soil to bring it up to level.

The lumber company called, so I ran home from work and inspected the lumber delivery. Now I guess I really have to get working. Saturday I will be laying out the post locations while my buddy deals with my patio situation. I've got a place set up to burn all the small sticks and things left over from the tree cleanup and wind storms of today. I have 5 tons of crushed limestone set up to be delivered for back filling the post holes. Picking up some pavers to set in the bottom of the post holes as a base to keep the posts from sinking over time.

 

[383 240z]

Because we all love pics

 

[NUTTSGT]

I hate to think what the stack of lumber cost. Weather is breaking, be ready to go full force.

 

[383 240z]

I hate to think what the stack of lumber cost. Weather is breaking, be ready to go full force.

Just short of $5k. Skid steer is all set. Should be drilling holes after work on Monday!!

 

[joey1320]

I don't know anything so take my comment at face value but I would think you'll have water issues as all the water coming from the hill will pool up against your wall. I know you said the retaining wall was going to be built onto the building but to me, again I'm a *****, it seems like a bad idea.

A retaining wall and french drain leading water away from the building would be on my "To do" list.

 

[383 240z]

The ground here is very Rocky and drains extremely well.
I had water issues at my last place, I won’t be having them again! I have a water drainage plan in place.

French drains will route water from the hillside wall around the back of the shop to the down hill side then down towards the street.

It’s raining here today. I’m going to watch for any puddling or pooling in other areas so I can add them to my drain system. Good observation and thank you!