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bdkruger1

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They're the damn fools that chose to build in somebody's backyard. I'm starting to notice this more often in the area I live due to farmers selling off ag land. Everytime I see it I wonder why the people building would want to have someone else's back porch as their "view".More often than not I have to believe that the folks that buy these lots just are not thinking ahead. It's kind of like buying or building a house next to a gunclub then bitching about the noise. DUH!
 
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May I suggest this vent for your neighbors viewing pleasure when you build your paint booth -

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Ha! HaR! Gasp! Gasp! plop! Almost fell off my chair!That is going to make my week.Love it LOL!:beer:Har!
 

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As long as you not doing anything illegal, then they can go fork themselves or move...or both!!
My buddies neighbor made him cut the corner of his garage to keep it within the setbacks after the contarctor laid it out wrong and put it too close. They where too far allong to move the garage, so the asked for a variance from the county. County said no problem if the neighbor agrees - she didn't.....he know has a "security light" on the corner of the garage which stays on all the time shining right in her back windows......
 

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Ha! HaR! Gasp! Gasp! plop! Almost fell off my chair!That is going to make my week.Love it LOL!:beer:Har!

you need to read the entire article/web page dedicated to it. The guy was having lots of problems with the city and the people in his neighborhood. Cost him alot of extra money, so he installed that vent with an artistic view of cactus....many in the neighborhood thought it was a single finger salute:bounce:

Im sure someone here knows the link
 

mbriggs993

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Having similar issues with my build and neighbor. She has involved the city, developer and anyone she can think of to make this difficult. I had to pay to have the site surveyed twice because she got the city so paranoid about the setback. All of the subs are scared of her. She got the city to issue a stop work order if I didn't sweep some dirt off the sidewalk. She was very supportive of us building a garage until we actually started. The only thing I could have done differently is to move it way back in my yard but that would have taken up way more space and made my yard unusable. I figure that is why we have prescribed setbacks and given those setbacks I have tried to minimize it as much as possible. Last week they put out a for sale sign. I can only hope they find a nice buyer. :)
 
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dougmac

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Having similar issues with my build and neighbor. She has involved the city, developer and anyone she can think of to make this difficult. I had to pay to have the site surveyed twice because she got the city so paranoid about the setback. All of the subs are scared of her. She got the city to issue a stop work order if I didn't sweep some dirt off the sidewalk. She was very supportive of us building a garage until we actually started. The only thing I could have done differently is to move it way back in my yard but that would have taken up way more space and made my yard unusable. I figure that is why we have prescribed setbacks and given those setbacks I have tried to minimize it as much as possible. Last week they put out a for sale sign. I can only hope they find a nice buyer. :)

My neighbors tried using the county to stop my construction but didn't get very far. Luckily, in my county you need to have a legal objection before the county will interfere. I did everything by the book and was very cooperative with the building department and had no problems there.

Ok .... here is the layout. You can see what a bad deal this was for them.....

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Here is an overhead.....

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Here is what I was proposing to prevent from having the shop right in their front windows. This would have required an easement on their driveway. They refused to even consider it and decided fighting was the best way to handle it.....

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So, why couldn't you have built it where you had it pictured using their driveway, using your driveway? It looks like you built it the way you did just to be an *******.
 

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So, why couldn't you have built it where you had it pictured using their driveway, using your driveway? It looks like you built it the way you did just to be an *******.

If he had built it in the other corner, where the red vehicle is parked in the overhead shot, it would have only a one lane drive into one bay of the building, access to the other bay would have been impossible, not enough room to turn into it, and no "ramp" space outside to move stuff around and in and out.

The neighbors should have figured out the lay of the property before they bought, I'll bet they got the place cheap. It is not dougmac's fault that they bought a house with the living room window looking right into his back yard.

As he already noted, they refused to discuss his use of their driveway, so that was out.

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A bit of an odd layout for the neighbor...by that I mean it's odd that they don't own the land in front of their house....

So basically, you were willing to put the garage over in the other corner if they would let you use part of their driveway?

Currently, you are accessing the garage with your existing drive....why couldn't you have just changed the access to the garage to use the existing drive?

But then again...it's your yard.....I can see why there are pissed....but, not real smart in putting the window overlooking your yard......so he basically created his own problem....
 
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dougmac

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So, why couldn't you have built it where you had it pictured using their driveway, using your driveway? It looks like you built it the way you did just to be an *******.

The rear yard is has about a 6' drop from front to rear and there wasn't room enough between the deck and the front doors to get good access to the shop.

There was a driveway right there that solved the problem completely. Working out an easement agreement seemed like a reasonable solution to me.

I guess the real question is ... who's problem is the stupid location of this house? Is it all my responsibility resolve or do they have some stake in seeking a solution to the problem this presents?
 
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Well, they obviously had a dose of the dummies for buying a house on a rear lot like that. With that said, I can see their point in not wanting to grant an easement. You could drag a bunch of oil leakers in and out at all hours of the night. Plus, having that kind of an encumbrance on their title might make their house unsellable. Then again, having your shop in their front window might not be much of a selling point, either.You might also regret building that shop in their front window, it's amazing the amount of nonsense someone can put you through if they really want to. If they started calling the law on you every time you made a noise the responding officers might look at where you built the shop and figure that you need lessons on the difference between can and should.
 

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man your shop is bigger than their house! I cant blame the neighbors for not liking their new view, but they bought property right in the center of several other properties.....and someone else mentioned Im sure it was much cheaper than yours.

And it looks like they could have built their house farther back on their property, turned it, or could of agreed to the easment. They didnt, its not your problem.

Personally I would kind of like the additional privacy I gained by you putting your shop there.


Does their yard turn to a giant swamp land when it rains because of all the run off from your driveway and shop?
 

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dougmac - My parents own a home that's situated just like yours. Before they bought it, the guy they bought it from, wanted to split the property almost exactly like yours is. They really wanted the house, and didn't need a huge yard (they're retired), so the yagreed. The guy who originally owned it, built a house in the back (like your neighbor's). Fortunately, they've never had any problems with the folks who ended up buying the house in the back. I guess it's ok for some, but I'd never want to live in someone else's backyard.


I just watched a show about two neighbors in CA who couldn't get along. I can't for the life of me remember the names now but one family (husband/wife) ended of getting shot by the old guy next door. Point being, these neighbor things can get way out of hand.

I saw that too!
It was on late at night, and I stumbled onto it. Funny thing was, I had been in Monterey California, for work back in April, and that's real close to where that happened.
The sad part is, it sounds like both families were pretty sensible and reasonable (all else considered), but it just got out of control. Both home-owners were in their early 60's (IIRC). One was a retired professor, and the other was maybe a retired small-business owner. Basically, not white-trash. Things just got out of hand over several months.

Anh this sort of thing probably happens frequently across the US. Too bad, because we put so much into our homes and property. It's always best to work things out, but sometimes it's difficult.
 
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Tough situation. Your neighbour just has a **** lot. Did they use to complain if you didn't mow 'their' front lawn soon enough? What do they do with the snow from their driveway?
 
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Tough situation. Your neighbour just has a **** lot. Did they use to complain if you didn't mow 'their' front lawn soon enough? What do they do with the snow from their driveway?

It was a tough situation ..... in the end no agreement was reached. At that point I needed to either move forward or abandon the project. I choose to move forward. I don't know if that is the choice that everyone would have made....
 

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My Dad always said to leave things lie like you would a fresh dog turd. The more you stir in one, the more it will stink. Left alone long enough, it will dry up and disappear.


Great Idea !! Put a dog run behind the shop,only clean it up every other monday! Then put the exhaust fan fron your spray booth in the center of the back wall.Do most of your "painting" when there is a party back there!

edit) if his wife or daughter comes over to complain DO her real quick before the fumes wear off and she remembers!
 
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Wow. I'm bookmarking this page so I have a good example of why you should be nice to your neighbors--make them mad and they might build a garage on your front porch. :)

The 3-car I'm currently building backs up to my neighbor's back porch because he's got a dog-lot, too. But we have 25' setbacks so he's 50 feet away from my shop. Even so, I introduced myself and showed him the plans and site before I broke ground. He was super nice about it and said "it's your property, do what you want" and thanked me for even considering his opinion.
 
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It was a tough situation ..... in the end no agreement was reached. At that point I needed to either move forward or abandon the project. I choose to move forward. I don't know if that is the choice that everyone would have made....

It's not your fault that they don't have the land to protect encroachement from other landowners. You tried to work it out, and their solution was for you to leave your land vacant for their benefit. Not an option. You built a very nice looking building, and they should be happy just for that. Could have been a pre-fad metal building with no landscaping....

You did it right..
 
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IMHO, the neighbor's builder should have sited that house in a much different orientation. I would have seen that short shot from the front window to a back fence as a problem right quick. Expecting a neighboring property to stay clear or never see changes or improvements is just sticking your head in the sand. I would always look and say "what if there was a ... right there...".
 

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LMAO!. You are my hero for sticking it to them :lol_hitti

My neighbors tried using the county to stop my construction but didn't get very far. Luckily, in my county you need to have a legal objection before the county will interfere. I did everything by the book and was very cooperative with the building department and had no problems there.

Ok .... here is the layout. You can see what a bad deal this was for them.....

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Here is an overhead.....

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Here is what I was proposing to prevent from having the shop right in their front windows. They refused to even consider it and decided fighting was the best way to handle it.....

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While you did stick to the book, I have to admit if I were those neighbors I'd be ****** pissed too...
 

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I say paint some kind of mural on the side facing their window. Find out if they like Alaskan Winters or Mexican Summers and paint accordingly..
 

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Another plus for you is you now have some privacy in your backyard with out them staring at you from their living room.
 

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Also I think your design is a lot better than your proposed comprimise. If they had more than two cars in their driveway you have a tough time getting in and out of your shop.
 

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why could you not have positioned it the way you had originally planned and ran your driveway right next to theirs? you would have lost a few trees but for your long term happiness it would have been a good deal I think. what you have done, granted they were complicit in it happening, but basically it looks like they are screwed for all time. your garage is very nice and I am sure it is great for you, but they will hate it and you forever, and they will not likely be able to ever sell the place even if they wanted to move. I am not in your shoes so I don't know what all went in to your thinking but I think this is likely going to bite you sometime. I hope not. btw though that is a very nice shop.
 

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why could you not have positioned it the way you had originally planned and ran your driveway right next to theirs? you would have lost a few trees but for your long term happiness it would have been a good deal I think. what you have done, granted they were complicit in it happening, but basically it looks like they are screwed for all time. your garage is very nice and I am sure it is great for you, but they will hate it and you forever, and they will not likely be able to ever sell the place even if they wanted to move. I am not in your shoes so I don't know what all went in to your thinking but I think this is likely going to bite you sometime. I hope not. btw though that is a very nice shop.

I totally agree, Karma is a *****! I hope you carry a lot of insurance on that pretty new garage.
 
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why could you not have positioned it the way you had originally planned and ran your driveway right next to theirs? you would have lost a few trees but for your long term happiness it would have been a good deal I think. what you have done, granted they were complicit in it happening, but basically it looks like they are screwed for all time. your garage is very nice and I am sure it is great for you, but they will hate it and you forever, and they will not likely be able to ever sell the place even if they wanted to move. I am not in your shoes so I don't know what all went in to your thinking but I think this is likely going to bite you sometime. I hope not. btw though that is a very nice shop.

It is very difficult to get a second driveway access so that wasn't a viable option.

Also...... I didn't like the idea of ripping out all of my trees and having driveways down both sides of my house. I felt like I had some responsibility to offer an alternative to placing the shop where I did. But, I also felt like they had some ownership in the problem because, from my point of view, if there had been some common sense used in the planing of their house, there would not have been a problem

Also I think your design is a lot better than your proposed comprimise. If they had more than two cars in their driveway you have a tough time getting in and out of your shop.

This is so true ...... my proposed plan to move the shop to keep from blocking their house was not near as desirable location for me.

It was a difficult decision and I agree with the karma thing.... I probably do have a black eye coming from the karma gods .......
 
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Hey Dougmac, at the end of the day it appears as though you did what you had to do. lol, If they give you any problems just install a 1,000,000 candle power motion sensor on the side facing their window. I can promise they will never go to the refrigerator in their underwear again for a late night drink!

Just never underestimate the element of surprise. It's a crazy world we live in and the times they are a changing...
 
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Hey Dougmac, at the end of the day it appears as though you did what you had to do. lol, If they give you any problems just install a 1,000,000 candle power motion sensor on the side facing their window. I can promise they will never go to the refrigerator in their underwear again for a late night drink!

Just never underestimate the element of surprise. It's a crazy world we live in and the times they are a changing...

I know it is fun to think of things to do to pay back folks that cause you problems ..... in fact I have a bunch that I have been tempted to do......

The truth is ...... this is a ****** deal and my intentions were never to cause problems. I understand their anger and really have no desire to cause them any more grief than my garage project already has .......
 

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if you put a ten foot wooden fence on the property line, it would cut their back yard in half, plus it drive them nuts not being able to see what your doing.
 

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I have to ask why the entire structure couldn't have been placed where the large concrete pad is now.. but with the front facing the back of you house? & I don't get why you would need access on the other side of you property when you already have a driveway going back there anyway?
 

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I know it is fun to think of things to do to pay back folks that cause you problems ..... in fact I have a bunch that I have been tempted to do......

The truth is ...... this is a ****** deal and my intentions were never to cause problems. I understand their anger and really have no desire to cause them any more grief than my garage project already has .......

just asking the question....looking at the overhead view, did you ever explore having the shop a little closer to your house (so moving the shop to the left)? that way the neighbor would have had more room in front and you would have more yard up where the red truck is parked.

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I have to ask why the entire structure couldn't have been placed where the large concrete pad is now.. but with the front facing the back of you house? & I don't get why you would need access on the other side of you property when you already have a driveway going back there anyway?

The main reason is that I would have not been able to get in to it.....

The property line is at the edge of the concrete..... so move 5 feet south of that for the building. The the shear wall on the side of the bay needs to be 3 feet wide.... so the opening of the door of the first bay would start 8 feet from the edge of the concrete. That means backing my trailer to the left and then back to the right to get it in the stall..... truck and trailer are combined 45 feet long. There would only be 30 feet from the deck to the front of the shop and I would have had to made a hard left turn in a 12 foot wide driveway. Then cut the trailer fully back to the right to get it in the bay. It would have been completely impossible.....

There are other reasons, but that one was the deal breaker.

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Does this make it clearer?

just asking the question....looking at the overhead view, did you ever explore having the shop a little closer to your house (so moving the shop to the left)? that way the neighbor would have had more room in front and you would have more yard up where the red truck is parked.

Concerns about being able to cut the trailer tight enough to get into the bay. Also concerns about the size of the back yard. I went from a 3 bay plan to a two bay plan because I didn't want to give up the yard space. that is one reason that the retaining wall arches into the driveway in front of the shop... to reduce the amount of yard that the shop takes up.
 
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They made the decision to build a house behind yours. Yours was there first so tough ******* for them. Some people just don't get it.
 

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I kind of think your garage looks nicer than their house. ***** to be them but they picked that land/house.
 
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