sneezer41
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Oh,loved the middle finger 'cactus' pic, so I looked it up:
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Combative Neighbors
- Thread starter dougmac
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787B
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If you read the original post, you would have seen the OP did. But it appears the neighbor did not.
Yes, yes he is. He played by the rules. Even tried to compromise. The neighbors attempted to punish him for playing by the rules and compromising, even though they are the ones who made the mistake.
You have an unusual opinion about property rights for an apparent resident of Texas, a state with a reputation for fierce (armed, even) defense of said rights. More often I hear Texans say that they don't think they have any business telling another citizen how to use their land if it's legal, and will aggressively defend their neighbor's rights to their land and to use it in any legal manner they wish. I think there was at least one war over such rights. "Remember the" something...
The whole situation just ***** for both parties. The OP had a dream of a nice garage like everyone here, and was able to obtain the land and finances to do just that. But once he is done it's far from over until the neighbors move, which is probably the only likely final solution. Even if the neighbors are ignored by the OP he will always have a unsettled bit of stress hidden inside that will keep him from enjoying the garage 100%.
OP:
What's ironic is that they had no desire to share the driveway access with you, but now they sure are pissed that they can't share the view across of your yard anymore. Guess they didn't look at it that way, that they were enjoying a nice green front yard that they didn't have to mow. Must have been nice while it lasted.
But I do feel for the neighbor 'some' as WOW your garage is right on their front porch. Damn. But that's spec home builders for ya, they know if they build a house on any leftover shitball piece of a lot and someone will buy it.
And I can also understand why they wouldn't want to sign over right of way shared access from their drive, they don't know what the future flow of vehicles may entail thru there. Like your 45ft truck/trailer, project cars, etc.. I can't really blame them for shooting that idea down.
It seems as if they didn't really any good choice, they were gonna get f*cked from any solution. It's just a lesson learned for them to understand lot layout, setbacks, building codes, and easements when they buy their next house. (probably in the near future)
Good luck, sorry to hear of the whole ordeal.
OP:
What's ironic is that they had no desire to share the driveway access with you, but now they sure are pissed that they can't share the view across of your yard anymore. Guess they didn't look at it that way, that they were enjoying a nice green front yard that they didn't have to mow. Must have been nice while it lasted.
But I do feel for the neighbor 'some' as WOW your garage is right on their front porch. Damn. But that's spec home builders for ya, they know if they build a house on any leftover shitball piece of a lot and someone will buy it.
And I can also understand why they wouldn't want to sign over right of way shared access from their drive, they don't know what the future flow of vehicles may entail thru there. Like your 45ft truck/trailer, project cars, etc.. I can't really blame them for shooting that idea down.
It seems as if they didn't really any good choice, they were gonna get f*cked from any solution. It's just a lesson learned for them to understand lot layout, setbacks, building codes, and easements when they buy their next house. (probably in the near future)
Good luck, sorry to hear of the whole ordeal.
ket-tek is right on the money... the whole situation just *****! I would not want to have to live that close to a neighbor that I did not get along with let alone having to deal with this situation.
With that said, having dealt with the purchase of real property (real estate) more than most, and it has been already stated in this thread, they probably got a deal for this house. So what they did was took a gamble, at least that is the way that I would look at it if I was considering the purchase... I would look at it as a gamble, and it did not pay off. It is the possibility of this situation that got them the deal on the property... as long as they got a deal? If they did not get a deal on the property, that again is not dougmac's fault.
When dealing with real estate there are three things that you need to be sure about because no matter what you do you can not change it.... Thats right.... Location, Location, Location. That applies to set backs, lot lines, county codes, and CC&Rs also.
Dougmac, you tried to work with them, you did nothing wrong, but the problem is you have to live there and that must be miserable. Hopefully your current neighbors move and then the next neighbors will know what they are getting in to because the garage is already there when they bought and they wont be as mad about the whole thing.
MPH
With that said, having dealt with the purchase of real property (real estate) more than most, and it has been already stated in this thread, they probably got a deal for this house. So what they did was took a gamble, at least that is the way that I would look at it if I was considering the purchase... I would look at it as a gamble, and it did not pay off. It is the possibility of this situation that got them the deal on the property... as long as they got a deal? If they did not get a deal on the property, that again is not dougmac's fault.
When dealing with real estate there are three things that you need to be sure about because no matter what you do you can not change it.... Thats right.... Location, Location, Location. That applies to set backs, lot lines, county codes, and CC&Rs also.
Dougmac, you tried to work with them, you did nothing wrong, but the problem is you have to live there and that must be miserable. Hopefully your current neighbors move and then the next neighbors will know what they are getting in to because the garage is already there when they bought and they wont be as mad about the whole thing.
MPH
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Liberalism......it truly is a mental disorder.
red
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A good friend in Michigan had a neighbor that built a beautiful garage with all the necessary permits only to have a very rich neighbor object to it. He lost (or actually gave up) after spending over 30k in legal fees and finally "removed" the garage. Being right does not really matter as much having deep pockets. See it every day with our legal system.
dmeadow
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Seems a lot of people are confusing legal rights and property rights with "wrong and right".
Just because the law says you can do it and property rights give you the right to do it, doesn't mean that it is right to do it.
I'm sure these same people would be screaming about the immorality of someone's land being taken under imminent domain or through shrewd legal maneuvers. Just because it is legal doesn't make it right, folks, or do you not have a moral compass at all?
Just because the law says you can do it and property rights give you the right to do it, doesn't mean that it is right to do it.
I'm sure these same people would be screaming about the immorality of someone's land being taken under imminent domain or through shrewd legal maneuvers. Just because it is legal doesn't make it right, folks, or do you not have a moral compass at all?
LEVE
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Yep, sometimes it's better to be nice than right. It's a pleasure to have like minded neighbors. It's a PITA to have ones who are always nit-picking everything you do.
I live on a "land locked" piece of land with a 200' entrance driveway. If you didn't know I was there you couldn't find my home. I like it that way.
When I bought the property I introduced myself to the neighbors. One of them was a real PITA. He told the construction crew that I was real SOB and many other uncomplimentary things I won't go into.
I found out later that he wanted to buy the property and add it to his but didn't have the money to buy it. I was the SOB that bought it. In 4 years he, or his family, never said one word to me. It was no skin off my nose, he only hurt himself. I'm sure for those four years, each time he drove out his driveway he looked over at my home and fumed.
But, Karma happens. He changed his job and moved, renting out the property. The new renter came over and introduced himself (Having been told that I was the biggest SOB of the neighborhood) expecting the worst. He explained that he and his family were gear heads and would be working in the garage all the time. He apologized for any noise that he might make in the future and hoped I'd understand he'd keep it to a minimum. He looked almost apologetic.
I laughed, he looked puzzled, and I told him I was a gear head too...and loved the smell of diesel fuel and gas, like to hear the roar of exhaust the and open exhaust was music to my ears. He got a big grin on his face, shook my hand and we've been friends ever since. I even get to go over to his garage and kibbutz about the two Mudder Pickups he and his wife build race every year.
Till he moves... life is good.
LAROKE
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I do have a moral compass but I don't have a magnet pulling its needle to the left. Have yours recalibrated.
OccupantRJ
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That rich neighbor just needed something more pressing to concentrate on, and I would have made sure it was provided to him......
As the line in a movie went once, the guy said he had very influencial friends.
The woman said she had very influencial friends too, the kind that love to cut tires.
So how do you feel about someone controlling your land by building a house in a way that makes it "morally wrong" for you to use your land? Isn't this also a form of taking control of you land without compensation?
When I was able to offer them what I felt was a reasonable solution to the problem, it satisfied my moral compass. I was not legally bound to even consider their situation in any way.
As you can see by the posts here, what I felt was a "reasonable solution" seems to be very subjective..........
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I got one piece of advice....
Watch the newspapers very carefully for notice of tax sale and be ready to bid on that house. If it turns to ****, its not good for you. However, would not be a bad rentable space. Might get it super cheap.
No one else would want to buy it.
Watch the newspapers very carefully for notice of tax sale and be ready to bid on that house. If it turns to ****, its not good for you. However, would not be a bad rentable space. Might get it super cheap.
No one else would want to buy it.
blkhonda1991
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agree 100% i cant believe people ever bough "flag" lots that small...sure maybe a flag lot with a really long driveway back to the property would be fine but forget having your front yard bein the back yard of someone elses property. the owners of the house had a choice to allow access from their driveway vs looking at a huge building in their front yard so they have no one to blame but themselves.DuluthMN: Oh, how I wish I had YOUR neighbors!!!
Matt M, PA: Flag lots are still common in Maryland, and multiplied during the housing bubble. Stupid people buy them in droves.
dougmac: You did your due-diligence, tried to be a good neighbor and preemptively compromise, and the idiots who bought the flag lot spit in your face. Not surprising they would make the stupid choice since after all they bought the flag lot! You have nothing to feel bad about and no bad Karma. They've earned all the bad karma for buying bad and being pig-headed when the olive branch was offered to them.
My Dad taught me that when buying property, it's my responsibility to buy it right. Like buying a car. If I buy a clunker, it's my fault. When buying a house, he taught me not to buy one in a flood plain (lot's of dumb people in the world...), not to buy one on a major road (might be expanded into 4-6-8 lanes), not to buy one in an area without big setbacks (like this neighborhood), triple-check zoning on any surrounding property (so a Wally World Mega Mart doesn't spring up in the back yard), or with a wet basement, etc, etc, etc. If I ignore the advice and somebody builds a Garage Mahal six feet from my front porch, it's MY fault for buying stupid.
BTW, that is a sweet garage. Mine is a toilet bowl in a bus station by comparison...
dmeadow
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My comments were directed at the chest-thumpers in this thread that think that just because they have the legal right to do something that they ought to do it just because they can-- and eff everyone else. I don't think they would tolerate that same attitude in someone else if it negatively affected them!
I applaud the fact that you sought a compromise with your neighbors. At least you have a conscience. Whether you truly believe that offering them two unappealing options was reasonable is something your own conscience will have to decide (and has decided, apparently). It won't be decided by a bunch of anonymous posts in a forum, including this one. I don't think anyone here can really objectively judge what was reasonable when the source of all the information is not objective.
People (including me, I'll admit) tend to rationalize that they made the right choice because it got them what they wanted, supports their prior-held belief, or places blame on someone else, not because it was right. Laws ensure that we do right by the rules. Morality (whether innate or influenced by religious beliefs) tries to ensure we do right by our fellow man. When one gets in the way of the other, we tend to fall to the one that agrees with what we wanted to happen in the first place...
Cryptic1911
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Hey, its a two way street.. Just because it was legal for the neighbor in back to build his house 5 feet from the first guys backyard doesnt give him the right to then forever prevent the guy in front from building the garage he's always wanted in his back yard just because he might block their "view". That's just idiotic. If you have any expectation of privacy / no neighbors building anything in front of you, then you better buy a big plot of land, and build IN THE MIDDLE OF IT.. not in someone elses back yard.
It would be like wiping your *** with no toilet paper, and then being surprised that you got **** on your hand. Duh! what did you think was going to happen? It has nothing to do with morals, and everything to do with being a goddamn idiot. They made the bad decision, They can deal with the consequences.
padronanniversary
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It would be curious what were to happen if he had built a fence on the property line. I bet they would complain as well.
Hey, its a two way street.. Just because it was legal for the neighbor in back to build his house 5 feet from the first guys backyard doesnt give him the right to then forever prevent the guy in front from building the garage he's always wanted in his back yard just because he might block their "view". That's just idiotic. If you have any expectation of privacy / no neighbors building anything in front of you, then you better buy a big plot of land, and build IN THE MIDDLE OF IT.. not in someone elses back yard.
Exactly! Why should the OP be punished because the idiot neighbor bought a POS house on a POS lot.
Auzivision
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Something is wrong with the ‘system’ if zoning, setbacks, building permits, or what ever allow a situation like this to occur. I’m guessing this one isn’t over yet, although it sure looks like the little guy got a royal feckin.
Reminds me of a saying an old friend used to say... you can be right and you can be dead right.
First you put your neighbor in 'check', then 'check mate'… wasn’t like there was much if any genuine consideration or negotiations here!
Hope your neighbor has more compassion than you or might find yourself being dead right.
I’m sure glad I don’t live near you and wonder how you can sleep well at night. Sometimes when you win, you still lose.
Reminds me of a saying an old friend used to say... you can be right and you can be dead right.
First you put your neighbor in 'check', then 'check mate'… wasn’t like there was much if any genuine consideration or negotiations here!
Hope your neighbor has more compassion than you or might find yourself being dead right.
I’m sure glad I don’t live near you and wonder how you can sleep well at night. Sometimes when you win, you still lose.
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The idiot neighbor has no recourse. If he vandalizes the OP's property then he will get caught since he will be the obvious culprit. Legally he has no rights here either.
archirelic
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The zoning ordinances were well in place before the neighbor decided to buy & build on the flag lot behind the OP. They too, should have known, or researched at least, all the variables that the OP has within his rights of owning the land to do to his lot. They too, should have thought about orienting their house in a manner different from which they eventually wound up building it. When the neighbors bought the flag lot, some ~5 years or so after the OP had already been living on his property...they should have amicably approached the OP and talked at length about future plans, etc. so they could have positioned their house in a manner that wouldn't affect them down the road.
That's exactly right. I've been a victim of malicious neighbors which is why I'm getting all bent out of shape over this issue. I had the town and zoning ordinance on my side. They sued me, sued the town, lost, appealed the courts decision to the supreme court and guess what? That's right, the a**holes lost and got nowhere. Bottom line is stupid people get nowhere. If the neighbor was stupid enough to buy a POS flag lot with a house positioned improperly then the OP poster shouldn't have to pay the price for it.
787B
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So you are saying the neighbor bears no responsibility for building or buying a house in a terrible position on a terrible lot?
And that dougmac shouldn't be able to build his dream garage because his neighbor did so?
That the neighbor's view trumps dougmac's dreams and the money that he paid to buy a lot where he could build a garage?
I think you are on the wrong forum. This is the one for people who don't think owning land gives the owner the moral right to legally develop it and people bear no responsibility for their own stupidity: http://www.cpusa.org/
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The burden of proposing alternative solutions was on the neighbor. Dougmac proposed two options; one he had a legal right to pursue without his neighbor's consent the other required concessions from the neighbor. The neighbor understandably didn't have to like either option and many have agreed that granting driveway easements could have significant drawbacks. But the neighbor was the one with everything to lose by vetoing all alternatives. That's not check + check-mate; it was an opening offer. If dougmac refused to consider counter proposals then I'd have a different opinion.
My advice to the neighbor (let's imagine that he inherited the unfortunate lot with the house already positioned so we can give him the benefit of the doubt as a non-idiot) would have been to get professional legal and realtor advice on pros, cons, and estimated costs of every imaginable scenario. Lot adjustment with land swap, driveway easements, live with dougmac's plan, moving current home, sell, build privacy screening along the property line to create a small but private front yard, etc. Maybe he did do all of this and nothing looked good. But based on dougmac's account it doesn't sound like the neighbor really tried to come up with counter proposals - he just hoped to torpedo the whole thing. Maybe he got legal advice that suggested he'd win but I doubt it.
Had the neighbor counterproposed and tried to negotiate; maybe dougmac would have found more flexibility on his exact placement requirements, driveway needs, etc. But with no good-faith negotiation dougmac really didn't have any options other than bend over and give up his property rights.
Of course this is all based on a one-sided explanation and a few photos; all we have to go with on the Internet so our conclusions are no better than the objectivity of the info in this thread.
I live on a small lot with very close neighbors. Fortunately it's a planned community so the layouts and CCR were designed to keep things agreeable. We had extensive "architectural" fencing with a trellis and strategic planting done on our side-yard to obscure our direct view (20') of our neighbor's house. We bought the house this way and knew the trade-offs. Is the house still there, of course. But our side-yard feel way more private, looks great, and I expect improved the value of both lots. We only had 15' of property to work with. I'm not sure exactly how much the neighbor has but I suspect that something decent could be done so that from the inside the situation isn't as bleak (not necessarily cheap though).
-Jeff
My advice to the neighbor (let's imagine that he inherited the unfortunate lot with the house already positioned so we can give him the benefit of the doubt as a non-idiot) would have been to get professional legal and realtor advice on pros, cons, and estimated costs of every imaginable scenario. Lot adjustment with land swap, driveway easements, live with dougmac's plan, moving current home, sell, build privacy screening along the property line to create a small but private front yard, etc. Maybe he did do all of this and nothing looked good. But based on dougmac's account it doesn't sound like the neighbor really tried to come up with counter proposals - he just hoped to torpedo the whole thing. Maybe he got legal advice that suggested he'd win but I doubt it.
Had the neighbor counterproposed and tried to negotiate; maybe dougmac would have found more flexibility on his exact placement requirements, driveway needs, etc. But with no good-faith negotiation dougmac really didn't have any options other than bend over and give up his property rights.
Of course this is all based on a one-sided explanation and a few photos; all we have to go with on the Internet so our conclusions are no better than the objectivity of the info in this thread.
I live on a small lot with very close neighbors. Fortunately it's a planned community so the layouts and CCR were designed to keep things agreeable. We had extensive "architectural" fencing with a trellis and strategic planting done on our side-yard to obscure our direct view (20') of our neighbor's house. We bought the house this way and knew the trade-offs. Is the house still there, of course. But our side-yard feel way more private, looks great, and I expect improved the value of both lots. We only had 15' of property to work with. I'm not sure exactly how much the neighbor has but I suspect that something decent could be done so that from the inside the situation isn't as bleak (not necessarily cheap though).
-Jeff
Duh! what did you think was going to happen? It has nothing to do with morals, and everything to do with being a goddamn idiot. They made the bad decision, They can deal with the consequences.
OMG!!! I am crying from laughing so hard!!
Cryptic1911
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Auzivision
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I didn’t say the neighbor bears no responsibility, I said this system failed. How the hell whoever built that house on that property like that is beyond comprehension, but it happened. I hate codes and regulation just as much as the next guy, but they are a fact of life and meant to keep things like this from happening.
As a totally non-biased by standard, I still say what the OP might have been legally within his rights, but wasn’t right for doing it. Once that house was allowed to be built where it exits and given that it was 15 years ago, it was just wrong to build another structure in front of it like that.
Doesn’t anyone remember the old sayings like two wrongs don’t make a right or do onto others as you would have others do unto you…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Golden_Rule
It’s not law, it’s the Golden Rule. Break the golden rule and it’s considered immoral or unethical. People here are mixing up what’s moral and what’s legal.
I don't think they're mixing it up at all. The problem is that legality is fairly concrete while morality is highly subjective.
A lot of people here (myself included) seem to believe that current property laws are very mature and do a fairly good job of matching legal options and our view of moral options. You can buy property under all sorts of legal situations (codes, CCRs, etc). While you give up some flexibility depending on the restrictions you get assurances that your neighbors have agreed to live by the same standards. If everyone makes an informed choice on these things then there shouldn't be a problem of having a different moral views than your neighbors on property rights.
Changing the rules retroactively is of course a whole different issue that isn't related to this situation...
-Jeff
So maybe I should have offered them an alternative like using their driveway as access so that it wouldn't be built in front of their house?
Boost Creep
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i think he should put up a tall fence along the property line just to help keep the neighbors away from his investment and to help protect his privacy
archirelic
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I don't think anyone here is mixing up what is moral and what is legal. It is obvious, that the OP bought a lot of that size & caliber with the intention of one day erecting his dream garage. So is he then, supposed to change his dreams and plans b/c someone after the fact, bought the flag lot and built his house looking directly into the backyard of the OP?
The OP already went above and beyond what he was required to do by even consulting the neighbor on the back lot.
Moreover, the question should be asked, why did the neighbor on the flag lot decide to build his house looking directly into the backyard and at the back of the OP's home? Sure as hell doesn't seem like he thought about consulting the OP about the 'intrusive' point of view of his home.
The OP did what was legal and what was right according to his moral barometer. Obviously, other people will have differing opinions and views, such as you.
Let me ask you a direct question then...if you were in the position of the OP, would you give up your dream shop/garage b/c of the neighbor's bad placement of his home?
bazzateer
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Put up a tall fence so the neighbour can't see into your garden or look at your garage walls. Let him paint a landscape of his choice on 'his' side of the fence. That way he has a nice view and you have your garage and your privacy.
Auzivision
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I agree with this statement 100%.
All you all that think it's morally okay to stick it to your neighbor like this have a different moral compass than me… that’s all. I will restate my position from right or wrong and leave it at different.
That and I'm sticking to my guns that I am sure glad I don't live anywhere near you.
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crewchief888
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i thnk what surprises me after following this thread, is that 15 years or so ago, some knuckleheaded building/zoning commision approved the lot, and the construction of the house in the 1st place. 
i dont know about any of you, but i wouldnt want a house where my front door looked into the neighbors back yard 5 feet away.
i dont know about any of you, but i wouldnt want a house where my front door looked into the neighbors back yard 5 feet away.
I, for one, am a big believer in Karma. The fact that the OP contacted them to try to start dialogue pleases the Karma Gods. He extended the palm leaf and they refused to take it. End of story as far as karma goes.
I have bought a whopping two lots with house in my life. I learned alot from the first purchase that I applied to the second purchase. Easements and future possible building plans of neighbors was a HUGE factor. They dont say "location, location, location" for no apparent reason now do they? Something could have been worked out, most likely a land swap if septic did not come into play. Nevertheless, it is not one property owners responsibility to compensate for another property owners poor decisions.
There is another saying, "fences make good neighbors." The OP should have built a privacy fence on the property line 15 yrs ago, but he was trying to be a good neighbor. Personally, my backyard will not be someone elses view. That brings me to "no good deed goes unpunished."
I, like the OP tried to include neighbors on various projects and all I got were excuses of no funds(went to Hawaii instead), or, it's the cities responsibility(city already stated a non-issue)) or why do you need a shop anyway(because I choose to help myself). I got nowhere with them. Their answer is to try to stop progress or blame someone else for their problems. I tried to help them because I have access to a backhoe and work for free and they complain. I build fences to keep my dogs in then more fences to keep their dogs out and they complain. I trim the trees in the common area for free and they complain that I took too much off. I say give appropriate communication when you feel it is due then F--- em, because they are going to ***** and moan for whatever reason.
Now for those of you who are amicable with your neighbors, consider yourself lucky. The ones who actually drink beer and hang out together....you are blessed. That does not happen often.
The only good outcome from this particular issue is the OP's willingness to buy out the neighbor for a reasonable price. If the OP has kids I bet he would be open to that but in the end the neighbor would have to agree, which he won't because.................he's stupid.
There are already enough rules, ordinances, etc. etc. that would lead one to believe that you dont actually "OWN" anything. Let us try not to muck it up with any touchy feely notions of compensation for others bad decisions There is already enough of that **** as it is(bailouts, free rides, variable class rules)
I have bought a whopping two lots with house in my life. I learned alot from the first purchase that I applied to the second purchase. Easements and future possible building plans of neighbors was a HUGE factor. They dont say "location, location, location" for no apparent reason now do they? Something could have been worked out, most likely a land swap if septic did not come into play. Nevertheless, it is not one property owners responsibility to compensate for another property owners poor decisions.
There is another saying, "fences make good neighbors." The OP should have built a privacy fence on the property line 15 yrs ago, but he was trying to be a good neighbor. Personally, my backyard will not be someone elses view. That brings me to "no good deed goes unpunished."
I, like the OP tried to include neighbors on various projects and all I got were excuses of no funds(went to Hawaii instead), or, it's the cities responsibility(city already stated a non-issue)) or why do you need a shop anyway(because I choose to help myself). I got nowhere with them. Their answer is to try to stop progress or blame someone else for their problems. I tried to help them because I have access to a backhoe and work for free and they complain. I build fences to keep my dogs in then more fences to keep their dogs out and they complain. I trim the trees in the common area for free and they complain that I took too much off. I say give appropriate communication when you feel it is due then F--- em, because they are going to ***** and moan for whatever reason.
Now for those of you who are amicable with your neighbors, consider yourself lucky. The ones who actually drink beer and hang out together....you are blessed. That does not happen often.
The only good outcome from this particular issue is the OP's willingness to buy out the neighbor for a reasonable price. If the OP has kids I bet he would be open to that but in the end the neighbor would have to agree, which he won't because.................he's stupid.
There are already enough rules, ordinances, etc. etc. that would lead one to believe that you dont actually "OWN" anything. Let us try not to muck it up with any touchy feely notions of compensation for others bad decisions There is already enough of that **** as it is(bailouts, free rides, variable class rules)
That and I'm sticking to my guns that I am sure glad I don't live anywhere near you.
...and I am completely ok with that...
blkhonda1991
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I agree with this statement 100%.
All you all that think it's morally okay to stick it to your neighbor like this have a different moral compass than me… that’s all. I will restate my position from right or wrong and leave it at different.
That and I'm sticking to my guns that I am sure glad I don't live anywhere near you.
what would you have done in this situation if you desired a garage?
Auzivision
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I guess I shouldn't ***** when my neighborhood association gets bent out of shape because my mailbox isn't the correct shape of taupe. I could be living somewhere where it’s a screw or be screwed world.
Maybe I’m living in Camelot where we treat our neighbors with respect and enjoy one another’s company. I’ve never had it any other way.
Honestly, as I read this thread I felt sorry for the OP until I saw the pictures. I don’t care what anyone says, there is no doubt in my mind he stuck to the man; within his rights, yes no doubt. I guess that’s normal out wherever this is… my guess, out east somewhere.
What would I have done? As if it matters, I’d come up with a plan that was congruent with the existing buildings and properties. If that wasn’t feasible, I’d move. As much as I like the garage by itself, it looks like **** in the bigger picture. Personally, I wouldn’t want a garage that looks like it was stuck on the neighbor’s front porch… that’s not my idea of a dream garage.
Like they say, everyone is entitled to their own opinions… and you know what they say about those. Now if I could only constrain myself to what my mom said about if you don’t have something nice to say…
Maybe I’m living in Camelot where we treat our neighbors with respect and enjoy one another’s company. I’ve never had it any other way.
Honestly, as I read this thread I felt sorry for the OP until I saw the pictures. I don’t care what anyone says, there is no doubt in my mind he stuck to the man; within his rights, yes no doubt. I guess that’s normal out wherever this is… my guess, out east somewhere.
What would I have done? As if it matters, I’d come up with a plan that was congruent with the existing buildings and properties. If that wasn’t feasible, I’d move. As much as I like the garage by itself, it looks like **** in the bigger picture. Personally, I wouldn’t want a garage that looks like it was stuck on the neighbor’s front porch… that’s not my idea of a dream garage.
Like they say, everyone is entitled to their own opinions… and you know what they say about those. Now if I could only constrain myself to what my mom said about if you don’t have something nice to say…
Dayum, man, you sure sound like that HOA you like in has done a major brainwashing job on you....