Compression - Show Off Your Compressor

[Zrexxer]

Why do these threads all seem to degrade into...

Why do people always complain about how threads don't meet their personal expectations?

 

[larry4406]

Zrexxer - You provide good information most of the time, keep it that way. Turning a technical post into a boasting of only USA components is not helpful. I am sorry to hear that your Champion compressors were tainted by foreign gages.

 

[Zrexxer]

Zrexxer - You provide good information most of the time, keep it that way. Turning a technical post into a boasting of only USA components is not helpful. I am sorry to hear that your Champion compressors were tainted by foreign gages.

I didn't turn the thread in any direction. Someone asked if there were any companies still making compressors in the US, one poster volunteered Saylor Beall, another listed Kellogg, I listed Champion. I have no information that any component of my compressor is "tainted" by anything, that was suggested by 54FordPanel. Sorry if you think stating country of origin is boasting...

I will say that trying to mislead buyers about COO does get my goat though. As I said earlier in this thread, I hear by all accounts that Eaton makes a good machine, despite imported content. What concerns me is their attempt to deceive buyers.

 

[GeorgiaHybrid]

Why do these threads all seem to degrade into "not made in USA, therefore.....".

Why can't they stay technical?

larry,

I guess I am the guilty party on the Eaton compressors. We had a member a few pages back that thought all of the American flags on his compressor meant that it was made in the USA. I couldn't let that one go. I don't have a problem with Eaton compressors and think they have a good design but they are not made here. My beloved Quincy doesn't make all of the parts of it's compressors here either (they might but I don't think so).

I know that my old QR series is made here but it was made a LONG time ago...back when we still made things in this country. Back to Eaton though, they do use very deceptive advertising to sell their products and I wish they would be a little more truthful about it. If I hadn't found mine used, I would have bought a US General from HF or an Eaton (although I was eyeing a Quincy from Northern Tools).

 

[94cobra2615]

Thats a beefy air compressor. Do you have any weblinks for it? Google isn't cooperating with me...

http://www.eatoncompressor.com/page/page/504747.htm

I couldn't find anything that came close to the Eaton I bought for the price I paid.

It's an awesome setup even if the pump is made in china.

 

[sctattooer]

Just a vertical from Lowes, but it does what I need it to do.

 

[RbrtAWhyt]

http://www.eatoncompressor.com/page/page/504747.htm

I couldn't find anything that came close to the Eaton I bought for the price I paid.

It's an awesome setup even if the pump is made in china.

Thanks for the info. Awesome compressor you have there. Enjoy!

 

[Vinko]

I can only think of 2 companies that build compressors here in the USA.

I wonder what those that he is thinking of are?

Here's another thing I've been thinking about with USA made products lately. And that's that often times (and I don't have compressors in mind here), it appears to me that fasteners can be relegated to "negligible foreign content" even if it were argued that that negligible content was critical. I don't remember reading in the Customs regs. when I read them more carefully last year that there was a distinction between the "critical" and not in their decisions. Of course, it's problematic on anything but a case by case basis, I suppose, to make that determination of what critical is or means.

 

[Vinko]

. What concerns me is their attempt to deceive buyers.

Back to Eaton though, they do use very deceptive advertising to sell their products and I wish they would be a little more truthful about it.

One thing that I think is a sort of dubious practice is this idea that by sticking American flags all over the place, on those particular components that are made-in-the-usa (and then it gets us into the thorny issue of what that label means - I don't even know if FTC really knows -- they offer guidelines but that's it).

Seeing a jumble of American flags gives the impression that the unit in toto is made in the USA. That is, it's a somewhat disingenuous solution if your aim is to avoid creating confusion or clearing up what might be confusion.

After all, how many guys are obsessive about these questions outside of some GJ and other forums' members? Very few I'd bet.

 

[irisservice]

I think we will have to make parts ourselves if we want "made in the USA"

 

[bigbluerigak]

Here’s my addition

Husky 2 Stage

3/4 Filter

3/4 Regulator

It is sitting on hockey pucks

I have added an hour meter

I have added a bigger intake filter, makes it a little quieter, not much.

40 Feet of 3/4 copper behind the compressor, the fan helps cool it.

Lots of drains

Replaced the side drain with a bottom drain

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[irisservice]

That's a lot of copper..

 

[GeorgiaHybrid]

Here’s my addition

Husky 2 Stage

3/4 Filter

3/4 Regulator

It is sitting on hockey pucks

I have added an hour meter

I have added a bigger intake filter, makes it a little quieter, not much.

40 Feet of 3/4 copper behind the compressor, the fan helps cool it.

Lots of drains

Replaced the side drain with a bottom drain

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Gives one an entirely new meaning to the term "polishing your pipes...."

When I first saw it, I wondered if you were in the pipe organ business until it became apparent it was a cooling loop.

Nice looking setup.

 

[irisservice]

I was looking at doing something with Bare element pipeing.
http://www.slantfin.com/product-elements.html

 

[pcmeiners]

Irisservice...
When I was building my system a few suppliers would not supply just the element in small quantity. If you can get them, it is far more efficient then just plain copper pipe, as copper is a good conductor but a rather poor radiator.
As to cost you would be better off using the same setup as BigblueRigak, 40ft of piping would be sufficient. Using finned pipe you could use less but I sure it will be more expensive.

 

[bigbluerigak]

I spent more money in valves then I did in tubing. I got the tubing from Home Depot over a year and a half ago when it was $10 for an eight foot section for L grade. Yesterday it was $19.

This last weekend I removed the fan protection and added rubber between the plate steel and the grate. It removed a little vibration. Next I will be adding a few feet of Dynomat to the back of the tank. If that does anything to the noise I will let you guys know.

 

[Harix]

is there any compressor setup that is 100% made in usa?

America is full of immigrants from Mexico, India, China, Guatemala, Pakistan, and orther asian countries.

So the answer might be no.

 

[the spyder]

Picked this up from a friends dad when they found out mine broke down. Incredibly nice of them. Though I did save them $5-8k on a engine rebuild on my friends car... dont always believe a shop when they tell you its time for a rebuild... A second opinion is always worth it.

IR T30
15cfm @175psi
2340L5
5hp Baldor 220v motor

They own a drycleaners and the tank sprung a pin hole leak. He bought a new compressor and saved the good parts off the old one just in case.

 

[930dreamer]

Great friends, what are your plans for a tank? 930

 

[montecarlo31]

Got it brand new w/ 2 year warranty for 1 grand out the door. I've got about 1500 in it, box outside to store it in, drop lines in the garage (to be completed), battery for battery starter.

Works great and never runs out of air.

 

[irisservice]

Got it brand new w/ 2 year warranty for 1 grand out the door. I've got about 1500 in it, box outside to store it in, drop lines in the garage (to be completed), battery for battery starter.

Works great and never runs out of air.

nice post pics of install

 

[Emulsifide]

Here's my itty bitty IR Garage Mate:

Works great to power my HF earthquake 3/8" and 1/2" impact guns.

 

[rlme36]

Here is mine, new to me Quincy QT5. Picked it up a couple of weeks ago and finally got it wired properly and into approximate position next to the bench.

Rob

 

[rlme36]

forgot the picture

 

[930dreamer]

forgot the picture

Very nice set up

 

[padstack]

quick question for everyone. I have a compressor that's rated for continuous duty. Do I have any advantage to a larger air tank or am I just wasting space? I have a Wayne compressor with a 3HP (16.6A @ 220V) Century motor that has a "cont open" time rating along with a 1.15 service factor. It's married to a 20-25 gal tank (I think - might be 30) and is then sitting to another tank that's around 50 gal. Is that second tank doing me any good?

My understanding is that the motor will run continuously without burning out, and as long as I'm not using more air than the compressor puts out I don't need the second tank.

I guess I should also know how much air the compressor will put out. The Wayne pump is a model B239-8HGC. It's too old to find any info on. Is there a way to measure the output or make a good guesstimate?

thanks!

 

[the spyder]

You will need to find out the specs on the pump. Its not air storage, but CFM that matters. Mind you having some extra capacity allows your compressor to have to kick on less, but it also takes much longer to fill. If it runs your tools and does what you want, there is nothing wrong with a little extra air storage space.

 

[the spyder]

Guys with a Champion R15 compressor, can I ask a favor?
What size of motor are you running at what RPM?

I am deciding if I should repower my current Champion R15 pump (18cfm) or use the motor and IR T30 (15cfm( pump I just got to replace the Champion.

 

[Jay87T]

if you go to the champion website and download thier brochure for the R series compressors, you will find a chart in there on what RPM you can run it at ,what cfm it will put out, and what HP motor, I would probly say a 5hp motor. and about 700 rpm, but Im not totaly sure check out the site.
Jay.

 

[Fubar]

Bought a hardly-used IR T31 off a friend. He said it was loud, but man, it was EXTREMELY loud. You could literally feel it through the floor in the shop (and this is with insulating pads). Other thing, it got hot. Hot enough that filling the tank from dead empty to shutoff you could smell the paint (it was bubbling off). Payed 500.00, so it was cheap enough but I knew that I couldn't run this thing, christ it was going to make moisture like you read about, and drive me crazy with the racket. It did have a Baldor 7 1/2 HP motor so it was worth the 500.00. I ordered a Eaton 10 HP Quiet pump for 450.00, a belt plate, Motor pulley kit (to slow it down to 600 RPMs), belts, an a run-on valve (another 100.00 all together).

Had to mount the pump up on some angle-iron to level it out with the belt adjustment plate, and make up some lines but it was fairly straight forward. The IR had less outlets on the tank so I had to make due, although the run-on valve is much more accessible on mine than the way Eaton has theirs.

The IR ran at a much higher RPM so I would say that that was one of the reasons for noise/heat. The Eaton runs at 600 (you can see the difference in the flywheels). I will say the IR was no slouch for CFM but that is the only thing I can say good. So the difference you ask (besides being REALLY quiet)??.

The IR pump took 6 Minutes, 44 seconds to fill the tank from dead empty to shutoff..
Eaton pump took 3 minutes, 25 seconds to do the same.

The IR pump took 44 seconds from low air to shut off (app. 140 to 170)
The Eaton pump took 28 seconds.

So big difference. PLUS the Eaton built very little heat. I could grab any part of the pump and it was just warm (from no air to shutoff) The IR pump was no only hot, it was bubbling the paint off.

My compressors have their own room and you can barely hear the Eaton, where you FELT the IR through the floor besides the noise. I am very very pleased, and Eaton's service was top-notch. I had to get them to send me another set of belts (the one's they sent were wrong) and I needed another one-way valve because the IR was a double-flare. I needed a pipe thread for a adapter. They sent the belts/valve right out with no money/CC, and said send the belts back in the same box, we sent a UPS tag and put a check for the valve in the box. You can't beat that it this day and age.....

 

[94cobra2615]

I love my eaton compressor. I have the 4 cylinder polar air model.

 

[nolatoolguy]

Here's my itty bitty IR Garage Mate:

Works great to power my HF earthquake 3/8" and 1/2" impact guns.

thats ausme man i been thinking about geting the same one we got ones but there to big to use for air tools they only work with like grain conveyers an all that type stuff

 

[930dreamer]

Any idea why the IR is running so hot? It's turning in the correct direction? Just wondering.

 

[Fubar]

I don't think there was anything wrong Per-sea, just that the compressors have been cheapened up to the point that that's the way they are. It would have worked, but besides the noise driving me batty, my lines would have been filled with mositure with repetitive running. And I don't think it would have lasted long either.

 

[Tantara]

Fubar don't take this the wrong way but I don't think the paint should be peeling off. I have the same IR compressor and it is very quiet compared to similar compressors. I can hold my hand on the head at any time.

Maybe I just got lucky.

I like your hoist just like mine.

Brad

 

[Fubar]

Fubar don't take this the wrong way but I don't think the paint should be peeling off. I have the same IR compressor and it is very quiet compared to similar compressors. I can hold my hand on the head at any time.

Maybe I just got lucky.

I like your hoist just like mine.

Brad

The last shop I worked in had two T30s that ran on a alternating switch. They were 1990s vintage and were good. Reasonably quiet, one did get hot, the other seemed normal temp. They lasted until last year when the guy bought one Eaton. If the one I bought was like(the one that didn't get hot) I would have been happy with it. I guess you got a good one (good for you) so that says to me that the quality control is pretty poor. All things considered I couldn't be happier that way it turned out. The Eaton hardly gets warm....

 

[pcmeiners]

Possible carbon on valves....
On google, it is noted the higher rpm compressors run hotter which makes them prone to carbon build up on the valves, once the carbon builds up, the temperature increases even more.

 

[wearetheromans85]

my baby. still finishing up my unfinished drywall in the back.

 

[machz]

Here's my itty bitty IR Garage Mate:

Works great to power my HF earthquake 3/8" and 1/2" impact guns.

I have the same one on order, I really wanted something I could move around and one that I could lend to a friend if needed. I did have my heart set on a 60 but for me the protable was the best option and this model look great for a portable.

 

[murph64]

Runs nice and quiet...

From the sticker -

The DeVilbiss Company
Toledo, 1, Ohio

They really don't make stuff like it anymore





Andy