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madmikeee

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New garage being built, pics will be posted later. I need a compressor for it. I am thinking 60gal will be sufficient. There will be some auto body/auto work. Some wood . Basically just a general hobby shop. What do you all suggest? I would like it as quiet as possible but I am maxed out @ $1100 as a budget and would like to be under that.

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Check out the Harbor Freight 60 gallon, 2 stage #93274. Best value out there for a budget 2-stage compressor. 15.8 cfm @90 psi. $849

I just bought one from recommendations here but have not hooked it up yet.
 

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60 gal. 5 HP 165 PSI Two Stage Air Compressor

Wait for a sale, it is a solid unit. It isn't really a 'Budget' machine, just priced well.
 
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If you want it as quiet as possible, consider adding a small shed beside the shop or a separate room with soundproofing.

Otherwise look to see if you can get a scroll compressor from an industrial auction or classifieds. I found one cheap on local classified at 5HP @ 15.2CFM and is around 70dBm standing right beside it.
 

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Look for CFM not tank size!
Find to consumption of your tool and then get a compressor that can make the cfm needed and more.
 
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Look for CFM not tank size!
Find to consumption of your tool and then get a compressor that can make the cfm needed and more.

Sorry I thought I had put that in. Nothing less than 10 SCFM. That way I KNOW I won't have any issues .
 

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I am in the same boat and started looking last week. I was interested in the harbor freight 60gal until I seen this for $50 more. This thing looks like a bad dude for $999. They said I get $50 off if I open a lowes card so then they are the same price. I kinda trust Kobalt over harbor freight quality. I was once told Kobalt compressors are Campbell hausfeld with different paint.

80 gal. 5HP. 2 stage motor. 175 maximum PSI. 15.6 CFM at 175 PSI

https://www.lowes.com/pd/Kobalt-80-Gallon-Two-Stage-Electric-Vertical-Air-Compressor/1000528985
 

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I have been happy with my Campbel-Hausfeld 60 gallon 3.2HP over the years. Haven't had any issues with tool, other than maybe waiting a bit when using high air consumption tools like the blaster or HVLP spray guns. No issues

As for "quiet" - build an insulated closet for it. There is no other "quiet" IMHO other than finding an old gas station unit that sits outside and runs a big pump at slow RPM. My closet uses a layer of QuietBrace, insulation and OSB exterior on the tool room side, and just a door when vents on the work shop side.

That Kobalt unit would be a excellent unit IMHO.
 

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That Kobalt is not 15.6 at 175 PSI. It has nearly the exact same flow as the HF unit. It does have a larger tank and probably louder.
 

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That Kobalt is not 15.6 at 175 PSI. It has nearly the exact same flow as the HF unit. It does have a larger tank and probably louder.

This is the listed specs on 2 websites I found.

Air Delivery SCFM @ 90PSI (CFM)
15.8
Air Delivery SCFM @ 100PSI (CFM)
15.7
Air Delivery SCFM @ 175PSI (CFM)
15.6
 

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Harbor Freight 5 HP 60 gal, $800
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It's a rebadged BelAire 216v. Same Mexican motor, Italian pump, and USA tank. Differences as I can tell are the pressure switch and intake muffler.
https://www.aircompressorsdirect.com/BelAire-216V-Air-Compressor/p4839.html

Get the HF branded 5 HP compressor for nearly $400 less, buy or make an intake adapter, run it through a glasspack muffler and put a Solberg round intake filter/silencer on the end. Plumb it outside if you don't have neighbors close that this will bother. It'll reduce decibels slightly but make an appreciable change in sound to a less offensive lower pitch. This will cost you about $100 or less.

if running it hard and making a lot of water you can then add an aftercooler between the pump and tank using an oil cooler and a water separator, again can be done for $100 or less.

I went with this compressor and am pleased with it. This replaced a 10 year old 3 HP husky 60 gal that has served me well but could barely keep up with blasting. If you want to spend significantly more and value quiet, get a much larger pump and spin it slower. I would like that but it wasn't worth several times the price to me.
 

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Sorry I thought I had put that in. Nothing less than 10 SCFM. That way I KNOW I won't have any issues .

body work tools......even little die grinders will be quite a bit more. I had an 11.5 cfm 3.2 hp 60 gallon that could not keep up with any auto body tools. good for 5-10 min and then you have to wait for it to get up to pressure for 10 min. works but just aggravating.
in your price range you will have semi loud. the rpm of the motor contributes to the noise. at that range they are spinning fast as they are smaller then larger pumps spinning slower. spend some money and get isolating rubber pads for the feet. remember these units are bare. you will need shut offs and regulators and water separators.
 

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This is the listed specs on 2 websites I found.

Air Delivery SCFM @ 90PSI (CFM)
15.8
Air Delivery SCFM @ 100PSI (CFM)
15.7
Air Delivery SCFM @ 175PSI (CFM)
15.6

I see that too but it has to be a misprint. That is a 75% increase in pressure with a .1 or .2 CFM drop? BTW I own one of those. Nice pump, but believe the rebranded HF is a better buy. It is an Atlas Copco pump, Emerson or Marathon motor, and USA tank. Quality at least matches the Kobalt.
 

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I see that too but it has to be a misprint. That is a 75% increase in pressure with a .1 or .2 CFM drop? BTW I own one of those. Nice pump, but believe the rebranded HF is a better buy. It is an Atlas Copco pump, Emerson or Marathon motor, and USA tank. Quality at least matches the Kobalt.

So what do you think of the Kobalt since you have used it? Lowes right down the street has one I might buy this weekend. How does it keep up with air die grinders and cut off wheels and such? I will be buying a sand blast cabinet soon also. I didn't want to go smaller than 5HP and 80 gallon thinking that is what I need. Will this one do the job?
 
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Those 15 cfm units will do some body work. They will run mechanics tools just spiffy. Bigger tank isn't a total replacement for displacement but it adds a little range and can help a guy manage the cycle time for optimum output.
You can sandblast with most of them but depends on how fast you wanna do it.
If I was wanting to make a living with body tools would want something up around 20 cfm. 15 will work with a little care.
 
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Bad00SS, the Kobalt is OK, keeps up with all but some media blasting - however we also have a (I think, need to verify if you are really interested) Dewalt branded machine for basically the same money on sale, it is a rebranded IR that is quieter and pumps up faster. Same BS on High Pressure CFM advert though, and you would need to wait for a sale. Ours came from Northern Tool, but if you look around rebrands are all over.
 

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I am running 2 60 gal compressors at home a puma and a husky. I am not waiting on air with both turned on. I agree that 20 cfm is a good target. was thinking would 2 60 gal kobalts beat a 5 hp 80 gallon kobalt ? combined cfm is more price would be close and you can run just one when you want too.
 

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I am running 2 60 gal compressors at home a puma and a husky. I am not waiting on air with both turned on. I agree that 20 cfm is a good target. was thinking would 2 60 gal kobalts beat a 5 hp 80 gallon kobalt ? combined cfm is more price would be close and you can run just one when you want too.

I have 2 units, both used stuff though but unless there was a crushing need for redundancy would just as soon have one in most cases. Less pipe, one electric, one machine.
 

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I tied together in parallel at the tanks two Craftsman twin cylinder Devilbiss units that I bought. One was purchased new, and the other used for $200. I get about 20 CFM at normal operating pressures, and I can turn on one or both compressors depending on what work I will be doing.

Something is wrong with the Specs at Lowe's on that unit. One doesn't get 15 CFM at 100 - 125, and then also get 15 CFM at 175. It doesn't work that way.
 

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Find the tool(s) you will use, or some likely candidates.

Look up the CFM requirements on the tool.

Multiply that number by 4 to get the 'real' number of what the tool will use in the real world if you are using said tool for more than a 15 second burst (just the way the industry has decided/agreed to market/label air tools, basing the air usage on a 15 second 'burst' usage). Some of the tool makers (or sellers) will give the information for both the 'standard' air usage (15 second usage time in a minute and extrapolated out to air usage on CFM) and the 'actual' air demand of what the tool uses when you run the tool. I-R has (or had) that info on their website for at least some of their air tools.

Example time (hypothetical, but approximate numbers used): A die grinder. Label or box or specs claim 5 CFM air usage. If you only use that tool for 15 seconds and then don't use it for a minute, that will be close. But if I'm using a die grinder, I'm typically using it for minutes at a time. Real-world, that tool NEEDS 20+ CFM if used in at least a semi-continuous manner, otherwise you WILL have to stop and wait on the air compressor to refill.

A bigger tank gives you a bit of a 'cushion' before the compressor turns back on to refill, but even the biggest typical practical air tank (60 or 80 gallons) will be not give you an unlimited run time before you use up the compressed air in the tank.

The compressor pump (and the motor driving the pump) determine the sustained air delivery capability of an air compressor system.

A bigger and slower-turning pump is generally quieter than a smaller pump spinning faster to give the same air delivery amount (CFM).

And watch out for some of the lower-end units which only fill to 125 psi. Typical air tools run at 90 psi at the tool, so you only have the amount of air in the tank that is compressed from 125 psi down to 90 psi before the pump has to turn on and try to put air back in to the tank (and then to the tool) before you have to wait for a 'refill' of the tank.

Waiting on an air compressor to refill before you can continue using an air tool gets old, real fast.

Your call on where you want the $$ versus CFM trade-off to be.

But more CFM lets you do 'more'.

10 CFM can be used up pretty fast, even in a 60 or 80 gallon tank. 15+ CFM can let you do 'more'. Close to 20 CFM can let you do most home-shop tasks including some media blasting or spray painting if you choose or 'want' to.

Just zipping off a set of lug nut with an air impact? Most compressors can handle that (short term intermittent usage).

Trying to remove some REALLY stuck suspension fasteners with the air impact and you might be having to stop and let the air tank refill a few times before you can get the darn things finally off (even with a 1000 ft-lb air impact, I've had to let the tool hammer away for a while before the fastener finally loosened, And the impact socket was hot-to-the-touch by that point. )

Spray painting? You can't really be waiting on the compressor to refill in the middle of a paint job. Make -sure- you have enough air capacity before painting!
 

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I had an old Quincy that turned about 700 RPM. It had a mellow, soothing sound, kind of like the African Queen. It seems like most compressors these days turn at much higher, more annoying speeds. I currently have a Black Max 60 gallon that I bought at Sam's about 30 years ago. I worry about the condition of the tank, so I might get a new compressor some day. It's also quite noisy. It amazes me how long it's lasted, though. I used it to run my machine shop for several years before I bought the Quincy.
 

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Where did the 15 second use come from?
The industrial avg number is for sizing compressors for factories. It's a demand factor. They don't have to have air for 100 air tools at once, only the 25 or 30 that could be in use any given time.
Same as having 800 of breakers in a 200 panel.
 

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New garage being built, pics will be posted later. I need a compressor for it. I am thinking 60gal will be sufficient. There will be some auto body/auto work. Some wood . Basically just a general hobby shop. What do you all suggest? I would like it as quiet as possible but I am maxed out @ $1100 as a budget and would like to be under that.

Suggestions? Comments? Lude Remarks?

Forget buying new 'offshore built' units...here you go, good old american built Saylor-Beall 705 for a little more than half of your budget...

https://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/tls/d/lebanon-saylor-beall-air-compressor/6993158140.html

Or...if you have a larger air requirement, a Quincy 340...
https://boston.craigslist.org/nos/tls/d/ipswich-air-compressor/7003519440.html

You'll have enough money left over for a single phase motor!
 
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