Convert Dewalt Impact Detent Pin to Hog Ring?

[mike93lx]

I recently picked up a DCF899 kit (High Torque 1/2" impact) for a smoking deal, but didn't really think about the socket retention as this is my first impact other than 1/4" drivers.

I had no idea that a detent pin requires using a pick to get the socket off. Not the end of the world as I am just using it around my home garage, infrequently and not for any major projects.

With that said, it's still a PIA. Any ideas on either modifying the pin to make it easier to remove (filing it down a bit?) or if it is easy/possible to swap it over to a hog ring anvil?

 

[PR1Gneon]

I recently picked up a DCF899 kit (High Torque 1/2" impact) for a smoking deal, but didn't really think about the socket retention as this is my first impact other than 1/4" drivers.

I had no idea that a detent pin requires using a pick to get the socket off. Not the end of the world as I am just using it around my home garage, infrequently and not for any major projects.

With that said, it's still a PIA. Any ideas on either modifying the pin to make it easier to remove (filing it down a bit?) or if it is easy/possible to swap it over to a hog ring anvil?

DOn't need a pick to remove the socket.



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[toolman9w]

DOn't need a pick to remove the socket.



Is that all your giving him.?

 

[toolman9w]

I would try and grind down the pin to more of a ball. But it might void the warranty.

 

[gdocktor3]

I just checked ereplacementparts.com and they had replacement anvils for the dcf889 for $36.00. That's not the model in question, but if you contact them and ask if they have parts for the dcf899, I'm sure they can help you out. Replacement anvil and a hog ring, you'll be good to go. If you have the courage to swap the anvils on your own that is...

 

[JD.]

I ground down the pin to more of a ball which is great!

 

[PR1Gneon]

DOn't need a pick to remove the socket.



Is that all your giving him.?

Just pull hard to remove the sockets. Maybe the pin is stuck, put penetrating oil and press with a pliers several times.

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[The Cobbler]

Just pull hard to remove the sockets. Maybe the pin is stuck, put penetrating oil and press with a pliers several times.

unless the pin is in the hole in the socket...

 

[mike93lx]

DOn't need a pick to remove the socket.



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Yes, in fact, i did need a pick when i used it this weekend. No amount of pulling was getting it off

 

[stercorarius]

I've been using same one for over a year and never once used a pick to pull the socket like you have to with the Milwaukee. You just have to pull real hard. I prefer it that way because I can't stand sockets falling off like they did when I had the hog ring model. That being said, I completely understand how it might not be your preference. Here is what I have seen a lot of guys do as a cheap and easy fix. They buy the shortest extension they can find and just leave it on there and only swap the socket so they only have to deal with the detent if they need to save an extra inch and pull the extension off.

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[toolman9w]

I have never been able to pull that hard if the pin is in the hole on the socket. Pliers or not.

 

[BMack37]

I have a Milwaukee with pin detent. I took a well used long PH2 bit that was junk, cut it, ground off the sharp edges and keep it in a bit holder attached to the impact wrench. Could probably use whatever bit but it's what I had laying around.

 

[stercorarius]

Huh maybe they don't put out consistent tools or maybe it's a socket thing. I've seen a handful of Milwaukee detent pin anvils and even owned a compact one and they all required picks, but I've never seen another DeWalt one other than mine that doesn't need a pick so I can't say they all do or don't.

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[toolman9w]

Huh maybe they don't put out consistent tools or maybe it's a socket thing. I've seen a handful of Milwaukee detent pin anvils and even owned a compact one and they all required picks, but I've never seen another DeWalt one other than mine that doesn't need a pick so I can't say they all do or don't.

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Could be different sockets. If they are more square cut hole they may hang up.?

 

[PR1Gneon]

I've been using same one for over a year and never once used a pick to pull the socket like you have to with the Milwaukee. You just have to pull real hard. I prefer it that way because I can't stand sockets falling off like they did when I had the hog ring model. That being said, I completely understand how it might not be your preference. Here is what I have seen a lot of guys do as a cheap and easy fix. They buy the shortest extension they can find and just leave it on there and only swap the socket so they only have to deal with the detent if they need to save an extra inch and pull the extension off.

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X2 I own the dcf899 and never had an issue with the detent pin.

Try with a file and lube.

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[stercorarius]

Could be different sockets. If they are more square cut hole they may hang up.?

This is probably a large factor. I use Sunex sockets and they all come off with a reasonably high amount of force. Recently replaced my 19 mm with a proto after beating the sunex out of shape on a stubborn u joint. Didn't think about it until I read your comment, but the proto is almost impossible to remove unless you pull on it just right.

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[PR1Gneon]

Do the test and try various brands sockets.

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[mike93lx]

Could be different sockets. If they are more square cut hole they may hang up.?

The husky socket that i was primarily using had a flat bottom hole and no amount of pulling was getting it off. The retention is great, but i was just surprised at how hard it was to switch sockets.

 

[mike93lx]

I have a Milwaukee with pin detent. I took a well used long PH2 bit that was junk, cut it, ground off the sharp edges and keep it in a bit holder attached to the impact wrench. Could probably use whatever bit but it's what I had laying around.

Good idea

 

[ItsNemo]

Pin's ****...and I doubt most of you guys are pulling them off when lined up with the hole in a socket. I usually put the sockets on so the pin isn't through the hole just to make it easy to get them off.

Other thing is you can just leave a super short extension on the drive end locked in and use sockets on that. It does extend the length and decrease torque a bit but could be a cheaper solution.

 

[stercorarius]

Do the test and try various brands sockets.

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I would but I own only sunex and the two or three proto sockets and today is my one day off and I have a garage to clean.

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[stercorarius]

Pin's ****...and I doubt most of you guys are pulling them off when lined up with the hole in a socket.

100% sure I'm lining up the pin in the hole and the socket still comes off just fine.

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[shelbysguns]

buy the hog ring model anvil and swap over. pretty easy

 

[Handyfarmer]

I do not put the pin in the side with a hole in the socket, and for 95% of the socket use it is more than enough to keep the socket on,

if I am having trouble put the pin in the hole in the socket, and it will not drop off, such as with an extension, or a u joint/

 

[mike93lx]

Pin's ****...and I doubt most of you guys are pulling them off when lined up with the hole in a socket. I usually put the sockets on so the pin isn't through the hole just to make it easy to get them off.

Other thing is you can just leave a super short extension on the drive end locked in and use sockets on that. It does extend the length and decrease torque a bit but could be a cheaper solution.

I found that the socket would just fall off if i didn't line the pin up with the hole. Way more annoying than the trouble to remove, imo.

I thought about an extension, but this thing is quite long already. An extension will just make it unwieldy.

 

[KnurledNut]

singlecams did a video on this problem with an easy solution...

 

[mike93lx]

singlecams did a video on this problem with an easy solution...

That's exactly the level of retention i want. Thanks

 

[American Locomotive]

The only impact I used with a retention pin, had the pin sit so proud that you couldn't even push a socket on without first pushing the pin in. If the pin was lined up on the hole, there is absolutely no way you're pulling the socket off without pushing the pin in.

 

[PR1Gneon]

What about trimming the pin spring?

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[ItsNemo]

The only impact I used with a retention pin, had the pin sit so proud that you couldn't even push a socket on without first pushing the pin in. If the pin was lined up on the hole, there is absolutely no way you're pulling the socket off without pushing the pin in.

Yup, that's exactly my experience too...have to push the pin even to get the socket on.

 

[kctyphoon]

A true pin detention will NOT just "pull" off.. that's the whole point... and if you have one, don't use chrome sockets.. it won't end well..

 

[stercorarius]

A true pin detention will NOT just "pull" off.. that's the whole point... and if you have one, don't use chrome sockets.. it won't end well..

So what would you call the pin detent on the one's that do pull right off?

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[WittHay]

DeWalt uses a angled pin detent, makes it easier to get a socket on. Pins on impact extensions or universal joints are usually straight and a bit longer

When its new you cant pull the socket off when its lined up with the hole. I imagine after a lot of use especially if you don't line up the hole, the spring will lose tension and the end of the pin will wear down.

 

[ihateminimumwage]

So what would you call the pin detent on the one's that do pull right off?

Defective.

Pin detent is made to lock a socket on and use a tool to remove, not work like a ball detent. It's for situations where quick change of sockets isn't needed and if that socket drops, bad things can happen (at height, manufacturing, etc.).

If a hog ring impact isn't holding on to sockets, it's time to stretch the ring open again, replace the hog and o-ring or replace the socket.

OP, hog ring model is DCF899HB, and it looks like the anvil is N103884SV. Seems to average about $30 shipped if you want to make the swap.

 

[mike93lx]

Defective.

Pin detent is made to lock a socket on and use a tool to remove, not work like a ball detent. It's for situations where quick change of sockets isn't needed and if that socket drops, bad things can happen (at height, manufacturing, etc.).

If a hog ring impact isn't holding on to sockets, it's time to stretch the ring open again, replace the hog and o-ring or replace the socket.

OP, hog ring model is DCF899HB, and it looks like the anvil is N103884SV. Seems to average about $30 shipped if you want to make the swap.

Thanks for the part number. That price isn't terrible, but i'll try a file first

 

[catron44]

I recently picked up a DCF899 kit (High Torque 1/2" impact) for a smoking deal, but didn't really think about the socket retention as this is my first impact other than 1/4" drivers.

I had no idea that a detent pin requires using a pick to get the socket off. Not the end of the world as I am just using it around my home garage, infrequently and not for any major projects.

With that said, it's still a PIA. Any ideas on either modifying the pin to make it easier to remove (filing it down a bit?) or if it is easy/possible to swap it over to a hog ring anvil?

I had the same problem. I soaked the anvil in some oil (can't remember which) and it now works fine as far as I can remove the socket with my hand.

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