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Seller seems to be turning out to be a Craigslist flake. I have texted twice and no reply.



Dang, those are the worst [emoji849] just last weekend I went a looked at an overpriced and undersized Dunlap that the seller was not willing to negotiate on.. hence it sits in his storage unit but I know I will find the right one!


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I believe that’s an Atlas base. It’s likely an Atlas column too. How tall is it?

That is an early 150 that was likely repainted. It was probably gold originally. My swag is that it was a bench model conversion.

Thanks Frank, I knew you would know the answer. The column is 60 inches tall and approximately 0.130" wall thickness.
 

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Not that I needed a second one, but I saw this one advertised only a few miles away and snagged it. I had passed up several others in the last few months that were trashed, rusted up, drilled six ways from Sunday, either to mount lights, switches or all manner of things, and worse. I even saw one with the table literally cut in half and a board mounted over what was left of it. :wtf:

So, with that baseline, this one was worth jumping on and I had to have it. Paid more than it was worth, but what can you do?

Here's a few shots from the seller:

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Some issues it had going on:
  • Cracked table mount from over tightening :confused:
  • Non-original pulleys, including the spindle pulley :headscrat
  • Buggered up threads on the spindle from the last time someone removed the chuck, by using a wedge against said threads. :mad:

Good things:
  • Same model and approximate vintage as my other one, so my spare parts would fit both.
  • Original motor, complete with original cord, and in great shape.
  • Not drilled except for two tiny holes that look to have once held a pulley cover.
  • Came with a nice 4" ENCO milling vise, which doesn't have a single mark on it.

Pics of the pulleys:

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Yes, someone actually turned down the original spindle pulley and slipped this replacement pulley over what was left. I admire the ingenuity, but question the rationale when parts are readily available.

Here's the table support, which is no doubt the result of some lunkhead over tightening it:

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Cracked on both sides (top and bottom too!) so at least there's symmetry. :dunno:

Obviously that's not going to get re-used.

I did contemplate simply parting this out, harvesting the good bits for my other drill press, but then... what kind of a GJ member would I be if I did that? :confused:
 

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So first things first, let's see what we have in the parts and accessories drawer:

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And some goodies that arrived a few days later in the mail:

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As a bonus, this spindle came with the 633C chuck, with the fluted collar. Should be a nice upgrade from dried up and squeaky 6A that's on the original spindle.

And here's a correct spindle pulley I found:

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The astute reader probably spotted that Atlas lift mechanism on the bench in the previous post. Since I had it laying around, why not?

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All three original pulleys that actually line up. I'm sure the OCD readers can appreciate this as much as I do. :thumbup:

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Why have one when you can have two? Certainly better than parting it out. :beer:
 

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You Midwest and east coast guys **** [emoji849] I would offer $100? Aren’t those fairly rare even over there ?


They are not too common, but do show up occasionally.


The mohawk below was on local cl for a few weeks and I think someone here finally snagged it for $20.

$50 in Romeo, MI
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Not that I needed a second one, but I saw this one advertised only a few miles away and snagged it. I had passed up several others in the last few months that were trashed, rusted up, drilled six ways from Sunday, either to mount lights, switches or all manner of things, and worse. I even saw one with the table literally cut in half and a board mounted over what was left of it. :wtf:

So, with that baseline, this one was worth jumping on and I had to have it. Paid more than it was worth, but what can you do?

Here's a few shots from the seller:


Some issues it had going on:
  • Cracked table mount from over tightening :confused:
  • Non-original pulleys, including the spindle pulley :headscrat
  • Buggered up threads on the spindle from the last time someone removed the chuck, by using a wedge against said threads. :mad:

Good things:
  • Same model and approximate vintage as my other one, so my spare parts would fit both.
  • Original motor, complete with original cord, and in great shape.
  • Not drilled except for two tiny holes that look to have once held a pulley cover.
  • Came with a nice 4" ENCO milling vise, which doesn't have a single mark on it.

Pics of the pulleys:

Yes, someone actually turned down the original spindle pulley and slipped this replacement pulley over what was left. I admire the ingenuity, but question the rationale when parts are readily available.

Here's the table support, which is no doubt the result of some lunkhead over tightening it:


Cracked on both sides (top and bottom too!) so at least there's symmetry. :dunno: Obviously that's not going to get re-used.

I did contemplate simply parting this out, harvesting the good bits for my other drill press, but then... what kind of a GJ member would I be if I did that? :confused:


So first things first, let's see what we have in the parts and accessories drawer:


And some goodies that arrived a few days later in the mail:


As a bonus, this spindle came with the 633C chuck, with the fluted collar. Should be a nice upgrade from dried up and squeaky 6A that's on the original spindle.

And here's a correct spindle pulley I found:


The astute reader probably spotted that Atlas lift mechanism on the bench in the previous post. Since I had it laying around, why not?


All three original pulleys that actually line up. I'm sure the OCD readers can appreciate this as much as I do. :thumbup:


Why have one when you can have two? Certainly better than parting it out. :beer:

Kudos on that save! You have much more tenacity and patience than me.
 

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They are not too common, but do show up occasionally.


The mohawk below was on local cl for a few weeks and I think someone here finally snagged it for $20.



I am amazed at how much price and availability varies by regions! Whoever got that for $20 did great! One of the reasons I like the Mohawk so much is that the table has the shavings channel around it versus the king seeley that just has a flat edge


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Re: The Classic Craftsman 100/150 Drill Press

Not sure if there’s any interest but I have this base that might be a good base for something. 8e775d6220e5bae6f7dab9e59b3a8ff4.jpg 8ed9fbc46543b5710a03d4b8ec33c2d3.jpg
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Re: The Classic Craftsman 100/150 Drill Press

So I have a lead on an early model 100... I put out a want ad and a guy responded. It has the early single long feed handle and nice original paint. Table look clean with no marks. Metal should clean up well. I cant remember what years the early feed handle was made ? I am going to check it out next weekend while at a swap meet.

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So I have a lead on an early model 100... I put out a want ad and a guy responded. It has the early single long feed handle and nice original paint. Table look clean with no marks. Metal should clean up well. I cant remember what years the early feed handle was made ? I am going to check it out next weekend while at a swap meet.

It's an early 13-1/2" because the chuck does not have the safety collar. Whether it's an 80 or 100 depends on it's age. Craftsman 13-1/2" drill presses were last seen in the 1957 catalog (no catalog for 1958).





DP#73 is a floor standing 100, model 103.23140. I believe it's a 1951 model... early cast handles and panel screws instead of machine screws on the trim panel.

It's got a too-fast 3450 rpm Craftsman motor with a single step pulley and a rapid adjust collar from a 3rd-gen Emerson dp.

After I started disassembling, I also discovered the return spring was missing! When I was inspecting at the seller's place, quill feed was very stiff, so I could not tell it was gone. Fortunately, I have spares.

With the dp deal, I also picked a Craftsman 12" band saw model 103.24280 and a Craftsman #2457 Hold-Down and Guide for drill presses.

 
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Paint Matching? (Re: Craftsman Drill Press)

Is it possible with today's paint-stores and tech to get exact paint matching, or is the idea a pipe-dream?

I went to Sherwin-Williams with the Rear Cover Plate of my 1969 CM drillpress because I heard they could use a scanner-tool to color-match a batch of paint. But the guy there said it wouldn't look the same because my part looked metallic and that I should maybe try an automotive paint-store. :confused:

What color did they use around 1969 for CM DPs and bench-grinders (like the one in the last page)? (BTW, if you all speak highly that bench-grinder maybe I should get one?)

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Also, a thank you to FrankLee for my DP's gear-cover.
 
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Re: Paint Matching? (Re: Craftsman Drill Press)

Is it possible with today's paint-stores and tech to get exact paint matching, or is the idea a pipe-dream?

I went to Sherwin-Williams with the Rear Cover Plate of my 1969 CM drillpress because I heard they could use a scanner-tool to color-match a batch of paint. But the guy there said it wouldn't look the same because my part looked metallic and that I should maybe try an automotive paint-store. :confused:

What color did they use around 1969 for CM DPs and bench-grinders (like the one in the last page)? (BTW, if you all speak highly that bench-grinder maybe I should get one?)

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Also, a thank you to FrankLee for my DP's gear-cover.

You're welcome. I'm glad you can use it.

Sorry I can't help with paint matching.
 

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I even saw one with the table literally cut in half and a board mounted over what was left of it. :wtf:

Realized I still had pics of this, so felt compelled to share.

Here's the photo from the CL ad:

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And this is what the seller texted me when I asked how it looked underneath the board:

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Claimed they had no idea it was like that when they listed it for $200.

:wtf:
 

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Realized I still had pics of this, so felt compelled to share.

Here's the photo from the CL ad:

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And this is what the seller texted me when I asked how it looked underneath the board:

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Claimed they had no idea it was like that when they listed it for $200.

:wtf:



Looks like it got knocked over and the table cracked in the weakest spot ! I would pass for $200[emoji23]


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It's an early 13-1/2" because the chuck does not have the safety collar. Whether it's an 80 or 100 depends on it's age. Craftsman 13-1/2" drill presses were last seen in the 1957 catalog (no catalog for 1958).

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Looks like the seller confirmed model number 103.23640 is on the base so looks to be an early 13.5” model? I don’t know if the motor is original so I will check the date code when I see it.


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Realized I still had pics of this, so felt compelled to share.

Here's the photo from the CL ad:


And this is what the seller texted me when I asked how it looked underneath the board:


Claimed they had no idea it was like that when they listed it for $200.

:wtf:
Looks like it got knocked over and the table cracked in the weakest spot ! I would pass for $200[emoji23]

Yikes! That's different.

Yeah, it probably fell over, but it looks clean cut. Who knows.
 
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Looks like the seller confirmed model number 103.23640 is on the base so looks to be an early 13.5” model? I don’t know if the motor is original so I will check the date code when I see it.

That does look like a very nice machine!

The table top looks flawless and the paint looks good too. I have a buyer for one like that if I can find one in that condition.
 

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That does look like a very nice machine!



The table top looks flawless and the paint looks good too. I have a buyer for one like that if I can find one in that condition.



I have a period correct motor rat holed away and still have one of your o ring kits as well. I also have some bearings I bought for a 150 but i believe those will fit ?


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I have a period correct motor rat holes away and still have one of your o ring kits as well. I also have some bearings I bought for a 150 but i believe those will fit ?

Yes, quill/spindle bearings and spindle pulley bearings are the same sizes on the 13-1/2" and 15-1/2" drill presses.
 

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Yes, quill/spindle bearings and spindle pulley bearings are the same sizes on the 13-1/2" and 15-1/2" drill presses.



Nice! My new garage is not as big as my old one so every bit of space helps, especially since my work bench is smaller as well

In terms of paint cleaning, what do you use? I have seen you use bar keepers friend in the past but is that needed if this one is pretty clean ?

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38989 Spring

Time to replace the Spring.

The pics bellow show my DP, model 113.24580. And a picture of an "Craftsman 38989 Drill Press Feed Return Spring Genuine Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM)" if bought new.

Questions:

1. What are the specs on the OEM spring (LBf, Length, Diameter, etc.)?
2. What tips do I need to know about installing it (Grease application, etc.)?

Is there any reason I cannot go to the local hardware store and dig through their springs until I find a spring that looks similar? Seems like a real simple setup: Two pins and a spring. Is there anything I need to keep in mind about installing and using it to make sure no wear-n-tear or damage happens?

Thx.

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Re: 38989 Spring

Time to replace the Spring.

The pics bellow show my DP, model 113.24580. And a picture of an "Craftsman 38989 Drill Press Feed Return Spring Genuine Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM)" if bought new.

Questions:

1. What are the specs on the OEM spring (LBf, Length, Diameter, etc.)?
2. What tips do I need to know about installing it (Grease application, etc.)?

Is there any reason I cannot go to the local hardware store and dig through their springs until I find a spring that looks similar? Seems like a real simple setup: Two pins and a spring. Is there anything I need to keep in mind about installing and using it to make sure no wear-n-tear or damage happens?

Thx.

That's pretty uncommon for a spring to snap like that. I usually see them twisted out of shape.

Your hub assembly is identical to or interchangeable with the late 150 hub assembly.

Anyway, check this post for dimensions, etc.
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6347474#post6347474
I don't know strength specs.

This post may also be helpful.
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6347465#post6347465
At the time I wrote that post, the spring was still available on SPD... not anymore.

I usually run a bead of Super Lube oil along the length of the spring barrel when assembling.

That broken spring may be useful on an early machine if you can bend that last half loop into a tang.
 
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This one has been on Cedar Rapids Craig's List locally for quite a while. If I weren't laid up for the winter, I would go look at it. $65 seems like decent price.

https://cedarrapids.craigslist.org/tls/d/cedar-rapids-vintage-craftsman-drill/7009835443.html

Looks over priced to me. Table with holes all over it and too many missing parts (the motor pulley in addition to what he listed). Just the wobble in the chuck is a red flag all by itself. I think if you can find a better deal if you are looking for one to restore. This would be a good parts donor at a lower price.
 

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Hey Folks, I stumbled onto another cman drill press. I wasn't looking for anything but there it was on clist - $80. It's dirty and needs a good cleaning but all there and not a mark on the table. It's a model 103.24501. Might even be the motor that was originally put on it. When I got it home I was thinking what kind of cluster-F switch did this guy put on it? Then I recalled I saw something like it in one of the old Sears catalogs and sure enough, there it was in the one I checked - 1957. It's too funky and cool not to keep on it. Thought you Guys might get a kick out of it. - Jim
 

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Hey Folks, I stumbled onto another cman drill press. I wasn't looking for anything but there it was on clist - $80. It's dirty and needs a good cleaning but all there and not a mark on the table. It's a model 103.24501. Might even be the motor that was originally put on it. When I got it home I was thinking what kind of cluster-F switch did this guy put on it? Then I recalled I saw something like it in one of the old Sears catalogs and sure enough, there it was in the one I checked - 1957. It's too funky and cool not to keep on it. Thought you Guys might get a kick out of it. - Jim

Yes, very cool! I've never seen one of those fused switches or receptacles before and never noticed them in catalogs.

I believe that is the original motor to the machine. Although the date code is H65, August 1965, it seems rather late for a King-Seeley machine. So, I dunno.

Nice find!
 
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hi first time poster on this thread... I found a 150 on CL for $150 and am going to look at it tomorrow. it is model 103.24531 from reading your thread I understand to check overall condition and the runout.(in my knuckle dragger navy mind that means put a piece on straight drill rod or something similar in the chuck and rotate the motor pulley and see if it wobbles, is that correct?) any assistance would be appreciated. I am not sure if that price is in the ball park or not.
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hi first time poster on this thread... I found a 150 on CL for $150 and am going to look at it tomorrow. it is model 103.24531 from reading your thread I understand to check overall condition and the runout.(in my knuckle dragger navy mind that means put a piece on straight drill rod or something similar in the chuck and rotate the motor pulley and see if it wobbles, is that correct?) any assistance would be appreciated. I am not sure if that price is in the ball park or not.
thanks
YES! That will work.
If you have a Magnetic dial indicator, better yet. Depends what your working on, but generally up to about .003-.005 is acceptable.
Depending on condition, I'd always make a lower offer.
 

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hi first time poster on this thread... I found a 150 on CL for $150 and am going to look at it tomorrow. it is model 103.24531 from reading your thread I understand to check overall condition and the runout.(in my knuckle dragger navy mind that means put a piece on straight drill rod or something similar in the chuck and rotate the motor pulley and see if it wobbles, is that correct?) any assistance would be appreciated. I am not sure if that price is in the ball park or not.
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Be sure to post pictures if you get it now!:beer:
 
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hi first time poster on this thread... I found a 150 on CL for $150 and am going to look at it tomorrow. it is model 103.24531 from reading your thread I understand to check overall condition and the runout.(in my knuckle dragger navy mind that means put a piece on straight drill rod or something similar in the chuck and rotate the motor pulley and see if it wobbles, is that correct?) any assistance would be appreciated. I am not sure if that price is in the ball park or not.
thanks

Yes.

In addition, someone much earlier also recommended to grab the chuck with one hand and the spindle pulley with the other. Rotate against each other and feel for play. There should be very little play. Excessive play means that the splines in the pulley are worn.
Check this post for issues with the spindle pulley:
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=4771515&post4771515


Condition, optional accessories or attachments, region and want-vs.-need are all major factors in price.
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Awesome ! thank for all the advice and will let you all know how things go...I now have 2 options to check out on Saturday thanks again also I do know one of them has a on/off switch that has been changed/replaced but I am sure it can be put back to original
 

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Re: The Classic Craftsman 100/150 Drill Press

That looks like a base for the rare builders saw.
I would see if anyone over at owwm is looking for one.


Not sure if there’s any interest but I have this base that might be a good base for something. 8e775d6220e5bae6f7dab9e59b3a8ff4.jpg 8ed9fbc46543b5710a03d4b8ec33c2d3.jpg
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MarkDePonzi

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Hi
I spotted this on Craigs list was thinking of buying it can anyone give me information about this Drill Press .
I really don't know anything about this older Craftsman but was thinking if I bought it I could clean it up and it would be a solid tool . Can You still get parts for these. Is this a good idea or should I pass on this ?
Thanks
 

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