Craftsman Drill Press

[bubinga]

One of these days I'll fix my PC and get back into GJ full force. Until that time, I'm stuck with my phone's browser

Understood! I prefer the pc view as well!


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Are you using the Tap A talk App.
Its made for phones.

 

[Smokeshow69]

Are you using the Tap A talk App.
Its made for phones.

Yes I do but I like the bigger screen and other features of a pc over a phone but the phone works. I use the garage journal app.


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[Rileysan]

Are you using the Tap A talk App.
Its made for phones.

Tapatalk broke when the server was updated a couple of months ago. Or more accurately, Tapatalk ceased working on my phone. Even if it worked, I'm in agreement with Smokeshow - I prefer reading threads using a PC

Brian

 

[bubinga]

Yes I do but I like the bigger screen and other features of a pc over a phone but the phone works. I use the garage journal app.


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Oh Yeah, 1005 better on a P/C.
You miss details on the phone a lot.
but some sites that are "desktop sites" I can't even read them on my phone.

 

[FrankLee]

Measure the ID of the column. If you have a 2 3/8” ID then get rid of the snap ring altogether. The snap rings are there for 2 1/2” ID columns on later models.

Again make sure you are using the right end of the column. The right side will have a machined inner bore and will have almost a shelf so the plug won’t fall in.

Exactly.

I've seen at least three versions of the Operating/Installation Instructions for the MSA. There is one on that vintage machines website which has no date or form number and mentions very little about installing this accessory on different machines.


I know there are two other versions of the document, Form No 2747 and Form No 2747-2 (no date on either). There is much more information about installing the MSA on different models of drill presses and when to use or discard the rings and sleeve. I can't find those docs at the moment.

 

[BlueHeart]

I've read and re-read this thread a few times, but it doesn't sink in as well for me, when I don't have a DP. Until now..

I don't have any assembled "before" pics as I tore it down to bring it home. I've got some other projects in process until I can complete the restoral. Thanks to this thread, I do know the column was upside down.

 

[BlueHeart]

Here's some before pics.

 

[sheltonfilms]

Here's some before pics.

Get a motor with it? 56 or 57 I would think. Got the rapid adjust nut.


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[BlueHeart]

Yes, it does. April of 53.

 

[honza.vosalik]

I ended up picking up this DP marked as 103.23130. It has what I assume is an added pulley and oddly cut motor mount rods. Main functional issue is that motor only starts when I help it, otherwise it just buzzes. Motor has 1450rpm, 1/2hp, marked D3-48. Model 115 6983.

As you can see, the DP is in good company.

 

[Outlawmws]

Sounds like a start capacitor issue.

 

[honza.vosalik]

Sounds like a start capacitor issue.

Any clue if there are direct replacements available?

 

[Outlawmws]

There should be however you need to dismount the motor unless there is a capacitor housing on the outside. if not there it will be underneath base, (unless its a starter winding motor)

 

[honza.vosalik]

There should be however you need to dismount the motor unless there is a capacitor housing on the outside. if not there it will be underneath base, (unless its a starter winding motor)

Assembly wise it seems similar to this motor http://vintagemachinery.org/pubs/detail.aspx?id=16670 part 45
Looks like the capacitor is flat, I have mostly seen only round ones, so I was wondering if they are still available in the same dimensions too.

 

[Outlawmws]

Modern electrolytic caps are a lot smaller than the ones "back in the day". Odds of finding one that shape are slim, and any NOS cap from back than is also past it usable shelf life.

If the round caps are too small, look up how to combine caps for the same Mfd, (plus or minus the tolerance...) the voltage just needs to be above the voltage you are hooking up to (so presumably >125 many caps are 150 so should not be an issue)

 

[paulm12]

Does anybody have any diagrams (mechanical) on an old Emerson Electric motor. My recent DP came with this 1/4 hp motor, and I would at least like to open up and lightly clean the contacts, etc and also replace bearings if I can find a drawing.

Emerson Electric 1/4 hp
FR: S60PR
Style: 1233 25419
RPM: 1725

Thanks.

 

[Outlawmws]

That is a very basic motor. Unlikely to find a parts diagram for it, but just go slow and take pics and mark parts. Don't force anything.

 

[sheltonfilms]

Does anybody have any diagrams (mechanical) on an old Emerson Electric motor. My recent DP came with this 1/4 hp motor, and I would at least like to open up and lightly clean the contacts, etc and also replace bearings if I can find a drawing.



Emerson Electric 1/4 hp

FR: S60PR

Style: 1233 25419

RPM: 1725



Thanks.

Personally I would look for a higher horse motor. 1/4 is really low for one of these presses. I would go minimum 1/3, 1/2 being the better choice.


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[paulm12]

Shelton: I have access to a 1/2hp motor from an old table saw, but for now I just want to get this one running if I can. I want to use the DP for smaller woodworking projects, so the 1/4 hp should be ok for a while. Thanks

 

[paulm12]

Outlaw: yeah, I've certainly learned to take the pics. But is nice to have a diagram to fall back on. Thanks.

 

[sheltonfilms]

Shelton: I have access to a 1/2hp motor from an old table saw, but for now I just want to get this one running if I can. I want to use the DP for smaller woodworking projects, so the 1/4 hp should be ok for a while. Thanks

That 1/2 on the table saw is probably 3450 rpm. You need 1750/1725 rpm for a dp.


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[Outlawmws]

That 1/2 on the table saw is probably 3450 rpm. You need 1750/1725 rpm for a dp.


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I've seen and have some that are even slower are 1100 ish RPMS, and if its a 4 speed DP, that would be better for metal.

 

[paulm12]

the table saw motor is a 1750 rpm unit, so it would work well too. Thanks.

 

[exmaxima1]

I've seen and have some that are even slower are 1100 ish RPMS, and if its a 4 speed DP, that would be better for metal.

I installed a 1100 rev motor on my drill press and even without a middle pulley the lowest speed is now around 280rpm. Plenty slow for most metal applications.

 

[paulm12]

Took one end cover off of the Emerson motor. There was alot of old grease here, what I thought was 1 thick washer was really 3 of them, including a thin spring washer. I cleaned out the end cap bearing/bushing (a bit) in mineral spirits with a small brush. So is this showing a bushing with channels in it for grease? At first I thought the bushing was scored, but the channels are symmetric. And is that washer on the outside of the cover plugging a grease channel?

Thanks.

 

[ttpete]

Took one end cover off of the Emerson motor. There was alot of old grease here, what I thought was 1 thick washer was really 3 of them, including a thin spring washer. I cleaned out the end cap bearing/bushing (a bit) in mineral spirits with a small brush. So is this showing a bushing with channels in it for grease? At first I thought the bushing was scored, but the channels are symmetric. And is that washer on the outside of the cover plugging a grease channel?

Thanks.

That's a sleeve bearing motor and underneath that washer is an oil wick. It's probably clogged up with grease, which should not have been used. That motor wasn't really designed for vertical shaft operation because it doesn't have a thrust bearing. You should really use a ball bearing motor.

 

[paulm12]

excellent explanation Pete, thanks. So does that washer come out easy? Would like to see and learn.

And it looks like I will be using a different motor after all (the comments earlier suggested that already).

Thanks again.

 

[ttpete]

excellent explanation Pete, thanks. So does that washer come out easy? Would like to see and learn.

And it looks like I will be using a different motor after all (the comments earlier suggested that already).

Thanks again.

That washer is just a press fit.

 

[paulm12]

so do I drill/punch a hole in the center area of that washer and pull out to remove?

 

[ttpete]

so do I drill/punch a hole in the center area of that washer and pull out to remove?

It looks more like a cup than a washer.

 

[honza.vosalik]

I took the motor off my dp tonight. Here's details of what I found.

 

[Craptain]

I took the motor off my dp tonight. Here's details of what I found.

Oh my!
That's not nice.

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[FrankLee]

I took the motor off my dp tonight. Here's details of what I found.

Wow! What's your plan going forward?
I would be tearing the whole thing down and checking out the rest of the parts before looking for replacement parts.

 

[honza.vosalik]

Wow! What's your plan going forward?
I would be tearing the whole thing down and checking out the rest of the parts before looking for replacement parts.

My guess is that either the whole thing tipped over at some point or the damage was done when the guy was doing the mods for the third pulley. I'll never know.

I have not found anything else damaged. if I can find parts for a reasonable price, then I'll replace them.

My goal is to get the motor working - replace the power cord and the capacitor. I'm also thinking about repainting the motor.

 

[paulm12]

quick update on the 1/4 hp Emerson motor that came with my recent DP. Since I will be replacing the motor, I took the oil cap off to see what it looks like. I am surprised by how much wicking material there is on these motors. It looked pretty dry, but is deceiving, since I had used some spirits to clean up the bushing before opening up the oil wick cap. We'll see how damp the other end looks.

And yes, I mangled the cap. I will try to get this motor cleaned up and back together at a later date, so I will need to find some wick material, directions on replacing, and new caps.

Thanks.

 

[rshub]

Finally got to work on my DP last night. Broke down nicely, even the column came out of the base easily! Don't have a lathe so I rigged this up to my drill to clean the base.


2" PVC jammed into the base well, then I used my heat gun to soften the PVC and clamped it to a hole saw bit. Laid the column on some casters and voila!



Other pics show the column half cleaned and then finished. Got to polish up a few other parts as well.




Next up is trying get the spindle pulley bearings off and cleaned. Going to try Franks contraption to pull them off!

 

[JZiggy]

I took a leaf from FrankLee's book for my chuck key:

 

[rshub]

Hey JZiggy - do you mean to leave a link on your last thread?

 

[FrankLee]

I took a leaf from FrankLee's book for my chuck key:

Hey JZiggy - do you mean to leave a link on your last thread?

JZ is using imgur and it doesn't usually display a photo unless the "s" is removed from "https".


Before: [img]https://i.imgur.com/MXdxoYC.jpg[/img]

After: [img]http://i.imgur.com/MXdxoYC.jpg[/img]



Does this work?:

 

[rshub]

Got it! Thanks.