Craftsman Drill Press

[Weissbier]

Dp 52

FrankLee - you did a beautiful job cleaning up that rusty band around the motor. How did you get it so clean and not destroy the dual texturing?

 

[FrankLee]

Re: Dp 52

FrankLee - you did a beautiful job cleaning up that rusty band around the motor. How did you get it so clean and not destroy the dual texturing?

Thanks.

Vinegar and Meguiar's Cleaner Wax. That's actually well used white vinegar in the picture below that the dp#52 band is soaking in.

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Check these posts:
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5753907
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=4682592&post4682592

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Below is the motor band from dp#46 that was much more rusty. It still cleaned up acceptably, even though it has permanent pitting.

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3/12/2019 13:00

dp#52 is complete. Click photo for the start-to-finish refurb.

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[bubinga]

I heated the bearings to about 200F using a 60W incandescent light bulb. I used an oven to heat the quill.

Do you just sort of guess as to the temperature?

I got the bearings installed yesterday. I deviated a little bit from FrankLee's suggested (Heat/Freeze) process.

For the Pulley Bearings:

1. Heat the both spindle bearings & freeze the pulley assembly
2. Apply retaining compound to the pulley shaft
3. Install first heated bearing onto frozen pulley shaft
4. Install the spacer onto the shaft.
5. Install second heated bearing onto the frozen pulley shaft
6. Install snap-ring into shaft groove above the 2nd bearing.

Good Job.
I remember doing mine, But my pulley may have been worn, as the bearings almost fell on.
I used retaining compound on the pulley shaft, Can't recall, but It may have been a retaining compound, Intended for worn shafts?

 

[DaveT]

Hello I am I new member or should I say vintage tool addict. I just purchased a 1944-1946 (not sure of the exact year) Craftsman Industrial Floor model drill press 101.24820 made by Atlas. I kind of poked around but didn't see too much info on this model. This is going to be my first restore project (If I can figure it all out). I have run up against my first challenge that I hope someone can help me with.

First here are a couple pics of the DP (hope this works)



Now here is my first issue. I can not get the Quill out. I can see that the quill crank shaft has to be removed first but it is still being held in by something. I think the end assembly that the 4 handles attach to need to be removed so that the shaft can be removed through the left side of the head.

This is the right side of the head were the handle assembly is connected to the end of the shaft.


And this is the left side of the head were the spring tension assembly has bee removed as well as the set screw right underneath that assembly,


Thanks

 

[FrankLee]

Hello I am I new member or should I say vintage tool addict. I just purchased a 1944-1946 (not sure of the exact year) Craftsman Industrial Floor model drill press 101.24820 made by Atlas. I kind of poked around but didn't see too much info on this model. This is going to be my first restore project (If I can figure it all out). I have run up against my first challenge that I hope someone can help me with.

First here are a couple pics of the DP (hope this works)



Now here is my first issue. I can not get the Quill out. I can see that the quill crank shaft has to be removed first but it is still being held in by something. I think the end assembly that the 4 handles attach to need to be removed so that the shaft can be removed through the left side of the head.

This is the right side of the head were the handle assembly is connected to the end of the shaft.


And this is the left side of the head were the spring tension assembly has bee removed as well as the set screw right underneath that assembly,


Thanks

Welcome Dave!

• remove the set screw from the center of the feed handle hub
• slide out the pin that is on the inboard side of the hub.
  The pin could be a little stubborn.
• pull the hub off the pinion shaft
• loosen the set screw from the pinion shaft collar
• remove the pinion shaft collar
  You may need to address a burr from the set screw on the pinion shaft before removing it.
• support or lock the quill
  It will fall when the pinion is removed.
• push/pull the pinion shaft out the left side
• release and remove the quill

 

[DaveT]

Frank,

Thanks so much for your quick response. The setscrew in the end of the crank assembly hub was missing. I do not see any pin on the inboard side that you mentioned.

 

[FrankLee]

Frank,

Thanks so much for your quick response. The setscrew in the end of the crank assembly hub was missing. I do not see any pin on the inboard side that you mentioned.

The set screw is deep inside the hub. It’s actually threaded into the pinion shaft.

 

[DaveT]

"Now I see said the blind man" Got it! Thanks so much Frank
It was covered in grease so I didn't see it

 

[FrankLee]

"Now I see said the blind man" Got it! Thanks so much Frank

Glad I could help. I’m looking forward to following your progress.

 

[Cruzan80]

Re: The Classic Craftsman 100/150 Drill Press

Dave, wondering how you decided on the dating. AFAIK, there were not any war records for Sears between 43 and 47

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[DaveT]

I based the date range because this Drill Press Model number 101.24820 did not show up in any of the catalogs up to 1943 and comparing the pictures in the 40’s catalogs in 1942&43 the on off switch is the same as this model. I think in 1947 the Drill Presses began to be manufactured by King Seeley so they have the 103.xxxxx numbers. So I figured it must have fallen in the years when ther was no Catalogs.

 

[FrankLee]

I based the date range because this Drill Press Model number 101.24820 did not show up in any of the catalogs up to 1943 and comparing the pictures in the 40’s catalogs in 1942&43 the on off switch is the same as this model. I think in 1947 the Drill Presses began to be manufactured by King Seeley so they have the 103.xxxxx numbers. So I figured it must have fallen in the years when ther was no Catalogs.

Yours is an interesting machine. I never knew that Atlas used the heritage oval badge. Previously, I've only seen the 3-D oval badge on Atlas.

After looking on VM, there are a couple DP models with the heritage oval badge; 101.24810 (bench model) and 101.24820 (floor standing model).
http://vintagemachinery.org/mfgIndex/detail.aspx?id=222&tab=4&sort=2&th=false&fl=Drill Press



As far as I know, the model numbers were not listed in catalogs, and catalog numbers did not always correspond to model numbers.

It was very difficult for civilians to get many things during WWII. Below is an excerpt from a 1944 Sears catalog page.

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[Outlawmws]

Apparently there was some overlap for KS and Atlas, I have a DP manual for a 103 KS DP from Oct. 1946. That's the earliest instance of the heritage oval I'm aware of

If that Atlas has the oval, then I would expect it to be no earlier than 46, and no later than 47, (No catalog here) as the Atlas disappeared from the catalogs by 48, which claims to be the first post war full line catalog since the war.

Atlas does appear in catalogs as early as 1935, and possibly an earlier variant in 33. but obv. not with the heritage oval.

 

[sheltonfilms]

Yours is an interesting machine. I never knew that Atlas used the heritage oval badge. Previously, I've only seen the 3-D oval badge on Atlas.

After looking on VM, there are a couple DP models with the heritage oval badge; 101.24810 (bench model) and 101.24820 (floor standing model).
http://vintagemachinery.org/mfgIndex/detail.aspx?id=222&tab=4&sort=2&th=false&fl=Drill Press



As far as I know, the model numbers were not listed in catalogs, and catalog numbers did not always correspond to model numbers.

It was very difficult for civilians to get many things during WWII. Below is an excerpt from a 1944 Sears catalog page.

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Model years are somewhat listed in catalogs. My 1947 two handle benchtop is a 103.23640.

In the 1948 catalog it list this One without the motor as “99 TM 2364”

I’ve checked this for a few items and it seems to be pretty consistent.

Manufacturer code + last 4 of catalog # + another digit (mostly 0 or 1).

My 56 is a 103.24821 with catalog stating “99 TM 2482”

Wondering if the last digit is some sort of revision or check digit?




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[sheltonfilms]

Re: The Classic Craftsman 100/150 Drill Press

I think the last digit is a revision. 1947 benchtop had 0 at the end and 1952 model had “1” at the end. According to your data frank 52 seemed to have a big change with the Jacobs chuck.




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[FrankLee]

Re: The Classic Craftsman 100/150 Drill Press

Model years are somewhat listed in catalogs. My 1947 two handle benchtop is a 103.23640.

In the 1948 catalog it list this One without the motor as “99 TM 2364”

I’ve checked this for a few items and it seems to be pretty consistent.

Manufacturer code + last 4 of catalog # + another digit (mostly 0 or 1).

My 56 is a 103.24821 with catalog stating “99 TM 2482”

Wondering if the last digit is some sort of revision or check digit?

I agree that the King-Seeley drill press model numbers and catalog numbers matched up consistently. Other manufacturers, not so much.

For example, bench grinders:

• In 1957, bench grinder model 115.7566 was catalog number 1951.
• In 1960-61, bench grinder 397.19501 was catalog number 1950.

Bench grinder catalog numbers xx1950, xx1951 and xx1952 were in catalogs from 1954 through 1963.


So, going back to the Atlas discussion, I did not see any catalog/model numbers match up pre-war. I did not check them all.

I think the last digit is a revision. 1947 benchtop had 0 at the end and 1952 model had “1” at the end. According to your data frank 52 seemed to have a big change with the Jacobs chuck.

I'm not sure what that last digit means. Knowing how many changes were made to K-S drill presses between 1946 and 1955 (years of model numbers 103.2313n and 103.2314n), it hardly seems likely that the last digit "0" and "1" were enough. I'm not sure that mystery will ever be solved.

 

[chrisnazzy]

Re: The Classic Craftsman 100/150 Drill Press

Good morning. Here is one I'm going to pick up today. Only really looking for one of these great machines to refurbish and add to my garage so if any of you see anything out of the ordinary in these pics please let me know. Kind of curious as to the age but I've read that you can't pinpoint it.

Thanks in advance for any advice. Spent an hour last night reading lots of great info on here and I'm sure this thread will be indispensable in the future.

Chris

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[FrankLee]

Re: The Classic Craftsman 100/150 Drill Press

Good morning. Here is one I'm going to pick up today. Only really looking for one of these great machines to refurbish and add to my garage so if any of you see anything out of the ordinary in these pics please let me know. Kind of curious as to the age but I've read that you can't pinpoint it.

Thanks in advance for any advice. Spent an hour last night reading lots of great info on here and I'm sure this thread will be indispensable in the future.

Chris

Thanks for posting, Chris.

Nothing major out of the ordinary... it looks like another diamond in the rough.

• The engine turning is absent on the head frame trim panel. It could have been polished off or that's a custom piece.
• A custom switch on the left side.
• One feed handle was replaced.
• The motor and motor pulley do not look Craftsman.
• Because of the amount of spindle protruding above the spindle pulley, that machine has the typical bracket/quill/spindle/pulley/screw issue. Check this post:
  https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=4880745&post4880745

Keep us posted on the progress of your refurb.

 

[Cruzan80]

Apparently there was some overlap for KS and Atlas, I have a DP manual for a 103 KS DP from Oct. 1946. That's the earliest instance of the heritage oval I'm aware of

If that Atlas has the oval, then I would expect it to be no earlier than 46, and no later than 47, (No catalog here) as the Atlas disappeared from the catalogs by 48, which claims to be the first post war full line catalog since the war.

Atlas does appear in catalogs as early as 1935, and possibly an earlier variant in 33. but obv. not with the heritage oval.

King Seeley aka. 103 actually started in '42 with the Mohawk/Shark Fin design. The 0303 and 0305 were thought to be 42/43 models and the floor model 0304 was never in a catalog. My (purely WAG) guess is that someone had a logo laying around, and the previous Long C was damaged, so they swapped it.

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[FrankLee]

My (purely WAG) guess is that someone had a logo laying around, and the previous Long C was damaged, so they swapped it.

That's possible, but the panel screw spacing is different between those two badges.
There are also two photo submissions on VM of 101.24810 machines (bench versions of DaveT's machine) with the heritage logo.
http://vintagemachinery.org/photoindex/detail.aspx?id=10865
http://vintagemachinery.org/photoindex/detail.aspx?id=9585

There's also a photo of another 101.24820 on VM with no badge on the left side. I can't tell if that was intentional or not.
http://vintagemachinery.org/photoindex/detail.aspx?id=16838

 

[DaveT]

That's possible, but the panel screw spacing is different between those two badges.
There are also two photo submissions on VM of 101.24810 machines (bench versions of DaveT's machine) with the heritage logo.
http://vintagemachinery.org/photoindex/detail.aspx?id=10865
http://vintagemachinery.org/photoindex/detail.aspx?id=9585

There's also a photo of another 101.24820 on VM with no badge on the left side. I can't tell if that was intentional or not.
http://vintagemachinery.org/photoindex/detail.aspx?id=16838

Yea I don't think the badge was replaced. It looks to be original and the owner said this was a one family DP bought by his fathers father and used by machinist and auto mechanics. Didn't seem like they were much into restoration or aesthetics.

Frank, Thanks for the other links. That green benchtop is a beautiful restoration. I did not realize the SKF front logo was original. There was not much left on mine and the Simple Green bath removed what was there. I am going to have to do a little research to see if I can find a way to reprint one.

 

[FrankLee]

Yea I don't think the badge was replaced. It looks to be original and the owner said this was a one family DP bought by his fathers father and used by machinist and auto mechanics. Didn't seem like they were much into restoration or aesthetics.

Frank, Thanks for the other links. That green benchtop is a beautiful restoration. I did not realize the SKF front logo was original. There was not much left on mine and the Simple Green bath removed what was there. I am going to have to do a little research to see if I can find a way to reprint one.

Yeah, that’s a nice refurb.
The decal on it must be a re-pop. It’s not there in photo 5. If you’re not a member there, you could join and ask him where he got it.

 

[DaveT]

I have got most of the DP broken down except for removing the bearings from shafts and taking the Quill - Spindle apart.

I have a question about bearing replacement. I have been able to idetify all the bearing numbers. I called the local Motions Industries and they have all the bearings except for the 2 spindle/Quill bearings. here is a pic of the bearing and it sure looks like is says SKF 46604 RS. Google search comes up with nothing


I will attempt to do a restoration how to follow up at a later time with some of the things that that might help other when disassembling a similar model.

Here are a couple photos because everyone likes pictures!

 

[FrankLee]

Yeah, that’s a nice refurb.
The decal on it must be a re-pop. It’s not there in photo 5. If you’re not a member there, you could join and ask him where he got it.

Ebay:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/SKF-bearin...158196?hash=item23733bdc34:g:wGsAAOSwOVpXZJqL

 

[Bill C]

I am due for a much bigger update than this, as I’ve finally got my DP put back together and ready to drill some holes. Until then, I just wanted to quickly share how accurate these old “hobby” grade machines can be. For an almost 70 year old machine, I’m still measuring just 0.001” of total runout!

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[FrankLee]

dp#53

I am due for a much bigger update than this, as I’ve finally got my DP put back together and ready to drill some holes. Until then, I just wanted to quickly share how accurate these old “hobby” grade machines can be. For an almost 70 year old machine, I’m still measuring just 0.001” of total runout!

Excellent!

Eagerly waiting for the full update!




4/9/2019

DP#53 (Temperance,MI) is a King-Seeley model 103.24511.

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Pro's... it came with:

• a fabulous table
• nice original paint
• a mortising attachment, two mortising chisels, and one mortising bit
• a sanding drum and sleeves
• a set of hole saws
• an auxiliary table from a later Emerson dp

Con's... it came with:

• a visibly bent spindle

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4/10/2019

As I stated above, dp#53 came equipped with the undesirable bent spindle feature. Run-out measured 0.022 on the taper. Fortunately, I was able to correct it to 0.002... not bad! So, this dp will be a refurb.


The head frame sub-assemblies are cleaned and re-assembled.

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4/18/2019

The base... after a mineral spirits cleaning and after a Bar Keeper's Friend cleaning and wax:

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4/19/2019

DP#53 is complete and reassembled.

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[jbltwin1]

I've got a complete (almost) machine that I MAY never screw with. was in a house fire (MINE!) and motor, pulleys, aluminum stop all toast and gone. Hard parts are all there. Bearings are crunchy but there. Let me know if you need anything. I have three other functioning DP'S and was just going to do this one for sentimental (or mental!) reasons but really unsure. Base plate is fine but the tilt table has a chunk out of it. No clue how THAT happened. The fact that the pulleys are both gone makes it pretty much a basket case unless you actually HAVE them. Mike.

 

[FrankLee]

I've got a complete (almost) machine that I MAY never screw with. was in a house fire (MINE!) and motor, pulleys, aluminum stop all toast and gone. Hard parts are all there. Bearings are crunchy but there. Let me know if you need anything. I have three other functioning DP'S and was just going to do this one for sentimental (or mental!) reasons but really unsure. Base plate is fine but the tilt table has a chunk out of it. No clue how THAT happened. The fact that the pulleys are both gone makes it pretty much a basket case unless you actually HAVE them. Mike.

Thanks for the offer! What model number? If the model tag is missing do you know the series..100 or 150?

Someone recently was looking for a rapid-adjust feed stop.

 

[Bill C]

I've got a complete (almost) machine that I MAY never screw with. was in a house fire (MINE!) and motor, pulleys, aluminum stop all toast and gone. Hard parts are all there. Bearings are crunchy but there. Let me know if you need anything. I have three other functioning DP'S and was just going to do this one for sentimental (or mental!) reasons but really unsure. Base plate is fine but the tilt table has a chunk out of it. No clue how THAT happened. The fact that the pulleys are both gone makes it pretty much a basket case unless you actually HAVE them. Mike.

If it’s a model 150, I’d be interested in the rapid-adjust feed depth stop nut/rod

 

[ZBear]

Excellent!

Eagerly waiting for the full update!




4/9/2019

DP#53 (Temperance,MI) is a King-Seeley model 103.24511.

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Pro's... it came with:

• a fabulous table
• nice original paint
• a mortising attachment, two mortising chisels, and one mortising bit
• a sanding drum and sleeves
• a set of hole saws
• an auxiliary table from a later Emerson dp

Con's... it came with:

• a visibly bent spindle

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Wish you were going to part this one out and sell me the headband. I can only wish.

 

[sheltonfilms]

Re: The Classic Craftsman 100/150 Drill Press

I still need a whole depth stop rod, nut, and collar for mine.


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[Indexmill]

Thanks for the offer! What model number? If the model tag is missing do you know the series..100 or 150?

Someone recently was looking for a rapid-adjust feed stop.

That we me looking for a rapid-adjust feed stop assembly for a 150. Do you have one available? Thank you.

 

[jbltwin1]

model off of tag is 103.23840. The stop rod is intact (I think) but the collar must have been gone before because somebody had substituted a mortising collar for the stop collar. It's there but the aluminum one is gone. Mike.

 

[sheltonfilms]

model off of tag is 103.23840. The stop rod is intact (I think) but the collar must have been gone before because somebody had substituted a mortising collar for the stop collar. It's there but the aluminum one is gone. Mike.

You mean 103.23640?


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[jbltwin1]

Yup 640. I type like a 2 year old!

 

[lakandiwa]

Re: Craftsman "80" Drill Press - 103.23100

Hey Frank. Any idea if anyone has ever been able to install a mortising attachment to one of these Craftsman 80s? I was thinking of selling mine after getting a new Grizzly, but if I can use it for mortising, that'd be a good excuse to keep it around.

Best regards, Lakan de Leon

 

[FrankLee]

Re: Craftsman "80" Drill Press - 103.23100

Hey Frank. Any idea if anyone has ever been able to install a mortising attachment to one of these Craftsman 80s? I was thinking of selling mine after getting a new Grizzly, but if I can use it for mortising, that'd be a good excuse to keep it around.

Best regards, Lakan de Leon

Well, the quills on the 80, 100, and 150 are all 1-5/8” diameter, so the Craftsman mortising attachment would fit. I think the limiting factor may be the vertical space needed. I’m not familiar enough with 80s to be sure. You may be able to glean info from catalogs on VM to determine if it will work.

You could get more space if the table was removed and use the base for a work surface.

 

[Patrick Maloney]

Thanks Frank

You have been a great resource. I just started working on the Craftsman 150 drill press model number 103.24530. My father-in-law gave it to me. I have a few tools, but never owned a drill press and don’t have much experience using them. Found you guys looking for information about these drill presses.

I don’t know much about forums. I’m in the process of cleaning and organizing my garage. Maybe I’ll get some good ideas from this site.

Thanks

Patrick Maloney

 

[FrankLee]

Thanks Frank

You have been a great resource. I just started working on the Craftsman 150 drill press model number 103.24530. My father-in-law gave it to me. I have a few tools, but never owned a drill press and don’t have much experience using them. Found you guys looking for information about these drill presses.

I don’t know much about forums. I’m in the process of cleaning and organizing my garage. Maybe I’ll get some good ideas from this site.

Thanks

Patrick Maloney

Welcome Patrick!

You’re welcome. Once you get familiar with GJ, I hope to see some pictures of your machine.

 

[ZBear]

Thanks Frank

You have been a great resource. I just started working on the Craftsman 150 drill press model number 103.24530. My father-in-law gave it to me. I have a few tools, but never owned a drill press and don’t have much experience using them. Found you guys looking for information about these drill presses.

I don’t know much about forums. I’m in the process of cleaning and organizing my garage. Maybe I’ll get some good ideas from this site.

Thanks

Patrick Maloney

Patrick. Cherish your drill press. My father bought mine back in the mid 50's. He passed away from colon cancer in 1963 at age 30. It remained in my step-father's blacksmith shop until a year and a half ago when he passed away and I was able to get my hands on it. It was pretty nasty looking. It had been thru several floods including two 500 year floods but still worked. With guidance from this forum and it's members, I was able to completely disassemble it and repaint it and it now is the crown jewel in my shop. I have no good memories of my father but I cherish my drill press. Bear