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What Shelton said, I got lucky and mine had a 5/8 shaft; most are metric.

You still have my thread link right? you also want o save the card I used and if they used a choke (looks like a transformer) between the card and the motor use that as well.

cards are generally marked MC-30 or MC-60

Outlaw,

Yes I saved that link immediately! There is no choke on this one. I have seen some on youtube that have it and some that dont. I dont know if this will work well without one:headscrat. If not this can go to another project down the line.
 
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It will be fine. It ran in reg AC as a treadmill, so it will work here.

The Key is the MC-60 (or 30) card and getting the 5 or 10 K pot on it for speed control.
 

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It will be fine. It ran in reg AC as a treadmill, so it will work here.

The Key is the MC-60 (or 30) card and getting the 5 or 10 K pot on it for speed control.

Ok so its actually a 5/8" shaft so I feel lucky from what you said, What difference is there in the potentiometer 5k or 10k? what dictates which one I will need? sorry i'm ignorant on this.
 

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Re: The Classic Craftsman 100/150 Drill Press

I can’t believe that 2 members here found 2 varislow equipped units for less than $75... that is a major you ****. I am going to be selling my floor model crown top press and will be looking for a bench top model here in the northwest. Hopefully I can find one with a varislow as well! Everyone on this thread has been doing great work!


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I have not seen any slow speed models but there has been a surge of low priced 100s and 150s lately. also seeing a lot of pedistal tools popping up for reasonable prices.

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I can’t believe that 2 members here found 2 varislow equipped units for less than $75... that is a major you ****. I am going to be selling my floor model crown top press and will be looking for a bench top model here in the northwest. Hopefully I can find one with a varislow as well! Everyone on this thread has been doing great work!


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I have a nicely refurbished “100” bench top if you are interested. No varislow and not a crown top, though. Or maybe we could just swap the columns and bases?
 
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dp#61

I've seen quite a few 13-1/2" models lately and picked up a couple to refurb. IMO, these are more difficult to part-out.



I did snag dp#61 this morning. It's a very late K-S 150, model 103.24511. It has nice original paint!



This machine is very grimey. The orange on the column is 99% grease. I have this one apart already and the column cleaned.




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dp#61 is complete.

 
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Re: The Classic Craftsman 100/150 Drill Press

I have a nicely refurbished “100” bench top if you are interested. No varislow and not a crown top, though. Or maybe we could just swap the columns and bases?



Bill I really appreciate the offer. My drill press is power bronze color so I would have to find someone with the bronze color. I have made contact with a forum member who is selling their bench top model... I will be selling my floor model mounted on castors if you are interested?


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What an excellent thread! I am in the process of cleaning up my fathers old 100 model. Great information. Thanks to the OP and others for the time and effort put into this!!
 
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What an excellent thread! I am in the process of cleaning up my fathers old 100 model. Great information. Thanks to the OP and others for the time and effort put into this!!

Welcome and you're welcome!

Please post some pictures when you're able.
 
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Found this today and thought "wow could it be? The radial arm attachment!"

But after looking at the 1949 catalog it doesn't appear to be the same. Any other manufacturers make these types of arms?

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I'd guess that is someone else's, "***********" accessory, and I'd bet its a full 24" or more to the column? (at least center on a 4X8 sheet?)
 

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I'd guess that is someone else's, "***********" accessory, and I'd bet its a full 24" or more to the column? (at least center on a 4X8 sheet?)

I did a quick measurement in photoshop setting the original throat to 7.75" and using that scale I get about a 20" depth/throat.
 

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Found this today and thought "wow could it be? The radial arm attachment!"

But after looking at the 1949 catalog it doesn't appear to be the same. Any other manufacturers make these types of arms?



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I'd guess that is someone else's, "***********" accessory, and I'd bet its a full 24" or more to the column? (at least center on a 4X8 sheet?)

I did a quick measurement in photoshop setting the original throat to 7.75" and using that scale I get about a 20" depth/throat.
Never saw one of those before!
Page 18 in this catalog. (Craftsman)
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...222/4460.pdf&usg=AOvVaw0yMFg8NXWFpD_CbHPMZ0g9
 
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Found this today and thought "wow could it be? The radial arm attachment!"

But after looking at the 1949 catalog it doesn't appear to be the same. Any other manufacturers make these types of arms?

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That looks like a Walker-Turner drill press accessory. There's one posted here:
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=7948195


After I posted this, someone either sent me a picture, or posted a picture of a nib Craftsman Drill Press Radial Arm. Of course I can't find it now.
 
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Re: The Classic Craftsman 100/150 Drill Press

I have been cleaning up my 1956 model 100 DP. My father bought this the year I was born. I have many fond memories working with him using the DP as a child. It has been in one of my out buildings for many years. The last time I used it was 8 years ago. The electric cord was rotted, the quill extremely hard to move up and down along with dirt and rust. Thanks to the great info on this thread (and pm with FrankLee) I have been able to get everything working again. The quill assembly, pinion shaft and spring all work smoothly now. The motor is not yet mounted or wired with the new electric cord but is all cleaned up and the internal wires re-wrapped with heat shrink tubing. I tested it with a temporary power cord and all works well. I did not go into this as a total overhaul, but just wanted to get it working again with a good cleanup. Here are some before and after pics. 68020639481622dab07ed8e00fb70699.jpg48552494f3aa4ea97d343e5faf366deb.jpg7a92a14878633f3552d8b02d0e2a7268.jpgfdf4679d0c36f026decbbcb1a0c253c8.jpgc4d04e18babc59e4bacfc55640ad3901.jpg3093a7e69de3d016d9f43b6512dd7317.jpg
 

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Re: The Classic Craftsman 100/150 Drill Press

I have been cleaning up my 1956 model 100 DP. My father bought this the year I was born. I have many fond memories working with him using the DP as a child. It has been in one of my out buildings for many years. The last time I used it was 8 years ago. The electric cord was rotted, the quill extremely hard to move up and down along with dirt and rust. Thanks to the great info on this thread (and pm with FrankLee) I have been able to get everything working again. The quill assembly, pinion shaft and spring all work smoothly now. The motor is not yet mounted or wired with the new electric cord but is all cleaned up and the internal wires re-wrapped with heat shrink tubing. I tested it with a temporary power cord and all works well. I did not go into this as a total overhaul, but just wanted to get it working again with a good cleanup. Here are some before and after pics.

Very nice! That's a beautiful machine. No doubt your father would be pleased!

I'm glad to hear the motor lives again.
 
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Hi Gents
I have been lurking around this thread for a long time and have enjoyed (and honestly drooled over) great CM DPs and fantastic restoration jobs.

I am in general very much interested in ALL tools made in USA but so far have not had an opportunity to find a reasonable CM DB locally. But now there is a local listing for a 15" CM DP model 103.24511 which I am interested in.

I hope that the experts here and in particular Frank do not mind me asking about a reasonable price for such a unit. To be honest I know that this is really an open ended question and the answer depends on multitude of factors some of which can not be easily quantified. Please keep in mind that this is a LOCAL sale. But I just want to see if the price is even remotely in the ballpark (as obviously I do not want to overpay and like anyone else would feel even better if it was a bargain).

There are photos available but for now I rather not post any. However I will say that the DP seems to be in pretty good shape look wise and according to seller runs nicely (I will obviously verify this before purchase). If in addition to an idea of the value, there are any other tips and advice that you can dispense I also very would appreciate those as well.

Thank you in advance for your advice
 

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Re: The Classic Craftsman 100/150 Drill Press

Without any pictures, it is hard to judge. Things I look for are motor (OEM or replacement), pulley condition, paint condition, runout, condition of headstock band, quill retraction, feed stop nuts, and table condition. Generally most columns are rusty, bearings may need swapped, etc. The things above are harder to replace. I can swap bearings, replace pulleys, add a power switch, etc.
PMed with pricing around here.

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Gents,
Thank you both for the fast response and advice. Based on your info, it looks like this listing is at the higher end of fair market value. Even though the DP is one hour drive each way from where I am, I will contact the seller to see if we can make a deal.

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I just sold my floor model 150 this weekend - crown top power bronze... paint was good, had a crown top era replacement motor, new belt and no rust for $180... I feel I could have held out for $200 but it was taking up space and many people don’t like the power bronze so I think I did decent??? This is in the North West, not in the Midwest where they are as plentiful!


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Hi Gents
I have been lurking around this thread for a long time and have enjoyed (and honestly drooled over) great CM DPs and fantastic restoration jobs.

I am in general very much interested in ALL tools made in USA but so far have not had an opportunity to find a reasonable CM DB locally. But now there is a local listing for a 15" CM DP model 103.24511 which I am interested in.

I hope that the experts here and in particular Frank do not mind me asking about a reasonable price for such a unit. To be honest I know that this is really an open ended question and the answer depends on multitude of factors some of which can not be easily quantified. Please keep in mind that this is a LOCAL sale. But I just want to see if the price is even remotely in the ballpark (as obviously I do not want to overpay and like anyone else would feel even better if it was a bargain).

There are photos available but for now I rather not post any. However I will say that the DP seems to be in pretty good shape look wise and according to seller runs nicely (I will obviously verify this before purchase). If in addition to an idea of the value, there are any other tips and advice that you can dispense I also very would appreciate those as well.

Thank you in advance for your advice

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I just sold my floor model 150 this weekend - crown top power bronze... paint was good, had a crown top era replacement motor, new belt and no rust for $180... I feel I could have held out for $200 but it was taking up space and many people don’t like the power bronze so I think I did decent??? This is in the North West, not in the Midwest where they are as plentiful!


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Thanks much for the info.


Frank
I saw your pm. Thank you for the great info, it definitely helps me out in making a decision.
 

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You could get the best info by posting pictures but I also understand why you don’t want to!


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I meant no offence to the honorable regular members here but rather on some threads there are unfortunately lurkers who sometimes take advantage of the situation (I frequent the vise thread a lot and we have had such issues in the past)

I appreciate everyone's help, information and advise! Frank in particular through PM nailed it (the man knows his stuff and is as good as they come :beer:)

Much obliged for your assistance fellas
 
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Smoke

I meant no offence to the honorable regular members here but rather on some threads there are unfortunately lurkers who sometimes take advantage of the situation (I frequent the vise thread a lot and we have had such issues in the past)

I appreciate everyone's help, information and advise! Frank in particular through PM nailed it (the man knows his stuff and is as good as they come :beer:)

Much obliged for your assistance fellas



No offense taken! I remember how that on the vise thread, members where losing items because people were sniping them. Please keep us updated if you get it! The market on these really varies based on region, options and conditions


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No offense taken! I remember how that on the vise thread, members where losing items because people were sniping them. Please keep us updated if you get it! The market on these really varies based on region, options and conditions


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Hey Gman007- did you end up getting that drill press?

Franklee- I am wondering your thoughts on the earlier styles of craftsman drill press, in regards to how they compare to the king Seeley made ones ? Have you done many long C and Mohawk units ? I don’t think I have seen you do a Mohawk but I would have to imagine that they come up for sale around your neck of the woods since you are somewhat near Chicago?


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Franklee- I am wondering your thoughts on the earlier styles of craftsman drill press, in regards to how they compare to the king Seeley made ones ? Have you done many long C and Mohawk units ? I don’t think I have seen you do a Mohawk but I would have to imagine that they come up for sale around your neck of the woods since you are somewhat near Chicago?

I've had eight of the Atlas made drill presses and refurbished only two. One was 12" and the other, 15".

IMO, in general, the classic K-S machines have fewer parts, have a simpler design and are easier to work on.
  • The K-S spindle pulley is one piece versus a two or three piece on the Atlas. The later Atlas machines have that nylon spline drive part that is often cracked or broken.
  • The K-S feed return spring is a torsion coil design versus the Atlas flat clock-style spring. I've seen broken or deformed springs from both manufacturers, but I prefer the torsion spring.
  • The K-S quill assembly is a less complicated design versus the Atlas quill with an externally threaded bearing retaining ring.

No, I've never had a K-S mohawk drill press. I've come across several, but they never appealed to me.
 
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Thanks for those points franklee! I would have thought the more modern KS made units would have been more complex and therefore more difficult to work on. Sounds like the older ones are more difficult.


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Thanks for those points franklee! I would have thought the more modern KS made units would have been more complex and therefore more difficult to work on. Sounds like the older ones are more difficult.

Yeah, that's been my experience.

The redesigned feed return spring and the newer lock assemblies on later machines eliminated a few parts. The rapid adjust feed stop and the pivoting motor mount added a few parts. So, it may be debatable whether the later machines are more complex.

Another major factor is the condition, which applies to all machines. I've had a few badly rusted King-Seeley machines that were very difficult.
 
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Well I finally got a table lift!

I've been searching off and on for about 2 years for an Atlas made table lift. I know they pop up on ebay and sell for up to $600 now, but I'm not gonna pay that for one.

I searched all of FB marketplace and found one in Malden, Ill. Guy selling a 100 with lift, Heinrich Gripmaster 6" vise, and GE foot pedal for $250. Not a bad deal for the whole package if you were close by. At first he seemed open to the idea, but then the press went to a pending sale and then back to available. When I asked again, he got an attitude with me and I didn't feel like dealing with him anymore.

Switched over to Craigslist. I use search tempest and it will open up like 20-30 tabs to cover all of the US. Clicked through all of the tabs and I was down to the last 2 tabs and there was a 100 for sale with a lift for $225 in Cleveland, OH. I sent the guy a long email about how I've been looking for one and showed him my press that restored and wondered if he would be willing to remove and ship.

Next day I got a very friendly email back and he said no problem if the price is right. I didn't feel like going back and forth so I wanted to give a good fair offer (fair as in not crazy inflated just because nut jobs are paying big $$$ on ebay) that also considered his time and cost of shipping. I made my offer and he replied back that it was good to him because he could end up making more money selling both separately than together.

We exchange phone numbers and we talk on the phone a little bit. Turns out he hadn't used the lift in years when it got harder and harder to move, and he was having problems with getting the lift off. Ask FrankLee for some tips, and he suggested the pot metal locks probably weren't knocked out and were seized. Sure enough the guy said he couldn't get them out. He finally got the castings off after cleaning up the column and smacking the castings with a hammer and wood.

After it was removed he called to tell me he had a middle pulley I didn't even notice and did I want it. He said he just wanted to cover the cost of a new belt due to removing it. I gave him more than a belt would cost. It will go on my benchtop 2 handle '100' when I get back to that project.

Parts came in early in the week and sure enough the lock cylinders were stuck and i had to use my air hammer to knock them out. Definitely deformed. Luckily FrankLee had some steel cylinders and taper handles to match the handles on my press to replace them with. Thanks FrankLee.

Took my press apart today. Cleaned the column and rewaxed with Johnson Paste wax and installed. Wow this thing is nice. Moved it into different spots but ended up putting the handle on the left side at and angle so the screw clears the table (in my pictures its on the right).

So there's my experience sourcing parts across America. My advice is to get the person on the phone. To me, once I start talking to someone, I can tell if it's going to work out or not. Don't get that with email, texts, or messaging.

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Glad to read that things worked out. I also find that just E-mailing back and forth can lead to some unintended impressions on both parts. So yes I totally agree being able to immediately judge how things are going with an actual conversation is best.
It also helps immensely that we have Frank Lee to fall back on for information/guidence !
 
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