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Amazing! Thanks for the help!

Are these old old motors really 1/3 hp?

They have way more spanking than modern 1/3 hp motors, and almost certain more than my 3/4 hp grinder.
 
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I've finally got the 103.0305 Mohawk DP back together. Everything is done except for rewiring the electrical connections. I have a nice (modern) paddle safety switch on order thru an EBay seller which is due to arrive later this week.

I'm thrilled with how it all came together. I believe every part is original, including the clock spring for the pinion shaft, but the motor is a replacement. The only thing I'm missing is the tapered pin for the positive indexing of the tilt-table. I ended up with a patch installed with JB Weld epoxy to repair some damage to the belt cover. See the last picture for the patch and epoxy filler before painting.

The color is Rustoleum Gloss Deep Slate with a few highlights on the motor and the vise using Rustoleum Hammered Bright Red.

Edit: I meant to mention for the record that I was able to find a nice replacement V-belt at the local AutoZone. It's a Duralast #15395 and it's the "notched" design that I've seen FrankLee recommend. It was exactly the same size as the stiff, aged belt I got it with.

Still deciding if I want to mount it back onto the older wooden cabinet it came with or just leave it unmounted to improve mobility.
 

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I've finally got the 103.0305 Mohawk DP back together. Everything is done except for rewiring the electrical connections. I have a nice (modern) paddle safety switch on order thru an EBay seller which is due to arrive later this week.

I'm thrilled with how it all came together. I believe every part is original, including the clock spring for the pinion shaft, but the motor is a replacement. The only thing I'm missing is the tapered pin for the positive indexing of the tilt-table. I ended up with a patch installed with JB Weld epoxy to repair some damage to the belt cover. See the last picture for the patch and epoxy filler before painting.

The color is Rustoleum Gloss Deep Slate with a few highlights on the motor and the vise using Rustoleum Hammered Bright Red.

Edit: I meant to mention for the record that I was able to find a nice replacement V-belt at the local AutoZone. It's a Duralast #15395 and it's the "notched" design that I've seen FrankLee recommend. It was exactly the same size as the stiff, aged belt I got it with.

Still deciding if I want to mount it back onto the older wooden cabinet it came with or just leave it unmounted to improve mobility.
You should be thrilled... you did an excellent job! It looks great!
 

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I've finally got the 103.0305 Mohawk DP back together. Everything is done except for rewiring the electrical connections. I have a nice (modern) paddle safety switch on order thru an EBay seller which is due to arrive later this week.

I'm thrilled with how it all came together. I believe every part is original, including the clock spring for the pinion shaft, but the motor is a replacement. The only thing I'm missing is the tapered pin for the positive indexing of the tilt-table. I ended up with a patch installed with JB Weld epoxy to repair some damage to the belt cover. See the last picture for the patch and epoxy filler before painting.

The color is Rustoleum Gloss Deep Slate with a few highlights on the motor and the vise using Rustoleum Hammered Bright Red.

Edit: I meant to mention for the record that I was able to find a nice replacement V-belt at the local AutoZone. It's a Duralast #15395 and it's the "notched" design that I've seen FrankLee recommend. It was exactly the same size as the stiff, aged belt I got it with.

Still deciding if I want to mount it back onto the older wooden cabinet it came with or just leave it unmounted to improve mobility.



Great work on the patch. You can’t even notice it. I would screw it down to the work table so you don’t have to worry about it tipping over and falling. Screws are easily removed if you want to ever move it


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Good work Eric. You really made a big difference on that DP. :rocker: Nice touch with the contrasting color on the motor caps and matching vise. They coulda come from the store that way!
 
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I check my usual sources for Craftsman machines on a daily basis. Today, I was scheduled to pick up a very nice Craftsman 150 with MSA from fbmp when the seller decided to pass it along to his hvac neighbor. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Thanks again to ALINC001 for the referral.



I've had a couple of the Craftsman Combo Kits. In November 2019, I got this small version with a jointer and table saw.


This past July, I got this incomplete large version.



The large Combo Kits were featured in the 1956 and 1957 catalogs (no catalog in 1958). These large kits came equipped with a 13-1/2" drill press.



Yesterday, I was perusing the Craftsman Tool Groups on FB. Someone had posted a picture or marketplace ad of a large Combo Kit, but instead of the 13-1/2" Craftsman drill press, there was a 12-1/4" Dunlap drill press in it's place. WTF? That is not shown in any catalog that I can find.

Now I can't find that post. Did anyone see that, or know where the ad is? Was the smaller drill press ever standard with the kit? Or was that a custom modification?
 

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I check my usual sources for Craftsman machines on a daily basis. Today, I was scheduled to pick up a very nice Craftsman 150 with MSA from fbmp when the seller decided to pass it along to his hvac neighbor. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Thanks again to ALINC001 for the referral.







I've had a couple of the Craftsman Combo Kits. In November 2019, I got this small version with a jointer and table saw.






This past July, I got this incomplete large version.








The large Combo Kits were featured in the 1956 and 1957 catalogs (no catalog in 1958). These large kits came equipped with a 13-1/2" drill press.







Yesterday, I was perusing the Craftsman Tool Groups on FB. Someone had posted a picture or marketplace ad of a large Combo Kit, but instead of the 13-1/2" Craftsman drill press, there was a 12-1/4" Dunlap drill press in it's place. WTF? That is not shown in any catalog that I can find.



Now I can't find that post. Did anyone see that, or know where the ad is? Was the smaller drill press ever standard with the kit? Or was that a custom modification?



You mean this one? Franklee- check your pm’s
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You mean this one? Franklee- check your pm’s

YES, that's it! Thanks very much!

https://www.facebook.com/commerce/listing/337416034011800

That smaller Dunlap drill press looks rather original. It's always interesting to me to see things not featured in the catalogs.





I still have most of the kit-specific parts from the larger combo kit.






These parts are very different than the parts in the FB ad. The FB kit has a different drill press mount casting than the 13-1/2" Craftsman DP and the motor mount parts look similar to the smaller combo kit (below).





10/16/2020

So, I think I've concluded that the FB Combo Kit above likely started as the smaller jointer/table saw kit and was added onto. But, I haven't seen any of the add-on parts in any catalogs... very puzzling and intriguing.
 
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SmokeShow,
Those combo kits are very cool. You could defiantly kick out some work with all that heavy metal.
OK boys, batter up.
Somebody near Tampa please rescue this 15 1/2 100! $75.00 on CL :drool: It's sitting out in the rain I think. Oh the horror! Might be a 1950 from the deteriorated 1/2hp motor plate. Looks like it has a Vari-Slo and a tilt table. I wish I had either one.
I would go but it's three hours away and if I did I'm pretty sure I would be divorced by the time I got back with my second DP after I haven't started on the first.
This ugly duckling needs a home and lots of TLC!

https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/tls/d/seffner-craftsman-drill-press/7204577837.html
 

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SmokeShow,
Those combo kits are very cool. You could defiantly kick out some work with all that heavy metal.
OK boys, batter up.
Somebody near Tampa please rescue this 15 1/2 100! $75.00 on CL :drool: It's sitting out in the rain I think. Oh the horror! Might be a 1950 from the deteriorated 1/2hp motor plate. Looks like it has a Vari-Slo and a tilt table. I wish I had either one.
I would go but it's three hours away and if I did I'm pretty sure I would be divorced by the time I got back with my second DP after I haven't started on the first.
This ugly duckling needs a home and lots of TLC!

https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/tls/d/seffner-craftsman-drill-press/7204577837.html
I don’t see a vari-slo, but I do see a lift. That could be a good deal. Awful rough though.
 

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Re: Rust Removal

There have been quite a few threads and posts dealing with rust removal. Electrolysis, Evaporust, vinegar, molasses and citric acid are all common rust removal products and techniques.

This column is one of the rustiest I've had and was a ***** to remove from the base.

Here is the column after ~20 hours of soaking in citric acid, a quick rub down with steel wool, a rinse and a dry. I did sand about 10" on each end, but the middle portion is all CA.

Frank how about a picture or description of your holding tank for the column soaks. Wood frame and plastic liner or permanent tank. I have never tried the citric acid on a column and was wondering about the logistics.
Wes

I'm looking through all the restoration/cleaning/rust removal sections (thanks FrankLee for all the quick links) assembling the recommended supplies for the day when I can actually get started on this project. I have the Johnsons pate wax to use as a sealer. I already have two warehouses full of tools and chemicals but mostly applicable to a motorhead (guilty) :3gears:. I stopped by the shop to pick up something and spied one of the products I've used on chrome for years called Quick-Glo. I used it quickly on the motor band. Sorry for the lousy pictures but I was in a hurry, this was after about a minute of rubbing. I read that the stripes on the this model of motor band are delicate so I went easy with the original heavy duty paste. Jay Leno did a promo for them years ago because they are an American owned product invented in Chicago in 1957, something I like about it too. Check out his promo here, this stuff is more that just a rubbing compound, it's great on chrome and tools too, might help protect the bare steel these projects too:

 

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Re: Rust Removal

I'm looking through all the restoration/cleaning/rust removal sections (thanks FrankLee for all the quick links) assembling the recommended supplies for the day when I can actually get started on this project. I have the Johnsons pate wax to use as a sealer. I already have two warehouses full of tools and chemicals but mostly applicable to a motorhead (guilty) :3gears:. I stopped by the shop to pick up something and spied one of the products I've used on chrome for years called Quick-Glo. I used it quickly on the motor band. Sorry for the lousy pictures but I was in a hurry, this was after about a minute of rubbing. I read that the stripes on the this model of motor band are delicate so I went easy with the original heavy duty paste. Jay Leno did a promo for them years ago because they are an American owned product, something I like about it too. Check out his promo here, this stuff is more that just a rubbing compound, might help protect the bare steel these projects too:

Now that's impressive! Thanks for sharing.
 

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Hi - this may be off topic but here goes - what's up with these small Craftsman keyless chucks? This one of mine is from a vintage Craftsman wood lathe but I think it's the same as the one I had on a small DP. How do these even work? Is this one missing parts? Thaks - Jim
 

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Re: The Classic Craftsman 100/150 Drill Press

Not missing parts. The springs go between the jaws, you turn the outer shroud to tighten. Loosening sometimes is hit/miss depending on spring tension remaining. If I get a chance, I can take a pic of an assembled one, and partially disassemble it to show how it works.

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Hi - this may be off topic but here goes - what's up with these small Craftsman keyless chucks? This one of mine is from a vintage Craftsman wood lathe but I think it's the same as the one I had on a small DP. How do these even work? Is this one missing parts? Thaks - Jim
Yes, likely the same chuck. It does not appear that any parts are missing.

The end of the threaded spindle that the chuck is threaded onto pushes that disk which closes the jaws.



edit: There may be a couple holes in the part that threads into the knurled sleeve. The holes are for a pin spanner to keep those two parts tight together so they don't come apart when removing bits from the chuck.
 
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Thanks for the responses. I had it together but without it being mounted on a spindle the jaws were not closing. Now I understand why. Thanks again.
 

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Almost two years in and I finished my 100 drill press! I did the treadmill motor conversion. What difference in power! The box I used for the controls is an old zero case I found in the metal recycling bin. The second "vise table" I found on craigslist by accident. The picture showed it on a 150 drill press. It's pretty neat and very heavy duty. Other than that everything else is tricks I pulled from this thread.

I also want to say a big thanks to Frank for making this thread for everyone!
 

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Almost two years in and I finished my 100 drill press! I did the treadmill motor conversion. What difference in power! The box I used for the controls is an old zero case I found in the metal recycling bin. The second "vise table" I found on craigslist by accident. The picture showed it on a 150 drill press. It's pretty neat and very heavy duty. Other than that everything else is tricks I pulled from this thread.

I also want to say a big thanks to Frank for making this thread for everyone!

Great job. Neat re purpose of the Haliburton case. It seems someone really did not know what they were tossing away!
 

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Almost two years in and I finished my 100 drill press! I did the treadmill motor conversion. What difference in power! The box I used for the controls is an old zero case I found in the metal recycling bin. The second "vise table" I found on craigslist by accident. The picture showed it on a 150 drill press. It's pretty neat and very heavy duty. Other than that everything else is tricks I pulled from this thread.



I also want to say a big thanks to Frank for making this thread for everyone!



That case for the motor conversion is really cool! Great work


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Almost two years in and I finished my 100 drill press! I did the treadmill motor conversion. What difference in power! The box I used for the controls is an old zero case I found in the metal recycling bin. The second "vise table" I found on craigslist by accident. The picture showed it on a 150 drill press. It's pretty neat and very heavy duty. Other than that everything else is tricks I pulled from this thread.

I also want to say a big thanks to Frank for making this thread for everyone!
Wonderful, Mister!
 

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Re: Jam Nuts

You're welcome and thanks!




Jam Nuts

11/23/2019

I frequently use jam nuts when dismantling or reassembling parts. So technically, jams nuts can be regarded as tools.

Here are a few applications where I've used jam nuts:

  • removing and reinstalling feed handle knobs
  • removing feed handle rods from hubs
  • removing studs

  • removing grinder flange nuts
    Procedure:
    1. use a wrench on each arbor nut
    2. remove the left side nut first
    3. remove the outer flange and stone
    4. thread the jam nut and the original nut back onto the left side arbor and tighten them against each other
    5. use wrenches on the left side outer jam nut and on the right side nut
    6. remove the right side nut
    7. remove the outer flange and stone
    8. loosen and remove the jam nuts from the left side arbor

  • removing wood lathe headstock shafts


Out of curiosity what thread size was on your grinder? I was going to buy some new ones and they are 1/2x24....odd size.
 

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Sorry if this has been covered...

Frank - Please talk about what you have learned about the aging of grease in general on these drill presses and other mid century Craftsman, Delta Rockwell etc woodworking machines.

For example If one were to find one of these Cman presses you restore in pristine condition that has been sitting in Grandpa's climate control basement since new w only light occasional use can the bearings be left alone as is ?

Obviously exposed grease is easy to re[place so I guess I'm asking about old sealed bearings.

Another example - I recently got a decent looking condition used Delta Rockwell 12-14 tablesaw...have not yet checked out... IF the arbor bearings run quiet smooth and true do I need to worry about changing them? only due to 70 yr old grease ?

Would really appreciate all you've learned about this... I have cleaned up (NOT fully torn down and rebuilt) a few USA Old Arn items and have been lucky so far after a few years of light use... So MY experience is limited.

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Sorry if this has been covered...

Frank - Please talk about what you have learned about the aging of grease in general on these drill presses and other mid century Craftsman, Delta Rockwell etc woodworking machines.

For example If one were to find one of these Cman presses you restore in pristine condition that has been sitting in Grandpa's climate control basement since new w only light occasional use can the bearings be left alone as is ?

Obviously exposed grease is easy to re[place so I guess I'm asking about old sealed bearings.

Another example - I recently got a decent looking condition used Delta Rockwell 12-14 tablesaw...have not yet checked out... IF the arbor bearings run quiet smooth and true do I need to worry about changing them? only due to 70 yr old grease ?

Would really appreciate all you've learned about this... I have cleaned up (NOT fully torn down and rebuilt) a few USA Old Arn items and have been lucky so far after a few years of light use... So MY experience is limited.

Thank you, Marc
So yeah, exposed grease is sometimes easier to deal with on the quill and pinion. Sometimes that grease is still liquid, and other times it has hardened.

The more difficult exposed grease to clean-up is inside the head frame casting... especially at the bottom of the nose cavity and on top of the quill guides. Most of the time, it's just do the best I can with Grez-Off and small plastic-bristle brushes; tooth brushes and those cheap HF brushes.



For quill bearings, it all depends on, A) whether the bearings turn smoothly, and, B) whether the spindle slides out with little effort.

If the spindle slides out of the bearings with little effort, I will usually remove bearings from the quill, remove one shield from each bearing, clean and assess whether to repack or replace.

If the quill bearings seem good AND the quill does not slide out, I will drip some 3inONE SAE 20 motor oil around the inner races and let that seep in. That will rejuvenate the grease somewhat.

If the quill bearings seem gritty, and the spindle does not slide out easily, I will press out the spindle, remove bearings from the quill, remove one shield from each bearing, clean and assess whether to repack or replace.


I always remove the bearings from the spindle pulleys and usually remove one shield from each bearing, clean and assess whether to repack or replace.

I always clean and assess whether to repack or replace motor bearings that are open on the outboard side.


So, I always try to reuse bearings when possible. Many guys disagree with that philosophy, but that's ok.


When replacing bearings, I always use sealed bearings for motors and quills and shielded bearings for spindle pulleys.



Because MSA/Slo-Speed pulley bearings are more difficult to press off/on, I made a gadget to inject new grease through the gap between the inner races and the shields.
 
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Thank you Frank.

Can you add any other experience other than Cman drill presses that I asked about in my post ?

Such as - "Another example - I recently got a decent looking condition used Delta Rockwell 12-14 tablesaw...have not yet checked out... IF the arbor bearings run quiet smooth and true do I need to worry about changing them? only due to 70 yr old grease ?

And similar situations ?


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Thank you Frank.

Can you add any other experience other than Cman drill presses that I asked about in my post ?

Such as - "Another example - I recently got a decent looking condition used Delta Rockwell 12-14 tablesaw...have not yet checked out... IF the arbor bearings run quiet smooth and true do I need to worry about changing them? only due to 70 yr old grease ?

And similar situations ?


Marc
My experience with other machines is also limited. I've refurbished the following machines, all Craftsman:
  • 61 drill presses
  • many motors
  • several grinders
  • one jointer (new bearings)
  • one 6x48 belt sander (new bearings)
  • one shaper (new bearings)
  • one wood lathe (new bearings)
  • misc. chucks, vises and other accessories

I've had quite a few Craftsman band saws and table saws with the water-pump style bearings. I have not refurbished any of those. I've also had several 18" jig saws and never refurbish any.

If you're refurbishing the table saw AND it has easily accessible bearings, why wouldn't you service/replace the bearings?

If your table saw is in service and running fine with quiet, smooth and true bearings, why would you?


When I had a camper trailer, I bought an infrared temperature gun to measure the heat from the hub bearings at every stop on a long trip. If a bearing was going bad, temperature would rise. This may be a useful tool on bearings in older machines.
 
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I've been looking for one of these for a year or two and haven't had much luck. Finally found one local to me that had been recently refurbished. Not perfect and need to remove some paint from the base and what not but a good user in good overall shape. Pretty happy to finally join the club and thanks to everyone in this thread for helping me learn what to look for.
 

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I've been looking for one of these for a year or two and haven't had much luck. Finally found one local to me that had been recently refurbished. Not perfect and need to remove some paint from the base and what not but a good user in good overall shape. Pretty happy to finally join the club and thanks to everyone in this thread for helping me learn what to look for.
Yeah, welcome to the club and thanks for posting!

It looks like a decent refurb and should serve you well.


A couple observations...

The feed stop collar is upside down. The knurled sleeve should be on the bottom for fine tuning the stop.

The lock handle should be on the left side of the head frame. As is, it may interfere with quill feed. I've seen quite a few handles on the right when previous owners installed a handy box on the left for a switch. Where is your motor switch?
 

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A couple observations...

The feed stop collar is upside down. The knurled sleeve should be on the bottom for fine tuning the stop.

The lock handle should be on the left side of the head frame. As is, it may interfere with quill feed. I've seen quite a few handles on the right when previous owners installed a handy box on the left for a switch. Where is your motor switch?

Thanks for pointing that out, I've gone ahead and flipped the feed stop collar and I'll flip around the lock handle once I get some more time in the garage. The motor switch is back on the motor on the left side so no reason for the lock handle to be switched over.

Appreciate the pointers, thanks!
 
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My neighbor friend called me yesterday about a problem he was having with a motor. He bought a Delta shaper with a Craftsman 1/2 hp, 3450 rpm motor, model 115.6963. The date code is B3 48.

The rotor appeared to be seized, would not spin and would not move without significant effort. We both suspected the bearings were shot.

I brought it home and started dismantling. I got the fan-side and cap off and the rotor removed. The bearings didn't seem too bad and actually felt smooth.




So, I turned my attention to the end cap. It has a rather significant crack.



I have a spare cap from a Craftsman 1/2 hp, 1750 rpm motor, model 115.6962. I installed it, the rotor turns freely and the motor now runs great! I can't believe how much that crack affected the rotor.

 
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Re: The Classic Craftsman 100/150 Drill Press

WAs it just putting undue stress on the end of the rotor, by making the bearing not perpendicular? Wonder if you squeezed it together and sealed the crack if it would work.

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WAs it just putting undue stress on the end of the rotor, by making the bearing not perpendicular? Wonder if you squeezed it together and sealed the crack if it would work.
Yes, it was binding the bearing on the opposite side from the crack. The rotor shaft was turning in the inner race. When I got the bearings out they turned fine. I've had a couple motors with cracked end caps, but nothing like this.

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351.22638 Craftsman Sander

I picked up my next project this afternoon... a Craftsman 351.22638 sander with an 8" disk and a 2" x 42" belt. Besides the label, the belt patens are missing and maybe a couple other small bits; nothing major. It did come with the original owner's manual dated January 1995.

The disk surface has some major run-out and I'll try to address that, but I don't really plan on using the disk anyway. I may just remove those left side parts.

My plan is to clean it up and replace the bearings. I will likely swap out my smaller/lighter-weight 351.215130 Craftsman sander.



Here is an older thread on these sanders:
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=322329

... and another related tread:
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=472254
 
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Re: The Classic Craftsman 100/150 Drill Press

Nice score. I've been looking for awhile now with no luck.

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Feed Return Springs

Feed Return Springs

If you've been following along, you know that these classic Craftsman drill presses use a coil torsion spring for feed return. The smaller 12-1/4" drill press and the larger 15-1/2" drill press both use the same 4" spring. The mid-size 13-1/2" drill presses use a 5" spring.



I believe that many more 15-1/2" drill presses were sold than the 13-1/2" models. That means that fewer good used parts are available and therefore, more difficult to come by for the mid-size machines.



I received a question overnight asking whether a 4" spring will fit in a 13-1/2" machine. The technical answer is no, but it is not difficult at all to make it work.

Below is a picture of a pinion assembly from a 12-1/4" machine. The spring loop is held in place with a 3/16" x 1-1/4" long spring pin. The spring pin hole is 4-3/16" from the end of the pinion shaft.



The pinion assembly from a 13-1/2" machine is at the bottom of the picture below. The spring loop is held in place with a loose fitting solid pin through the small portion of the end knob. The pin is held captive in the knob when the knob is inserted into the end of the pinion shaft.



It's a simple process to drill a new 3/16" hole for a spring pin trough the pinion shaft of a Craftsman 13-1/2" drill press. Moving the pin and using the shorter spring has no effect on the feed handle rod.



The 4" spring will work just fine on a Craftsman 80 and may be easier to find.



I'm somewhat perplexed as to why the same spring was not used on all three sizes of Craftsman drill presses from the factory. Sharing parts simplifies production.
 
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