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caspian65

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OK, someone FINALLY admitted it ... now, please explain how those "better looks" make them a superior performer.

p.s. I am an owner of both brands and I don't buy the "mine tool is better 'cause it came off a fancy truck" crock of ****.

LOL! I'm by no means a materials engineer, but most of the SO stuff does just have a better "feel" when you work with them. Tolerances seem to be lower than other tools I've used, meaning there is no "sloppiness" in sockets and wrenches. Other than that, I can't speak to the "it's better cuz it came off a fancy truck".

The true mechanics that wrench 8+ hours a day are the best place to get feedback on tools.
 
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The true mechanics that wrench 8+ hours a day are the best place to get feedback on tools.

Of course. Unfortunately, such feedback is discounted as anecdotal dribble by those who have never wrenched for a living.

I suppose I should have had the foresight to document each and every discrepancy over 20 years so that I would have some hard data to satisfy the internet "experts" I would encounter in due course.

I also should have foreseen that there would be an internet someday, I guess.

My bad.
 

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I'm confused ... you said "As far as ratchets I will admit that snap on makes a much better quality ratchet than snap on" :confused:

Sorry about that. It was a typo. It should have said a "much better quality ratchet than Craftsman". I have really had poor service from Craftsman ratchets especially 3/8".
 

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1. ib4l

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Usually used in forums where a controversial topic is being discussed. Opportunist posters will want to leave their mark by simply posting "IB4L" in the forum thread before the it is locked by forum administrator.

Thanks for schooling me!
 
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yes please kill this already. i started it trying to make a point,but i have obviously failed.
 

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I love wythors post, I like watching all the Willie Nils spinning in unison as though they were choreographed dancers! :lol_hitti
 

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LOL! I'm by no means a materials engineer, but most of the SO stuff does just have a better "feel" when you work with them. Tolerances seem to be lower than other tools I've used, meaning there is no "sloppiness" in sockets and wrenches. Other than that, I can't speak to the "it's better cuz it came off a fancy truck".

The true mechanics that wrench 8+ hours a day are the best place to get feedback on tools.


Have you tried the Craftsman Pro line? "Feels" better when you work with them...is that an ISO standard?
 
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So don't read it.

Pretty easy concept if you stop to think about it. If there is something here that someone doesn't like, then they can move on and not come back.
 

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So what is your point? Craftsman are excellent tools (with a lifetime warranty I might add). Yes, I would say their hand tools are of equal or better quality than the Matcos or Snap-Ons.

I have seen this argument before and I have never seen any evidence that their Snap-On wrench is "better" than my Craftsman. And honestly it's an SAE wrench how many ways can it be better or worse. The only thing I can think of is the alloy that they use to make the wrench possibly making it lighter and/or stronger, but again I have seen zero evidence that that is the case. Usually some guy will say something subjective (and ridiculous) like; "it feels better in my hand".

Why is it ridiculous that one wrench feels better and is more of a pleasure to work with all day long than another wrench?
Nothing against Craftsman but I have seen them break ..in my own hand..ratchets..breaker bars and sockets..all within normal use..I've seen them fail where My S.O. didnt..I wrench all day (nite actually..2nd shift) and I want something that when I grab it it fits My hand..feels good and is a pleasure to work with...and yes..S.O Wrenches feel better in my hand..


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All the Snapon stuff looks pretty, pretty expensive. I don't think they are German quality, but maybe better than Sears. Each person needs to buy what suits them, and not worry about what anybody else is using.

You have to have confidence in your tools too. If I broke a socket or ratchet and it wasn't just me being stupid, that brand/type of tool might go out of my tool box very quickly.
 

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............now lemme see........where was I with this? Popcorn, Pretzels, Peanuts, Chips, M&M's, Beer, :drink: :drunk: :Homer:
 

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WOW. I could write a five page response for all the BS in this thread. This topic has been worn to the ponit of becoming pathetic, the Chevy vs Ford argument of the tool world. I second the earlier notion to ban the next member to bring up this thread and lock all future Snap-On vs Craftsman threads. This topic has been around the world and back. It jumped from the quality of different brands made by the same manufacturer to Snap On vs Cman to who makes Craftsmans wrenches to specialty tools and back again several times.


The difference between Craftsman and Snap On is that Craftsman has to make a quality tool with a decent price to appeal to the general public, from people who need tools to tune up their lawnmower and fix things around the house to the weekend warrior who restores cars in his garage. Snap on is marketing directly to professional mechanics. They make professional quality tools and charge a professional price. You are comparing two different tool companies that are making tools for two completely different people.

The reason this arugument is completely worthless is that you are comparing two different companies with totally different target markets. On this board we have guys who just collect tools, who rotate tires and change oil, wrench nights and weekends, and guys who use their tools to make money. The spectrum is covered from novice to professional That's four different classses of "mechanics" who use their tools differently for different things. A guy who only changes his oil every 3000 miles and rotates his tires is gonna be a bit easier on his tools than a full time mechanic who is more likely to abuse his tools because time is money. So we have millions of different OPINIONS from different types of tool users.

No tool brand makes perfect tools. Who cares what other people think is best. Use whatever works best and feels best. If it works for you - use it. This argument has become a "my dad can beat up your dad" scenario. "My tools are better that your tools." "No they're not." "Yes they are."

My personal belief is that Snap on does make the best product, that doesn't mean i use them. They are out of my budget. Take a poll of full time mechanics and see how many use Cman Pro. I think the brand of tool use use depends on what you use it for and how much you abuse tools in general.
Most people believe that Snap On makes the best ratchets and many people, including myself, don't like the Craftsman ratchets. I don't use either becuase i don't like either. Just becuase one brand is best doesn't mean it is best for you. For the most part, the differences between Craftsman and Snap On are only obvious when used at the professional level


As far as the warranty goes, Snap On, Craftsman, and HF Pittsburgh all have lifetime warrantys. The difference is the quality of the tool. If you bought 50 of each wrench and used them for 10 yrs, 47 HF would break, 18 Cman would break and 2 Snap on would break. There was a post earlier by wilbilt who stated similar #'s of returns for Cman and Snap On, so that's where i got those #'s and we all know about the quality of HF tools. For a professional mechanic using Cman, that would mean 18 trips to sears, where the snap on user would have to walk out to the "Snap On Store" in the parking lot of his garage only twice - quicker and more convienient, hence a higher price.

For the sake of settling this stupid argument, I think it would be interesting if Consumer Reports torture tested both Snap On and Craftsman Pro.


There are too many egos on this board that are hell bent on convinving everyone else that the brand of tools they use are the best. There are also people who have never used the tools that they are arguing against. Just because you don't think Snap On is better doesn't mean it's true. Use whatever you like and F^%@ whatever everyone else says. Too many people getting their ******* in a bunch over a bunch of opinions. The only opinion that matters is your own.
 

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WOW. I could write a five page response for all the BS in this thread. This topic has been worn to the ponit of becoming pathetic, the Chevy vs Ford argument of the tool world. I second the earlier notion to ban the next member to bring up this thread and lock all future Snap-On vs Craftsman threads. This topic has been around the world and back. It jumped from the quality of different brands made by the same manufacturer to Snap On vs Cman to who makes Craftsmans wrenches to specialty tools and back again several times.


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So............which brand is better? Craftsman or Snap On?
 

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For the sake of settling this stupid argument, I think it would be interesting if Consumer Reports torture tested both Snap On and Craftsman Pro.
Unfortunately, Consumer Reports is just that...a bunch of clueless consumers. They wouldn't know a good tool from a bad one to save their lives, and most likely couldn't find their own asses with both hands.

A "torture test" by an accredited lab with real-world results would be appreciated. Credentialed test results come at a price, though. Who is going to pay for it?
 

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WOW. I could write a five page response for all the BS in this thread. This topic has been worn to the point of becoming pathetic, the Chevy vs Ford argument of the tool world. I second the earlier notion to ban the next member to bring up this thread and lock all future Snap-On vs Craftsman threads. This topic has been around the world and back. It jumped from the quality of different brands made by the same manufacturer to Snap On vs Cman to who makes Craftsmans wrenches to specialty tools and back again several times.

Would it be possible to have a sub-forum under this one titled something like "Brand Comparisons"? Instead of locking them, any Craftsman vs. Snap-On or Matco vs. Mac Tools or whatever vs. whatever could be put in there.

Just an idea.
 

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WOW. I could write a five page response for all the BS in this thread. This topic has been worn to the ponit of becoming pathetic, the Chevy vs Ford argument of the tool world. I second the earlier notion to ban the next member to bring up this thread and lock all future Snap-On vs Craftsman threads. This topic has been around the world and back. It jumped from the quality of different brands made by the same manufacturer to Snap On vs Cman to who makes Craftsmans wrenches to specialty tools and back again several times. ..................................


Pretty wordy response coming from someone who is seconding the notion to lock the thread and ban the "next" person who wants to bring it up:headscrat
 

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WOW. I could write a five page response for all the BS in this thread. This topic has been worn to the ponit of becoming pathetic, the Chevy vs Ford argument of the tool world. I second the earlier notion to ban the next member to bring up this thread and lock all future Snap-On vs Craftsman threads. This topic has been around the world and back. It jumped from the quality of different brands made by the same manufacturer to Snap On vs Cman to who makes Craftsmans wrenches to specialty tools and back again several times.

Yes, let's ban people that post something we don't like.

You do realize that this topic spawned a thread that was featured on the front page of the site - started by none other than the owner of the site? Perhaps we should ban him.

My personal belief is that Snap on does make the best product, that doesn't mean i use them. They are out of my budget. Take a poll of full time mechanics and see how many use Cman Pro. I think the brand of tool use use depends on what you use it for and how much you abuse tools in general.
Most people believe that Snap On makes the best ratchets and many people, including myself, don't like the Craftsman ratchets. I don't use either becuase i don't like either. Just becuase one brand is best doesn't mean it is best for you.

How many professional mechanincs buy into the hype because they get ridiculed for using Craftsman or other "inferior" brands, and then later propagate the hype to make themselves feel better about wasting money on a brand name?

For the most part, the differences between Craftsman and Snap On are only obvious when used at the professional level

I do believe there's been a few professional wrenches that posted here that they use Craftsman...

As far as the warranty goes, Snap On, Craftsman, and HF Pittsburgh all have lifetime warrantys. The difference is the quality of the tool. If you bought 50 of each wrench and used them for 10 yrs, 47 HF would break, 18 Cman would break and 2 Snap on would break.

Unless you have empirical testing evidence, I call ********.

There was a post earlier by wilbilt who stated similar #'s of returns for Cman and Snap On, so that's where i got those #'s and we all know about the quality of HF tools. For a professional mechanic using Cman, that would mean 18 trips to sears, where the snap on user would have to walk out to the "Snap On Store" in the parking lot of his garage only twice - quicker and more convienient, hence a higher price.

And again, the Snap-On fanboys leave out the fact that the tool truck doesn't make daily stops, and you're without your tool until the truck comes by next - if he even has it on the truck. Not exactly quicker, is it?

For the sake of settling this stupid argument, I think it would be interesting if Consumer Reports torture tested both Snap On and Craftsman Pro.

But, they haven't.

There are too many egos on this board that are hell bent on convinving everyone else that the brand of tools they use are the best. There are also people who have never used the tools that they are arguing against. Just because you don't think Snap On is better doesn't mean it's true. Use whatever you like and F^%@ whatever everyone else says. Too many people getting their ******* in a bunch over a bunch of opinions. The only opinion that matters is your own.

And your post here is any different?

Come on, man.

If you're tired of the debate, don't fuel the fire.
 

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This is the clincher. Everyone has an opinion, but not one has any good solid evidence. Only anecdotes.

Yup.

And I know I'm guilty of propagating the debate/argument/*****-fest, too, but there's pretty much equal blame on both sides of the deal.

I'm just tired of the whole "BAN X FOR POSTING Y" deal. The title of a thread is usually a pretty good indication of the content matter. If you don't like a debate, don't click to read the thread. If you find yourself caught unawares in a thread you don't like, it doesn't exactly burn a lot of calories to click the "Back" button.
 

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And again, the Snap-On fanboys leave out the fact that the tool truck doesn't make daily stops, and you're without your tool until the truck comes by next - if he even has it on the truck. Not exactly quicker, is it?

Assuming that there is a Sears store within 100 miles that actually takes care of the warranties, this is a good point. If there is not, well...you are SOL either way.
 

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If you are 100 miles from the nearest Sears, then chances are pretty damn good that you're so far out in the boonies that there isn't going to be a visit by a box truck with Snap On written on the side of it either :wtf:
 
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