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I have been thinking of splurging and buying some new wrenches as listed in the title. If I am going to drop the cash, I would like to go with Made in the USA.

Here is the issue. Regular Craftsman are "hit or miss" on the COO. I can't find Craftsman Industrial in Long pattern.

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The fully polished wrenches sold under the regular Craftsman brand are now Chinese with the fat lobster claw.

You'll have to go to the Craftsman Industrial brand to get USA made versions. The fully polished Industrial wrenches are very similar to the long-patter wrenches sold under the Craftsman Pro brand.

The fully-polished wrenches sold under the Industrial brand I think are what I would call "long pattern." Do some googling for the recent threads about the sales at the Sears Outlet stores. I think there are a good number of pics available.
 
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There are some sets on Ebay, they are priced high in my opinion though. You could get USA made Williams or Sk for not much more than the asking prices for the craftsman on ebay.

Another option would be to put together a set of off Cripe, they have KD and Allen USA long pattern full polish wrenches. I filled in the larger wrenches that way in my Craftsman Industrial set, and I'm happy with them especially for the price. They did have some Armstrong but most of what I found was standard length.
 

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I picked up the Craftsman Industrials at the Sears outlet and they are long pattern. Basically the same as the USA Craftsman Pro's. I see them listed on E-bay a lot but for much, much more than I paid. It seems that Craftsman sells (or at least lists) at a premium on E-bay.......
 

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open stock wrenches at sears are pretty much all USA still.

you can, not saying you should, but can buy the chinese full polish set, and ask the sears employee to swap the chinese wrenches for the open stock USA versions. IMHO, as long as the wrenches are still in new condition and can be put in place of the USA on the open stock rack.

others can chime in on if this scenario is unethical or what not.
 

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Lobster claws absolutely, undoubtedly come from china... there may be examples of similar wrenches made in the USA, but ALL the Cman china wrenches are lobster claws, and much worse examples of lobster claws that those USA ratcheting wrenches.

when i handled the USA version not long ago at sears, i didnt feel as though they were lobster claw material. IMO
 

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open stock wrenches at sears are pretty much all USA still.

you can, not saying you should, but can buy the chinese full polish set, and ask the sears employee to swap the chinese wrenches for the open stock USA versions. IMHO, as long as the wrenches are still in new condition and can be put in place of the USA on the open stock rack.

others can chime in on if this scenario is unethical or what not.

On one hand, they sell them under the same sku #, so that says to me they consider them the same, whether foreign or domestic.
On the other hand, the hang tag on the tools often says "Made in USA" for domestic tools. Swapping them out would mean hanging import tools with packaging that says "USA", which would inevitably result in the sears bashing thread by the guy who got home and realized he had china wrenches in USA packaging, ZOMG! Sears is lying!
I won't make a call as to the right or wrong of it, but I probably wouldn't do it.
 

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On one hand, they sell them under the same sku #, so that says to me they consider them the same, whether foreign or domestic.
On the other hand, the hang tag on the tools often says "Made in USA" for domestic tools. Swapping them out would mean hanging import tools with packaging that says "USA", which would inevitably result in the sears bashing thread by the guy who got home and realized he had china wrenches in USA packaging, ZOMG! Sears is lying!
I won't make a call as to the right or wrong of it, but I probably wouldn't do it.


Open stock wrenchs only have a bar code sticker... no made in card or hang tags like the sockets ect.. I asked when I picked up the china set when it was on sale last week, after looking to see if they had any old stock, they said no. They also didn't have the full set in open stock. While there ugly to look at the work fine.
 

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On one hand, they sell them under the same sku #, so that says to me they consider them the same, whether foreign or domestic.
On the other hand, the hang tag on the tools often says "Made in USA" for domestic tools. Swapping them out would mean hanging import tools with packaging that says "USA", which would inevitably result in the sears bashing thread by the guy who got home and realized he had china wrenches in USA packaging, ZOMG! Sears is lying!
I won't make a call as to the right or wrong of it, but I probably wouldn't do it.


i have never seen open stock wrenches with any sort of packaging. they hang by the box end on a rack.

i did swap out a set for the open stocks. but i went in with the plan that if they did not place the wrenches back on the shelf, i was not swapping them. the guy was helpful, and asked why i was swapping them and if they were defective. i told him they are brand new, and should be hung back up on the shelf, nothing wrong with them, other than being chinese. he was totally understanding, and said that they are interchangeable, so no problem whatsoever, and that the only reason he asked was because he was curious.

no packaging swap, i have the chinese packaging, the wrenches i bought were placed back on the shelf in place of the USA pro that i got in exchange. they feel they are identical and cool with it, then so am i.

let the bash begin, i dont see an issue. the wrenches were not broken on purpose to warranty, and the packaging was not swapped. even trade, by the books. the only problem i could see people having is that i got a set of USA pros for $17.99 sears price.
 
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i dont see an issue. the wrenches were not broken on purpose to warranty, and the packaging was not swapped. even trade, by the books. the only problem i could see people having is that i got a set of USA pros for $17.99 sears price.

I call that Winning :beer:
 

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Lobster claws absolutely, undoubtedly come from china... there may be examples of similar wrenches made in the USA, but ALL the Cman china wrenches are lobster claws, and much worse examples of lobster claws that those USA ratcheting wrenches.

when i handled the USA version not long ago at sears, i didnt feel as though they were lobster claw material. IMO

Actually this is 100% completely and totally false. You need to look at the US Cross Force wrenches with the EXACT same 'lobster claw' that all of the Chinese wrenches have.

Therefore, they did not come from China.
 

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Actually this is 100% completely and totally false. You need to look at the US Cross Force wrenches with the EXACT same 'lobster claw' that all of the Chinese wrenches have.

Therefore, they did not come from China.

if they dont come from china... where are all these made in china wrenches with the lobster claws coming from??

i didnt say they only come from china.

did you read my post? or shootin' from the hip?
 

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Another option would be to put together a set of off Cripe, they have KD and Allen USA long pattern full polish wrenches. /QUOTE]

The full polished KD and Allen branded wrenches Cripe sells are not the long pattern. They are standard length. For wrench sizes under 1 inch, they're shorter than the US made Craftsman Professional series by an inch to 1.5 inches. Great wrenches but, not long. :beer:
 

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Another option would be to put together a set of off Cripe, they have KD and Allen USA long pattern full polish wrenches. /QUOTE]

The full polished KD and Allen branded wrenches Cripe sells are not the long pattern. They are standard length. For wrench sizes under 1 inch, they're shorter than the US made Craftsman Professional series by an inch to 1.5 inches. Great wrenches but, not long. :beer:

Are you sure about that? I have a set of KD full polish I picked up recently and I'm pretty certain they are the same length as my cman pros.
 
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Never ever let facts confuse an issue here

The facts are they come from Apex tool group, its just as silly for someone to claim the "lobster claw" comes from the USA as well as China, but "lets not let facts confuse the issues here". My gut tells me that Lobster Claw influence came from overseas manufacturing plants since its more prominent in the Apex produced craftsman tools and seems to only rear its abnormally sized head in the cross force line and "Not" the standard (industrial) combo lines nor the gearwrench or armstrong "standard" combos. Of course that just a guess, I really don't care, I have no proof and I suspect the people throwing 100% claims around lack it also.

Gotta love the interwebs..
 
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There has been a bazillion threads on these Craftsman lobster claws. I seem to recall somebody in one of them actually get information back from Sear that the whole reason for the lobster claw was by design to reduce jaw spreading. It was requested by Sears/Craftsman and had nothing to do with all the looney speculation of "substandard" materials being used and the lobster claw was need for that.
 

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Are you sure about that? I have a set of KD full polish I picked up recently and I'm pretty certain they are the same length as my cman pros.

Pictured below for your education are from left to right US made Craftsman professional then KD in sizes 15, 14, 13, 12 and 10mm for comparison. Notice the differences in length. The craftsman 15mm comes in at approximatelt 8 15/16 overall while the KD 15mm is 7 3/8 overall. the craftsman 10mm is 6 5/8 long with the KD 10 mm at 5 3/8.
Most companies that produce a standard length series and a long series of wrenches merge the two lines at the 1 inch size and over.
 

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i had to swap out a Cman pro i recently acquired today because it was bent from the factory... and low and behold, the sears i used today has some SK made professionals in open stock.

i was shocked. hasnt it been over a decade since those wrenches were produced?
 

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Pictured below for your education are from left to right US made Craftsman professional then KD in sizes 15, 14, 13, 12 and 10mm for comparison. Notice the differences in length. The craftsman 15mm comes in at approximatelt 8 15/16 overall while the KD 15mm is 7 3/8 overall. the craftsman 10mm is 6 5/8 long with the KD 10 mm at 5 3/8.
Most companies that produce a standard length series and a long series of wrenches merge the two lines at the 1 inch size and over.

:thumbup:

I went and looked at mine when I got home, and yes the bigger ones seem to be the same length, but the smaller are shorter. Didn't even realize it!
 

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Just picked up two full Craftsman Professional USA sets SAE/Metric near Ann Arbor at a Garage sale. Man are these things nice. Never thought I would be able to afford a full polish wrench set, but a $20 a set I couldn't say no. Patients definitely pays off. Now if I could just find some SO for the same price. If I keep at it I'm sure it will happen.:D
 

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just picked up two full craftsman professional usa sets sae/metric near ann arbor at a garage sale. Man are these things nice. Never thought i would be able to afford a full polish wrench set, but a $20 a set i couldn't say no. Patients definitely pays off. Now if i could just find some so for the same price. If i keep at it i'm sure it will happen.:d
YOU ****!

I'll make you a deal. Sell me a set for $40, and that makes your set net cost= FREE! ;)
 

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I've been trying to find the bigger (14 piece like SAE?) set of cman industrial metric long pattern full polish, but my Sears Outlet has NONE. :(
 

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I've been trying to find the bigger (14 piece like SAE?) set of cman industrial metric long pattern full polish, but my Sears Outlet has NONE. :(

im fairly certain they have all disappeared from the outlets. if any of the outlets still had stock, it would show on the searsoutlet.com site.

they are still showing standards for $65, no metrics. they were snatched out very quickly.

http://www.searsoutlet.com/14-PC-Wr...id=8285&mode=buyNewOnly&itemSelectionType=all
 

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anyone know roughly was year they switched from SK professional long patterns to the danaher/armstrong longs?
 

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they are still showing standards for $65, no metrics. they were snatched out very quickly.
http://www.searsoutlet.com/14-PC-Wr...id=8285&mode=buyNewOnly&itemSelectionType=all

Those showing there have been gone for quite some time. I tried to add them to a cart several weeks ago. It then shows up that they are not available. Goofy webpage...

anyone know roughly was year they switched from SK professional long patterns to the danaher/armstrong longs?
I am not certain, but I think I recall reading that it was around 2000, give or take a year. Catalog photos would be a dead giveaway.

Regarding the wrenches you mention in your sig,
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Craftsman Professional 11mm and 19mm combos, Danaher USA style.
I think I've seen Cman Pros in old stock USA at a local Sears hometown store, and I will be trying to find out soon (need to warranty one with spread jaws) if they still have USA stock. If I see a USA made 11 and 19, do you want them?
 
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anyone know roughly was year they switched from SK professional long patterns to the danaher/armstrong longs?

There was a raised panel polished chrome wrench that came out after the SK patterns......don't know who made them though. They looked similar the the latest Williams Super Combo's.
 

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There was a raised panel polished chrome wrench that came out after the SK patterns......don't know who made them though. They looked similar the the latest Williams Super Combo's.

They are stamped with the k...not sure if that is a sure sign sk made them or not.
 
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