Yea. I have those to.I have offset, flat too. I know why I don't love mine. They just don't fit the hand very comfortably. They're all hard edges. No big deal, but there's nothing to love about them. They do work ,they were relatively cheap. And they used to be the only ones craftsman had. That's why I picked up a set. Didn't use them that often. When craftsman came out with the newer stuff, I bought a set, wondered how I ever got by without them. It's my own fault, for having crazy ideas about my matching tools. Having non matching just feels wrong somehow. Well I'll just have to get over it. Buying American is more important to me. Also lifetime guarantee very important. If a **** tool breaks and they replace it with more of the same. What's the point.?