Daisy chaining wireless router

[koditten]

Installed my cat 6 wire and now have wired internet to the shop. The set up is as follows:

Cable via coax to modum, modum via ethernet cable to Linksy netgear 54 wirless router with the wireless turned off. Cat 6 to shop to shop computer.

Can I connect another Linksys router to the cat 6 in the shop and turn on the wireless. In a nutshell, I have wired in the house and the shop will be wireless.

Doing some searching, I believe it can be done. But I'm a novice and I have to be honest, I'm really getting tired of walking to the house and resetting that first router. My question is when I do this, will I have to reset the house router or do you leave that totally alone and only work with the second router admin page settings?

I do have to admit that I'm pretty damn happy I have the internet in the shop, even if it is wired. My hope is to install a wireless camera tied to the second(shop) router (actually turned into an access point).

My goal is to give out my camera address to customers so they can see the progress of their trailers I build for them.

 

[koditten]

this has got to be record. I got a response to my phone before the pc.

 

[koditten]

weird, the post didn't show up here.

 

[Sureshot]

Yes it can be done. Hopefully someone more knowledgeable chimes in but on my similar setup I had to change a 1 to a 2 in the address. I have notes on it here somewhere but cannot seem to find them at the moment.

 

[Worsedog]

You can do it if the router can be configured as an access point only. It is difficult to have two routers doing DCHP on the same network, if that is how your first router is configured.

 

[Outlander]

You want your shop router to be an access point rather than a router. I did not walk thru the details, but you should be able to find instructions like these, http://www.wikihow.com/Convert-Linksys-WRT54G-to-Be-an-Access-Point.

Make sure DHPC is turned off on garage device or you will get IP address conflicts and none of your computers etc will be working. You will end up needing a new wireless ID and will be able to connect to koditten_shop or kiditten_house depending where you are.

This what you are trying to do?

 

[Outlander]

Worsedog was quicker and less loquacious

 

[mike_81]

turn off DHCP, firewall, etc. Make the router IP static, that is type it in manually. 192.168.1.2 (if your Linksys is 192.168.1.1, other wise 192.168.x.2).

Enable wireless with WPA2-PSK password.

assign WAN port as LAN port if possible, otherwise don't use it.

 

[elm_street]

Why are you resetting the first router? If it is because you can't get access to anything beyond your home network (i.e. the internet) then adding another router as an access point won't solve that problem. You want the router in the garage to be the main router. However, if that router doesn't require resets like the other one does then maybe you want to use that one as the main router in the house.

Strictly speaking (ignoring the reset problem) what you are looking to do can be accomplished by a switch and a wireless access point if you want wireless. A router generally gives you both of those in one package and as others have explained it is possible to get the setup you are looking to get.

 

[koditten]

Thanks, guys. I'm picking up a wireless router this evening that can be configured to be an access point only.

I'm glad it has and can be done.

Thanks

KO

 

[Bubbles]

Yes we do it all the time . Turn off deco on the second router. Use the ports to connect to the first router. Do not use the uplink or Internet port of the second router. The second router will pick up and broadcast numbers from the first.

You have to set a static number into the second router in case u want to log back into it.

 

[Bubbles]

Sorry deco is supposes to be dhcp.

 

[bheemsoth]

I run a similar setup in my house, but use the same ssid on both (note the case if the ssid as well as the security and pass code settings must match exactly between the devices).

My main router is in the basement, and broadcasts on channel 6 handling dhcp and other core functions.

The second is upstairs, with an ip on the same subnet and dhcp disabled. This device uses channel 11.

Devices bounce back and forth once the signal from one access point deteriorates enough.

Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk 4

 

[mike_81]

I run a similar setup in my house, but use the same ssid on both (note the case if the ssid as well as the security and pass code settings must match exactly between the devices).

My main router is in the basement, and broadcasts on channel 6 handling dhcp and other core functions.

The second is upstairs, with an ip on the same subnet and dhcp disabled. This device uses channel 11.

Devices bounce back and forth once the signal from one access point deteriorates enough.

Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk 4

I have the exact same setup at my place. I used once of these upstairs instead of a large router.

http://www.dlink.com/ca/en/home-sol...-broadband/dir-505-shareport-mobile-companion

 

[nehog]

turn off DHCP, firewall, etc. Make the router IP static, that is type it in manually. 192.168.1.2 (if your Linksys is 192.168.1.1, other wise 192.168.x.2).

Enable wireless with WPA2-PSK password.

assign WAN port as LAN port if possible, otherwise don't use it.

This is the correct answer.

Another solution if you do not need to access anything on the house's network (just need internet access) is to plug in the garage's WAN (Internet port) into any LAN (local port) on the house unit. Because the house lan and the garage lan are both non-routable you won't be able to use anything on the other segment. But the garage will have full internet access. You may need to diddle with port forwarding to make everything work however. Mike's answer is basically the right way to do it, my answer is the fast way!

 

[Falcon67]

I don't think DHCP is an issue here between the two because they are routers. Routers don't forward DHCP unless you make them. So

House router is likely 192.168.1.1. Set DHCP for 192.168.1.10~50, net mast 255.255.255.0, gateway 192.168.1.1.
Route wire from house router to WAN port on shop router. Set the house router to give 192.168.1.2 to the MAC for the shop router.

Set shop router to 192.168.1.2 to give DHCP 192.168.1.100~130, same netmask as above, gateway will be 192.168.1.2 (DHCP on the routers will hand the correct gateway)

Now everyone can see everyone and have internet.

 

[nehog]

I don't think DHCP is an issue here between the two because they are routers. Routers don't forward DHCP unless you make them. So...

It is. Say router 1 assigns the address x.x.x.23 then there is a high possibility that router 2 would also assign address x.x.x.23 as well resulting in a conflict.

Generally the rule is simple: only one DHCP server on a network at a time.

The way I mentioned above, connecting the second routers WAN port creates two networks, and eliminates the two DHCP servers on a single network. But since local addresses are never routed to two networks won't talk to each other, effectively eliminating things like printer and file sharing. This can be good however!

 

[Falcon67]

>Generally the rule is simple: only one DHCP server on a network at a time.

The router's won't assign the same addresses if they are configured not to - you assign a specific scope to each router. If you just plug 'em in, sure it's going to create issues. The DHCP request can't access another nework segment because the host doesn't have a routable address - yet.

Also, it's not common but possible to have more than one DHCP server on a network if the servers are managed properly. The endpoint machines send out a DHCP request and the closest server will respond. We see this often at the start of school when kids plug their routers in backwards on a network port and one floor of a building starts getting addresses from some $40 Netgear router. The close machines (those on the same switch) will get their request answered by the close DHCP server. I put my laptop on the same network segment with a VLAN and run a sniffer, find the MAC of the server, ask the switches who has that MAC, look up the room port assignment, then go knock on the door. Scares the **** out of the Freshmen - "network cops at the door".

 

[koditten]

One last question.

The computer I use in the shop is a very functional 32 bit machine running windows pro. Will this 32 bit machine have any trouble on the system I'm trying to put together?

Thanks for all the help. This mean a lot to me.

Kirk

 

[Falcon67]

I use an older XP 32 bit Dell laptop in the shop with a G band radio in it, sits about 70' from the router in the house. Signal goes through 3 sheetrock walls, one brick wall, one cement board wall and some OSB. Works good. That's at least 15~20dB signal loss.

Speed on wireless is a function of the band you use - G band 2.4 gHz is most common and works well enough. 5 gHz routers and endpoint interfaces will be faster because of the increased bandwidth along with multiple channels that can be used together - at the cost of more $$$ and a bit shorter range.

On a cable internet connection, you'd likely not see the difference between a 100 meg wired connection to your PC and 1 Gig connection. You're uplink is the limiter more or less.

 

[koditten]

Thats good to hear.

I just want to play around and learn a bit more about IP cameras and the things that can be done. Good to know that I don't have to get another computer when the oneI have works just fine.

That brings me to another question. I seen a few IP cameras on Amazon for the $5o dollar range. They can tilt and pan. If someone wants to give me a review, i would like that as well.

I'm starting out and I am not willing to spend a **** load of coin uless I really like how this project turns out.

 

[elav]

That brings me to another question. I seen a few IP cameras on Amazon for the $5o dollar range. They can tilt and pan. If someone wants to give me a review, i would like that as well.

I'm starting out and I am not willing to spend a **** load of coin uless I really like how this project turns out.

The Foscam FI8910W is a decent wifi camera for the money and will get you started. Please note that access the camera inside your local network can be pretty straightforward. Accessing the camera from outside your local network is more involved.

 

[nehog]

... very functional 32 bit machine running windows pro. Will this 32 bit machine have any trouble ...

Nope, no problem. Networks don't care if it is Windows or Android or Linux or whatever.

 

[koditten]

waaay cool. thanks

 

[ScaldedDog]

If you want, you can use your older machine in the garage as just a terminal, and use Windows terminal services to take control of your nice machine in the house. Then all your files and downloads are in one place, and you never have to wonder, "Which machine was I using when I downloaded that?" I'm writing this message from the garage using just such a setup.

Mark

 

[koditten]

I don't care if the 2 machines "talk" with each other. if it happens, no biggie. I just want a somewhat secure wireless in the shop. Between home, the shop and work I bet I use 10 different machines to surf. I try to not down load anything unless I need it and am at home. Too risky to make mistake and get the internet cops mad at me. The phone, well, anything goes on that

I will research that when I get this shop machine off the cable. Hopefully this time tomarrow.

 

[jomobco]

You're creating a wireless access point. Set your 2nd router up in bridge mode (which should turn off DHCP) and it will act as one with the 1st router creating an extension of the first wireless network yet getting all instructions for addresses, etc from the 1st router.

 

[Charles (in GA)]

I installed an Apple Airport Extreme on my network to give me wireless. I was using a wired only Netgear FVS318G. I simply plugged a ethernet cable from one of the Netgear ports to the Wan port on the Apple unit. Not sure what I did on the setup (not happy with the windows software for it) but it works fine. I originally installed it so I could use my smartphone at home to learn how to use it. I was having to use my laptop plugged to the ethernet (which is how I normally did it) and then used the laptops wireless as a WAP which worked but meant having to set up the laptop everytime I wanted to play with the phone. Recently got a decent 4G signal out here.

Charles

 

[rharman]

< snip >

My goal is to give out my camera address to customers so they can see the progress of their trailers I build for them.

< /snip >

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You're going to have an issue with that. With residential service, you're setup on DHCP from your provider. You do not have a static external IP address to give out.

You could setup something to post occasionally to a pic hosting site and your customers could see those pics.

 

[drmarkr]

Threads like this make me realize just how old, and techno-ignorant I am...

carry on.

 

[softailgarage]

turn off DHCP, firewall, etc. Make the router IP static, that is type it in manually. 192.168.1.2 (if your Linksys is 192.168.1.1, other wise 192.168.x.2).

Enable wireless with WPA2-PSK password.

assign WAN port as LAN port if possible, otherwise don't use it.

BINGO, Mike's got it. I just "cascaded" (same thing) routers 2 weeks ago. If your going to buy another router I suggest Linksys SMART series.

 

[softailgarage]

My goal is to give out my camera address to customers so they can see the progress of their trailers I build for them.

This is what you want...live streaming
http://www.ustream.tv/new

 

[mike_81]

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You're going to have an issue with that. With residential service, you're setup on DHCP from your provider. You do not have a static external IP address to give out.

You could setup something to post occasionally to a pic hosting site and your customers could see those pics.

this is easily rectified. just use a dynamic DNS site. i use https://www.dlinkddns.com/login as its free because I have a d-link router.

I use this to access my media server for apps like couchpotato, sickbeard and transmission. Its never failed.

 

[elav]

this is easily rectified. just use a dynamic DNS site. i use https://www.dlinkddns.com/login as its free because I have a d-link router.

I use this to access my media server for apps like couchpotato, sickbeard and transmission. Its never failed.

Based on the OP's questions about setting up his network I would suggest spending the extra money and getting an end-to-end solution like DropCam It is roughly $100 more than the OP wanted to spend but to plug it in and go in a couple of minutes would be worth it in my opinion.

 

[Falcon67]

The Foscam FI8910W is a decent wifi camera for the money and will get you started. Please note that access the camera inside your local network can be pretty straightforward. Accessing the camera from outside your local network is more involved.

We use one in the kids room when the little one stays over. Good unit for that. For watching trailers get built - not so much. Ubiquiti sells some lower end priced HD cams that might fit that need but they do not have night vision, if that is a need. If you want your customer to see anything at any kind of distance, you are talking $$$ for a camera. You'd be better off snapping pics with a point and shoot and uploading them to a photo sharing service.

 

[koditten]

No joy on my end. Somehow turned off the house router via the shop computer or router.

If someone wants to try this via phone, the number is 989/239/9919

Thanks

Kirk

 

[nehog]

Go read http://www.techrepublic.com/forums/questions/how-to-daisy-chain-routers/ and then read https://www.grc.com/nat/nat.htm . If you are still lost, you may want to consider getting someone local to help you. Most towns have small computer shops (this is just like the small TV shops of days gone by) and they are usually not too expensive. Walk in and explain what you want to do, and ask how much to come out and set it up.

 

[koditten]

I got it!

I just needed to follow you guys instructions better.

Now to research the camera suggestions you guys posted

Thanks!

 

[Jeffksf]

Not attempting to hijack but I think this topic would help my issue.
My router and DSL modem are in the basement and our wireless signal is pitiful on the back porch. I can easily get a cat5 cable to my garage since I ran extra conduits so what do I need to buy and put in my garage (it's only 40' away from my patio) to get my wireless network stronger in the garage/backyard.
Thanks for any help

 

[koditten]

Hyjacking is welcome, as long as it relates. Your good.