Deep offset wrench sets?

[T45]

Ended up going with these:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/12pc-ILLINO...hash=item53e8a860b2:m:mpObVKrK2V3PuJbjyX-LuQA


None of the suggested higher end sets were complete,

Stahlwille SF20/8 Offset Double-Ended Ring Spanner Set, Metric, 8 Pieces

The set includes eight double-ended ring spanners in the following sizes: 6 mm x 7 mm, 8 mm x 9 mm, 10 mm x 11 mm, 12 mm x 13 mm, 14 mm x 15 mm, 16 mm x 17 mm, 18 mm x 19 mm, and 20 mm x 22 mm.

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=225822

YOu can still buy these for $80ish and be in for ~ $117 with your other ones as SAE


Either way good luck

 

[paulsomlo]

Cheap enough, hope they work out.

 

[M6erfan]

Stahlwille SF20/8 Offset Double-Ended Ring Spanner Set, Metric, 8 Pieces

The set includes eight double-ended ring spanners in the following sizes: 6 mm x 7 mm, 8 mm x 9 mm, 10 mm x 11 mm, 12 mm x 13 mm, 14 mm x 15 mm, 16 mm x 17 mm, 18 mm x 19 mm, and 20 mm x 22 mm.

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=225822

YOu can still buy these for $80ish and be in for ~ $117 with your other ones as SAE


Either way good luck

You got a link for that $80 set? I couldn't find it even when was following that other thread a few months ago. The $80 Stahlwille sets remain a phantom...

 

[professaurus]

I got the 20/8 metric set and 20A/6 sae set for $152 shipped to CA from Amazon.de. You just go to Amazon.de go to the bottom and change the language to English, search for stahlwille 20/8 and when you find it click on the sold by other sellers and select Amazon as the seller. I have Amazon Prime so I think shipping was free.

 

[T45]

You got a link for that $80 set? I couldn't find it even when was following that other thread a few months ago. The $80 Stahlwille sets remain a phantom...

https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B000HB00CA/

Price: EUR 66,49 Free shipping on most orders.

once you adjust for VAT and shipping, you should be in good shape.

$55 ex vat plus s&h (~20 shipping pro-rata for whatever else you buy)

 

[M6erfan]

The link goes to this page...



U.S. site, $207 (but free shipping)...

 

[T45]

The link goes to this page...



U.S. site, $207 (but free shipping)...

https://www.amazon.de/gp/offer-listing/B000HB00CA

Try this, but select the amazon price...66 not 63 euro one.

 

[M6erfan]

Lol...



links to U.S. site again and no 63 or 66 euro to be found...

 

[M6erfan]

So I went directly to the Amazon.de site. Check out the name of the set I found for 66 euro...



"Steel Wille"

 

[T45]

So I went directly to the Amazon.de site. Check out the name of the set I found for 66 euro...



"Steel Wille"

Stahl translates as Steel from the german :

 

[M6erfan]

Stahl translates as Steel from the german :

oh yeah, forgot about google translate... Maybe thats the issue...

 

[T45]

Lol...



links to U.S. site again and no 63 or 66 euro to be found...

You're being re-directed obviously by amazon.com ... so other users maybe cut an past the link directly? The links are correct (just noting this for someone down the line). Alternatively, if you just erase the .com with the .de it should also fix it for you once up an running in the navigatin bar.

 

[M6erfan]

Weird, I cant get the links to work no matter what (copy/paste, right click/goto...)

FWIW, I'm browsing with Google Chrome on Mac OS

This is the first link issue I've ever had

 

[LXCam]

For example, yesterday I was changing a toyota strut, and needed an offset wrench. I don't think that those duralasts would have met the necessary fitment requirements.

Alot of people rave about these:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Stahlwille-Germany-20-8-Metric-Deep-Offset-Box-Wrench-Set-6-22mm-SHIP-FROM-USA-/331967008712?hash=item4d4ac68fc8:g:X48AAOSwiylXDRlq&item=331967008712&vxp=mtr

I bought the Stahlwille 20/8 set from Jens Putzier, I think it was roughly $85 shipped.

I have five different brands of DB including SK's I bought within the last couple of years. The Stahlwilles are the only set I can get into the recess of a strut. I bought the set that covers up to 32mm for something around 130 shipped from Jen. I would suggest you contact them and see what deals they may have.

So I just checked their site and I'm not seeing any sets at all. You might send them an email to inquire about availability.

Here's a better price but not sure about shipping.

https://chadstoolbox.com/96410405-stahlwille-sf20-8-double-box-end-wrench-set/

 

[Bennylava]

Weird, I cant get the links to work no matter what (copy/paste, right click/goto...)

FWIW, I'm browsing with Google Chrome on Mac OS

This is the first link issue I've ever had

Ouch. A double dose of being spied on. I'd switch to Firefox. Off topic, I know. But I just have to say something when I see this kind of thing. I'm a constitution loving kind of guy.

I'm sure I'll upgrade to a better set of wrenches eventually. But that's just what I've got to do, for right now. And I hate to say it with all these good recommendations but... when I do finally spend $120 per set, (standard and metric) I'm going to be buying American. I can't see myself ever buying german at those prices.

 

[paulsomlo]

If I search www.amazon.de with "Set Double Ring Key Number 20/8", it comes up. I'm thinking that you may need Amazon Prime, as I'm getting a message that it can't be shipped to my address.

Here's a link to Jens Putzier's website: https://www.jensputzier.com/
He's also a member here, so you can PM him.

 

[LXCam]

Ben have you tried Harry Epsteins?. Before you make a final choice you might want to see what they have laying around.

http://www.harryepstein.com/

 

[M6erfan]

I got them at TBS Aachen it's been a few months, but it was about $70:
http://www.tbs-aachen.de/Stahlwille/Wrenches/Box-end-Wrench-Sets/Stahlwille_ES_20/8_6x7-19x22_mm_Double_ended_ring_spanners_8_pcs_i3559_51134.htm

Deduct the VAT, not charged if shipped outside EU

Just for fun, I added them to my cart and went into checkout. $110 USD shipped (68 euro + 35 euro/shipping)

 

[T45]

Amazon will be significantly cheaper than other options, if this is all you are trying to buy. Ex-vat price is below, 55 euro, and i believe shipping is 19 euro for this as a standalone item. So $82 all in is about right.

Steel Wille Set Double Ring Key Number 20/8
EUR 55,87 [ex vat]
Only 16 left in stock (more on the way).
Sold by: Amazon EU S.a.r.L.

(fx rate is EUR = 1.1145595822 USD, including CC translation fees)

The OP is welcome to get whatever he wants, obviously. But this thread seems to illustrat the general mentality of many buyers these days: (1) Buy chicom for cheap; (2) overpay for USA, before adding the money lost on Chicom the first time around.

The dysfunction of the market is driving many USA tool companies either outof business or onto a precarious ledge of narrow opportunity, and I wonder if not supporting decent tools at decent prices is really beneficial to anyone in the long run.

That being said, a budget is a budget and 150 for 2 sets of stahlwilles is 5x what the OP is proposing to spend. I agree that might be a bit out of the budget, bu frankly buying a good set of wrenches in metric for modern uses for $80-ish is about half of what these tools cost 5 years ago, and about half of a single snap on set. And as many have alluded to, Hazet and Stahlwille versions of this tool are generally regarded to be the best by any make at any price.

This post is just to clarify the pricing and availavility of the tools in the market for other readers.

Not my tools or my decision.

 

[LXCam]

^^^

Had he not provided a situation for a certain application I would have gladly suggested other offerings for a lot less money. Heck I have a complete metric set of DBE Great necks I bought at the local auto joint years ago that are absolutely great. The finish is flawless and the chrome has remained solid. Fitment is great and I've put these thing thru their paces without deformation or damage. It was one of those emergency purchases that catch ya off guard they work so well.

But they have been retired since getting the Extra Deep Stahlwell's and the short SK sets.

 

[Bennylava]

Heck I have a complete metric set of DBE Great necks I bought at the local auto joint years ago that are absolutely great. The finish is flawless and the chrome has remained solid. Fitment is great and I've put these thing thru their paces without deformation or damage. It was one of those emergency purchases that catch ya off guard they work so well.

But they have been retired since getting the Extra Deep Stahlwell's and the short SK sets.

I recently snapped a Great Neck crescent wrench lol. Maybe I'm just too brutish with stuff or something, but if I don't try to buy the best tools I can (reason for the creation of this thread) then I usually regret it in the way of broken tools. I really do try not to use tools for stuff they're not intended for. But I have broken plenty of tools in my day. Don't know if that's how it is for everyone, or what.

... But this thread seems to illustrat the general mentality of many buyers these days: (1) Buy chicom for cheap; (2) overpay for USA, before adding the money lost on Chicom the first time around.

The dysfunction of the market is driving many USA tool companies either outof business or onto a precarious ledge of narrow opportunity, and I wonder if not supporting decent tools at decent prices is really beneficial to anyone in the long run.

Does seem to be an issue. I'll probably upgrade to $120 worth of Gearwrench brand deep offsets, eventually. Maybe sooner rather than later, if these don't end up fitting stuff well. Like into the right spaces and such.

 

[LXCam]

I recently snapped a Great Neck crescent wrench lol. Maybe I'm just too brutish with stuff or something, but if I don't try to buy the best tools I can (reason for the creation of this thread) then I usually regret it in the way of broken tools. I really do try not to use tools for stuff they're not intended for. But I have broken plenty of tools in my day. Don't know if that's how it is for everyone, or what. .

Well maybe I should have closed out my comments with "just because I had one good experience with great neck doesn't mean I intend on using all their tools". I bet GN are no different then anyone else. They make a request or inquiry with a manufacturer and the lowest bid wins......here stamp my name on it. I'll snap a picture of these later today and post them up for ya. Who knows maybe they are still using the same manufacturer and you might get luck too.

 

[Bennylava]

Who knows maybe they are still using the same manufacturer and you might get lucky too.

Do we have any information on who all these manufacturers are? And thus, we could weed through and find the best ones?

 

[four.cycle]

> http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=345229

 

[Ign]

OP, I have just a few old SK deep offsets and one new shiny Craftsman. I believe they're metric. If you or anyone wants them for cost of shipping PM me. I'll send you pics. It's far from a full set but I just never use deep offsets. I scrapped the old HF India ones I had from 14 years ago and kept these few quality wrenches, but they need a home.

edit: there's a U.S. Craftsman 21/23mm. Part #44368. Never used.
SK 15/16 - 1" part hmm no part #
SK 13/16 - 7/8" part 33026
SK 3/8 - 7/16" part 33012

 

[General Geoff]

I just wanted to say, I ordered the Stahlwille 20/8 set from amazon.de, and even with expedited shipping, it was only $90 USD. 38% less than what it would cost if purchased from amazon.com. Sometimes the foreign domestic markets do work in our favor!

 

[bixxjs]

Try hunting down a used set off eBay.

 

[paulsomlo]

I just wanted to say, I ordered the Stahlwille 20/8 set from amazon.de, and even with expedited shipping, it was only $90 USD. 38% less than what it would cost if purchased from amazon.com. Sometimes the foreign domestic markets do work in our favor!

Do you have Amazon Prime?

 

[General Geoff]

Do you have Amazon Prime?

Yes but evidently, the free shipping does not extend to overseas orders.

Item Subtotal: EUR 55,47
Delivery and Handling: EUR 25,67

Order Total: EUR 81,14
USD 90.89*

The no-rush shipping option would have been $8 cheaper, but I'm impatient


You have to select Amazon as the seller on the right-hand side of the page, it should be directly under the "Add to List" button on the right side of the page. The default seller with lowest list price doesn't ship to the USA.

 

[paulsomlo]

Yes but evidently, the free shipping does not extend to overseas orders.

Reason I asked, was early on in this thread, I went to Amazon.de and went through the process of putting this item in my cart, but they wouldn't ship to USA until I chose Amazon Prime.

I've already got this set of wrenches, but there's a lot of other stuff that's potentially much cheaper from amazon.de than buying here in the USA. So I'm wondering if Amazon Prime is necessary to get them to ship here.

 

[928'er]

I got the Stahwille 20/8 set from Jens Putzier about a year ago when he had them on "special".

$91.20 delivered to my door. As I recall, it only took about 4 days Germany - California.

 

[928'er]

Stahl translates as Steel from the german :

Yep, Stahlwille = steel will.

 

[drtyler]

The "wille" part of Stahlwille is the last name of the founder, Eduard Wille.

Nice wrenches though. The Stabil (deep offset) and Corona (shallow offset) are some of the best.

Yep, Stahlwille = steel will.

 

[Bennylava]

Do you have Amazon Prime?

Beware Amazon prime. They have a tendency to jack up the price to cover the shipping. Make sure you compare to ebay, and other non-prime prices for the same item.

 

[Cope]

Beware Amazon prime. They have a tendency to jack up the price to cover the shipping. Make sure you compare to ebay, and other non-prime prices for the same item.

They show other pricing on the same item, with and without Prime. I make ±100 Prime purchases each year, and rarely is the Prime price higher. Sometimes eBay is cheaper, and in that case I buy there.

 

[Bennylava]

Well maybe I should have closed out my comments with "just because I had one good experience with great neck doesn't mean I intend on using all their tools". I bet GN are no different then anyone else. They make a request or inquiry with a manufacturer and the lowest bid wins......here stamp my name on it. I'll snap a picture of these later today and post them up for ya. Who knows maybe they are still using the same manufacturer and you might get luck too.

So to be clear, there are other companies that don't do that right? Tool truck brands, for instance. Some of them must have their own manufacturing plants. Or is it like tires?

They show other pricing on the same item, with and without Prime. I make ±100 Prime purchases each year, and rarely is the Prime price higher. Sometimes eBay is cheaper, and in that case I buy there.

You're talking about on the same page, right? They could show you anything they wanted at that point. Type that same item, into their search and compare prices from different pages, and different sellers. For example, one Prime item I wanted was $14 shipped. I go to another page, for another seller. Its $10, with $4 shipping. They're making up for the shipping cost. Happens a lot.

I'm not saying its always that way, often times its not. But a lot of the time it is. Just have to do your due diligence and don't believe them when they're like "HEY LOOK ITS FREE FREE FREE!!!" I am also a prime member. But I comb through it first and sometimes I'll spot that on something I was about to buy.

 

[General Geoff]

You're talking about on the same page, right? They could show you anything they wanted at that point. Type that same item, into their search and compare prices from different pages, and different sellers. For example, one Prime item I wanted was $14 shipped. I go to another page, for another seller. Its $10, with $4 shipping. They're making up for the shipping cost. Happens a lot.

I'm not saying its always that way, often times its not. But a lot of the time it is. Just have to do your due diligence and don't believe them when they're like "HEY LOOK ITS FREE FREE FREE!!!" I am also a prime member. But I comb through it first and sometimes I'll spot that on something I was about to buy.

The price of the item iself isn't affected by Prime membership (except for certain lightning/prime exclusive deals which are explicitly advertised as such). Items with Prime listed next to them simply mean they're eligible for Prime shipping. You can check and track price changes/history on Amazon at camelcamelcamel.com. Fantastic tool for notifying you when an expensive item you've had your eye on for awhile finally drops to a price you're willing to pay.

 

[Bennylava]

The price of the item iself isn't affected by Prime membership (except for certain lightning/prime exclusive deals which are explicitly advertised as such). Items with Prime listed next to them simply mean they're eligible for Prime shipping. You can check and track price changes/history on Amazon at camelcamelcamel.com. Fantastic tool for notifying you when an expensive item you've had your eye on for awhile finally drops to a price you're willing to pay.

Amazon can have many different sellers selling the same item, and sometimes it works out where a given seller is just selling it at a cheaper price than the price that the prime item is listed for. Then you've got to pay shipping of course, but depending on the item, the shipping may bring the price up to the prime item's total price. Its happened to me... I'd say at least 10 times. At that point I usually go check ebay and you can get it for the lower price, with free shipping. And no taxes.

I'm only saying that its not always a good deal. Sometimes it is. Other times its not. The times its not, is when people get fooled into thinking that since they paid $70, they're always going to be getting that good deal because they paid to, after all. But amazon isn't going to just give away free money, they have a plan. After all, what makes an item prime "eligible"? When did they decide that they'll eat the shipping on a given item, and that they won't be paying out more money (in the long run) than the $70 that they took in? Cause if I pick and choose, I could get them to cover double that in shipping costs, right this minute.

 

[General Geoff]

Well, I got the wrenches from Deutschland. They're beautiful.

The last image is thumbnailed to the full resolution one so you can see a close-up of where the wrench engages the bolt.

I got these specifically for a heavily obstructed bolt on the rear shock mount of a 2006 Lincoln Zephyr (basically a Ford Fusion), but of course right after I receive the wrenches a half foot of snow got dumped on us. But I'll eventually get some action shots of it on the bolt that nothing else can grab!

Anyway, these wrenches are NOT mirror polished, but the finish is pleasant to me. They are fairly light and at least appear to be strong, but time will tell with that. I would like to get the 21mm/24mm to completely round out the set, along with the 6 piece SAE set. Maybe in a couple weeks.

 

[pozidriv]