Old WoodWorking Machines Forum Rules:
Your OWWM Membership:
Your membership here is a privilege and not a right. As a member you agree to abide by all the rules of the OWWM Forums. Your membership can be temporarily suspended or revoked at any time for any reason as determined by the site administrators. Excessive rule breaking or egregious offenses will result in a full banning.
Religion:
Do not post about religion.
Politics:
Do not post about politics.
***:
Do not post about ***.
Divisive Topics:
Do not post topics that push people’s buttons. Remember, not everyone shares your opinions. If in doubt forward your text to a moderator for review.
Respect:
No member will berate, belittle, bad mouth, criticize, decry, depreciate, deride, derogate, denigrate, diminish, discount, discredit, disparage, dispraise, downgrade, downplay, dump on, flame, knock, lower, minimize, pan, poo-poo, poor mouth, put down, rap, rip, roast, run down, scoff at, scorch, scorn, slam, smear, sneer at, take down, tear down, underestimate, underrate, under value or write off any member or their machines.
Online Auction:
Do not post a link to, description of or allude to any online auction sites. This includes finished auctions, Buy It Now and auction site seller's 'Store' listings.
Craig’s List & Classified Ads:
Do not post a link to, description of, or allude to any Craig’s List or classified ads. The only exception to this rule is when it is mentioned as the source for a machine you have bought.
Disputes:
Do not air your dirty laundry here.
Cross Posting:
Do not cross post (same topic to multiple forums).
Appraisals:
Do not ask for or give appraisals. Without seeing a machine in person, there are too many unknowns. In addition, prices vary considerably by location, condition, age, ease of pick up or delivery, and so on. Your best option is to search for available sale prices, such as completed sales on eBay (as opposed to listing prices with no bids), listings on our own "Bring Out Your Dead" forum, and other sale sites.
Vulturing:
Do not ask someone to part out a machine.
Chumming:
Do not advertise a sale on any forum other than Bring Out Your Dead.
Rants:
Do not post rants.
Loop Holes:
Do not explore loop holes to get around any rules listed here.
Asian Made Machines:
Asking for information, offering information, advice or the discussion of Asian made machines is not allowed on any forums.
Electrical Topics:
Discussion of permanently installed building wiring systems is not allowed. This includes service entrance conductors, panel boards, circuit breakers, branch circuits, and any portion of branch circuits leading to and including a receptacle (outlet) or disconnecting means, otherwise known as permanently installed electrical work.
Allowable electrical topics include wiring within an old woodworking machine, including the motor(s) and controls. Discussion of RPC or VFD wiring is allowed, but only insofar as it pertains to the devices themselves, or control of the devices, not the portion dealing with supply wiring, circuit breakers, branch circuits, receptacles, nor any other part normally associated with permanently installed building wiring systems.
Avatars:
Avatars must contain clear and recognizable OWWM content. Animated avatars are not allowed. Avatars found to be offensive or non-compliant will be removed at the sole discretion of the administrator. Do not re-use an avatar after it has been removed. If you find your avatar has been removed and have not been alerted to this by an administrator please contact an administrator (use the PM button below).
Off Topic:
Do not go off topic for the forum you are posting to.
Bad Advice:
In the event that you see dangerous or harmful advice given on these forums it is your responsibility to flag the post (triangular button with the exclamation (!) mark) to make a moderator or administrator aware of the posting. Members who post dangerous or harmful advice will be contacted by an administrator and told to stop. Failure to stop these postings will result in removal as a member. This removal will be without recourse.
Compliance:
In the event that you are unsure of compliance contact a moderator or administrator. The adage, “better to ask forgiveness than permission”, doesn’t apply here.
The Old Woodworking Machine Forums:
What follows are brief descriptions of the Old WoodWorking Machine forums and their purpose. Additional rules that directly apply to these forums are listed with that forums description.
Old Woodworking Machines:
This forum is for the discussion of Old WoodWorking Machines. OWWM is defined as any machine that is twenty years old, or older, or a machine that is no longer manufactured.
Allowed topics include those about machines, machine repair and restoration, machine parts, machine set-up, machine maintenance, paper, machine or company history and memorabilia specifically related to OWWM. Additional allowed topics include discussions of tools or machines used in a specific repair and/or restoration of an OWWM.
Discussions of old woodworking portable power tools are also allowed.
Bring Out Your Dead (BOYD):
The BOYD rules are posted on the BOYD forums.
SWARF Forum:
The SWARF (Stuff Without Arn Related Facts) Forum is for the discussion of anything you want as long as you follow the rules (see all the above).
Behavior:
SWARF is not a wild west show.
Craig’s List Exception:
While it was once OK to discuss certain Craig’s List ads that privilege no longer exists.
OWWM.org Support Forum:
This forum is for members to use when having problems with the discussion forum like logging in, how to navigate the forums, changing their profiles, practicing their hand at posting pictures, etc. Please note that you do not need to be logged in to post to this forum so members can, if they are having problems with logging in, post their problems here. Typically this will result in faster action than e-mailing or PMing a moderator or administrator.
Why We Have The eBay (Online) Auction Rule:
Online auctions create a level playing field where we all have the same advantage. If a member finds an auction they don’t want it exposed to the world. Put another way, would you alert the group to an auction you had an interest in? Think of it like a fisherman giving out maps to his best fishing hole.
The usual reason given for violating or wanting to violate the rule is that the violator/potential violator feels that the item will go for under what an OWWM member would be willing to give or the item will be lost to a non-member. With the former it’s pretty unlikely that another member hasn’t already seen it. With the latter, that’s life and no one has yet decreed that all good deals should go to an OWWM forum member.
Professing a misunderstanding of a rule or a disagreement with a rule will not be tolerated. Remember, thousands of members understand, follow and do not challenge the rules.
When Can an Online Auction Be Discussed:
When an online auction is completed/finished it can be discussed. Keep in mind that pictures from the auction will more than likely become dead after a given time and if you insist on discussing the item you really should take the time to repost the pictures to a site like Photo Bucket or Image Shack where they can live on with the post. If your inquiry is of a historical nature and should be archived please post it to the Old Woodworking Machines forum. Please note that most online auctions sites have changed the way old (completed) auctions are displayed and that current auctions are displayed along side the finished auctions. Links with these current auctions displayed will be removed.
In the event that you find yourself needing information prior to bidding on an online auction it is up to you to devise a way of asking your questions without exposing the online auction.
And when all else fails, send a Private Message (PM) to a moderator or administrator. You might be surprised what the outcome will be when you ask first.
What Happens When the Rules Are Violated?;
A violation of any of the rules will cause the forum administrators and moderators to believe that you’ve not read the rules (not an excuse), don’t feel the rules apply to you (you aren’t that special to anyone but your mother or your dog) or are making a blatant attempt to challenge the rule(s) and/or the forum moderators and administrators (not a good idea). The moderators and administrators of the forum reserve the right to deactivate your membership on the spot without warning or recourse. This dismissal may be temporary or permanent.
While no one is expected to agree with all the rules laid out above, all are expected to follow them. If you have a question about a rule or would like a clarification please feel free to contact an administrator. If, for any, reason you feel that you cannot follow the rules as outlined above please contact an administrator and ask to be removed as a member of the OWWM forums.
By your staying here after the published date of these rules it is understood by the administrators that you have agreed to abide by these rules.
Keith Bohn Site Admin
Posts: 38846
Joined: Wed Jun 28, 2000 11:46 pm
Location: Milwaukee, America's Knee Cap
The following changes have been made to the rules.
Online Auction:
Do not post a link to, description of or allude to any online auction. This includes finished auctions.
Craig’s List & Classified Ads:
Do not post a link to, description of, or allude to any Craig’s List or classified ads. The only exception to this rule is when it is mentioned as the source for a machine you have bought.
Keith Bohn
