Didn't see an answer to my Question.
Your first posted TIG weld look a little undercut...
Diy air tanks for compressor
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Didn't see an answer to my Question.
Your first posted TIG weld look a little undercut...
joe_padavano
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I understand. I can run my 1/2" impact wrench with my nail gun compressor. I do a lot of media blasting as well as use a die grinder, cutoff tool, and air sanders. All of them have high SCFM requirements, which is why I have the 23 SCFM compressor. Meanwhile, I've painted cars no problem with my old 1 HP, 110V Craftsman air compressor and a conventional (not HVLP) spray gun. My HVLP guns DO need the high SCFM compressor. I'm still struggling with what application needs more storage volume that doesn't actually need a bigger pump. Maybe supporting a plasma cutter.
royce
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The answer to both your questions are in the pics and why criticize what you think is undercut, when it is plain to see this tank way overbuilt for a 160# air service and the man is clearly competent?
Royce
Ford12508
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I understand. I can run my 1/2" impact wrench with my nail gun compressor. I do a lot of media blasting as well as use a die grinder, cutoff tool, and air sanders. All of them have high SCFM requirements, which is why I have the 23 SCFM compressor. Meanwhile, I've painted cars no problem with my old 1 HP, 110V Craftsman air compressor and a conventional (not HVLP) spray gun. My HVLP guns DO need the high SCFM compressor. I'm still struggling with what application needs more storage volume that doesn't actually need a bigger pump. Maybe supporting a plasma cutter.
My 45a plasma doesnt use much air at all, maybe 5cfm. If you take a 185cfm trailer compressor and hook 2 IR 33 drills to it though, it will only run 1 efficiently. Need to use a volume tank to get both to work properly. Doesnt seem like it should be an issue, but it is.
Your "1/2" impact wrench with my nail gun compressor" is one example. That small tank won't run the gun hard enough for long enough to bust a stubborn fastener loose without waiting. Hook that compressor up to the 38 gallons the OP is building and you'd likely never have to wait on the compressor when using an impact. Would also be useable, though somewhat limited, with a cut-off & die grinder for mechanic work. Sounds like you're more into bodywork/restoration so you're likely running those tools longer than a mechanic would.
GaryM909
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Typical work for a welder. Over build and it will last for a lifetime. I wouldn’t hesitate to use those tanks at all.
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sberry
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I agree,,, 3x over built. 3x over welded. It would have got a couple passes of wire here. Maybe even one, one on the fittings.
dr_clyde
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So, a pressure vessel built to code standards is overbuilt now? I’d say that’s just right. A 3 pass pipe weld is, well, standard.
Over welded is when it’s for 5 or 6 passes on sch. 40 pipe.
Sch. 40 is probably overkill for the task, but as far as welding is concerned I don’t see any issues whatsoever.
Over welded is when it’s for 5 or 6 passes on sch. 40 pipe.
Sch. 40 is probably overkill for the task, but as far as welding is concerned I don’t see any issues whatsoever.
royce
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A lot of projects get overbuilt because of materials available to the builder, nothing wrong with it.
I would not think twice about doing what this builder did, good clean work.
Also, there is no way I would one pass the welds.
Stringer, hot pass, fill, cap and if you don't understand that, you should not be welding on any vessel.
Having seen a few hydro tests go south through the years and the dangers involved, I like to use barrlows formula as a last ditch double check of the test spec.
Royce
I would not think twice about doing what this builder did, good clean work.
Also, there is no way I would one pass the welds.
Stringer, hot pass, fill, cap and if you don't understand that, you should not be welding on any vessel.
Having seen a few hydro tests go south through the years and the dangers involved, I like to use barrlows formula as a last ditch double check of the test spec.
Royce
sberry
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It isn't an issue, you can weld all day on it, all week for that matter, don't leak is don't leak. If it takes 3 passes to get that it's the guy that shouldn't be welding. It's over welded for the application, if this was for a different app where it required something else then it wouldn't be. Most air vessels are wire welded single pass with 1/3 the material.
sberry
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I was slumming and went to work for a small outfit in ship repair. They had about half a dozen guys with the flower hats and replacing some water lines, most of it schedule 40, some 30, 6 or 8 inch. The guy says, got to give you a test, I had been working next door,, but no coupons so he has a piece of pipe, says cut it and weld it back together.
So he walks away and I burn it in half with a torch, chip the slag, put a gap about 3/16 or so and burn it back together with a 5/32 6010. He comes back in about 10 mins and I am sitting there having a cig,, he says you gonna do it? I said,, done, he looks, said, how many passes, I said,, 1. Ha
So he walks away and I burn it in half with a torch, chip the slag, put a gap about 3/16 or so and burn it back together with a 5/32 6010. He comes back in about 10 mins and I am sitting there having a cig,, he says you gonna do it? I said,, done, he looks, said, how many passes, I said,, 1. Ha
dr_clyde
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Yes, it is overkill for the application, I agree. Nobody making air tanks commercially does it this way. But you are leaving out a couple crucial details.
Commercially available wire welded pressure vessels follow a written welding procedure, and are usually welded with a robot or some other automated welding process. These are 100% inspected, tested, and stamped to meet ASME code for pressure vessels. That one pass weld is usually 100% penetration with joint prep to match.
Short arc MIG welding is NOT a pre-qualified welding process. That means the AWS has proven it to be UNRELIABLE in terms of code work. Each individual application needs to tested and proven able to meet code before they say it will work and you can start certifying welders to it.
A single pass with a wire welder in a home shop is NOT the same thing as a single pass with a wire welder in a tested, proven commercial setting. Leaks or no leaks, this is apples to oranges. One meets code and is safe, one just doesn't leak. Who knows if it would pass hydrotest or catastrophically fail at an inopportune moment.
A 3 pass TIG or stick weld on standard sch. 40 pipe is far, far easier to get to pass any sort of pressure test, and has an added layer of safety factor for something that isn't tested. GTAW and SMAW are pre-qualified, and have been proven to be RELIABLE. Plus its made from off the shelf components.
sberry
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I am always curious about experience when I get some reaction regarding quality and experience, etc. But, the view can be different. The dr is a talented guy, he is a great welder and ideally suited for the work he does. I do wonder how many contractors and jobs he had prior to the work he does now?
I have seen failed work as was eluded to by others but have also seen a lot of terible welding work well. Lots of it, enough not to make me so pretentious about it anymore and even more so the older I get.
When I was that age would have pointed it all out and figured I had a golden arm. If it all had to be perfect then the wouldn't have had sold millions of buzzers to amateurs and would have included pages of warnings.
I am not super old, 60 but would place me welding in a nuke about the time the dr was born, maybe earlier and I say what I say from some experience, passed my first 3 pass test at 19 and went to work at journeyman pay.
I have seen failed work as was eluded to by others but have also seen a lot of terible welding work well. Lots of it, enough not to make me so pretentious about it anymore and even more so the older I get.
When I was that age would have pointed it all out and figured I had a golden arm. If it all had to be perfect then the wouldn't have had sold millions of buzzers to amateurs and would have included pages of warnings.
I am not super old, 60 but would place me welding in a nuke about the time the dr was born, maybe earlier and I say what I say from some experience, passed my first 3 pass test at 19 and went to work at journeyman pay.
sberry
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This could be welded 1 pass buzz box 6011 and last till the pipe rusted thru, there seems to be a thought that since it can be done better that it needs to be or that it will make a difference. Due to the thickness and nature of the design it's the reason I didn't start gushing when it was first posted,, simple weld would be suffecient regardless of complete penetration.
Be totally different at 10x the pressure or steam or hazzardous, gas etc. Where defects are magnified but this load is routinely carried in vessels 2x the diameter with steel and welds 1/3 of this.
Be totally different at 10x the pressure or steam or hazzardous, gas etc. Where defects are magnified but this load is routinely carried in vessels 2x the diameter with steel and welds 1/3 of this.
sberry
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There is nothing wrong with this job, it's way better than it needs to be. Millions of people live a few ft from millions of lp tanks holding 500 or 1000 gallons of explosive gas, 10 gage, welded by chimps running a machine most don't even understand. They just open a tank plant here, got high schoolers at best running a machine with few minutes of instruction by slipshod manegement at best
Live next to it without second thought, many decades old,, the along comes an air tank and everyone comes unglued and now everyone ever struck an arc becomes a pressure vessel expert
Live next to it without second thought, many decades old,, the along comes an air tank and everyone comes unglued and now everyone ever struck an arc becomes a pressure vessel expert
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OP
z-edition 006
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sberry
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That sander looks nice. I don't have one, my neighbor out bid me on one at a sale, it is a handy little thing, so easy to take a fuzz or edge off.
OP
z-edition 006
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Thanks. I build it a while ago. Here is the build tread:
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=423394
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dr_clyde
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Dude. You should know better. You worked as a pipefitter. There is a reason the codes exist. It's to keep people from getting hurt.
Pressure vessels shouldn't be welded at home with a single pass with a MIG welder.
It's not about this specific tank. OP did exactly as he should have. Made it correctly. But you telling people that it is 3x overdone, and a single pass from a MIG machine is enough is just plain WRONG. Some ***** is going to read that and think he can take his 200 class mig and go into the air compressor repair business and get him or someone else very hurt. You have to be a really good welder to do MIG work on critical things. You have to do it by the book. Its very, very easy to get it wrong.
My age or experience isn't really relevant, as I'm not the one doing the work. I do know the right way though, and your way ain't it.
Would it work if you just buzzed a weld in there quick and never gave it a second thought? Probably. Like you say, lots of bad welds out there doing fine. But its not about that. Some weld jobs need to be done right. Compressed gas tanks are one of them.
Why is it always about shortcuts and speed with you? 99% of the people here don't care how quick it goes, they just want it done right.
Pressure vessels shouldn't be welded at home with a single pass with a MIG welder.
It's not about this specific tank. OP did exactly as he should have. Made it correctly. But you telling people that it is 3x overdone, and a single pass from a MIG machine is enough is just plain WRONG. Some ***** is going to read that and think he can take his 200 class mig and go into the air compressor repair business and get him or someone else very hurt. You have to be a really good welder to do MIG work on critical things. You have to do it by the book. Its very, very easy to get it wrong.
My age or experience isn't really relevant, as I'm not the one doing the work. I do know the right way though, and your way ain't it.
Would it work if you just buzzed a weld in there quick and never gave it a second thought? Probably. Like you say, lots of bad welds out there doing fine. But its not about that. Some weld jobs need to be done right. Compressed gas tanks are one of them.
Why is it always about shortcuts and speed with you? 99% of the people here don't care how quick it goes, they just want it done right.
sberry
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No,, I am not missing anything. I have actually been in a couple of these places vs just reading about them. When they get a leak they send it to the guy who puts a noodle on it with a mig welder but,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, this isn't a certified vessel. It isn't a factory. If anyone saw the factory they might not be quite as impressed. I can get a pic of propane shells sitting out in the rain. Rusted before being assembled. Yes they are using spray on a machine.
This is a home hand built, it doesn't need to do anything but not leak. It isn't going to grenade if it did. This would work half welded. It could work with any of the processes. Would work from anyone that could manage to get it welded without a leak. Wouldn't pass hi inspection in a critical app but this isn't one.
This is a home hand built, it doesn't need to do anything but not leak. It isn't going to grenade if it did. This would work half welded. It could work with any of the processes. Would work from anyone that could manage to get it welded without a leak. Wouldn't pass hi inspection in a critical app but this isn't one.
dr_clyde
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All I’m saying is there is a right way and a wrong way to do things. Don’t recommend the wrong way because you can sometimes get away with it.
99% of the time it’s fine. It’s that 1% that really *****.
99% of the time it’s fine. It’s that 1% that really *****.
sberry
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I am not telling anyone that they should weld it up single pass mig, what I said is that it can be done. The world doesn't revolve around tig and fancy clamps, flat benches when in reality the majority of the worlds work isn't done that way. I an not advocating anyone go in to business with the mig repairing tanks but this is typical how these go, stretched in to something it isn't.
Yes, I worked as a pipe welder, been a career welder for 40 years and seen most ways it can be done. Have welded lots of 150# pipe sched 30 single pass in both stick and wire and quite a bit of 400# 2 pass, most of it buried without test.
I have also seen guys working on pipe aint got no business with a welder and not sure how they passed or who took their test for them. Seen some do side work and wouldn't hold shelled corn.
Yes, I worked as a pipe welder, been a career welder for 40 years and seen most ways it can be done. Have welded lots of 150# pipe sched 30 single pass in both stick and wire and quite a bit of 400# 2 pass, most of it buried without test.
I have also seen guys working on pipe aint got no business with a welder and not sure how they passed or who took their test for them. Seen some do side work and wouldn't hold shelled corn.
sberry
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I didn't recommend it. I said it can be done. I said here it would have got wire welded if it was my own project due to the fact its not a hobby and I aint gonna fuk with it.
Only time I about blew myself up with something like this is when I was a kid, built a pressure pot which I condemned after I charged it up, never did use it, good thing and it want due to actual welding but terrible design and absolutely wrong materials. Still scares me some to think about it.
Only time I about blew myself up with something like this is when I was a kid, built a pressure pot which I condemned after I charged it up, never did use it, good thing and it want due to actual welding but terrible design and absolutely wrong materials. Still scares me some to think about it.
dr_clyde
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You seem unwilling to admit that compressed air tanks can be hazardous if welded incorrectly. That’s all I’m after. This isn’t the same as brackets for your hot rod or fixing your lawn mower.
You can pick on me or my shop, my way of doing things all you want. I run a profitable business making things my way. I don’t need your approval.
I just want to make it very, very clear to anyone reading. Compressed gas can be very dangerous. You have to know what you’re doing if you decide to make your own pressure vessels.
sberry
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I can actually answer this. Because its about being accurate to some extent and getting what matters correct. No point in just throwing cash at some things that will be passed over once the puddle cools. In the same respect preaching about the merits of a fancy bench or expensive clamps leads the impressionable to believe its **** they got to have to get anything done. The avg guy doesnt have work for this stronghand thing on the cover page here and we see guys gushing over stuff they soon wont have work for. If I can do without it chances are they can too especially for one off. Totally different in production where custom saves money and even then lots of that is simple built jig for the job.
Even the owners manuals to air comps and old welders refer to this. Too small a comp and it doesn't work, too big and its a waste of resources. I see a couple benches here, great if they are a hobby but a couple the builders saved and scrape to buy steel for, they have young families, they are trying to build and they see an idea they impressed with that looks a lot better than it will work and the guy will never gain a lick fr4om it. Some good guidance and mentor would have suggested something way more economical and practical that worked better.
sberry
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I am not disagreeing with that at all. I am not seeking your approval, I am not picking on your shop. You would not get an argument from me that you are not talented or the very best at what you do. You are a bonafide expert. Some of the ideas are good for some of these guys, there are times I don't comment when the guy says I want this plate, I want it, doesnt care what it cost etc but when it comes to a value decision, it it worth it to the general fabricator or hobby garage then I got an opinion. Get stuff they will use, get practical machines etc,,, and I came to this conclusion from some experience, watching others do it, seeing what gets piles on or on the shelf in avg garages.
It usually isn't that they don't have good enough but enough in general. 3 11R vice gribs worth 1 fits a hole in the bench for most people. So many small business are patheticallh short of common hand tools. They don't need the Snap truck stopping,,,, they need to go to the flea of HF and get a couple pipe wrenches, adjustable, screwdrivers and some spare bolts.
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sberry
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This reminds me of the 5x10 plate. Guy cant even lift it, had to have a wrecker drop in in the yard, cant cut it if he needed to, doesnt have the knowhow to do anything with it but gets lots of cheers,,, you go girl. My money says it sits there this time next year. I can be wrong,,, that is for sure but have been around th3e block to see this before.
Guy right across the state from you now wishes he could take a big platten back to the sale he got it from and trade it for something he can use. Got caught up a little in the excitement,,, but he is experienced and now changes his mind.
I am all about buying tools, I been down this road, bought some I shouldn't have, didnt buy some I should have way earlier and may have made some substantial difference. Most put off getting things they actually need, this I am all for.
Part of the reason I didnt jump on the wagon with this air tank at first was that it was substantial, could tell from the drawing,, could tell from here before he even posted a weld that all this want going to be an issue for this project. The reason I talk about other tanks was to compare the materials and get a grip.
Weld 065 alum with a spoolgun and 210 that works on 150#, 4 and 6 inch, this is 375 steel.
I can tig, I don't do it enough to be any good but do have "shortcuts" and "speed" to make this a few minute job vs an all week hobby.
Guy right across the state from you now wishes he could take a big platten back to the sale he got it from and trade it for something he can use. Got caught up a little in the excitement,,, but he is experienced and now changes his mind.
I am all about buying tools, I been down this road, bought some I shouldn't have, didnt buy some I should have way earlier and may have made some substantial difference. Most put off getting things they actually need, this I am all for.
Part of the reason I didnt jump on the wagon with this air tank at first was that it was substantial, could tell from the drawing,, could tell from here before he even posted a weld that all this want going to be an issue for this project. The reason I talk about other tanks was to compare the materials and get a grip.
Weld 065 alum with a spoolgun and 210 that works on 150#, 4 and 6 inch, this is 375 steel.
I can tig, I don't do it enough to be any good but do have "shortcuts" and "speed" to make this a few minute job vs an all week hobby.
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1Garageman
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I just subscribed to your YouTube channel!! Very nice.
sberry
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The modern market for used is so much more fluid than it used to be making some overkill more affordable. I bought a lot more new back in the day than I might now. I also bought the "best" of a lot of stuff, some of it worked out ok, some I look back on and now have and understand alternatives that would have worked just fine and been so much less painful to acquire which is "worth" a lot to get something done.
I have come to appreciate the words sufficient, adequate a lot more and tend to size more in line with standards and copy what the old timers did before I invent my own standards or speculate about the demand. More willing to do something twice if by chance it doesnt work out vs trying to future proof for absolutely everything and found that often when the future gets here the plans have changed anyway.
No one even considered there would be advanced wireless when I buried my first wire, heck at that time so much was still overhead, both phone and power.
This is a bit of the perspective I try to bring to this forum,,, to tell Johny with the massive new 2 car shop that across it isn't a long run and stick with the 12 wire instead of upgrading it to 10 cause he is going to be a blaze of work.
I have come to appreciate the words sufficient, adequate a lot more and tend to size more in line with standards and copy what the old timers did before I invent my own standards or speculate about the demand. More willing to do something twice if by chance it doesnt work out vs trying to future proof for absolutely everything and found that often when the future gets here the plans have changed anyway.
No one even considered there would be advanced wireless when I buried my first wire, heck at that time so much was still overhead, both phone and power.
This is a bit of the perspective I try to bring to this forum,,, to tell Johny with the massive new 2 car shop that across it isn't a long run and stick with the 12 wire instead of upgrading it to 10 cause he is going to be a blaze of work.
sberry
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Certain themes re occur with this, air line size, cord and welder wire size. Its not going to hurt and for most its not a deal breaker but what "I did" as the dr pointed out is not accurate and in some cases not correct, in some cases operator dependant etc.
With sizing accurate according to demand, its the demand and not the source that determines load. Not every part of the system needs to be able to supply anything but the part of the demand.
I pick on benches a bit. Especially for the new guy asking about it. I worked actively in the trades for 15 yrs. I drank my way out of a career I never really went back to but to this day I am thankful for a lot of job shop and contractor experience, all the way from the top where I started but to the bottom where I compulsively job hopped. I did that in even more organized work as it could be defined as apprenticeship.
Ironwork is the best for a young guy and some old ones.
Point of it all, if we want to argue how much we like the bench that point in undeniable if we give merits to the usefulness of some features and the duty cycle for the avg guy it runs out way before 1/2 plate mainly cause I found a niche for the few unique needs. I was wondering if dr had an Ironworker, its another tool I should have bought early on still don't have but the time and place for buying a new one is gone and design my way out of work.
I enjoyed using the KO plate from a main breaker panel cover to make some nail plates on the job with battery drill and bulldog snip. A pair of lefty Bulldog style would be cool. They will cut electric panel. I don't have a big die I should but I can cut a really neat hole with snips fast especially from 1.5 to 2.
With sizing accurate according to demand, its the demand and not the source that determines load. Not every part of the system needs to be able to supply anything but the part of the demand.
I pick on benches a bit. Especially for the new guy asking about it. I worked actively in the trades for 15 yrs. I drank my way out of a career I never really went back to but to this day I am thankful for a lot of job shop and contractor experience, all the way from the top where I started but to the bottom where I compulsively job hopped. I did that in even more organized work as it could be defined as apprenticeship.
Ironwork is the best for a young guy and some old ones.
Point of it all, if we want to argue how much we like the bench that point in undeniable if we give merits to the usefulness of some features and the duty cycle for the avg guy it runs out way before 1/2 plate mainly cause I found a niche for the few unique needs. I was wondering if dr had an Ironworker, its another tool I should have bought early on still don't have but the time and place for buying a new one is gone and design my way out of work.
I enjoyed using the KO plate from a main breaker panel cover to make some nail plates on the job with battery drill and bulldog snip. A pair of lefty Bulldog style would be cool. They will cut electric panel. I don't have a big die I should but I can cut a really neat hole with snips fast especially from 1.5 to 2.
dr_clyde
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I do have an iron worker, but I don’t use it much. It’s handy for certain jobs but it’s too crude for most of my work.
With laser cutting so cheap I can have a finished part cut same day or next day for less than I can buy the metal for.
With laser cutting so cheap I can have a finished part cut same day or next day for less than I can buy the metal for.
sberry
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I keep losing track. Whats it worth? When is it worth it? I use a pressure washer, a wire welder, chop saw, grinder a lot, battery drill Sawzall a plasma and some torch. Simple bench, a place to anvil if I need it, place to clamp in the edge and a vise out of the way. If a guy has space an island bench but get a good fundmental plan and start with a plate and 2 full sticks of angle, 3/3 or so and lighter for a shelf if wanted to save a couple bucks etc. Frame all straight cuts etc. Could fab a customer good bench basic in half a day and do it with a buzzer and a torch good enough as to not notice. I would attatch any custom work later as its on its feet and being used. Could do it in 20 pieces ready to tack wheels on or bolt to the floor.
Cause I didnt have a flat workbench,,, I am obviously working from a couple sawhorses and limited tools. The features change, the bench should be able to be moved in to, could even start with saw horse, better than on the floor, its a tool can be used to build itself , can do it without a single 45 degree cut no one will even notice after its used. I would keep bolting welding cutting and drilling to it as I went along, paint some flat spots if I wanted. Most of the features I va;lue about it today were not the **** I planned in all that well but a couple holes and slots for custom stuff I do on occasion. Of all things golf cart tires etc. I don't got to set 6000# on it and not much on every bracket or attatchment and can punch hole with small bit in angle for light bolt at any time.
Most places needed a bench remodel or make over vs some ultimate creation, again first is more is better. This advice is to the guy questioning a heart wrenching decision about his first ultimate bench in his home/hobby shop. Get the need first, then build to suit, put some paint on it. Many yards are cut just fine with a 100$ disposable mower, maybe 200$.
I try not to let the fact I have a 5000$ pressure washer cloud the need for one for most people. It could if the interest in depreciation might be a factor,,, ok,,, but lots of people content with 300$ ones and that's right for them if they ask.
So,,, the issue is,,, when we ask whats the best 7 inch grinder for a 75 yr old hobby guy is different than is this monster for him. Sure its a nice tool, yes the Snapon is better and yes the 252 is better than a 211 but to tell the truth that in the end a 211 is something I might wanna have anyway.
The world of hobbies, maintenance, need is so different than money making custom its worth noting the economy easy way vs tossing cash at a lot of grand ideas.
Cause I didnt have a flat workbench,,, I am obviously working from a couple sawhorses and limited tools. The features change, the bench should be able to be moved in to, could even start with saw horse, better than on the floor, its a tool can be used to build itself , can do it without a single 45 degree cut no one will even notice after its used. I would keep bolting welding cutting and drilling to it as I went along, paint some flat spots if I wanted. Most of the features I va;lue about it today were not the **** I planned in all that well but a couple holes and slots for custom stuff I do on occasion. Of all things golf cart tires etc. I don't got to set 6000# on it and not much on every bracket or attatchment and can punch hole with small bit in angle for light bolt at any time.
Most places needed a bench remodel or make over vs some ultimate creation, again first is more is better. This advice is to the guy questioning a heart wrenching decision about his first ultimate bench in his home/hobby shop. Get the need first, then build to suit, put some paint on it. Many yards are cut just fine with a 100$ disposable mower, maybe 200$.
I try not to let the fact I have a 5000$ pressure washer cloud the need for one for most people. It could if the interest in depreciation might be a factor,,, ok,,, but lots of people content with 300$ ones and that's right for them if they ask.
So,,, the issue is,,, when we ask whats the best 7 inch grinder for a 75 yr old hobby guy is different than is this monster for him. Sure its a nice tool, yes the Snapon is better and yes the 252 is better than a 211 but to tell the truth that in the end a 211 is something I might wanna have anyway.
The world of hobbies, maintenance, need is so different than money making custom its worth noting the economy easy way vs tossing cash at a lot of grand ideas.
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Hondafreak08
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i welded .750x.035 wall 6061 tubing. We pnuematically tested them at 240psi.
This is overkill..
hes fine
This is overkill..
hes fine
sberry
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So,,, back to traveling around the slums. Some of the most memorable are not the craft of the tools but despite it. Some such masters of the crafts they had the least needed to do it. Sign and art guys. Some real lamp cord and paint types. Auto body is another craft like that.
I got every wrench they make that I need, my fascination is more with the ulitimar capability and economy of the channelock, the 9 pliers, a couple screwdrivers and a hammer like so many real unpretentious masters I have seen. My master bud held a licence orver 50 years still uses the 1/2 pipe he put in way back then and a number 10 cable for the welding circuit.
Has unplugged the buzz box and hooked a 180 mig on it.
Ask a question like, I wanna be a heavy fab shop and hang my shingle out as a tigger on lease property where I am going to be the best then a different answer than one to Joe Just Retired, I am on the fence,,, whats should I do?
Welding is kind of an ulterior motive for me. It usually involves something I want or a problem. Its good to read when that's the case, used in pursuiant to a hobby. Some people a grand is a lot of money and some 5 is not so much. I had a hard time buying some not best. Cost me a lot in cameras, ha.
Started down that road in welders and turns out the cheapest about the most profitable in some sense considering the cheap cost and long life. This perspective and experience turns in to value added advice vs a wish list for favorite tools. Its a good thing to know that a guy can get a set of serviceable wrenches from a discount store for 25$, if I need a set of wrenches today will take that vs one quality one from a truck and not such a risk that a guy cant come back and buy a better tool iffn he finds he really needs it.
Contrary to popular belief next,,,, cutting with the circ saw on 100 ft of 16 cord for the brave.
I got every wrench they make that I need, my fascination is more with the ulitimar capability and economy of the channelock, the 9 pliers, a couple screwdrivers and a hammer like so many real unpretentious masters I have seen. My master bud held a licence orver 50 years still uses the 1/2 pipe he put in way back then and a number 10 cable for the welding circuit.
Has unplugged the buzz box and hooked a 180 mig on it.
Ask a question like, I wanna be a heavy fab shop and hang my shingle out as a tigger on lease property where I am going to be the best then a different answer than one to Joe Just Retired, I am on the fence,,, whats should I do?
Welding is kind of an ulterior motive for me. It usually involves something I want or a problem. Its good to read when that's the case, used in pursuiant to a hobby. Some people a grand is a lot of money and some 5 is not so much. I had a hard time buying some not best. Cost me a lot in cameras, ha.
Started down that road in welders and turns out the cheapest about the most profitable in some sense considering the cheap cost and long life. This perspective and experience turns in to value added advice vs a wish list for favorite tools. Its a good thing to know that a guy can get a set of serviceable wrenches from a discount store for 25$, if I need a set of wrenches today will take that vs one quality one from a truck and not such a risk that a guy cant come back and buy a better tool iffn he finds he really needs it.
Contrary to popular belief next,,,, cutting with the circ saw on 100 ft of 16 cord for the brave.
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Great airtanks. Will last well into the 26. century. Well done and professionally.
Too bad so many U.S. forums have become unbearable; any and all discussion is drowned by the safety nannies. I wonder how these people get out of bed in the morning or how they get anything done -- and indeed what happened to the land of the free, home of the brave?
Perfectionism and overblown regard for safety, or should we say downright FEAR, is the perfect recipe to stifle creativity and enjoyment of projects.
Too bad so many U.S. forums have become unbearable; any and all discussion is drowned by the safety nannies. I wonder how these people get out of bed in the morning or how they get anything done -- and indeed what happened to the land of the free, home of the brave?
Perfectionism and overblown regard for safety, or should we say downright FEAR, is the perfect recipe to stifle creativity and enjoyment of projects.
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sberry
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My original point was that it safety is so insured by extra material it makes most the rest of it irrelevent.
sberry
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Of course I am about speed and economy,,,, most anyone can do it if they throw enough time and money at it. Part of the art is the speed.