DO they even make these?

[tvtaurus]

Next year I am going to be starting some aviation maintenance classes, and have subsequently collecting some of the tools that I don't already have from working on cars. One of the things that has been puzzling me is on my required tool list it lists that I need 12pt 3/16"-1 1/8" sockets in 3/8 drive. As far as I can tell no one makes these sockets sizes in 3/8" drive: 3/16", 7/32", 1 1/16", and 1 1/18". Obviously I can get the larger sockets in 1/2" drive and just use an adapter; and i can use an adapter for my 1/4" drive sockets as well. Even though wiha tools sells some of the odd 32nds drive sockets, they don't even sell anything smaller than 1/4". If any of you guys know where i could find these sockets in standard and deep well that would be great. Please include part numbers. Additionally according to this chart they don't exist.

http://sizes.com/tools/socket_wrenches.htm

http://sizes.com/tools/socket_wrenches.htm

 

[PCMusicGuy]

You if you have to have those socket sizes and you still want to use a 3/8" drive, I would recommend using an adapter.

 

[RECox286]

You should be able to get those odd sizes off the truck.

Get a full set of adapters while you are at it, and a set

of extensions up to 24" if you don't already.

Uncle Bob

 

[firebox40dash5]

I got nothing on either end of those... Matco and Snap On both don't go that low or high in 3/8, and I'm not seeing anything from Sunex either. Those would have been my best guesses for oddball **** like that.

 

[tvtaurus]

Thanks guys, that was exactly what I was finding doing my research for tools. I couldn't even find these sockets in 6 point.

 

[22george]

I've been in aviation over 30 years. I have never seen those small sockets in a 3/8 drive set - only 1/4 inch drive. Anything that small doesn't need to be torqued tight enough to use 3/8 drive set. With those small sizes a 1/4 inch drive set will work just fine.

 

[tvtaurus]

22george, if that is the line of work that you are in I have another question for you. Another item on my tool list from school is some sort of 20ish inch tool carrier. Basically I'm going to need something a little along the lines of an line bag/box as they call it to carry a ton of tools back and forth from the airport. Do you have any recommendations? What do you use?

I've been looking at these:
https://www.toolbeltstore.com/tool-carrier/703-Large+Zip+Up+Tool+Carrier#.VHPBBovF8f2

http://www.craftsman.com/craftsman-...p-00965427000P?prdNo=1&blockNo=1&blockType=G1

I have always used a tool bag working on cars, but honestly prefer the way my home tool box is laid out with everything having it's place rather than digging through a tool bag.

 

[tlpatter]

Just recently got my a&p. If you are getting a student discount get a set of sae angle wrenches from snap on and a set of their 1/4 drive universal sockets. I'd also recommend a a 1/4 drive speed handle, a ratcheting adapter, a bit adapter to go on the adapter, and apex bits. Make removing panels a lot faster when there's 60 screws holding it on.

 

[tyndall]

I hate it when schools make "required" anything and then don't bother to proofread the list or even see if the stuff exists.

For sockets get all the sizes to fill 1/4" and 3/8" Hanson trays and 1" to 1-1/2" shallow 1/2" drive. Get a set of good 1/4" universal sockets and whatever cheap 3/8" universals you can find. Extensions from 2" to 12". Adapters for 1/4 to 3/8, 3/8 to 1/4, 3/8 to 1/2 and 1/2 to 3/8. A basic hex bit set. A set of crows feet (not flare style), like the Kobalt set, and you're done. This will cover 99% of what you'll ever need.

Get a 3/8" speed handle, not the 1/4" one. You can apply more pressure without it flexing.

Get whatever metal toolbox is cheaper. The schools want a 20" box probably because their shelves are 20" deep and it stops students from taking up too much storage space. A bag isn't very secure when your tools are nicer than the clown from the other class.

Don't worry about finding the perfect box until you know where you will end up working. In a hangar you want a nice roll cab. Line maintenance you want whatever is the lightest weight. Snap-on makes a beautiful plastic box similar to the metal craftsman, but at 33 lbs empty it's totally useless.

 

[Cypherian]

Hey,

As Aircraft Structural Repair for 23 years all of the above info is good including the use a 3/8 Speed handle instead of a 1/4 and always always make sure your apex's are in good shape stripped screws will make you and or your machinist a very unhappy camper. Moreover, and this will start an argument but I have seen it happen repaired the panels after it happened and I had it happen to me so take it for what it's worth. Metal box does not leave the concrete unless your in hanger status with full stands. Use it to hold every thing and make sure you get a cart for it and extraneous air hoses etc see about a small vice on the lid too after you plate it . Now get a tool bag water proof bottom and heavy duty zippers etc go to the local army navy they will have them in 2 sizes. You put what tools you need in them and carry them on to or in the plane. I bet they will make you foam them and make a TIL too ( Tool Inventory List) store a copy at home and in the box etch all your tools with in reason. If you carry a metal box up a plane stairs and they are wet and you slip want to see the scar in my elbow from that? (Hugged the Box so it would not hit me in the head from the top of the C5 Crew Ladder) :} .Even a small box with anti skid on the bottom to prevent it will still slide if there is oil, joap, soap, fuel, hydro etc it slides off the fuselage hits the wing. Umm you can figure out the out come Comm/Nav was not happy nor their E-9 Branch chief both of those gentlemen on the plane got to find out exactly how expensive an wheel well upper blow out panel is (35K ish).The panel was damaged beyond repair limits ( Alum honey comb sandwich construction ) they got 2 weeks extra duty and lor's also instead of paying. You slide a metal tool box along the fuselage or wing yeah unless it is carpeted lol it will scratch surface paint, sealant or composite materials. Watched it Bubble Chaser was not happy to have to help pull the panels repair and paint and reinstall nor with the LOR. See a common theme here :} Oh as for adapters yes but never use them or an extension on a torque wrench with out doing the math for it.
If you need aircraft specific tools give me a few hours I will pull up the excel sheet I had for all out suppliers boxes,foam,carts etc the works.

Cypher

 

[Cypherian]

Well Here You go.

http://www.mscdirect.com/
http://www.grainger.com/
http://www.fastenal.com/web/home
http://www.a1manifolds.com/default.aspx
http://www.grithappens.com/
http://advancedairtool.com/
http://www.innovativetooling.com/
http://www.ampcosafetytools.com/index.htm
http://www.anver.com/index.html
http://www.honeywellanalytics.com/en
http://www.browntool.com/
http://aerotech.aero/service.htm
http://www.panamericantool.com/
http://www.toolbarn.com/
http://www.cooperindustries.com/content/public/en.html
http://fsirivet.com/
http://www.hardwarestore.com/adjustable-spring-clamp-664247.aspx
http://www.gagebilt.com/
http://www.gen-aircraft-hardware.com/amelia/addToCart.asp
http://www.justritemfg.com/
http://www.magnavon.com/
http://www.uline.com/cls_15/Tubes?pricode=wg225
http://www.techni-tool.com/
http://omegatec.com/
https://www.bigdogwarehouse.com/index.php?p=home
http://www.shotpeener.com/index.php
http://www.mfasco.com/
http://www.yardstore.com/
http://www.ustool.com/index.php?osCsid=nreejje8cd40bi3q85qv1d9vm6
http://www.air-vac-eng.com/index.html
http://www.usatco.com/CGI-BIN/LANSAWEB?PROCFUN+WORDPR01+WEBFUNC+M37
http://www.zephyrtool.com/
http://www.mpja.com/Heat-Shrink-Tubing/products/477/
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/
http://www.skygeek.com/
http://www.skybolt.com/
www.snapon.com
http://www.browntool.com/Default.aspx?tabid=344&CategoryID=282&Level=a&ProductID=1719 you can make one of these but … there is an old man in Arkansas or Alabama that was air force and when he got out he patented it …
http://www.aircraft-tool.com/shop/main.aspx
Get you a semco scrape tool or three and use them putty knife BAD ju ju on alum panels.

Well this should get you started if you need more I have to go find another document for some real specialty stuff composite tools etc..

Cypher

 

[binder man]

Williams makes a.1 1/8 3/8 drive..there handy occasionally

 

[devoncoolman]

Snap-on doesn't even make those sizes in 3/8 drive. Good luck finding them.

 

[bluebolt]

When you get your speed handle get one with a comfort knob like a Craftsman 3/8" drive 4427 (used only) or a Snap On F4BLK (new or used). The big knob allows more pressure for removing stubborn screws on panels.

 

[theoldwizard1]

What is with the speed handle ? Aren't battery impacts allowed on aircraft ?

 

[sam.coll]

Depends on the company/orginisation but usually not allowed electric tools around aircraft as may have open fuel tanks, air yes. Keep a small jar of valve lap compound nearby when de-paneling.

 

[tvtaurus]

Thanks everyone, you have no idea how helpful you've been.

 

[Cypherian]

Hey ,

As was said yes battery drills and such are allowed in some areas not in others. Add to that you would need a couple of batteries depending on the size of the panel. Think ohh 300 plus Hi Torque screws (Think Coin Slot) you will kill a battery quickly not to mention if your bit is worn you had best be really good with a screw chisel, easy out , lathe bit, J bar or Impact tool for your rivet gun. Hence the other very secret information given !! Keep a small container of valve lapping compound around..Sam Coll has no one very told you never to give away all the trade secrets :} By the way you could use paint compounding paste and jewelers rouge in brick form.

http://omegatec.com/hi-torque-bit-3a.aspx Hi Torque Bit
http://www.geneb.org/images/screw-top.jpg Fastner
http://www.autotoolworld.com/product.asp?itemid=129544&gclid=COuoh9-qlsICFcFr7AodUhEAdA Johnson Bar
http://www.browntool.com/Default.aspx?tabid=344&ProductID=96 Air Impact
As for a screw chisel I can take a picture of mine if you like we made our own.
Using a 3/8's Lathe bit and a chunk of alum rod.
Instead of carrying 4 or 5 sizes of easy outs most of us ... had a F.O.D bag in our pocket that had a 3/8's lathe bit ground on four sides to a point. Works a lot better and if you happen to snap it you do not need a double cut carbide rotary file or a 4 fluted easy out drill bit.

Ohh the many other things carried in that F.O bag anyone here remember double bubble ..:}

Cypher

 

[T45]

"Old Man" Screw Knocker/Remover Size: 8"

Someone please explain this !!

 

[22george]

Cypherian, bluebolt tyndal and sam.cole are right on the money.


Screw knockers are designed to be used in your rivet gun to remove stubborn screws without skin damage. We just called them woodpeckers

 

[Airframer]

Hey ,

Ohh the many other things carried in that F.O bag anyone here remember double bubble ..:}

Cypher

I had a box of that stuff. Super handy at home.

 

[Cypherian]

Cypherian, bluebolt tyndal and sam.cole are right on the money.


Screw knockers are designed to be used in your rivet gun to remove stubborn screws without skin damage. We just called them woodpeckers

This you put them in a rivet gun and you eased on the trigger as you manually controlled the rotation it is essentially the same as rapping sharply between the lugs of an axle while trying to get the brake drum off. In this case since you control the rotation there is not much chance of stripping the screw or bolt. Have you ever seen an impact driver for removing bolts that you strike with a hammer? Same principles at work just a lot easier Another gratuitous tip if you happen to break a drill bit in thick metal and you can position it so the drill bit can drop out use a med tomlarge mushroom rivet set around the hole. The rapid vibrations will loosen the bit as they cause it to turn counter clockwise and fall out. Try it some time put a bolt in a vice with a but threaded on and rattle the vise watch the nut move. rember the face size of the set is the deciding factor in how much rattle you get smaller you get a lot of force small area so be careful.

cypher

cypher

 

[Cypherian]

I had a box of that stuff. Super handy at home.

Lol at home on clicking hi shears or spinning Jo bolts

What Airframes ?

Cypherian

 

[Airframer]

Was C-2's, now I'm in quality for mostly narrow bodies.

 

[Cypherian]

Was C-2's, now I'm in quality for mostly narrow bodies.

Was USAF RF4c's, F 15,16,C5 along with some temp duties C130, AC130 and even a few Squidy frames F14, A6E and Marine F18s though those were in the Sand Box First Edition lol BTW Navy an Marine pilots are just as highly educated common sense stupid as our Air Force ones were! Lol yeah hot pit a F14 and forget to mention you have a hang fire Phoenix Missile wtf !! Lol

Cypher

 

[theoldwizard1]

Years ago I had a buddy in the Air Force Reserves. He was a aircraft engine mechanic. I recall him mentioning undoing 100s of Allen head screws on engine shrouds with hand tools !